did he remove the gloves at Manuella Witthun's home?

[confidentialtwo]

Jun 18, 2014 2:14:02 GMT danmiami said:

Good points and yes the Glasby angle has been looked at even from the earliest posters and moderators on this board. Of course Glasby has been eliminated as ONS. Still I do believe one of his gang banging friends could in fact be him. Just too many coincidences. Firstly, Glasby was a patient of Dr Offerman. Maybe he went there as a means to get drugs and was rebuffed? He tells his buddies and perhaps one of them really takes it personally! Then there was the link of "Woofy" to Glasby. However we all have heard a lot of here say about this. Was "Woofy" Glasby's dog or was he a stray dog from the area? Or someone else's? The dog is a perfect cover for someone scoping out a house or neighborhood to hit. It makes perfect sense then that he used a similar method in Irvine. Man I was thrown for a loop when you told me there was evidence of a dog in Irvine as well. Then what could be inferred here 1) What does that say about the presence of a dog and the area? Does the dog indicate stability in ONS' life at the time? There was a story about a dog and a strange character in Ventura as well. Something about the Smith's neighbor being confronted by guy with an injured dog. iIs this correct? So that would make 3 locations with the lone attack in Dana Point with no dog. He didn't use a dog at all in Sacremento correct? Perhaps the opportunity presented itself once he left and thought it provided a great cover. Guy walking his dog regardless of time of day keeps people thinking less suspiciously. Then finally the Glasby murder was never fully explained. Things just very strange with that whole group. I am not even bringing up the janitor. Also he uses "Woofy" as a cover for the Offerman attack yet that same night he supposedly beat a poodle to death!!

Is this twisted or what?

To the best of my knowledge, there's no dog in Sacramento.

That dog's entire existence was a cover for ONS; it's part of his evolving strategies, I'm sure. Think about it: a loner with a dog? On the surface it looks harmless. I bet there were many women who (unknowingly) saw the ONS with the pooch and thought, "awwwww, how cute". Everyone softens when they see a beautiful dog. Plus, I can remember the last time I saw a Bull Mastiff in public, but I don't recall what the owner looked like since my attention's on the pooch.  

I know it was discussed in the other thread, but "Woofy" was probably purchased by the ONS after he moved to Goleta in 1979. Would a white german shepherd be that obedient with someone who wasn't its master? Not sure.  

[Deleted]

I think the newspaper accounts of ONS having the dog at the Witthuhn scene are a reporter error that was submitted to the A.P. and copied in at least one other newspaper. We have several people onboard with good OC LE contacts who have asked and were told there were no signs that the perp brought a dog to the Witthuhn scene and that the reporter must have gotten it confused with LE's accoúnt of a dog being with the killer at the two Goleta scenes.

[danmiami]

Thanks Privatecitizen. Confidentialtwo try to check your sources to see what you can find out. I was shocked just by the mere fact that the Irvine scenes could be linked to Goleta by him bringing the dog. Especially Woofy a three toed dog. Now he could have gotten another German Shepard but he entered Manuela's home very stealth like. A dog may have been more of a hindrance as I think he also had to clear a wall.

Again possible but so much disinformation and misrepresentation has protected this killer.

[confidentialtwo]

Jun 18, 2014 5:53:14 GMT danmiami said:

Thanks Privatecitizen. Confidentialtwo try to check your sources to see what you can find out. I was shocked just by the mere fact that the Irvine scenes could be linked to Goleta by him bringing the dog. Especially Woofy a three toed dog. Now he could have gotten another German Shepard but he entered Manuela's home very stealth like. A dog may have been more of a hindrance as I think he also had to clear a wall.

Again possible but so much disinformation and misrepresentation has protected this killer.

Sure, it's entirely possible that an error was made with the whole "Dog In Irvine" scenario. That little article I posted before (from 2000) was the only place I've read the information. 

[Drifter]

Since there have been some recent discussions and questions about Manuella Whithuhn in another thread, thought I'd go ahead and bump this thread, to let posters know that we have discussed her situation quite a bit in the last year.

Drifter

[V]

Jun 13, 2014 18:42:30 GMT danmiami said:

I don't understand why Mr Witthuhn was put under such scrutiny? After all he had one of the best alibis of them all.. a hospital bed!!! Now it could have been thought that Mr Witthuhn perhaps hired someone to kill his wife. However professional hits are never this type of MO.

I doesnt have to be a "professional." He could have just hired a friend who took the crime further than it was supposed to go.

At least that was probably LE's thought before they tied this to ONS. From a detectives POV, it is rather curious that someone would break in and murder his wife while he happened to be in the hospital. So i can understand their suspicion. They obviously were not expecting someone so unique like ONS.

[pendleton]

When detectives approach a murder they start with the victim and they tend to investigate in concentric circles with the victim in the centre. Serial killers don't seem so rare to people on this board who are so familiar with them but to LE they are rare. Most murders are committed by people in those first few rings around the victim's life. A serial killer only comes to light when detectives reach those outer rings, having exhausted all other avenues. You don't start thinking outside the box until the box is empty.

[northernjustice]

Nov 13, 2014 21:34:41 GMT pendleton said:

When detectives approach a murder they start with the victim and they tend to investigate in concentric circles with the victim in the centre. Serial killers don't seem so rare to people on this board who are so familiar with them but to LE they are rare. Most murders are committed by people in those first few rings around the victim's life. A serial killer only comes to light when detectives reach those outer rings, having exhausted all other avenues. You don't start thinking outside the box until the box is empty.

Yep, unless it can blatantly be connected to recent murders in nearby areas, or if there's a distinct, often purposeful signature placed at the scene. Even then, they're going to look at people with a connection to the victim, though.

[trabuco]

Nov 13, 2014 23:44:12 GMT northernjustice said:

Nov 13, 2014 21:34:41 GMT pendleton said:

When detectives approach a murder they start with the victim and they tend to investigate in concentric circles with the victim in the centre. Serial killers don't seem so rare to people on this board who are so familiar with them but to LE they are rare. Most murders are committed by people in those first few rings around the victim's life. A serial killer only comes to light when detectives reach those outer rings, having exhausted all other avenues. You don't start thinking outside the box until the box is empty.

Yep, unless it can blatantly be connected to recent murders in nearby areas, or if there's a distinct, often purposeful signature placed at the scene. Even then, they're going to look at people with a connection to the victim, though.

I think ONS may have been an instructor or student of law enforcement courses at a local college and also a member or volunteer of the newly formed K-9 units. Being a volunteer would give him access without accountability. "I'm just a volunteer"

[happycamper]

Jun 13, 2014 0:15:09 GMT playinem said:

I "One of the items taken from the Witthuhn home was a "crystal sphere" that has been described as "unique". It was determined not to have been used in the commission of the homicide but it sounds to me like a fairly identifiable item. Has anyone ever seen a photograph or even an artist's rendering of this item? Perhaps someone might recognize a piece like this if the killer kept it or gave it to someone.

Why isn't this item on a billboard??? It could be sitting on his freaking mantle!!!

[trabuco]

Jun 13, 2014 1:00:39 GMT portofleith said:

Playinem

I think the crystal  may have looked like this:

Port, can you post that photo, sketch or whatever it was again? I'm just seeing a box that says "Photo not found."

[portofleith]

Here you go Trabuco:

[portofleith]

Sept 8, 2016 3:53:31 GMT trabuco said:

Jun 13, 2014 1:00:39 GMT portofleith said:

Playinem

I think the crystal  may have looked like this:

[trabuco]

Sept 8, 2016 21:05:04 GMT portofleith said:

Here you go Trabuco:

Thanks Port.

[happycamper]

Sept 8, 2016 21:06:12 GMT portofleith said:

Sept 8, 2016 3:53:31 GMT trabuco said:

Thanks Port!

Do you know why LE/FBI are not using the stolen items to help find this man??? Do they not think someone may see these items and come forward to report them or him??

It's mind boggling to think the tokens hold no relevance in finding this perp😩