Composite Drawings

[Agent99 aka Sandia]

Mar 30, 2014 21:43:04 GMT xiulan said:

Mar 30, 2014 21:24:51 GMT Agent99 aka Sandia said:

xiulan, so true.  There are some YouTube videos where a person enters the classroom, confronts the teacher and then leaves and the class is asked to give descriptions.  Some were so accurate, incredibly accurate and others so wrong.  Then the police are left to wonder who is accurate.  I've come to realize that I am incredibly non observant (LOL) but trying to work on it. 
I had an incident where a mouse got in the house and I swore it was a huge rat and when it was caught, it turned out to be a tiny field mouse.  My fear played tricks on my mind.  Then there is false memory, where someone tells you something and you create a visual image in your brain and as time goes by you do not know if that image is from something you actually saw or not.  Thank God for all of the cell phone cameras everyone has now and the various surveillance cameras.  I welcome them Orwellian or not, I think they make us safer and help catch criminals.

99, I can relate completely to your "huge" rat comment. As much as the side of me with a healthy distrust of government stewardship of potentially invasive methods cringes at all this, I have to agree with you on the cameras. The CC-TV systems that have been implemented elsewhere are quite useful in a wide range of situations regarding the capture and/or identification of criminals or potential suspects.

I don't know that it would have necessarily helped here since there seems to be so much uncertainty about the validity of any of the composites and, as Port pointed out, the one that appears to have the most potential could have been just about any male in that age range in California at the time. So frustrating. I'd love to see someone apply the facial-reconstruction-via-DNA-mapping technique that's been in the news lately to this case. At least that might provide a better idea of whether any of the composite images are in the relative ballpark. I'll just put it on my EAR wish list with everything else, I guess...

EAR wish list, sounds like something for Christmas, LOL.  I'll add it to my wish list too.  That new technology that you mention, the facial reconstruction via DNA mapping is very exciting.  VERY EXCITING.  Can you just imagine if that can be used to identify and finally bring him to justice!  I hope this makes him very nervous.

[xiulan]

Mar 30, 2014 21:47:56 GMT Agent99 aka Sandia said:

Mar 30, 2014 21:43:04 GMT xiulan said:

99, I can relate completely to your "huge" rat comment. As much as the side of me with a healthy distrust of government stewardship of potentially invasive methods cringes at all this, I have to agree with you on the cameras. The CC-TV systems that have been implemented elsewhere are quite useful in a wide range of situations regarding the capture and/or identification of criminals or potential suspects.

I don't know that it would have necessarily helped here since there seems to be so much uncertainty about the validity of any of the composites and, as Port pointed out, the one that appears to have the most potential could have been just about any male in that age range in California at the time. So frustrating. I'd love to see someone apply the facial-reconstruction-via-DNA-mapping technique that's been in the news lately to this case. At least that might provide a better idea of whether any of the composite images are in the relative ballpark. I'll just put it on my EAR wish list with everything else, I guess...

EAR wish list, sounds like something for Christmas, LOL.  I'll add it to my wish list too.  That new technology that you mention, the facial reconstruction via DNA mapping is very exciting.  VERY EXCITING.  Can you just imagine if that can be used to identify and finally bring him to justice!  I hope this makes him very nervous.

In the one sense, I completely agree with you. I love to imagine a sinking feeling creeping over him with every new advancement in technology; to at least believe that something comes up to remind him that his freedom is always a crowd dancing on the head of a pin. On the other side of that, I hope he's so comfortable with his seeming invincibility that nothing would inspire him to start eliminating items of evidence "just in case". The DNA stuff is fantastic. *Fingers crossed* Wouldn't it be wonderful to finally be able to stick a real approximation of this monster's actual face out in public view? Gets my blood moving.

[newramonnovarro88]

I believe they said on the E! special, that the most accurate composite sketch is the one that shows him with the long curly blonde hair and sort of baby fat on his cheeks. They mention that after they published the sketch in the newspapers who ever was doing the rapes got scared and stopped doing them. They mention that it was based on one of the victims who got a good look at him.

[kona]

I thought the bull was from a T-shirt I saw Glasby wore in 76. So I found him hard to give up. I thought it may have been his tattoo too but am informed it was a Harley Davidson skull and wings.
Something so specific and rare like a three toed dog and in a small town. These two bits of description made me think how hard could this guy be to find?
So the world is bigger than this local boy thought.

[xiulan]

Apr 8, 2014 6:15:47 GMT cerulean said:

Who are the mods now?

Drifter, Truthandsoul, and Greg

[Drifter]

sfbay wrote:

Now apply this train of thought to the possibility that a field mouse was responsible for the EAR crimes - with everyone out looking for a full grown rat.

I know what you're saying here; and you may very well be right.

But I got a chuckle out of the analogy. Don't think anyone ever thought of using a mousetrap to catch the EAR. Wonder if he likes cheese ... 

Drifter

[Agent99 aka Sandia]

Apr 8, 2014 6:45:10 GMT sfbay said:

Mar 30, 2014 21:24:51 GMT Agent99 aka Sandia said:

xiulan, so true.  There are some YouTube videos where a person enters the classroom, confronts the teacher and then leaves and the class is asked to give descriptions.  Some were so accurate, incredibly accurate and others so wrong.  Then the police are left to wonder who is accurate.  I've come to realize that I am incredibly non observant (LOL) but trying to work on it. 
I had an incident where a mouse got in the house and I swore it was a huge rat and when it was caught, it turned out to be a tiny field mouse.  My fear played tricks on my mind.  Then there is false memory, where someone tells you something and you create a visual image in your brain and as time goes by you do not know if that image is from something you actually saw or not.  Thank God for all of the cell phone cameras everyone has now and the various surveillance cameras.  I welcome them Orwellian or not, I think they make us safer and help catch criminals.

Now apply this train of thought to the possibility that a field mouse was responsible for the EAR crimes - with everyone out looking for a full grown rat. 

Guinea Pig to Field Mouse: "Have you seen any rats around here kid?"
Field Mouse:  "No sir!"
Guinea Pig:  "Ok, you be safe."
Field Mouse: "Hey you %@#!ers be safe out there, too! ... Oops!"  [pedals away quickly] 

Silliness aside, I do wonder if victims would naturally "age up" a young attacker for various reasons.

SFBay,  very funny!  I think generally speaking that people can usually identify/recognize age of people their own age better than they can tell the age of someone who is not their age.    Or if people have children, they are a better judge of kids ages over people that do not have children, that sort of thing.  What happened?  Did you eat werewolf food?  forget to shave today?  LOL

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Apr 8, 2014 6:58:09 GMT sfbay said:

Apr 8, 2014 6:51:45 GMT Drifter said:

sfbay wrote:
I know what you're saying here; and you may very well be right.

But I got a chuckle out of the analogy. Don't think anyone ever thought of using a mousetrap to catch the EAR. Wonder if he likes cheese ... 

Drifter

I think there was plenty of cheddar in whatever hole he crawled out of.

Sfbay: your avatar just gets freakier and freakier. First the alien, then the carnivore alien, now a survivalist carnivore alien. That avatar is what I see in my nightmares, man. Really. 

[lepke]

The open face mask composite looks like EAR/ONS was singing - he has been described as a falsetto, albeit a stuttering and whispering one.

[playinem]

Apr 11, 2014 0:10:04 GMT lepke said:

The open face mask composite looks like EAR/ONS was singing - he has been described as a falsetto, albeit a stuttering and whispering one.

Perhaps he would be a "lock" for an "American Midol" competition.

[playinem]

Just a couple of more serious observations. First, thank you very much for organizing and posting these Port...another meaningful contribution of value to the board.

In the majority of these comps, this guy appears very youthful to me. Out of the eleven comps presented in Port's post, I see three maybe four who look to me as if they could legitimately depict a man in excess of twenty-five (25) or more years. of course that's just Play and he isn't much of a judge of much...much of the time.

The two comps from 16. Feb. 1977, they look pretty damned different to Play. The facial structures, the hairstyles...especially the hairstyles...they look significantly different.

8. Mar. 1977 and 17. May 1977...those comps could easily depict the same guy or his brother. Problem? He/they really doesn't resemble anyone else in the comps.

The "Early Morning Rapist" portrayed in the Jan., 1974 comp, he could match the blurry EAR 1976 comp and, the 8. Nov. 1976, 16. Feb. 1977, 18. Mar., 1977 and 1. Oct. 1977 comps...note the pointy "Wicked Witch of the West" chin on all of those.

As far as 28. Jan. 1978 goes...wow! Is that hairstyle a "mullet"? I couldn't help thinking that perhaps someone had finally turned his "outie" into an "innie", he kind of looks like a straight up girl in that comp. At least to Play he does. A kind of unattractive female...what I am trying to say is that the comps seem like they are all over the place making this mess even more confusing than it already was at least to Play.

Enough perusing of the comps. Time for Play to go alter his hairstyle.

[Drifter]

Bravo to port for posting identifying labels on the comps. I have wanted that for a long time.

Couple of points ... If you are so inclined, kindly give a descriptive label to each of the eleven comps. Someone mentioned "Billy Mummy"? ...whoever he is. Which sketch would you label "billy Mummy"? Another example of descriptive label would be "surfer dude", and so on.

Let's put descriptive labels on these sketches so that when a poster says in some thread "surfer dude" we'll all know exactly which sketch poster is referring to.

Here are the eleven sketches Port shows. Dates are helpful as identifiers but not nearly as descriptive as "surfer dude", etc.

Listed Composite Sketch ..... Your Proposed Descriptive Label

Jan 1974 (Early Morning Rapist) ....... ?

EAR 1976 .............................................?

11/8/76 .............................................?

1/22/77 ...............................................?

2/16/77 (Rod Miller) ............................. ?

2/16/77 (Rod Miller) ............................. ?

3/8/77...............................................?

3/18/77 .................................. half mask

5/17/77 ............................................. ?

10/1/77 .................................. Billy Mumy

1/28/78 (is this one a joke?) ..............?

Port ... there are many additional sketches ... bring them all out, as you have done with the 11 above.

Drifter

[lepke]

Apr 11, 2014 2:37:57 GMT playinem said:

Just a couple of more serious observations. First, thank you very much for organizing and posting these Port...another meaningful contribution of value to the board.

In the majority of these comps, this guy appears very youthful to me. Out of the eleven comps presented in Port's post, I see three maybe four who look to me as if they could legitimately depict a man in excess of twenty-five (25) or more years. of course that's just Play and he isn't much of a judge of much...much of the time.

The two comps from 16. Feb. 1977, they look pretty damned different to Play. The facial structures, the hairstyles...especially the hairstyles...they look significantly different.

8. Mar. 1977 and 17. May 1977...those comps could easily depict the same guy or his brother. Problem? He/they really doesn't resemble anyone else in the comps.

The "Early Morning Rapist" portrayed in the Jan., 1974 comp, he could match the blurry EAR 1976 comp and, the 8. Nov. 1976, 16. Feb. 1977, 18. Mar., 1977 and 1. Oct. 1977 comps...note the pointy "Wicked Witch of the West" chin on all of those.

As far as 28. Jan. 1978 goes...wow! Is that hairstyle a "mullet"? I couldn't help thinking that perhaps someone had finally turned his "outie" into an "innie", he kind of looks like a straight up girl in that comp. At least to Play he does. A kind of unattractive female...what I am trying to say is that the comps seem like they are all over the place making this mess even more confusing than it already was at least to Play.

Enough perusing of the comps. Time for Play to go alter his hairstyle.

Time for Play to stop writing in the third person, like he is Floyd Mayweather

[playinem]

Apr 11, 2014 17:14:59 GMT lepke said:

Apr 11, 2014 2:37:57 GMT playinem said:

Just a couple of more serious observations. First, thank you very much for organizing and posting these Port...another meaningful contribution of value to the board.

In the majority of these comps, this guy appears very youthful to me. Out of the eleven comps presented in Port's post, I see three maybe four who look to me as if they could legitimately depict a man in excess of twenty-five (25) or more years. of course that's just Play and he isn't much of a judge of much...much of the time.

The two comps from 16. Feb. 1977, they look pretty damned different to Play. The facial structures, the hairstyles...especially the hairstyles...they look significantly different.

8. Mar. 1977 and 17. May 1977...those comps could easily depict the same guy or his brother. Problem? He/they really doesn't resemble anyone else in the comps.

The "Early Morning Rapist" portrayed in the Jan., 1974 comp, he could match the blurry EAR 1976 comp and, the 8. Nov. 1976, 16. Feb. 1977, 18. Mar., 1977 and 1. Oct. 1977 comps...note the pointy "Wicked Witch of the West" chin on all of those.

As far as 28. Jan. 1978 goes...wow! Is that hairstyle a "mullet"? I couldn't help thinking that perhaps someone had finally turned his "outie" into an "innie", he kind of looks like a straight up girl in that comp. At least to Play he does. A kind of unattractive female...what I am trying to say is that the comps seem like they are all over the place making this mess even more confusing than it already was at least to Play.

Enough perusing of the comps. Time for Play to go alter his hairstyle.

Time for Play to stop writing in the third person, like he is Floyd Mayweather

If you can make me stop I promise I will. I hit harder than Floyd but he is the BEST at everything else. Referring to myself in the third person is probably one of my habits that most annoys friends and family. I've done it since I was a child and that's a long time as you know. 

[Brad]

Apr 11, 2014 17:24:44 GMT playinem said:

Apr 11, 2014 17:14:59 GMT lepke said:

Time for Play to stop writing in the third person, like he is Floyd Mayweather

If you can make me stop I promise I will. I hit harder than Floyd but he is the BEST at everything else. Referring to myself in the third person is probably one of my habits that most annoys friends and family. I've done it since I was a child and that's a long time as you know. 

The best part is that you refer to yourself by your nickname (I am assuming that your parents didn't name you "Play". If they did, I apologize for being incorrect).

Even the greatness of Floyd doesn't cause him to usually refer to himself in the third person as "Money". 

Brad likes it, Play. Brad thinks you rock.