Robert Napper: British serial rapist and serial killer

[t]

Mar 10, 2014 8:09:33 GMT agatha said:

Mar 9, 2014 6:54:30 GMT t said:

   I couldn't agree more that Napper looks "off" as a child. And Lepke this is terrific work and helpful to the case at hand I am sure.

   My husband was seriously bi-polar (not as bad as his sister who died in an asylum after 20 years incarceration but bad enough!)

   When I first came on this board I had suggested over and over that EAR/ONS was exhibiting symptoms of mental illness.  It helps

   to have seen full blown manic psychosis -- I spent so much time in locked wards I can barely stand to think of it. One day I saw

   a man they had flown in from an asylum in the South who had been in shackles so long that the metal had grown into his flesh.

   It was explained to me that he was a "homicidal maniac" and had been incarcerated most of his life.  I felt horribly sorry for the

   guy until he glanced over at me from his wheel chair with the most bone chilling leer. Some of the worst suffering I have ever

   seen have been by these patients.  My beloved husband had a genius level IQ, MA in Philosophy from Columbia, etc. It's been

   my observation that people with these psychiatric illnesses are often very, very smart.  They are often extremely perceptive,
 
   and sensitive.  Anyway, dear Howard died of cancer a long time ago but you might as well know that eventually we found a
  
  drug (Depakote) that completely straightened him out.  I photograph the mentally ill homeless of SF (among other things).

                                                        

  

Hello t, nice to see you around more, again. Thanks for those very poignant pictures. Our treatment, or lack thereof, of the mentally ill is a black mark on this country. We should be deeply ashamed, outraged, and up in arms. In some cities in my state, heaven help you if you are a young male schizophrenic who is off your meds or just having a psychotic break. It's open season on the mentally ill as far as the cops are concerned. I don't know if it's lack of education about mental illness, lack of training in how to handle a psychotic person, lack of money to fund the extra time it would take to negotiate or defuse a situation, or just itchy trigger fingers. Whatever the reason, it's apparent that the most vulnerable members of society seem to have no value and to be disposable. It's a disgrace.

        here's something that complicates things entirely -- people intoxicated on drugs and alcohol can absolutely MIMIC the symptoms of mental illness. . .

        in every instance of chronic illness there is deep sympathy to be found. . .whereas because mental illness effects the behaviour the patient is BLAMED

        -- the inherent question being: why don't you please NOT act like that, or, an implication that it has more to do with the mentally ill person having

        character defects rather than an a horribly miswired brain for which they are not at all culpable

[agatha]

Mar 10, 2014 16:13:22 GMT t said:

Mar 10, 2014 8:09:33 GMT agatha said:

Hello t, nice to see you around more, again. Thanks for those very poignant pictures. Our treatment, or lack thereof, of the mentally ill is a black mark on this country. We should be deeply ashamed, outraged, and up in arms. In some cities in my state, heaven help you if you are a young male schizophrenic who is off your meds or just having a psychotic break. It's open season on the mentally ill as far as the cops are concerned. I don't know if it's lack of education about mental illness, lack of training in how to handle a psychotic person, lack of money to fund the extra time it would take to negotiate or defuse a situation, or just itchy trigger fingers. Whatever the reason, it's apparent that the most vulnerable members of society seem to have no value and to be disposable. It's a disgrace.

        here's something that complicates things entirely -- people intoxicated on drugs and alcohol can absolutely MIMIC the symptoms of mental illness. . .

        in every instance of chronic illness there is deep sympathy to be found. . .whereas because mental illness effects the behaviour the patient is BLAMED

        -- the inherent question being: why don't you please NOT act like that, or, an implication that it has more to do with the mentally ill person having

        character defects rather than an a horribly miswired brain for which they are not at all culpable

We haven't changed in attitude much since the Victorian era, when it was commonly believed that the poor, the disabled, the mentally ill and most other unfortunates were believed to be suffering their lot as a direct result of  God's retribution for their sins. Poverty, schizophrenia, blindness, and every other difficulty was considered divine punishment, and nothing more than they deserved. I'm concerned that we still tend to demonize those who aren't " productive" members of society.  It's a normal protective mechanism to dehumanize those who force us to face the tenuous equilibrium of our comfortable lives. If we aren't like THEM, we can't end up like THEM. Those photographs you shared force us to face that reality, t. Thank you.

[t]

Mar 11, 2014 2:17:06 GMT agatha said:

Mar 10, 2014 16:13:22 GMT t said:

        here's something that complicates things entirely -- people intoxicated on drugs and alcohol can absolutely MIMIC the symptoms of mental illness. . .

        in every instance of chronic illness there is deep sympathy to be found. . .whereas because mental illness effects the behaviour the patient is BLAMED

        -- the inherent question being: why don't you please NOT act like that, or, an implication that it has more to do with the mentally ill person having

        character defects rather than an a horribly miswired brain for which they are not at all culpable

We haven't changed in attitude much since the Victorian era, when it was commonly believed that the poor, the disabled, the mentally ill and most other unfortunates were believed to be suffering their lot as a direct result of  God's retribution for their sins. Poverty, schizophrenia, blindness, and every other difficulty was considered divine punishment, and nothing more than they deserved. I'm concerned that we still tend to demonize those who aren't " productive" members of society.  It's a normal protective mechanism to dehumanize those who force us to face the tenuous equilibrium of our comfortable lives. If we aren't like THEM, we can't end up like THEM. Those photographs you shared force us to face that reality, t. Thank you.

      Interested in your word "demonize". . .i feel certain exorcism arose as an attempt to banish the demons cauing the bizarre behaviour of the mentally ill. . .i struggle
     
      with the notion of evil. . .even EAR/ONS hell even Hitler strike me as intensely SICK. . .Glad you like the photos A. I have dozens some much more severe; and every

      day of my life i see the homeless mentally ill on the streets of SF sometimes dying in a clump on the sidewalk as the tourists walk by in their fancy cruise ship attire.

      Thought today of Adam Lanza who murdered all those kids at Sandy Hook -- another obviously weird looking kid with his flat, fugue-state stare. . . 

     
     

[agatha]

Mar 11, 2014 4:08:57 GMT t said:

Mar 11, 2014 2:17:06 GMT agatha said:

We haven't changed in attitude much since the Victorian era, when it was commonly believed that the poor, the disabled, the mentally ill and most other unfortunates were believed to be suffering their lot as a direct result of  God's retribution for their sins. Poverty, schizophrenia, blindness, and every other difficulty was considered divine punishment, and nothing more than they deserved. I'm concerned that we still tend to demonize those who aren't " productive" members of society.  It's a normal protective mechanism to dehumanize those who force us to face the tenuous equilibrium of our comfortable lives. If we aren't like THEM, we can't end up like THEM. Those photographs you shared force us to face that reality, t. Thank you.

      Interested in your word "demonize". . .i feel certain exorcism arose as an attempt to banish the demons cauing the bizarre behaviour of the mentally ill. . .i struggle
     
      with the notion of evil. . .even EAR/ONS hell even Hitler strike me as intensely SICK. . .Glad you like the photos A. I have dozens some much more severe; and every

      day of my life i see the homeless mentally ill on the streets of SF sometimes dying in a clump on the sidewalk as the tourists walk by in their fancy cruise ship attire.

      Thought today of Adam Lanza who murdered all those kids at Sandy Hook -- another obviously weird looking kid with his flat, fugue-state stare. . . 

     
     

People like Robert Napper snap us out of our complacency and force us to confront the dysfunction that is always amongst us. Like those cruise passengers, we become desensitized to the suffering of others, or we learn to blame the victim for his own misfortune. It seems too overwhelming a problem, for any one person to illicit positive change. If only we could consolidate our individual concern into collective outrage. But that would necessitate tearing one's self away from Monday Night Football and The Bachelor. 

[lepke]

This is a photo of Broadmoor Hospital, where Robert Napper has been a patient since 1995:

[lepke]

At 8pm on Tuesday 4th November 2014 on Channel 5, British viewers will be able to watch 'Britain's Worst Crimes', concerning the murder of Rachel Nickell by Robert Napper. It will also be shown on Channel 5+1 an hour later, Channel5+24 twenty four hours later, and may also be available on Demand 5, which is Channel 5's website.

[sammyt]

May 8, 2014 10:47:57 GMT lepke said:

This is a photo of Broadmoor Hospital, where Robert Napper has been a patient since 1995:

The mental hospital that was run (albeit slightly before Napper's time) by Sir Jimmy Savile, one of the UK's most prolific serial rapists.

Yes, an unqualified disc jockey (who managed to rape over 500 children without ever being arrested let alone charged, despite dozens of complaints to police) was left in charge of the UK's most secure institution and most dangerous criminals.

But of course there is no chance that a conspiracy involving law enforcement, the media, politicians and the judiciary could ever exist to protect an influential offender.

[lepke]

This isn't the Jimmy Savile thread - this is the Robert Napper thread. Just because Jimmy Savile is also associated with Broadmoor Hospital, does not make him relevant to this thread. Kindly take discussion of Jimmy Savile elsewhere, preferably to a thread dedicated to him if such a thing exists.

[sammyt]

What do you mean "if such a thing exists"?

You were the one who claimed to have read every post on the board...

I think it's relevant and of interest that the mental institution that houses Napper and the worst of the worst criminals in the UK was left in charge of an unqualified DJ who was the UK's most prolific serial rapist.

If the mods have a problem with this then of course they can move it.

I notice that you don't ever ask for posts regarding BTK or Ridgway to be moved to threads dedicated to them, and if you don't like threads being disrupted by single posts then why do you continually post irrelevant youtube links in the middle of other threads?

[lepke]

This is a photo of Robert Napper as a boy:

[lepke]

This is a photo of Samantha Bisset (mother) and Jazmine Jemima Bisset (daughter) who were murdered by Robert Napper in 1993:

[lepke]

This is a photo of Rachel Nickell with her boyfriend Andre Hanscombe and their infant son Alex. Robert Napper murdered her in front of two year old Alex in 1992:

[lepke]

This is a photo of Rachel Nickell's son Alex, with his father Andre. Alex attended the same nursery school as me, albeit several years later:

[lepke]

This is a more recent photo of Andre Hanscombe:

[lepke]

Below is a link to the programme about the murder of Rachel Nickell, that was on British television last night. I expect that it will only work for posters based in Britain, but if you live elsewhere and can access it then good.

One interesting point raised in the programme, was that flecks of paint found in the hair of Rachel Nickell's two year old son, who was present when she was murdered, were later traced back to a tool box belonging to Robert Napper.

Flecks of paint brought by an offender being present at a crime scene has obvious echoes of the EAR/ONS case. The one point I would like to make with regard to that, is that Robert Napper was not known to have been a painter, so EAR/ONS may well not have been either.

www.channel5.com/shows/crimes-that-shook-britain/episodes/rachel-nickell