Post by Any of N on Oct 14, 2017 3:44:29 GMT
jackydee said:
Another drop is the ocean of oddities. How is it that the greatest writer of English in his day was one of the few with "small Latin and less Greek"? I suppose it's also a minor mystery that his parents were illiterate (or barely literate). Or that his daughters were illiterate while his leading female characters were typically highly literate. Or that a commoner businessman who wrote for the public stage and who sued over a £6 debt didn't self-promote. Or that he didn't raise a ruckus when his sonnets were stolen and published.
Non sequiturs are legion. Consider the curse on his gravestone at Holy Trinity Church at Stratford-upon-Avon. Don't you think that something a little more... artful... would end up as Shakespeare's final epitaph? (Comparison lifted from Ogburn.)
Cursed be he that moves my bones?
It's been about a decade since I stopped following the controversy closely. Going back to it again has me reflecting on the intractability of the standard view. All the facts have been around for a very long time. This debate, it seems to me, is all about the interpretation of the evidence. In science generally a new set of experiments will be conducted. In many areas of history a new set of records will be unearthed. In short, there will be new findings to spur new thinking. In Shakespeare Studies the standard view has long set in, and I don't know what the impetuous might be that could trigger a major change in outlook.
By way of comparison, back in the 1990's there was a contrarian view circulating that HIV did not cause AIDS. It had an intriguing argument, but new research put the kibosh on the debate. Sorry, Peter Duesberg, HIV really is the culprit. (Part of the deal was the finding that some people possess immunity due to an absent protein receptor.) On the other hand, in the very early part of that decade, there was a contrarian view circulating that AIDS would not explode into the heterosexual, non-IV drug using population. The contrarians were compared to Holocaust deniers. Then a new CDC report came out that refuted the earlier models. (The disease, it turned out, was more demographically and geographically stratified than formerly believed.) In both cases, new data made the difference.
With Shakespeare, what we have is what we have. When I read the arguments, pro and con, I am impressed with the best parts of the anti-stradfordian view. Not everyone will agree. I accept that and think I understand the reasons. (Reasonable people will disagree. I think is comes down to a different set of mental thresholds for judging the evidence.) I personally will consider all sorts of unconventional theories on just about any topic, but I typically come out on the conventional side. This mystery, though, I think is exceptional, and I've tried to convey why.
This is a fun and challenging debate, but I think I need a break. I will give you the final word for now.
Can you tell me of any other Elizabethan writer who did not know Latin? Im sure those non Latin educated writers were very, very few and far between in Elizabethan England. Just as Latin & Greek were considered basic education, everything about classic Greece and Rome was venerated. Modern Italy & France were loved and hated in almost equal measure. Writers having intimate knowledge of continental Europe culture was widespread.
Non sequiturs are legion. Consider the curse on his gravestone at Holy Trinity Church at Stratford-upon-Avon. Don't you think that something a little more... artful... would end up as Shakespeare's final epitaph? (Comparison lifted from Ogburn.)
Doggerel on Shakespeare's headstone at Holy Trinity Church: Good friend for Jesus sake forbeare, To dig the dust enclosed here. Blessed be the man that spares these stones, And cursed be he that moves my bones | Example of Shakespeare's virtuosity (from Richard II) This royal throne of kings, this sceptred isle, This earth of majesty, this seat of Mars, This other Eden, demi-paradise, This fortress built by Nature for herself Against infection and the hand of war, This happy breed of men, this little world, This precious stone set in the silver sea, Which serves it in the office of a wall Or as a moat defensive to a house, Against the envy of less happier lands,-- This blessed plot, this earth, this realm, this England. |
Cursed be he that moves my bones?
It's been about a decade since I stopped following the controversy closely. Going back to it again has me reflecting on the intractability of the standard view. All the facts have been around for a very long time. This debate, it seems to me, is all about the interpretation of the evidence. In science generally a new set of experiments will be conducted. In many areas of history a new set of records will be unearthed. In short, there will be new findings to spur new thinking. In Shakespeare Studies the standard view has long set in, and I don't know what the impetuous might be that could trigger a major change in outlook.
By way of comparison, back in the 1990's there was a contrarian view circulating that HIV did not cause AIDS. It had an intriguing argument, but new research put the kibosh on the debate. Sorry, Peter Duesberg, HIV really is the culprit. (Part of the deal was the finding that some people possess immunity due to an absent protein receptor.) On the other hand, in the very early part of that decade, there was a contrarian view circulating that AIDS would not explode into the heterosexual, non-IV drug using population. The contrarians were compared to Holocaust deniers. Then a new CDC report came out that refuted the earlier models. (The disease, it turned out, was more demographically and geographically stratified than formerly believed.) In both cases, new data made the difference.
With Shakespeare, what we have is what we have. When I read the arguments, pro and con, I am impressed with the best parts of the anti-stradfordian view. Not everyone will agree. I accept that and think I understand the reasons. (Reasonable people will disagree. I think is comes down to a different set of mental thresholds for judging the evidence.) I personally will consider all sorts of unconventional theories on just about any topic, but I typically come out on the conventional side. This mystery, though, I think is exceptional, and I've tried to convey why.
This is a fun and challenging debate, but I think I need a break. I will give you the final word for now.