Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2019 22:19:55 GMT
Nov 16, 2019 18:01:58 GMT @wesley said:
Nov 12, 2019 4:04:27 GMT @wonkybob said:
I haven't made a new thread in over 8 months. So this is not something that hasn't been thought out. Please don't listen to the blurry "Wonky is a stalker and sock puppet" stuff from Red. I'm just some dude looking for justice. If I had sock puppets and was a troll don't you think I would have had a new thread/topic in the last 8 months? No. I'm a man of restraint.
Here we go:
JJD was Zodiac.
I implore you all to really look at the timeline. I implore you all... . Anyone... anywhere to debunk this. Anyone please take a hard look at any research that's been done in the last 2 years. With JJD'S military record, that's your starting point. With his educational record, that is your other basline. Debunk him. I'd love for you to. Eliminate it.
We know the only real crimes DeAngelo committed at this point outside of the obvious was the hardware store incident and ticket scamming. That's the only stuff his family and friends would have HAD to have known about. Of course this also does not include the attempted kidnapping of Bonnie, though keep in mind we're digging at facts above everything else now. I have no doubts he was the EAR and therefore the VR and ONS, but take a look at things practically from the start of JJD, not the above or the under. Just him, where he was and what he has done in his life as the individual he was as a free man.
We know that DeAngelo is currently awaiting trial for the murders of 13 individuals, which are directly connected to the VR, EAR and ONS part of the saga. This is Claude, Brian, Katie, Robert, Alexandria, Lyman, Charlene, Keith, Patrice, Manuela, Cheri, Greg and Janelle.
We know he was arrested for two Ventura murders, Lyman and Charlene. Those two, connected by DNA, also connects to Keith, Patrice, Manuela, Janelle, Cheri and Greg. Without the further involvement of DNA but not excluding him due to the stronger circumstantial evidence, leaves out Snelling, Brian, Katie, Robert and Alexandria. Even in Greg and Cheri's case where rape did not occur, his DNA was present so they counted to that degree for the prosecution.
Now diverging from what DNA tells us we also know that due to circumstantial evidence including his geography, he qualifies for the VR crime series, Brian, Katie, Robert, Alexandria and Snelling murders almost perfectly in the same vein Mr Y was so attractive as a suspect. DeAngelo physically fit these crimes far better than anyone else we've ever looked into. We also have strong suspicion he was the Cordova Cat Burglar and possibly even the Early Bird/Morning rapist, due solely to geographical and the least explicit of circumstantial evidence. This of course is barely supported but it's far stronger evidence than that of DeAngelo being the Zodiac murderer.
What we know about Z is that commonly known DNA related factors includes the stamp lick and bloody fingerprint. We're not even sure of his actual number of murders, letters sent or actual activity. These elements are likely forefront to stronger evidence we'll never know until more information is available, which is nowhere near enough to place DeAngelo anywhere near the crimes. Keep in mind, I've never been to California or for that matter have studied the geography of the Z crimes to any memorable extent that points to collision between the Z and DeAngelo crimes. However I am of the opinion that if DeAngelo's DNA had been connected at this point, it would have become general knowledge because this would have helped EVERYONE involved to the point of changing court regulation which it is already challenging on a massively scientific level. LE would have no card to play should ANY whistle-blower decide to unveil an alleged cover up, which would make it fairly redundant to withhold such information.
What we KNOW about DeAngelo in the era of Z is that around 1964, he had enlisted before beginning his tour of duty for 22 months before landing himself in college around 68. This is something I feel needs to be explored more than his home land living arrangements, as the information regarding the timing of his deployment is extremely vague. Did he immediately deploy and return at various times, or was it a straight 22-month stretch? Did this take place at the beginning of 64, landing him back by 66, or did he await deployment or was his deployment actually a split cause by the end of the tenure in 67-68? Without this information it's impossible to guess where he was and what he was going about doing in his life, aside from the accident where his finger was snapped off. That alone adds more questions as to where he was, was he active and what the hell was actually going on with him at that time.
We know from various sources DeAngelo was deployed on the USS ships Canberra and Piedmont. Had DeAngelo boarded the Piedmont, that would have placed him in Vietnam between June and July of 1970, as that had been the ship's final deployment, far later than initially speculated regarding deployment. Regardless it puts him there in that era if he was in fact about that ship during the Vietnam war. This also would have blocked him from being physically present the United States between June 29, until July 8, in 1970. It was a short tour, while the USS Canberra had longer and more sporadic deployments throughout the late 60's during the Vietnam war, including stints between 1965-1966, as well as 1966-1967. Between October 1967 to April 1968, the Canberra had become reclassified as a heavy battleship. In October of 1969 she returned to San Francisco to begin decomissioning.
The major question is where does DeAngelo fit into the narrative of these ships activity during the Vietnam war? If you can provide me with specifics on that, I'll tolerate the idea he was at the least socially available in the US to commit the crimes attributed to Z, though quite possibly minus the Lake Herman Road attack. As I said, without mention of his movements during Vietnam there is not much to go on outside of the fact that the Piedmont was deployed at a very specific time during the war.
Aside from all of the military history involved with DeAngelo, Z or California, you're still not placing him in the places Z offended and forcing the opinion outright to fit the outcome. It's your word, or speculation, against variables that are just not fitting whatsoever. I WISH he was the zodiac just so we'd have answers, but there is simply not enough to go on let alone speculate at this time because believe it or not, there was more than two psychopaths operating in California between 67-69 that fit his profile far better. The crimes DeAngelo is being tried for are strictly sexual and physical in nature, whereas the Z was cunning from afar, more garnered to capturing public attention versus DeAngelo's dominating. Even with what we know about DeAngelo outside of the EARONS saga is that his need for possession outweighed his desire for public attention, something he obviously longed to prevent.
I really hope this sets up a better discussion regarding DeAngelo's movements in the late sixties, because I simply want to know these things. However, I cannot support your claim without this information or better reasoning than 'he was available'. Sorry
I'm not "forcing" any opinion as you say.
I'm looking for someone to make a side by side timeline. We have JJD military and school record and exact dates for Z crimes. I'm just looking for someone to compare them and try to rule him out.
I haven't seen a side by side comparison to date. And while capable, I'm too lazy to do it myself. The thread was asking about comparing the JJD Z timelines. Not about where he was in the 80's.