Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2014 3:57:40 GMT
There's much talk on other threads about Vietnam and possible ties to a veteran for the GSK Crimes. Someone sent me this with the interesting analogies noted between what EAR wrote in the 6th Grade Teacher Rant paper left in Danville and I found it interesting. The person who sent it feels that all of the papers left in Danville were masked to look like something else, i.e., that the situation talked about in the paper and the writing sentences didn't literally mean a kid in a 6th grade class, didn't literally mean a 6th Grade teacher, and didn't literally mean the type of writing sentences as punishment many of us assumed the writer meant. They feel EAR was taunting LE as being too dumb to figure it out by leaving the papers and map.
Cancelled Field Trips and Disappointments
“BLISS: We already had our shoes and everything- I mean real shoes such as we were going to walk out in shoes. And they opened the door and they said make coal balls. We said what?! We're going home. He said no the cease fire is broken down, you violated it. That was my worst fear. Because we had had so many ups and downs. In the early days they would give you a banana you thought you were going home, it was a fattening up program. But the day finally came.”
“ALVAREZ: Personally, I was so emotionally drained I think, of so many expectations in the past and so many disappointments and failures.”
www.goldengatewing.org/proptalk/speaker.cfm?ID=104
“Sometimes men reportedly are taken from the prison to visit state institutions where they can "learn" more about North Vietnam's `culture.’ “
www.airforcemag.com/MagazineArchive/Pages/1969/October%201969/1069forgotten.aspx
Getting in Trouble for Talking
“In a written account, he recalled his punishment for attempting to talk with another prisoner: I . . . was beaten for four hours, off and on, with a rubber whip . . . followed by sitting on a stool or kneeling on the floor with my arms strapped behind my back for six days and nights.”
www.washingtonpost.com/local/obituaries/edwin-a-ned-shuman-navy-aviator-and-pow-dies-at-82/2013/12/14/7fe7efb2-5d27-11e3-bc56-c6ca94801fac_story.html
“Notes and whispers were attempted, but both were often detected and severely punished”
www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/honor/sfeature/sf_tap.html
“Jim would get on the floor and ‘clear’ and I’d get up on the concrete bunk and talk to down the back side out of the window. We happened to be on the back of the jail. We would tell him essentially how the cow eats the cabbage [how the things worked in the prison system] and, that ‘you’re going to be all right.’”
On this particular night, they were finally caught. “The guard and an officer came charging down the hall. Jim barely got up before the door opened. I’m standing there and the door pops open and here’s this little North Vietnamese guy wearing Air Force 2nd Lieutenant bars. Turns out he was a camp commander. He wasn’t a lieutenant – he was masquerading as one. Jim hauled off and decked him right there. Just knocked him down. And, I thought, ‘…We’re in deep serious now.’ And we were.”
Punishment was immediate and harsh. Mr. Johnson spent 72 days in leg stocks in a small cell with the windows boarded up. He quietly notes, “Jim got the worst punishment.”
Read more: p.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/feb/12/kiland-and-fretwell-40-years-later-remembering-vie/#ixzz32eKnH73N
“Even though speaking was forbidden, Buchanan communicated with his fellow prisoners through a simple but ingenious "tap code" borrowed from the Korean War. By remaining in contact, the prisoners never lost hope.” m.lexington.wickedlocal.com/article/20140411/News/140418791#sthash.eI3sh5wN.dpuf
“Because their captors didn't allow them to talk to each other, and prisoners were harshly punished if they were caught communicating, the men set up a system of taps for each letter of the alphabet.”
www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/fellow-pow-still-spreading-word-of-sijans-heroism-7m9n92s-204782491.html
“They got even with him about two weeks later, however, when he was caught talking to another room. He was taken to interrogation, and when they asked him what he had said he told them that he had a very sick roommate. "He needs a doctor very badly and you won't give him one," Jim told them, "and I was asking if any of the other men knew how to take care of his foot problem.” Jim got put in leg irons for fourteen days for that.”
www.ldscops.com/war%20stories/larry%20chesley.htm
Having to Write Sentences and Paragraphs that Embarrassed Him, Made Him Ashamed and Scarred for Life
“McCain wrote many years later in his memoir "Faith of My Fathers," he fell into a bitter two-week depression. "I was ashamed. I felt faithless, and couldn't control my despair. I shook, as if my disgrace were a fever. I kept imagining that they would release my confession to embarrass my father. All my pride was lost, and I doubted I would ever stand up to any man again." But McCain's fellow POWs counseled him to forgive himself. Everyone, they said, had his breaking point,
www.globalpost.com/notebook/vietnam/090422/hanoi-torture-tour
“ALVAREZ: And when you come back and you're full of bruises and my arms turned black and hands turned black and you're starved and you know, you've been gone and you get back together with your roommate and he's gone through hell and you've gone through hell, and -- and you've -- and -- and when you go through this and you have to -- you finally say okay, I've had enough pain, I'll stop. I'll -- I'll write. I -- you - you feel so low because you gave in. Uh, something that you never thought you would do. And you realize that they can make you do things you don't want to do.”
“HUMAKER: My options were kind of running out and I knew I couldn't stand the pain. This had gone on for hours and I tried to commit suicide by banging my head against the wall and they uh, stopped me from doing that and after they pulled me away from the wall, I realized they had to uh, comply with their demands, writing a confession or something. And -- and after I did it, they put me back in -- in my cell and I just cried like a baby for a long time. Because uh, as I said earlier, you think you'll -- that you let your country down.”
www.goldengatewing.org/proptalk/speaker.cfm?ID=104
"The North Vietnamese could break anyone in giving them something, and some of the men were in deep despair because they had been unmercifully tortured into giving biographies and confessions. I passed the word for them to get themselves together. "The line is, if you are broken; don't despair. Bounce back as soon as you can to the hard line." Bounce back-- it became our way of life.
www.boycottliberalism.com/Denton-Quotes.htm
“Lump began taking the soft-sell, good-guy approach with the POWs in quizzes, and probably suckered some of them, although I felt certain that he would eventually resort to torture if he didn’t get what he wanted.
I had not yet recovered from the brutal arm-twisting session, and when Lump asked me to write something, anything, I consented and wrote on “superstitions” among pilots, a topic he suggested.
I wrote at length on the logical proof of the existence of God, using examples from the order of the universe, and Lump accepted my work. When I refused to write something more of a similar nature, he remained calm. But I knew this was only the beginning”
Read more at www.wnd.com/2011/12/380557/#1pTO7xPIyC7bDPzX.99
“We spent the next three days working on the war-crimes confession, but the guards would wave whatever I wrote in my face and scream that it wasn’t satisfactory. Were they seeing through my innuendos and double meanings? I could feel myself starting to panic as I could feel my last remaining defenses slipping.”
magazine.nd.edu/news/13873-pure-torture/
‘When he succumbed to Vietnamese torture and signed a "confession" as a [redacted by Drifter], he attempted suicide. "I felt it blemished my record permanently, and even today I find it hard to suppress feelings of remorse,"
www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_big_idea/2010/07/the_saddest_senator.html
“The torture ended for Guy when after ten days and nights, he produced an acceptable confession, an apology, and an agreement to do anything that was asked of him. Then he was asked to write a letter of ‘solidarity’ and encouragement to the Vietnam Veterans Against the War. When he balked at this, he was ordered back onto his knees and offered another round of torture.” Unable to tolerate the prospect, he yielded [16]. “Guy was to see the letters again. After release, he filed charges against eight other returnees. Pickets patrolled Homestead Air Force Base, where Guy was stationed, handing out copies of the letters as proof that he, too, had collaborated.”
www.newtotalitarians.com/index_files/WhoWasTedGuy.htm
“I sold my soul for a cup of water and I felt like I'd just totally betrayed my country," he said. "There were some Americans who died in that room who took it, but there were 500 of us ... who were scarred, beaten and broken." The shame and guilt of his statements - thoughts of being court-martialed or dishonorably discharged - haunted him for the next several days.”
www.sgvtribune.com/general-news/20120424/vietnam-war-pow-candidate-for-superior-court-judge-talks-to-citrus-college-students
“He made me copy a statement which said that I had many times led pilots to bomb the churches and schools of North Vietnam."
"I had no resistance left, and had to agree. I would write a paper full of ridiculous information. I figured they would accept anything, and during the next three days I wrote thirty-six pages of the silliest nonsense I could think of."
www.boycottliberalism.com/Denton-Quotes.htm
“Thompson told the New Yorker, "The pressure now got as high as it could without killing me." They wanted him to sign a paper calling for the withdrawl of American troops from South Vietnam. "I sat there with a pen in my hand as they shouted at me to write. Periodically, they hit me with bamboo. They kept at for eight, ten and twelve hours a day. When I finally signed the thing...the pressure stopped. [Source: Tom Philpott, New Yorker, April 2, 2001 <>]
factsanddetails.com/southeast-asia/Vietnam/sub5_9b/entry-3366.html
“Extracted after weeks of pain inflicted by his tormentors. In a more recent interview Mr McCain explained the signing of the confession as his failure.”
www.tailhook.net/POW.htm
“One prisoner estimated that communist torturers exacted statements of some sort from 80 percent of the [redacted by Drifter]. As soon as they recovered from the physical trauma, the prisoners faced the torment of having collaborated and, theoretically, having violated the Code of Conduct.
www.airforcemag.com/magazinearchive/pages/1999/august%201999/0899honor.aspx
The next day two guards came to my cell and, after knocking me about, began raising me off the ground by my arms, which were still tied behind me. They kept this up for what seemed like hours, and I don’t know how my arms didn’t pop from their sockets. The pain was so intense that finally I could take it no longer. I gave in and copied my confession onto their standard form. It was small comfort that it had taken them three weeks to get it.
Read more at www.wnd.com/2011/12/380557/#1pTO7xPIyC7bDPzX.99
"With the expanding American war effort, prison authorities were under increasing pressure to obtain information and statements that could be used for propaganda purposes," the historians said. "To produce these they had to break down the [redacted by Drifter] resistance."
www.airforcemag.com/magazinearchive/pages/1999/august%201999/0899honor.aspx
“It became evident that no one would be spared in the quest for biographies and confessions. They were now torturing badly injured men.”
“After the march some of the men were tortured to write statements the North Vietnamese could use for propaganda.”
www.ldscops.com/war%20stories/larry%20chesley.htm
MISCELLANEOUS
“If the enemy wanted something and knew you knew it, they would stop at nothing to get it. Thus we were trained to be clever, an actor, under stress magazine.nd.edu/news/13873-pure-torture/
