EAR finally identified?

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May 18, 2015 3:11:14 GMT slumbergirl said:

EAR was thought to be young by the majority of his victims, also. They encountered him in person. We don't know if he was "giving the impression" of being young or if he was actually young.

I tend to side with the impression of the victims - and Quasar, by the way - rather than relying on trying to make an aging POI fit into a profile that nobody, including the vast majority of the victims, agrees with.

No, we don't know for sure whether he was just giving the impression on purpose or if he really was young. So let's analyze it.

Not all of the victims described him as young. Some thought he was considerably older than others did. How is it supposed to be determined which ones were correct? Do we automatically go with the majority description to the exclusion of the other victims' descriptions? Why do we accept some descriptions and not others when they all came from victims that encountered him in person? Is it because we have a preconceived notion that he is young or we've been told that based on the opinion of others?

How many described him as 18 years old?

Taking what the majority say or deriving an average age from the descriptions under the circumstances, has a good chance of being unreliable.

Eyewitness descriptions, even when someone is unmasked, are notoriously faulty. That is well studied and proven - and has been brought up many times on the boards, yet is ignored by most when it comes to EAR. Why is it counted on in this case for a rapist that immediately terrorized the victims and maintained their level of terror, threatened them when they looked at him, remained masked, all but one never saw his full face, it was usually under low lighting conditions, he often tried to mislead, etc? Don't most think EAR often acted and mislead? It seems like most agree on that, but can't accept that he tried to mislead about his age. It is not hard to purposely leave a false impression under the circumstances.

Follow the evidence - the real evidence and not myths or falsehoods perpetuated by some. Aren't there other worthy avenues to explore in this case besides the "young guy that just got lucky" theory? Have the multitude of different LE agencies over the last 39 years been successful in chasing the young guy that fits the mold that some keep insisting fits EAR? Why keep doing the same thing that hasn't worked?

[Cagney]

May 18, 2015 3:29:31 GMT @privatecitizen said:

May 18, 2015 3:09:37 GMT Cagney said:

It's funny you bring up 6'4"...  I have a thought...  Most people on this sight, just dismiss my thoughts..  I have no idea why?  EXCEPT Murdoc -- he listens...  LOL.. 

Here's the deal..  When my brother was 18 he was a little taller than me..  which made him approx.  5'7".. AFter he turned 18 he shot up like a weed.. became approx 6'2"... 

My point is that I think it is quite possible ONS/EAR may have been approx 5'9" to 5'11" during the crimes ..  but may have gotten taller as he aged.. Which may throw some off
if they are looking at the general description of the killer.. 

Any thoughts on this?

Jonkat's POI supposedly had the same thing happen - was considerably shorter and then had a big growth spurt later than most people do.

EXACTLY!!!  let's say someone has a POI that matches EAR/ONS behaviors, like using lot's of lube, eating peanut butter, brings a 'satchel' bag with them when they visited a girlfriend, has a small 'member'   sry.. I know this is very serious...  ok back to my post...  matches some of the 'photos' composites...  etc etc etc...  would a LE check this person out if they are 6'1 or 6'3     And no, I don't know anyone like this BUT if someone does... would they be checked out?

    My second question is::::  I am not a man..  so this is for all men...  IS THAT NORMAL for a man to bring a 'bag' to a girlfirends house and  use LOTS of lube?    And play around with his girlfriend, leave the room come back and fool around again... leave the room  ... you know what I mean...  Does this man have normal behaviors in the bedroom?  I ask this because I have never known a man to act like this  lol... 

[Marcus A.]

May 18, 2015 3:29:31 GMT @privatecitizen said:

May 18, 2015 3:09:37 GMT Cagney said:

It's funny you bring up 6'4"...  I have a thought...  Most people on this sight, just dismiss my thoughts..  I have no idea why?  EXCEPT Murdoc -- he listens...  LOL.. 

Here's the deal..  When my brother was 18 he was a little taller than me..  which made him approx.  5'7".. AFter he turned 18 he shot up like a weed.. became approx 6'2"... 

My point is that I think it is quite possible ONS/EAR may have been approx 5'9" to 5'11" during the crimes ..  but may have gotten taller as he aged.. Which may throw some off
if they are looking at the general description of the killer.. 

Any thoughts on this?

Jonkat's POI supposedly had the same thing happen - was considerably shorter and then had a big growth spurt later than most people do.

[tongue]

May 18, 2015 4:37:27 GMT Cagney said:

May 18, 2015 3:29:31 GMT @privatecitizen said:

Jonkat's POI supposedly had the same thing happen - was considerably shorter and then had a big growth spurt later than most people do.

EXACTLY!!!  let's say someone has a POI that matches EAR/ONS behaviors, like using lot's of lube, eating peanut butter, brings a 'satchel' bag with them when they visited a girlfriend, has a small 'member'   sry.. I know this is very serious...  ok back to my post...  matches some of the 'photos' composites...  etc etc etc...  would a LE check this person out if they are 6'1 or 6'3     And no, I don't know anyone like this BUT if someone does... would they be checked out?

    My second question is::::  I am not a man..  so this is for all men...  IS THAT NORMAL for a man to bring a 'bag' to a girlfirends house and  use LOTS of lube?    And play around with his girlfriend, leave the room come back and fool around again... leave the room  ... you know what I mean...  Does this man have normal behaviors in the bedroom?  I ask this because I have never known a man to act like this  lol... 

 some men use lube but it is not normal for them to leave the room and come back in multiple times..they dont bring bags with them for sexual occasions though lol..many men have strange habits/turn-ons when it comes to sex  so its going to be hard to pin point the ONS due to his sexual behavior early on..

  with the other poster suggesting ONS was mixed race because of the viiolence doled out on victims..im confused, why would he have to be mixed race to commit this level of violence?

[Marcus A.]

May 18, 2015 4:43:59 GMT Marcus A. said:

May 18, 2015 3:29:31 GMT @privatecitizen said:

Jonkat's POI supposedly had the same thing happen - was considerably shorter and then had a big growth spurt later than most people do.

My understanding is LE has footprints from outside the Cruz murder scene. This should answer any questions about later shoe size or growth spurts (in the case of Jonkat's POI)

[Cagney]

May 18, 2015 4:51:38 GMT tongue said:

May 18, 2015 4:37:27 GMT Cagney said:

EXACTLY!!!  let's say someone has a POI that matches EAR/ONS behaviors, like using lot's of lube, eating peanut butter, brings a 'satchel' bag with them when they visited a girlfriend, has a small 'member'   sry.. I know this is very serious...  ok back to my post...  matches some of the 'photos' composites...  etc etc etc...  would a LE check this person out if they are 6'1 or 6'3     And no, I don't know anyone like this BUT if someone does... would they be checked out?

    My second question is::::  I am not a man..  so this is for all men...  IS THAT NORMAL for a man to bring a 'bag' to a girlfirends house and  use LOTS of lube?    And play around with his girlfriend, leave the room come back and fool around again... leave the room  ... you know what I mean...  Does this man have normal behaviors in the bedroom?  I ask this because I have never known a man to act like this  lol... 

 some men use lube but it is not normal for them to leave the room and come back in multiple times..they dont bring bags with them for sexual occasions though lol..many men have strange habits/turn-ons when it comes to sex  so its going to be hard to pin point the ONS due to his sexual behavior early on..

  with the other poster suggesting ONS was mixed race because of the viiolence doled out on victims..im confused, why would he have to be mixed race to commit this level of violence?

yeah   I didnt think that was normal  haha...  I still cant believe he hasnt been caught...  he raped sooo many and killed sooo many.. It seems the only 'real' info is his small size...       we kinda know his height... MAYBE the shoe size...  AND his DNA .. which means absolutely nothing, if we dont have a POI.. 

If I was the LE --- Just to get more possible POI'S ... Have a news conference and ask for the publics help ...  Just ask for the general public to try to remember if they ever dated a man in the late 70's early 80's with the odd behavior in the bedroom...  It seems he ALWAYS acted the same way in most cases!   So I truly believe if he did have a relationship with someone during this time... he may have acted the same way..  And be sure to point out.. because just liKE the DNA .. WE do know he had a smaller size 'willie'   

In the late 70s and early 80's our news media probably tried to stay away with the reporting of the 'nasty' stuff .. so not to offend anyone...  This is 2015 now.. news media has no problems talking about odd sexual crap...

[Cagney]

May 18, 2015 4:56:41 GMT Marcus A. said:

May 18, 2015 4:43:59 GMT Marcus A. said:

My understanding is LE has footprints from outside the Cruz murder scene. This should answer any questions about later shoe size or growth spurts (in the case of Jonkat's POI)

unless we see his bare foot... shoe size may be wrong... anyone can wear a 'wrong' size shoe..

[trabuco]

May 18, 2015 4:51:38 GMT tongue said:

May 18, 2015 4:37:27 GMT Cagney said:

EXACTLY!!!  let's say someone has a POI that matches EAR/ONS behaviors, like using lot's of lube, eating peanut butter, brings a 'satchel' bag with them when they visited a girlfriend, has a small 'member'   sry.. I know this is very serious...  ok back to my post...  matches some of the 'photos' composites...  etc etc etc...  would a LE check this person out if they are 6'1 or 6'3     And no, I don't know anyone like this BUT if someone does... would they be checked out?

    My second question is::::  I am not a man..  so this is for all men...  IS THAT NORMAL for a man to bring a 'bag' to a girlfirends house and  use LOTS of lube?    And play around with his girlfriend, leave the room come back and fool around again... leave the room  ... you know what I mean...  Does this man have normal behaviors in the bedroom?  I ask this because I have never known a man to act like this  lol... 

 some men use lube but it is not normal for them to leave the room and come back in multiple times..they dont bring bags with them for sexual occasions though lol..many men have strange habits/turn-ons when it comes to sex  so its going to be hard to pin point the ONS due to his sexual behavior early on..

  with the other poster suggesting ONS was mixed race because of the viiolence doled out on victims..im confused, why would he have to be mixed race to commit this level of violence?

Because the white women and the level of overkill he used.  A pattern of behavior, replicated, duplicated. Savage overkill on a white woman. Investigating these crimes.  Got to read into it. Make an opening. Many highly educated, brilliant minds have come to wits end. As for myself, I will read someones idea or theory of this or that and do one of two things. One. Support. Agree with them and look into it more. Two. Resolve in my mind nothing to it. Move on. What I won't do is allow one ball bearing, yes I do, to begin turning the gears of my mind in an effort to discredit another theory. Much wasted thinking. Because the less popular theories will, by nature, nurture, will die. The more popular theories will live only because someone else agrees and supports it. Accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative. 

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May 18, 2015 4:56:41 GMT Marcus A. said:

May 18, 2015 4:43:59 GMT Marcus A. said:

My understanding is LE has footprints from outside the Cruz murder scene. This should answer any questions about later shoe size or growth spurts (in the case of Jonkat's POI)

Maybe there's more to the shoeprints. Pool was after a big guy's DNA as a suspect in the murders. I doubt he wore a size 9 or 9 1/2 shoe, but I don't have his shoe size lol. IIrc, some of the shoeprints in some of the Goleta crimes were a size bigger than the usual EAR shoeprints.

[Cagney]

May 18, 2015 5:40:52 GMT trabuco said:

May 18, 2015 4:51:38 GMT tongue said:

 some men use lube but it is not normal for them to leave the room and come back in multiple times..they dont bring bags with them for sexual occasions though lol..many men have strange habits/turn-ons when it comes to sex  so its going to be hard to pin point the ONS due to his sexual behavior early on..

  with the other poster suggesting ONS was mixed race because of the viiolence doled out on victims..im confused, why would he have to be mixed race to commit this level of violence?

Because the white women and the level of overkill he used.  A pattern of behavior, replicated, duplicated. Savage overkill on a white woman. Investigating these crimes.  Got to read into it. Make an opening. Many highly educated, brilliant minds have come to wits end. As for myself, I will read someones idea or theory of this or that and do one of two things. One. Support. Agree with them and look into it more. Two. Resolve in my mind nothing to it. Move on. What I won't do is allow one ball bearing, yes I do, to begin turning the gears of my mind in an effort to discredit another theory. Much wasted thinking. Because the less popular theories will, by nature, nurture, will die. The more popular theories will live only because someone else agrees and supports it. Accentuate the positive, eliminate the negative. 

huh?    So what do you think of what I wrote?

[Cagney]

May 18, 2015 5:49:37 GMT @privatecitizen said:

May 18, 2015 4:56:41 GMT Marcus A. said:

My understanding is LE has footprints from outside the Cruz murder scene. This should answer any questions about later shoe size or growth spurts (in the case of Jonkat's POI)

Maybe there's more to the shoeprints. Pool was after a big guy's DNA as a suspect in the murders. I doubt he wore a size 9 or 9 1/2 shoe, but I don't have his shoe size lol. IIrc, some of the shoeprints in some of the Goleta crimes were a size bigger than the usual EAR shoeprints.

I didnt know that!!  And they were linked by DNA...  SO he did have larger feet..

[trabuco]

May 18, 2015 5:14:55 GMT Cagney said:

May 18, 2015 4:56:41 GMT Marcus A. said:

My understanding is LE has footprints from outside the Cruz murder scene. This should answer any questions about later shoe size or growth spurts (in the case of Jonkat's POI)

unless we see his bare foot... shoe size may be wrong... anyone can wear a 'wrong' size shoe..

Yes, Yes.... And anyone can put the wrong tags on their car and walk slowly away from botched rape scene completely naked with noticeable tan line that made himself appear white by contrast of skin color. Not evasive but deliberately misleading.

What he wanted you to see...............

None of this means that he knew everything about everything.

You can't mislead with something you know nothing about.

[trabuco]

Sorry Nancy, I quoted the wrong post.

[Cagney]

May 18, 2015 5:58:41 GMT trabuco said:

Sorry Nancy, I quoted the wrong post.

Its ok  ...

[Marcus A.]

May 18, 2015 5:14:55 GMT Cagney said:

May 18, 2015 4:56:41 GMT Marcus A. said:

My understanding is LE has footprints from outside the Cruz murder scene. This should answer any questions about later shoe size or growth spurts (in the case of Jonkat's POI)

unless we see his bare foot... shoe size may be wrong... anyone can wear a 'wrong' size shoe..

yes, very true, but much more difficult for a size 12 to walk around in a size 10 (than vice versa).