Ranger/LE???

[cleopatra]

Nov 22, 2018 0:40:10 GMT cleopatra said:

POSSIBLY A TROOPER?

I suspect the CPK was a trooper and that he did not ABDUCT these victims on or around the Colonial Parkway.  He abducted them from somewhere else, then brought them to and killed on or near the Colonial Parkway.  As a trooper he would have known the murders would not have fallen under the jurisdiction of the State police, but instead they would have been investigated by the National Park Service's Special Investigators/Rangers.  He also knew the cars would be found right away when a ranger began his route patrol, then towed.  Towing would destroy/contaminate evidence.  For those two reasons, he may have specifically left the vehicles on or near the Colonial Parkway. The CPK didn't want State troopers to investigate the crimes because they may have noticed something that would point to another trooper, and he may have believed the ranger's had a lesser chance of solving the cases.  Evidence would have been in possession of the Feds/rangers.  State police investigators would not have access to any of it.  The CPK did not want state police/investigators or any local LE to poke through the evidence.

Also, as a State trooper, the CPK would have been able to pull up the driver's registrations, where he could ascertain that his target was a 20 year old Caucasian male.  He may have begun pulling up plates after he abducted and killed his first victims (Cathy & Becky), who he may have thought was a traditional couple when he found them.  He then realized guessing did not work.  As a trooper he would have known the whereabouts of other patrolmen at the exact times he abducted the victims, murdered them, parked their vehicles.  At legal holiday weekends, police departments utilized all their officers to create check points and to be on the busiest roads where there were the most accidents in the past.  A trooper would have known where those check points and roads were.   

RANGER?  

Then again, the killer may have brrn a ranger and placed the bodies on National property so that he would have access to the investigatiion and evidence.  

[cleopatra]

When found the below article, this name [David Oxley] sounded familiar so I looked through my notes and found that David Oxley also performed the autopsy of Karen Noble in Bluefield in 1978.  

I wonder if he did the autopsies of any of the other CP victims.  I'm not 100% certain of this, so I need to look back at what I have or re-look at this medical examiner, but if I am not mistake he served in the military before becoming a pathologist.   He may be deceased.  I will look and post what I found.

- The victim named in the below article was a Virginia Tech student. She disappeared while in a National Park.  Her body was found in Giles County by hunters.  1978 Bluefield victims were murdered in Giles County.
- Daniel Laurer and Annamaria Phelps were found by hunters.
- The double murder of Heidi Childs and her 20 Y.O. boyfriend were student's at Virginia Tech and their murder took place 2 days after Virginia Tech. classes started. In a National Park. 
- Williams & Mary College just closed for a break the day Cathy & Becky went missing.  They were found National Park property.
- Sandra Hailey and Keith Call were last seen alive on the Christopher Newport University campus on a three day weekend.  The car was found on National Park property.
- James Sherrin and Deborah Ferguson presumably parked at Deborah's dorm at Virginia Commonwealth University right before disappearing. Her keys were not found, but the doors were unlocked.



     >>>>>>> COLLEGE/UNIVERSITY CAMPUS X 5 >>>>>> NATIONAL PARK SERVICE x 4 >>>>>> GILES COUNTY x 2 <<<<<< HUNTERS X 2  <<<<<<<<

[cleopatra]

If it was the CPK who murdered Jeff Scott and Karen Noble in Bluefield and became a trooper, ranger or other type of LE afterward, between the time of the 1978 Bluefield murder and the 1986 murder of Cathleen Thomas and Rebecca Dowski he would have studied criminology.  He would have learned what investigators look for in crime scenes.  As a ranger he would have learned that crimes occurring on National property are investigated by rangers, so perhaps he intentionally left the vehicles on National grounds.  If he were a ranger, he would have had access to the investigations.  He could keep track of what evidence is found.  

He may have used the knowledge he acquired from criminology classes and his LE job to make it difficult or even impossible for detectives to solve his murders and to identify him . 

Those may have been the reasons he,

- committed his murders in different locations, away from where he left the vehicles - no crime scenes to collect evidence or look for clues,

- took his victims to locations away from where he left the vehicles,

- left the clothes folded inside cars - so they wouldn't be found in another place and give investigators another area to poke around and work with another stop he would have made,

- attacked when it rained - so the evidence would get wash away,

- sometimes altered his MO - so his crimes wouldn't be linked,

- left the vehicles out in the open on a patrol route with keys in ignitions or on front seats, and doors open.  Rangers would consider the vehicles abandoned and arrange to have them towed - towing would contaminate evidence on interiors and exteriors of the vehicles.

Like Trabuco always says, "you go out the door with what you got...."   with that, thisv killer went out the door knowing how to move around in the woods in the dark, shoot a gun, cut flesh with a knife, control two people at the same time, bind people's hands, move heavy bodies, get around and in and out of the Colonial Parkway, find his way around a lot of parts of Virginia. There was no GPS. I'm  sure he didn't waste any of his precious crime time constantly unfolding and looking on a map to find his way around. 

He may have deliberately attacked far away from his residence and his workplace, but he must have been very familiar with the areas  and neighborhoods nearby his CRIMES.    AND.......

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F r E a K..........   who needs to be locked up in a small cage!



His victims are missing yet another Christmas because of his evil acts!   🕛 🕛🕛🕛  tick tock tick tock...

CPK,  they're on their way! Say bye to pup - your time is up... the cuffs, I say...are on their way 🚔🚔🚔🚔🚔🚔🚔🚔🚔🚔

[cleopatra]

Job description of the LE who report to the office locations listed below:  www.dgif.virginia.gov/conservation-police/recruiting/#duties

Note:  the main office is located in Henrico.

[cleopatra]

Dec 10, 2018 7:26:36 GMT cleopatra said:

Job description of the LE who report to the office locations listed below:  www.dgif.virginia.gov/conservation-police/recruiting/#duties

Note:  the main office is located in Henrico.

These game wardens/conservation officers drive trucks and 4x4s with towing equipment.  They have the ability and license to tow vehicles and boats.

[cleopatra]

[cleopatra]

he game & fisheries wardens (now called Conservation Officers) didn't work on legal holidays:

[cleopatra]

[cleopatra]

Game Wardens drive 4x4 patrol vehicles with equipped for towing large vehicles and boats, and that are capable of hauling/carrying dirt bikes and motorcycles.  There's as page on their website where one can search for regional office locations.  The areas near CP murders fell under the jurisdiction of Henrico's office.  Henrico is the location of the headquarters. 

These officers are trained/educated in criminal investigative techniques, they are required to carry rope, flashlights, knives, guns, rifles, tranquilizer guns of which some are loaded with Demerol, they are trained to fight, carry heavy-large-odd shaped objects, licensed to drive boats and motorbikes, they are very familiar with the forests, woods and rivers they patrol, they sometimes patrol several different areas, and they are off on legal holidays.  They also patrol the turkey hunting grounds during turkey hunting season, so they are familiar with off-road trails where turkey hunters go (Lauder-Philips).


www.dgif.virginia.gov/conservation-police/

[billthom56]

Nov 26, 2018 19:32:33 GMT (AQ) said:

Nov 26, 2018 17:41:09 GMT trabuco said:

At the time of the CPM's who was the Va. State Trooper teaching, advising the public of measures to take that would keep them safe?

I'm not implicating or pointing a finger at this trooper. I am just curious who he was.

Interesting question, Trabuco.

The little I know, it wasn't so much of anyone giving the public safety information as much as they downplayed what was going on as they didn't want to 'tarnish' the reputation of the Parkway.  

They did not like to make the crimes appear to be linked nor that they had few/no leads in the cases.

Trabuco and AQ:

Our recollection was that law enforcement mostly played down the connection between all of the unsolved murders in the Tidewater area around the time of the Colonial Parkway Murders.

At the same time, law enforcement officers were privately telling their family members to never pull over for a cop in an isolated area, especially on the Colonial Parkway.

Thanks.

Bill Thomas

[cleopatra]

Excepts from Trout/Fisherman Thread:

Oct 21, 2018 at 8:24am darkjedi said:


Long-time lurker on this forum. I've been interested in this case for some time, and one possibility has occurred to me, and I'm not sure how much it's been looked into. I apologize if I state a point that has already been made elsewhere, or if I get something wrong.



I'm wondering whether it's possible that CPK was a trout fisherman, and did not use a car at all. The general consensus seems to be that if CPK wasn't LE himself, he was imitating LE, which makes sense. I know that LE impersonators tend to get caught pretty quickly, but I wonder if it's easier to get caught impersonating if you're driving a car and traveling down roads. IF CPK traveled by boat at night, and walked through the woods to find couples alone, while wearing a cop uniform, it seems that the risk of getting caught for impersonation of an officer is minimal. By the time the couples could have realized he didn't have a car with him, it may have been too late.



It seems there are other reasons to suspect he was traveling by boat. As people have pointed out, the sites were close to rivers. Haley & Call appear to have been brought into the river. He had nylon rope and diesel with him. My understanding is that there's evidence he drove some of the victims' cars. Moreover, September/October is the start of when it's more feasible to catch trout. It could be that as soon as he started traveling up there by boat for the season, he would start patrolling the area at night to find couples.



This is total speculation, but I thought I'd throw it out there.



Dec 13, 2018 at 4:20pm cleopara said:

darkjedi,



I like all your theories and reasonings. Especially the ones about a boat, the water/rivers, trout season and arriving at the victims on foot. The foot theory particularly was something I considered. I previously speculated that the killer brought the cars/victims to predetermined spots where he may have had a boat, which he could jump into and take off. It seems the killer PLANNED his crimes. If so, he could have thought out his getaway carefully. He obviously made certain not to ever get caught. The Parkway had only two ways out, on each end. If he didn't want to chance anyone seeing him driving out, maybe he decided to sail away on a motorboat. There are no homes or businesses where he would have taken off from. No one would have heard the motor or have seen him sail away. I thought of him possibly sailing off on a boat with Keith's and Sandra's bodies when I read that dogs tracked their scents 70 yards out into the water. However, I did consider how the dogs circled back from the Indian Creek under the CP overpass to where Keith's car was parked. The dogs may have been following the scent of Keith's car, not of Keith himself, when the killer drove or towed it to where it was parked.



Recently, I've personally come to believe the victims were not approached by the CPK in the Parkway. I believe they were abducted someplace else then brought to another location where they were killed, moved to yet another location where they were left, then their cars were driven or towed to the Parkway and left so they'd be found right away by a ranger or trooper patrolling his route first thing in the morning.



In fact, for those reasons, I further speculate that the CPK had criminology training. Such training in evidence collection made him aware of the importance to investigators when solving crimes, of:



- crime scene locations - thus, he made it impossible for investigators to poke around at the murder scenes,



- clothing ON the bodies because he removed clothes (or made the victims remove them),



- immediate areas where clothes or other personal belongings are found - left clothing in the cars so they couldn't ever be found in a place that would give investigators a place where they could poke around,


- routes/paths taken by criminal - with clothes not left somewhere to be found, it's another less clue as to paths he took between bodies and vehicles AND by making it impossible to know the actual location of where the victims had been abducted, investigators were unable to track the paths he took,


- evidence preservation - attacked when it rained so evidence would be washed away,



- personal property/belongings of victims in their possession at the time of their murders - left vehicles in manners and places a ranger or trooper would determine they should be towed - towing would contaminate evidence in the interiors and exteriors of the vehicles.



In addition to the above, as LE he would have,



- chosen to attack on legal holiday weekends -  would have been aware that troopers would be stationed at busy roads and highways, and at DUI checkpoints,



- been confident there would be no LE patrolling wherever he was committing his criminal acts - he would had had a radio with police channels.



All these those things are too many to be mere coincidences for a killer to have done and by pure luck on his part just happened to be things that would make it difficult for investigators to solve his crimes and to apprehend him. IMO, there was no luck here. These were purposeful acts done in order to avoid detection. Things that someone with evidence collection knowledge had.



Cleo

[cleopatra]

DAVID KNOBLING:  DEPUTY JOE WILLARD FOUND TRUCK.

DAVID & ROBIN:   RANGER JOHN SEAGER, FIRST ON SCENE AT BEACH.

CATHY & BECKY:   RANGER JIM REDFORD, RANGER BYRD EWELL, CLYDE YEE - FIRST ON SCENE.

DANIEL LAUDER:   BILL LITTREAL, CHIEF DETECTIVE. DANIEL PLOTT, DISTRICT 5 OFFICER AT SCENE OF BODIES IN NEW KENT COUNTY.

KEITH CALLS CAR:  UNKNOWN NAME OF TROOPER WHO FOUND KEITH'S CAR.

Does anyone know the name of the trooper who found Keith's car?  I believe the name used in the A Different Kind of Evil is not the trooper's real name.

1995 interview below link:  scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/VA-Pilot/issues/1995/vp950426/04250125.htm
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Wednesday, April 26, 1995
ISLE OF WIGHT CITIZEN 

DEPUTY JOEY WILLARD: MAN OF THE WEE HOURS


For many clerks working the late shift in convenience stores, Sheriff's Deputy Joey Willard is the man of the hour - man of the wee hours, that is.

Willard patrols the midnight shift and is constantly stopping to check on clerks who work through the night at local stores.

``Most of the clerks know me well because they have a lot of gas drive-offs, and I get called on that,'' he says.

Also, Willard has been in law enforcement since his high school days.

``One day, while I was working as a dispatcher at the Smithfield Police Department, the police chief came in and said, `Come with me.'

``The next thing I knew I was being sworn in as a police officer. And that's how I started my career.''

Although Willard has worked in law enforcement for 16 years, he's worked at the Isle of Wight County Sheriff's Department only nine.

And when he's not protecting, he's driving a truck - hauling logs to Suffolk, Wakefield and the surrounding areas.

Name: Joseph M. Willard

What brought you to Isle of Wight? My family

Hometown: Richmond

Birthdate: Sept. 24, 1957

Occupation: Sheriff's deputy and truck driver

Marital status: Married

Children: David, 10, and Joshua, 7

Favorite movies: Old classics

Favorite magazine: Field and Stream

A book you wish everyone would read, and why? The Bible, so people will see how good things could be if they just lived by it.

Favorite night out on the town: Friday night with my family at Ryan's

Favorite bar or restaurant: Captain George's

Favorite food and drink: Tea and lobster

Few people know . . . that I like to cook.

What's the best thing about yourself? I stay out of other people's business, and I'm a good friend.

Worst habit: Saying, ``I heard that.''

First thing in the morning: Drink a diet Coke and spend a few minutes with the family before going to work.

Pets: A dog, a cat and a bird

Hobbies: Fishing and yard work

Ideal vacation: A week fishing with my family, and no phones

Pet peeve: Being late for appointments

First job: Newspaper carrier

Worst job: Never had one.

Of what achievements are you most proud? My two boys

What would you like as your epitaph? ``It's finally over.'' ILLUSTRATION: Staff photo by MICHAEL KESTNER

Joey Willard






                          

    

[cleopatra]

EAR CASE - Important Clues Disregarded

Many years ago, there were important clues pointing to the EAR being a cop that were not taken seriously.

For instance, one victim told detectives she heard a police radio outside her window while she was waiting for help.  Detectives didn't think she really heard a police radio since there were no officers anywhere around her house until the detectives arrived.

In another crime, a neighbor said she saw a policeman in the victim's backyard earlier in the evening.  That wasn't looked into either.

In yet another crime, a woman looked outside her bedroom window and she saw a large purple or blue car that looked like it could have been a police car driving off fast from her neighbor's driveway.  The woman's neighbor had just been raped.  Shortly after, a bunch of police cars arrived. 

Now that we know the EAR was a policeman, we know those witness statement were accurate.

CPK CASE - Important Clues

VAN

Learning from the above, I believe it's important to consider Keith Call's brother's statement regarding what he saw on the Colonial Parkway the night Keith and Sandra disappeared.  Chris Call said he was driving home on Colonial Parkway at 3:30 A.M..  He passed a car that looked just like Keith's car.  Suddenly, a van driving at a high rate of speed appeared behind him on the road.  It took him by surprise.  All at once, the van made a U-turn and drove back to where the car that looked like Keith's was parked.  That happened around 3:30AM.  At 7AM, 4 1/2 hours later, Keith's dad found Keith's car parked at that EXACT same spot.  It's hard to believe that another red Toyota happened to be parked in the EXACT same spot at 3:30 A.M. where Keith's red Toyota was found 4 1/2 hours later at 7AM by Keith's father.

I believe it was Keith's car that Chris saw. I believe there was a van.  I believe the driver of the van had something to do with Keith's and Sandra's disappearance. 

CLOTHES

7 A.M. Keith's father stops at Keith's car.
- driver's door slightly ajar
- no keys
- no purse or bra on front seat
- no clothes seen anywhere in car
- no sign of son's wallet
- 3 cans of Busch beer on top of a gray coat in the back

9 A.M. Trooper finds car.
- door wide open
- key in ignition
- purse (no wallet) and bra on front seat
- clothes neatly folded on back seat
- Keith's gold watch & eyeglasses on dashboard
- Keith's wallet on back seat
- only 1 can of beer in back
- no gray coat

NOTE:  It's been said that the trooper or troopers admitted to removing the clothing then returning them to the car after he/they found out the couple was reported missing.  Does this mean the trooper found the car BEFORE 7AM, before Mr. Call saw no clothes in it?  Then, troopers went back at 9AM to return the items?  I've read that the troopers found Keith's car at 9AM.  I've never read that a trooper found the car PRIOR TO 7AM, then at 7AM Keith's father found the car, then at 9AM troopers found Keith's car.

If Keith's dad saw no clothing in the car at 7AM, it would mean a trooper removed the clothing from the car prior to 7AM.  If that were the case, why didn't the trooper leave a NOTICE/WARNING tag on the car that it would be towed in "XXX number of days? That would have been standard procedure. Removing two beer cans and never returning them was not standard procedure.  And, why did the trooper leave the door open (slightly ajar) before he left with the clothes?  Could the trooper have gone back to the station before 7AM to call the owner of the car and found out from Mrs. Call that her son was missing. After which, the trooper immediately headed back to the car to return the items.  Yet, the trooper first thought the owner went skinny dipping in the freezing cold weather. In which case, why did the trooper take away the clothes and car keys? What did the trooper expect the driver to wear when he got back to his car and how would the driver get home without his car key?

OTHER

- drivers were all white males, owned the vehicles, and were all 20 or approx. 20 years old.
- pairs together in car; 1 male, 1 female. No other person.
- weekends 
- 3 Day Holidays (usually)
- midnight
- rain
- females were not wearing their shoes
- near I64
- near rivers/water

[cleopatra]

He could have been using two boats - a small FAST MOTOR BOAT and a JET SKI.



The CPK planned his murders. He was organized. He knew where to find his targets. He intended to abduct and kill on a weekend, preferably a legal holiday, after 11:30 P.M. He brought along his murder weapons (gun, knife, rope). He did the same thing with all the vehicles, so that was most likely well thought-out. He most likely planned his escape method and route. More than anything, he didn't want to get caught. He did not want to risk being seen in his personal or work vehicle anywhere near the abduction sites or car drop-off sites. The river would be the way to avoid being seen.



He could have tugged/towed a second boat or a ski jet with another boat. He could have lodged the ski jet or smaller faster boat near where he would later park his victim's vehicles. That may have been one reason he chose the Parkway, Wildlife Rescue, Indian River Bridge, Cheatham Annex. He could have left one of the boats there earlier, then sailed to a place near where he could find his victims, lodged his boat, walked to a restaurant, convenience store, Christopher Newport University, where he waited for victims. If he were marine patrol, State police river patrol, or game warden, he could have used his job boats and he could have called in plates to get vehicle owner names and ages. He could have been inside or at the cars of the victims when they came back to their cars and abducted them there. He could have been waiting for them inside their cars in the backseats. Then, taken them somewhere to kill them, driven them to the Parkway nearby where he lodged his small boat or jet ski earlier, parked their cars, walked down to his motorboat, and sailed off back to where he parked his other boat, near where he stalked couples. Then, hitched his getaway jet ski to that boat, and left with both boats.



If he were familiar with the rivers, sails would have been straight shots and easy. He could have gotten from one point to the next fairly quickly.

[cleopatra]