Questions and new info regarding the Harrington's
Apr 1, 2019 0:04:25 GMT
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Post by Agent99 aka Sandia on Apr 1, 2019 0:04:25 GMT
The Harrington murders:
A full bag of groceries left on the counter!
Questions:
1) What time were the groceries purchased from the Alpha Beta Market. (UPDATE: Poster Wonky furnished below info that they were purchased late in the evening)
2) Who purchased the groceries, Keith or Patty? (UPDATE: Poster Wonky furnished info that Patty wrote 3 checks that evening so it was no doubt her, but whether she was alone or with Keith is unknown)
3) Was Patty at home and being attacked when Keith arrived with the groceries? (UPDATE: So now we know this is not the case.)
4) Were the victims attacked while awake before they could put the groceries away?
5) They were newlyweds, did Keith immediately pull his bride into a bedroom and is that why they were left on the counter?
6) Were there items that needed to be frozen or refrigerated in the bags? That is important! to know to be able to try to figure out some of these questions.
Question: The door was unlocked door, no forced entry. Why? Because they felt they were safe in their gated community? or were they attacked before bedtime and lock-up time?
Ligatures removed but left at scene!
(I just noticed this little bit of info after re-listening to something. Previously it's been stated that the killer was learning as he went, removing ligatures after the Smith murders. However he left ligatures here?)
AND.....
He was inside the home of other neighbors in the neighborhood, I'll call them Couple #1!
Can anyone tell me if you have heard the following account, where you heard it and tell me. I know I heard it. I took notes and now cannot find the program to re-listen to it. (UPDATE: Poster Almagata to the rescue as usual, has furnished the link to listen so I will correct a few things below now that I have been able to re-listen.)
Late at night Couple #1 was in their bedroom when their dog started growling in the other room. The wife told her husband to get up and go look. The husband said, “Honey, we live in a gated community.” So the wife got up. The dog was in the entry hall looking into the darkened step down living room and growling. The wife saw nothing because it was so dark, she looked to the other side and saw the sliding door to the back yard open. (The lock was already broken.) The wife turned around and went back into the bedroom.
Thank God she didn’t turn on the light or go into the living room. From her bedroom, she looked out the window and saw a man, a shadowy figure, walking out of their side yard to the front of the house and down the street towards the Harringtons.
My thought is that this couple #1 escaped death because DeAngelo didn’t know if she was retrieving a gun, he didn't know if she was alerting her husband, he lost the element of surprising a sleeping couple
QUESTION: How does this fit with the timeline of the Harrington murders? And what about the groceries? Something doesn't seem to fit. (UPDATE: This incident took place a week before the Harrington's were murdered.)
Additionally, a bike from their neighborhood had been stolen and was found in front of a cheao motel in San Juan Capistrano
about 5 miles/10 minutes away.
A bloody glove was found roughly near Taxco and DeSoto. This would be a little out of the way if going to Capistrano. (Did he take the bike to a waiting car and deposit the bike in Capistrano as a red herring?)
One of the step uncles of DeAngelo, R. G. Bosanko, lived in Capistrano. This uncle and his brother, the other step uncle of DeAngelo owned condos very close to and right in between Janelle Cruz and Manuela Witthuhn.
Margaret Wardlow by this time had moved from Sacramento and she has stated publicly that she lived only a few blocks away from the Harrington's, just outside the gated community on Street of the Blue Lantern.
Question: Did he know this? Is this why he was in the area? Was he actually after Margaret, couldn't find her so went into the gated community? (FBI Profiler Mary Ellen O'Toole believes Margaret got away with defying him, but that he probably would have killed her if he had attacked her a couple of years later. She believes DeAngelo probably was bothered and angry about that. Did he attack nearby to scare her? Was this a coincidence?)
Question: Was he was looking for any victim in the neighborhood, or had he followed Patty to the gate, couldn’t follow her in and was searching for her?
Was couple #1 the chosen target and then he came across the Harrington's?
Again, can anyone tell me where Couple #1 and the stolen bike are mentioned in one of the programs about the Golden State Killer. I recall seeing it clearly but am having trouble finding it. (UPDATE: Thank you Almagata for the link)
(UPDATE: So mainly the info that has been updated is that this happened a week before AND the description the wife in couple #1 furnished. She couldn't get a look at his face but he was wearing dark clothing and had dirty blond, stringy hair. This sounds like the sketch from San Ramon 8/8/79....the stringy dirty-blond hair. Sounds like he was wearing the same wig.
A full bag of groceries left on the counter!
Questions:
1) What time were the groceries purchased from the Alpha Beta Market. (UPDATE: Poster Wonky furnished below info that they were purchased late in the evening)
2) Who purchased the groceries, Keith or Patty? (UPDATE: Poster Wonky furnished info that Patty wrote 3 checks that evening so it was no doubt her, but whether she was alone or with Keith is unknown)
3) Was Patty at home and being attacked when Keith arrived with the groceries? (UPDATE: So now we know this is not the case.)
4) Were the victims attacked while awake before they could put the groceries away?
5) They were newlyweds, did Keith immediately pull his bride into a bedroom and is that why they were left on the counter?
6) Were there items that needed to be frozen or refrigerated in the bags? That is important! to know to be able to try to figure out some of these questions.
Question: The door was unlocked door, no forced entry. Why? Because they felt they were safe in their gated community? or were they attacked before bedtime and lock-up time?
Ligatures removed but left at scene!
(I just noticed this little bit of info after re-listening to something. Previously it's been stated that the killer was learning as he went, removing ligatures after the Smith murders. However he left ligatures here?)
AND.....
He was inside the home of other neighbors in the neighborhood, I'll call them Couple #1!
Can anyone tell me if you have heard the following account, where you heard it and tell me. I know I heard it. I took notes and now cannot find the program to re-listen to it. (UPDATE: Poster Almagata to the rescue as usual, has furnished the link to listen so I will correct a few things below now that I have been able to re-listen.)
Late at night Couple #1 was in their bedroom when their dog started growling in the other room. The wife told her husband to get up and go look. The husband said, “Honey, we live in a gated community.” So the wife got up. The dog was in the entry hall looking into the darkened step down living room and growling. The wife saw nothing because it was so dark, she looked to the other side and saw the sliding door to the back yard open. (The lock was already broken.) The wife turned around and went back into the bedroom.
Thank God she didn’t turn on the light or go into the living room. From her bedroom, she looked out the window and saw a man, a shadowy figure, walking out of their side yard to the front of the house and down the street towards the Harringtons.
My thought is that this couple #1 escaped death because DeAngelo didn’t know if she was retrieving a gun, he didn't know if she was alerting her husband, he lost the element of surprising a sleeping couple
QUESTION: How does this fit with the timeline of the Harrington murders? And what about the groceries? Something doesn't seem to fit. (UPDATE: This incident took place a week before the Harrington's were murdered.)
Additionally, a bike from their neighborhood had been stolen and was found in front of a cheao motel in San Juan Capistrano
about 5 miles/10 minutes away.
A bloody glove was found roughly near Taxco and DeSoto. This would be a little out of the way if going to Capistrano. (Did he take the bike to a waiting car and deposit the bike in Capistrano as a red herring?)
One of the step uncles of DeAngelo, R. G. Bosanko, lived in Capistrano. This uncle and his brother, the other step uncle of DeAngelo owned condos very close to and right in between Janelle Cruz and Manuela Witthuhn.
Margaret Wardlow by this time had moved from Sacramento and she has stated publicly that she lived only a few blocks away from the Harrington's, just outside the gated community on Street of the Blue Lantern.
Question: Did he know this? Is this why he was in the area? Was he actually after Margaret, couldn't find her so went into the gated community? (FBI Profiler Mary Ellen O'Toole believes Margaret got away with defying him, but that he probably would have killed her if he had attacked her a couple of years later. She believes DeAngelo probably was bothered and angry about that. Did he attack nearby to scare her? Was this a coincidence?)
Question: Was he was looking for any victim in the neighborhood, or had he followed Patty to the gate, couldn’t follow her in and was searching for her?
Was couple #1 the chosen target and then he came across the Harrington's?
Again, can anyone tell me where Couple #1 and the stolen bike are mentioned in one of the programs about the Golden State Killer. I recall seeing it clearly but am having trouble finding it. (UPDATE: Thank you Almagata for the link)
(UPDATE: So mainly the info that has been updated is that this happened a week before AND the description the wife in couple #1 furnished. She couldn't get a look at his face but he was wearing dark clothing and had dirty blond, stringy hair. This sounds like the sketch from San Ramon 8/8/79....the stringy dirty-blond hair. Sounds like he was wearing the same wig.