Foreign cigarettes

[gskonstracker]

Jun 24, 2014 23:33:06 GMT playinem said:

One thing to consider before any private party or entity invests money in having DNA evidence samples analyzed and profiles developed from one or more samples is that unless you have a commitment from one of the LE agency labs in possession of the unknown offender's DNA profile to perform a comparison between whatever DNA profile the private party has had developed and the one LE has you will be out a considerable amount of money and be SOL. It would probably be better to just turn over any item of evidence that might contain DNA to either the OC crime lab or the FBI crime lab and see if they will do the testing, analysis, profile development and comparison all themselves. That would also be preferable from a legal perspective although there still could be some evidentiary and chain of custody issues with any privately generated DNA evidence.

I don't believe any victims or witnesses actually furnished any evidence of the EAR actually smoking or smelling like tobacco so it is entirely possible that the cigarettes were a complete "red herring." SF Bay is absolutely correct about the Vantage package it looks like a target.

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I know from experience, if you have a DNA fingerprint that could possibly be related to the GSK case, LE would compare it to what they have for GSK. I'll tell you who if you need a contact. You are right that a match does nothing for the legal case except get LE looking in the right direction. However, if a past victim has held back evidence with possible DNA on it, then LE would want to test it themselves. 

 

[Relentless]

Everyone young guy I knew in the 70's smoked Marlboros, except when forced to steal smokes from their mom. Middle aged folks smoked Pall Malls, Kools, Vice Rolls, Kents, Camels.  I looked into the marketing for Vantage and it was a smoke for those wanting to cut down on the tar content.  It seem to be directed to professional male smokers.

[carcosa71]

Maybe because he only smoked when he committed his crimes or when he was at the bars drinking. Or he had an accomplice who smoked.

Binge Smoking during extreme tense situations is a common thing among military people and police.

I could easily see EAR-ONS taking up the habit while staking out people.

If EAR-ONS was  a teenager he may never allowed to smoke at home. These excursions may allowed him to indulge in that vice as well as rape and murder.

Maybe EAR-ONS has died of lung cancer. (I say this half-jokingly)

[tenaciousc]

I agree that he could have been leaving the cigarette butts in the ashtrays and on the ground to throw LE off. I could believe the EAR, being the planner and predictor that he was, could think of something like say, going to a party and emptying an ashtray and putting some in his pocket unnoticed. Later leaving them at the seen of a crime knowing that LE might release the information through the media. His circle of friends and family would know him to not be a smoker, so they wouldn't suspect him. It's possible I guess.

Note ... I edited your post to delete all the white space.  Drifter

[Jay7777]

Jun 24, 2014 23:33:06 GMT playinem said:

One thing to consider before any private party or entity invests money in having DNA evidence samples analyzed and profiles developed from one or more samples is that unless you have a commitment from one of the LE agency labs in possession of the unknown offender's DNA profile to perform a comparison between whatever DNA profile the private party has had developed and the one LE has you will be out a considerable amount of money and be SOL. It would probably be better to just turn over any item of evidence that might contain DNA to either the OC crime lab or the FBI crime lab and see if they will do the testing, analysis, profile development and comparison all themselves. That would also be preferable from a legal perspective although there still could be some evidentiary and chain of custody issues with any privately generated DNA evidence.

I don't believe any victims or witnesses actually furnished any evidence of the EAR actually smoking or smelling like tobacco so it is entirely possible that the cigarettes were a complete "red herring." SF Bay is absolutely correct about the Vantage package it looks like a target.

 

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This DNA problem and comparing it to the ones LE has in their computer system seems to be the biggest hold up, as there are some really good suspects that need to be compared somehow!?

 

[tenaciousc]

Jul 4, 2014 6:42:10 GMT tenaciousc said:

I agree that he could have been leaving the cigarette butts in the ashtrays and on the ground to throw LE off. I could believe the EAR, being the planner and predictor that he was, could think of something like say, going to a party and emptying an ashtray and putting some in his pocket unnoticed. Later leaving them at the seen of a crime knowing that LE might release the information through the media. His circle of friends and family would know him to not be a smoker, so they wouldn't suspect him. It's possible I guess.

Note ... I edited your post to delete all the white space.  Drifter

Thanks Drifter!

[lemur]

I always suspected that he smoked marijuana because of his appetite at the crime scenes. Raiding the victim's kitchens and eating all kinds of food as if he was high. He also stole a joint from a victims home. Maybe it enabled him to act, and commit such brazen acts with lessened inhibitions. It has a different effect on different people. Since he was so obsessive with his thoughts, planning and stalking, chances are he may have had some of his mental issues addressed which led to him being medicated for a mental illness. This could account for his lack of erections and strange scent that the dogs picked up on. There are countless new medications for mental illness in the past 30 years, if he is being treated with pharmaceuticals it could alter what the profilers expected his future actions to be.

When the new paint evidence was revealed in September the articles mentioned they were working on an up to date psychological profile for ears ons. If they have completed one, i have not been able to find even a mention of it being completed. Law enforcement says it will be solved if a person recognizes the behavior and or personality of this offender. If the new profile is completed the public needs to hear what it has to say.

[Deleted]

While EAR was offending in Sacramento he wanted everyone to know it was him. Leaving a certain brand of cigarettes or something taken from a previous attack was just another way of thumbing his nose.

[dbw]

One should never assume EAR was sloppy - when he left something, it was usually for a purpose - usually to let people know he'd been there.

Which brings us to another point - it was the "mind-f--k" , be it terrorizing the victim or the whole community, that was most important to EAR. He went to great lengths to do all sorts if strange things - some of which only he understood - to terrorize. He was particularly angry at women, but also angry at everybody.

[leviathan]

Jul 3, 2014 19:32:52 GMT carcosa71 said:

Maybe because he only smoked when he committed his crimes or when he was at the bars drinking. Or he had an accomplice who smoked.

Binge Smoking during extreme tense situations is a common thing among military people and police.

I could easily see EAR-ONS taking up the habit while staking out people.

If EAR-ONS was  a teenager he may never allowed to smoke at home. These excursions may allowed him to indulge in that vice as well as rape and murder.

Maybe EAR-ONS has died of lung cancer. (I say this half-jokingly)

Right on Carcosa... also do we know if those butts were from the night of the attacks specifically?  It's entirely possible that, during the stalking phase of his crimes, he smoked as part of dealing with the...ummmm... excitement that he may have been feeling but was not going to get immediate release.

[lepke]

If someone has smoked cannabis recently, it is quite easy to tell when you are close to them - they smell pretty funky. Did anyone report smelling cannabis on EAR/ONS?

[pendleton]

Could have been a Beedi. They were pretty popular back then and they were sold in singles so you didn't need much money to buy them.

[Relentless]

Jul 20, 2014 15:38:28 GMT portofleith said:

Jul 20, 2014 9:32:47 GMT lepke said:

If someone has smoked cannabis recently, it is quite easy to tell when you are close to them - they smell pretty funky. Did anyone report smelling cannabis on EAR/ONS?

There was no report of that smell-only cinnamon on one occasion which could be indicative of a clove cigarette or perhaps cinnamon gum.

Or as someone mentioned those cinnamon toothpicks that were sold in the 1970's.