EAR finally identified?

[Mitchell]

May 15, 2015 18:28:14 GMT cityofchill said:

May 15, 2015 14:24:37 GMT vangogh said:

He must have a hell of a lot of clues to be 99% sure of his POI.   Normally to reach the 99% certainty threshold, one would need evidence.

Man, this 99% thing seems to be all that matters to some people. He said he was 99% sure, not that you or I should be 99% sure. He was making a statement about his own degree of certainty; not telling us how certain we should be. But some people can't see the forest through the trees. Some insist he's done nothing positive whatsoever for the case, shed no light on anything, provided no new ideas, and instead has made terrible errors that just muddy the water. Others treat the 99% statement as though it were all that mattered, and all his credibility hinges on it. Personally, I have been through his website twice, read every page, looked at every photo and read every caption, followed every update and decided for myself whether or not I thought anyone without a DNA match could be 99% sure. Obviously, they cannot, so Q's 99% statement cannot and should not be taken literally. He is a smart guy and I'm guessing he was being hyperbolic; the way many people are when they are excited about something and want to communicate it to others. He knows as well as you and I know that he cannot be 99% sure of his POI being the EAR/ONS. I think he's just trying to communicate that he, himself, is certain that he has found the culprit. Just like I am 99% sure that the woman who raised me is my actual birth mother. Without a DNA test, I cannot be 100% sure, but the evidence strongly supports my belief, and I imagine Q feels the same about his POI.

So maybe, as a suggestion, we can stop harping on one statement and instead take into account his entire body of work on the EAR/ONS, his reputation as an investigator (oh, I forgot! He has a webpage on bigfoot so he's abviousoy a nutter! Oh, but if he's a nutter then why do I care so much about anything he says?), and the clues he presents to us as evidence that he has found the identity of the perp. If we are not satisfied that he has met the conditions to be 99% certain, then that is all that matters — that we have made a fair assessment of his claim and made a logical decision about whether or not we think he has the grounds to make this statement. And if we don't think he has the grounds, it is up to us whether or not that destroys 99% of his credibility, or that his claim needs to be taken in context as the opinion of one man who has done a lot of investigative work and arrived at a result he believes to be true. 

But personally, I am tired of hearing the 99% claim brought up again and again as if it is all that matters. There is more to Quasar and his research than that one statement. Hanging on to it as though it were the only meaningful thing he's ever written about EAR/ONS seems to be rather belligerent. In the end, if Quester is wrong about his POI, he has still done about as much good for this case as anyone who isn't a cop by making an excellent website documenting the crimes in detail and presenting it to a wider audience. So, personally, I'm willing to cut him some slack on the whole 99% deal. The man is entitled to his opinion. If it is so concerning to some that he made this remark publicly, contact him and tell him what you think. Contact LE and tell them you want to see this DNA test done and don't want to hear any excuses about jurisdictions and whatnot. But please stop the endless obsession with 99%!

It's a statement of opinion. Not of fact.

[corkykneivel]

WOW. Cannot like hard enough. Expertly said.

May 15, 2015 18:28:14 GMT cityofchill said:

May 15, 2015 14:24:37 GMT vangogh said:

He must have a hell of a lot of clues to be 99% sure of his POI.   Normally to reach the 99% certainty threshold, one would need evidence.

Man, this 99% thing seems to be all that matters to some people. He said he was 99% sure, not that you or I should be 99% sure. He was making a statement about his own degree of certainty; not telling us how certain we should be. But some people can't see the forest through the trees. Some insist he's done nothing positive whatsoever for the case, shed no light on anything, provided no new ideas, and instead has made terrible errors that just muddy the water. Others treat the 99% statement as though it were all that mattered, and all his credibility hinges on it. Personally, I have been through his website twice, read every page, looked at every photo and read every caption, followed every update and decided for myself whether or not I thought anyone without a DNA match could be 99% sure. Obviously, they cannot, so Q's 99% statement cannot and should not be taken literally. He is a smart guy and I'm guessing he was being hyperbolic; the way many people are when they are excited about something and want to communicate it to others. He knows as well as you and I know that he cannot be 99% sure of his POI being the EAR/ONS. I think he's just trying to communicate that he, himself, is certain that he has found the culprit. Just like I am 99% sure that the woman who raised me is my actual birth mother. Without a DNA test, I cannot be 100% sure, but the evidence strongly supports my belief, and I imagine Q feels the same about his POI.

So maybe, as a suggestion, we can stop harping on one statement and instead take into account his entire body of work on the EAR/ONS, his reputation as an investigator (oh, I forgot! He has a webpage on bigfoot so he's abviousoy a nutter! Oh, but if he's a nutter then why do I care so much about anything he says?), and the clues he presents to us as evidence that he has found the identity of the perp. If we are not satisfied that he has met the conditions to be 99% certain, then that is all that matters — that we have made a fair assessment of his claim and made a logical decision about whether or not we think he has the grounds to make this statement. And if we don't think he has the grounds, it is up to us whether or not that destroys 99% of his credibility, or that his claim needs to be taken in context as the opinion of one man who has done a lot of investigative work and arrived at a result he believes to be true. 

But personally, I am tired of hearing the 99% claim brought up again and again as if it is all that matters. There is more to Quasar and his research than that one statement. Hanging on to it as though it were the only meaningful thing he's ever written about EAR/ONS seems to be rather belligerent. In the end, if Quester is wrong about his POI, he has still done about as much good for this case as anyone who isn't a cop by making an excellent website documenting the crimes in detail and presenting it to a wider audience. So, personally, I'm willing to cut him some slack on the whole 99% deal. The man is entitled to his opinion. If it is so concerning to some that he made this remark publicly, contact him and tell him what you think. Contact LE and tell them you want to see this DNA test done and don't want to hear any excuses about jurisdictions and whatnot. But please stop the endless obsession with 99%!

[vangogh]

May 15, 2015 18:28:14 GMT cityofchill said:

May 15, 2015 14:24:37 GMT vangogh said:

He must have a hell of a lot of clues to be 99% sure of his POI.   Normally to reach the 99% certainty threshold, one would need evidence.

Man, this 99% thing seems to be all that matters to some people. He said he was 99% sure, not that you or I should be 99% sure. He was making a statement about his own degree of certainty; not telling us how certain we should be. But some people can't see the forest through the trees. Some insist he's done nothing positive whatsoever for the case, shed no light on anything, provided no new ideas, and instead has made terrible errors that just muddy the water. Others treat the 99% statement as though it were all that mattered, and all his credibility hinges on it. Personally, I have been through his website twice, read every page, looked at every photo and read every caption, followed every update and decided for myself whether or not I thought anyone without a DNA match could be 99% sure. Obviously, they cannot, so Q's 99% statement cannot and should not be taken literally. He is a smart guy and I'm guessing he was being hyperbolic; the way many people are when they are excited about something and want to communicate it to others. He knows as well as you and I know that he cannot be 99% sure of his POI being the EAR/ONS. I think he's just trying to communicate that he, himself, is certain that he has found the culprit. Just like I am 99% sure that the woman who raised me is my actual birth mother. Without a DNA test, I cannot be 100% sure, but the evidence strongly supports my belief, and I imagine Q feels the same about his POI.

So maybe, as a suggestion, we can stop harping on one statement and instead take into account his entire body of work on the EAR/ONS, his reputation as an investigator (oh, I forgot! He has a webpage on bigfoot so he's abviousoy a nutter! Oh, but if he's a nutter then why do I care so much about anything he says?), and the clues he presents to us as evidence that he has found the identity of the perp. If we are not satisfied that he has met the conditions to be 99% certain, then that is all that matters — that we have made a fair assessment of his claim and made a logical decision about whether or not we think he has the grounds to make this statement. And if we don't think he has the grounds, it is up to us whether or not that destroys 99% of his credibility, or that his claim needs to be taken in context as the opinion of one man who has done a lot of investigative work and arrived at a result he believes to be true. 

But personally, I am tired of hearing the 99% claim brought up again and again as if it is all that matters. There is more to Quasar and his research than that one statement. Hanging on to it as though it were the only meaningful thing he's ever written about EAR/ONS seems to be rather belligerent. In the end, if Quester is wrong about his POI, he has still done about as much good for this case as anyone who isn't a cop by making an excellent website documenting the crimes in detail and presenting it to a wider audience. So, personally, I'm willing to cut him some slack on the whole 99% deal. The man is entitled to his opinion. If it is so concerning to some that he made this remark publicly, contact him and tell him what you think. Contact LE and tell them you want to see this DNA test done and don't want to hear any excuses about jurisdictions and whatnot. But please stop the endless obsession with 99%!

Sorry to upset you chill.  I'd give you a 'chill pill' if I had one.  

The 99% statement is the reason many follow Quasar's updates.  How can it be disregarded?  Sorry if it upsets you but Quasar's credibility hinges on his POI(s). As I have stated before, I hope Quasar identifies the monster. Hope is the only reason I continue to follow the updates.  If his POI(s) doesn't pass the DNA test, at least we have another wonderful and informative EAR/ONS website to spark future investigations.

Yes, Quasar has made a wonderful website.  Yes, Quasar has added valuable insight for many people to investigate this case.  I have been following his online activities long before his EAR website was posted on this board.  I was very impressed with the layout and the way he condensed known information into a very easy to navigate place regarding EAR/ONS.  

No, Quester does not have a credible reputation as an investigator. I have been led down this path by him before with his Zodiac Killer investigation. He refused to give up any information on his suspect 'Beard'.   Quasar himself claims 'clues lead to evidence upon investigation.'  His latest update implies that he does not have evidence for his EAR POI, only clues.  Clues will not get Sacramento to jump on his deceased POI.  How convenient.  Decide on his investigator track record for yourself but don't get upset with others for posting and investigating his update statements.

www.bermuda-triangle.org/html/zodiac__a_man_named_beard.html

Lastly, if my ambition was to catch EAR/ONS and I developed, from following the clues, a POI I was so sure about, I would not post it on the Internet for everyone to see, including the miscreant himself....I would not want to tipoff my POI.  I would not want my POI destroying or disposing single earrings, crystal balls and drivers licenses.  I would go straight to LE, not put the finishing touches on my website.  LE has the final say on what gets investigated.  I don't agree with his methodology and never will.

[woofytreats]

City,

In terms of my post, I'm viewing the 99% claim as a gauge of the "evidence" he has versus the certainty of his POI being EARONS or any particular value statement against this 99% claim or his research. True, people can get excited, but if someone thinks that there's a good chance of his PsOI being a direct linkage to the actual perpetrator ( if not him directly ), then I would have to think that there's "evidence" if even only the "credible evidence" standard would be met. In a personal sense, I know that if I was 99% sure or 37% sure, I wouldn't be posting it on the internet and some might go after him for that alone. We don't know what's there...we don't even know if his PsOI and their related families, friends, and business associates were cleared in 1980...so I think it's likely that people can get just as excited about the "evidence versus facts" thing as they can about the 99% claim. Being that the board is populated by folks who are ready to write off Quasar immediately...or be an apologist for him immediately, I think we'd be better off just following the efforts than reacting to them until there's something further that's actually tangible.

I have previous posts where I questioned some of GJQs findings. I've read his full website and part of his book on Flight 19 and I have my own opinions. What would disturb me is if I was ever termed a "gatekeeper" or "insider" because I disagreed with something GJQ wrote...and IMO, this board has come close to that on occasion...yes, everyone can see it's 40 years on with this case but I think everyone should try to retain some critical thinking capacity while being open minded to where this might lead.

[wolF]

May 15, 2015 20:10:52 GMT vangogh said:

May 15, 2015 18:28:14 GMT cityofchill said:

Man, this 99% thing seems to be all that matters to some people. He said he was 99% sure, not that you or I should be 99% sure. He was making a statement about his own degree of certainty; not telling us how certain we should be. But some people can't see the forest through the trees. Some insist he's done nothing positive whatsoever for the case, shed no light on anything, provided no new ideas, and instead has made terrible errors that just muddy the water. Others treat the 99% statement as though it were all that mattered, and all his credibility hinges on it. Personally, I have been through his website twice, read every page, looked at every photo and read every caption, followed every update and decided for myself whether or not I thought anyone without a DNA match could be 99% sure. Obviously, they cannot, so Q's 99% statement cannot and should not be taken literally. He is a smart guy and I'm guessing he was being hyperbolic; the way many people are when they are excited about something and want to communicate it to others. He knows as well as you and I know that he cannot be 99% sure of his POI being the EAR/ONS. I think he's just trying to communicate that he, himself, is certain that he has found the culprit. Just like I am 99% sure that the woman who raised me is my actual birth mother. Without a DNA test, I cannot be 100% sure, but the evidence strongly supports my belief, and I imagine Q feels the same about his POI.

So maybe, as a suggestion, we can stop harping on one statement and instead take into account his entire body of work on the EAR/ONS, his reputation as an investigator (oh, I forgot! He has a webpage on bigfoot so he's abviousoy a nutter! Oh, but if he's a nutter then why do I care so much about anything he says?), and the clues he presents to us as evidence that he has found the identity of the perp. If we are not satisfied that he has met the conditions to be 99% certain, then that is all that matters — that we have made a fair assessment of his claim and made a logical decision about whether or not we think he has the grounds to make this statement. And if we don't think he has the grounds, it is up to us whether or not that destroys 99% of his credibility, or that his claim needs to be taken in context as the opinion of one man who has done a lot of investigative work and arrived at a result he believes to be true. 

But personally, I am tired of hearing the 99% claim brought up again and again as if it is all that matters. There is more to Quasar and his research than that one statement. Hanging on to it as though it were the only meaningful thing he's ever written about EAR/ONS seems to be rather belligerent. In the end, if Quester is wrong about his POI, he has still done about as much good for this case as anyone who isn't a cop by making an excellent website documenting the crimes in detail and presenting it to a wider audience. So, personally, I'm willing to cut him some slack on the whole 99% deal. The man is entitled to his opinion. If it is so concerning to some that he made this remark publicly, contact him and tell him what you think. Contact LE and tell them you want to see this DNA test done and don't want to hear any excuses about jurisdictions and whatnot. But please stop the endless obsession with 99%!

Sorry to upset you chill.  I'd give you a 'chill pill' if I had one.  

The 99% statement is the reason many follow Quasar's updates.  How can it be disregarded?  Sorry if it upsets you but Quasar's credibility hinges on his POI(s). As I have stated before, I hope Quasar identifies the monster. Hope is the only reason I continue to follow the updates.  If his POI(s) doesn't pass the DNA test, at least we have another wonderful and informative EAR/ONS website to spark future investigations.

Yes, Quasar has made a wonderful website.  Yes, Quasar has added valuable insight for many people to investigate this case.  I have been following his online activities long before his EAR website was posted on this board.  I was very impressed with the layout and the way he condensed known information into a very easy to navigate place regarding EAR/ONS.  

No, Quester does not have a credible reputation as an investigator. I have been led down this path by him before with his Zodiac Killer investigation. He refused to give up any information on his suspect 'Beard'.   Quasar himself claims 'clues lead to evidence upon investigation.'  His latest update implies that he does not have evidence for his EAR POI, only clues.  Clues will not get Sacramento to jump on his deceased POI.  How convenient.  Decide on his investigator track record for yourself but don't get upset with others for posting and investigating his update statements.

www.bermuda-triangle.org/html/zodiac__a_man_named_beard.html

Lastly, if my ambition was to catch EAR/ONS and I developed, from following the clues, a POI I was so sure about, I would not post it on the Internet for everyone to see, including the miscreant himself....I would not want to tipoff my POI.  I would not want my POI destroying or disposing single earrings, crystal balls and drivers licenses.  I would go straight to LE, not put the finishing touches on my website.  LE has the final say on what gets investigated.  I don't agree with his methodology and never will.

He has a retired LE dude helping him. What more do you want? As for his Zodiac POI, it's probably going to be impossible to contradict his claims. It's highly unlikely that anyone has any sort of reliable evidence that can identify Z. And the funny thing is, his Z POI (if he actually has one) is nowhere near as crazy as other POIs named by all sorts of people. Bottom line, unless Z happens to be alive and wants to turn himself in, no one can catch him or pin the Z crimes on him.

Oh, and it really doesn't matter if ear is tipped off or not. This is a cold case and LE has reliable DNA, that's all they need.

[ralphakers]

Does someone have a list of things that were stolen?

[woofytreats]

May 15, 2015 20:54:01 GMT wolF said:

May 15, 2015 20:10:52 GMT vangogh said:

Sorry to upset you chill.  I'd give you a 'chill pill' if I had one.  

The 99% statement is the reason many follow Quasar's updates.  How can it be disregarded?  Sorry if it upsets you but Quasar's credibility hinges on his POI(s). As I have stated before, I hope Quasar identifies the monster. Hope is the only reason I continue to follow the updates.  If his POI(s) doesn't pass the DNA test, at least we have another wonderful and informative EAR/ONS website to spark future investigations.

Yes, Quasar has made a wonderful website.  Yes, Quasar has added valuable insight for many people to investigate this case.  I have been following his online activities long before his EAR website was posted on this board.  I was very impressed with the layout and the way he condensed known information into a very easy to navigate place regarding EAR/ONS.  

No, Quester does not have a credible reputation as an investigator. I have been led down this path by him before with his Zodiac Killer investigation. He refused to give up any information on his suspect 'Beard'.   Quasar himself claims 'clues lead to evidence upon investigation.'  His latest update implies that he does not have evidence for his EAR POI, only clues.  Clues will not get Sacramento to jump on his deceased POI.  How convenient.  Decide on his investigator track record for yourself but don't get upset with others for posting and investigating his update statements.

www.bermuda-triangle.org/html/zodiac__a_man_named_beard.html

Lastly, if my ambition was to catch EAR/ONS and I developed, from following the clues, a POI I was so sure about, I would not post it on the Internet for everyone to see, including the miscreant himself....I would not want to tipoff my POI.  I would not want my POI destroying or disposing single earrings, crystal balls and drivers licenses.  I would go straight to LE, not put the finishing touches on my website.  LE has the final say on what gets investigated.  I don't agree with his methodology and never will.

He has a retired LE dude helping him. What more do you want? As for his Zodiac POI, it's probably going to be impossible to contradict his claims. It's highly unlikely that anyone has any sort of reliable evidence that can identify Z. And the funny thing is, his Z POI (if he actually has one) is nowhere near as crazy as other POIs named by all sorts of people. Bottom line, unless Z happens to be alive and wants to turn himself in, no one can catch him or pin the Z crimes on him.

Oh, and it really doesn't matter if ear is tipped off or not. This is a cold case and LE has reliable DNA, that's all they need.

Wolf,

I'm not trying to bust anybody's chops...really, I'm not...but, per the above, if we don't know GJQ has an actual Zodiac POI, how do we know that that he's "nowhere near as crazy as other POIs named by all sorts of people" I can agree with you on the bit about Zodiac not being solved unless he's still alive and wants to turn himself in. Barring something spectacular and unexpected, I don't think it'll be solved anytime soon...if ever.

[metalhalide]

My conclusion on quasar.average writer at best.has taught me nothing on this case I don't already know.his "out of the box" theories are also average at best.he has no POIs and is as stumped on who this guy is as the rest of us and more importantly the investigators who have worked this case.all this guy is doing is creating a cult fanbase in order to hopefully sell some books on his other tripe.

[Deleted]

May 15, 2015 23:52:15 GMT metalhalide said:

My conclusion on quasar.average writer at best.has taught me nothing on this case I don't already know.his "out of the box" theories are also average at best.he has no POIs and is as stumped on who this guy is as the rest of us and more importantly the investigators who have worked this case.all this guy is doing is creating a cult fanbase in order to hopefully sell some books on his other tripe.

metalhide 

Dude. Don't hold back. Tell us what you really think. 

Humor/off.

[metalhalide]

Lol ☺

[fixintogo]

My take is that he has made a fool of all of us. If he were the EAR, he couldn't have done it better. He has succeeded in:
--Controlling our behavior to check his website repeatedly
--Controlling this blog to get 63 pages of posts and counting
--Enticing a number of people to give him personal information

All this in spite of the fact that he has next-to-zero credentials, can't write worth a dang, has a crappy web site, and exercises poor quality control over both his writing and his investigative "facts." It is an odd reflection on the human race that people want to believe him -- because he is confident, because he is some sort of (fictional) authority figure, because he hints at having something we want very badly, and perhaps most of all because he knows how to manipulate?

[Deleted]

May 15, 2015 20:55:22 GMT ralphakers said:

Does someone have a list of things that were stolen?

Various lists of the things he took exist, but nothing definitive. Stuff like single earrings, rings, drugs, photo ID's, licenses, foor and drink if you count that.... anything that kind of seemed valuable but really didn't make much sense given the nature of his ransackings. In one instance he came across a stack of benjamins but took maybe a fourth of what was right there.

I'll see if I can compile something in the next week or so though, good thought.

[Deleted]

May 16, 2015 1:17:45 GMT fixintogo said:

My take is that he has made a fool of all of us. If he were the EAR, he couldn't have done it better. He has succeeded in:
--Controlling our behavior to check his website repeatedly
--Controlling this blog to get 63 pages of posts and counting
--Enticing a number of people to give him personal information

All this in spite of the fact that he has next-to-zero credentials, can't write worth a dang, has a crappy web site, and exercises poor quality control over both his writing and his investigative "facts." It is an odd reflection on the human race that people want to believe him -- because he is confident, because he is some sort of (fictional) authority figure, because he hints at having something we want very badly, and perhaps most of all because he knows how to manipulate?

Well it's good to see at least some of us aren't total suckers.

[Deleted]

May 16, 2015 1:54:51 GMT @murdoc said:

May 15, 2015 20:55:22 GMT ralphakers said:

Does someone have a list of things that were stolen?

Various lists of the things he took exist, but nothing definitive. Stuff like single earrings, rings, drugs, photo ID's, licenses, foor and drink if you count that.... anything that kind of seemed valuable but really didn't make much sense given the nature of his ransackings. In one instance he came across a stack of benjamins but took maybe a fourth of what was right there.

I'll see if I can compile something in the next week or so though, good thought.

Coins and jewelry made from coins. I can't remember for sure, but I think they found that he tossed the drugs in a neighbor's yard.

[Deleted]

May 16, 2015 1:17:45 GMT fixintogo said:

My take is that he has made a fool of all of us. If he were the EAR, he couldn't have done it better. He has succeeded in:
--Controlling our behavior to check his website repeatedly
--Controlling this blog to get 63 pages of posts and counting
--Enticing a number of people to give him personal information

All this in spite of the fact that he has next-to-zero credentials, can't write worth a dang, has a crappy web site, and exercises poor quality control over both his writing and his investigative "facts." It is an odd reflection on the human race that people want to believe him -- because he is confident, because he is some sort of (fictional) authority figure, because he hints at having something we want very badly, and perhaps most of all because he knows how to manipulate?

Like some other prominent websites about this case?