Stolen cars?

[crow]

Jun 29, 2016 13:24:55 GMT goodygumdrop said:

Jun 29, 2016 8:06:53 GMT crow said:

I find it incredibly arrogant that some of you are going out of your way to discard his use of cars. Unbelievable. You're literally just picking clues that fit your theory and ignoring others 'cos they don't. That's practically the definition of bad investigation work... you just need to frame an innocent guy and you're all set.

I haven't seen anyone suggest that he never used a car.  A few of us have pointed out that not every car described in the days after crimes as being in the neighborhood was necessarily connected to the crimes.  A guy slowing down to check out a girl in a bikini might be worth mentioning but it's proof of nothing.  Likewise with various cars seen parked in the neighborhoods: some of them might very well be connected; some of them might not. 

Not everyone agrees that this feller had 'special access' to numerous cars.  It's definitely an interesting angle worth looking into and if you feel particularly strongly about looking into it that's great. 


PS

There is plenty of debate about the other items you mentioned:  sketches, phone calls, etc.  That's why these boards exist...so people can discuss and debate the many clues, hopefully in a friendly manner. 

Just at the top of this page someone is suggesting he might not have used a car.
Last week someone insisted EAR rode his bike about 100 - 200 miles each day back and forth just to get to the neighborhoods..... because he had big calves. He then ridiculed everyone who questioned his theory although he didn't have a clue about the case.

I don't feel particularly strongly about this compared to the rest of this case..... I feel extremely strongly about everything that has to do with this investigation.

There are no one blatantly denying the other parts of this case that you mention. Not in the same degree. The sketches may not be good, but no one ever says "the sketches are not even EAR" and "we can't trust the witnesses description of his disguises at all".... and if someone does that they will have a solid argument or they wont be taken seriously.

Ironically many of the people who don't believe he used cars says he rode a bike.

How many times was he spotted fleeing on a bike? 2 times...? 3?

How many times did he actually steal a victims car?

People focus on the stuff that fits their theory and ignore the rest. That really annoys me.... and that is what the conflict is about.

PS: It should be in a friendly and constructive manner.... passionate and serious.... but when someone addresses me with "I think you may have a reading comprehension problem" that friendly manner goes out the window. I'm not tolerating that kind of disrespect. There are plenty of folks in this debate that have a different opinion than me, but we don't have to insult each other, so we have a constructive dialogue.

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Crow, that was probably a poor choice of words for me to use, for that I apologize. I honestly felt that you were not understanding my post to you. You came right back at me with the words "completely ridiculous"? I was actually trying to agree with you! I never said he did not use cars. I am a firm believer that he used a car/cars. I just don't buy into all the suspicious vehicles sited. I don't buy into all the sketches either. No one has ever come out and said "This is the exact vehicle the perpetrator was seen driving". I was trying to convey to you that this is an "example" of why this guy still walks among us. LE was throwing out all kinds of useless information while keeping the important evidence to themselves and it looks like it is true to the day.

Since this is a thread about stolen vehicles I will give you my take on that. To me it would make the odds of getting caught go way up. I'm not saying it is not true, I'm just saying that here is this guy breaking into houses, coming back and raping women, stealing bikes maybe even cars and yet he is NEVER caught at doing anything? You must agree that including car thief to his resume increases the odds of his capture, but yet it didn't. Could anyone be that lucky? I guess so. I absolutely do NOT dismiss the idea of him stealing cars. Hell, he did everything else.

[crow]

Jun 29, 2016 15:01:22 GMT @hotsecond said:

Crow, that was probably a poor choice of words for me to use, for that I apologize. I honestly felt that you were not understanding my post to you. You came right back at me with the words "completely ridiculous"? I was actually trying to agree with you! I never said he did not use cars. I am a firm believer that he used a car/cars. I just don't buy into all the suspicious vehicles sited. I don't buy into all the sketches either. No one has ever come out and said "This is the exact vehicle the perpetrator was seen driving". I was trying to convey to you that this is an "example" of why this guy still walks among us. LE was throwing out all kinds of useless information while keeping the important evidence to themselves and it looks like it is true to the day.

Since this is a thread about stolen vehicles I will give you my take on that. To me it would make the odds of getting caught go way up. I'm not saying it is not true, I'm just saying that here is this guy breaking into houses, coming back and raping women, stealing bikes maybe even cars and yet he is NEVER caught at doing anything? You must agree that including car thief to his resume increases the odds of his capture, but yet it didn't. Could anyone be that lucky? I guess so. I absolutely do NOT dismiss the idea of him stealing cars. Hell, he did everything else.

No worries..... I apologize as well..... I'm one hell of a stubborn bastard sometimes....

I didn't mean to get into an argument with you all.

Frankly, I respect people on this board very much, as everyone is trying to do something good and catch that horrible person.

Didn't mean to be an a**hole.... sorry.

We should all be friends on here with the goal we have in sight, so thank you for reaching out.

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Jun 29, 2016 17:04:02 GMT crow said:

Jun 29, 2016 15:01:22 GMT @hotsecond said:

Crow, that was probably a poor choice of words for me to use, for that I apologize. I honestly felt that you were not understanding my post to you. You came right back at me with the words "completely ridiculous"? I was actually trying to agree with you! I never said he did not use cars. I am a firm believer that he used a car/cars. I just don't buy into all the suspicious vehicles sited. I don't buy into all the sketches either. No one has ever come out and said "This is the exact vehicle the perpetrator was seen driving". I was trying to convey to you that this is an "example" of why this guy still walks among us. LE was throwing out all kinds of useless information while keeping the important evidence to themselves and it looks like it is true to the day.

Since this is a thread about stolen vehicles I will give you my take on that. To me it would make the odds of getting caught go way up. I'm not saying it is not true, I'm just saying that here is this guy breaking into houses, coming back and raping women, stealing bikes maybe even cars and yet he is NEVER caught at doing anything? You must agree that including car thief to his resume increases the odds of his capture, but yet it didn't. Could anyone be that lucky? I guess so. I absolutely do NOT dismiss the idea of him stealing cars. Hell, he did everything else.

No worries..... I apologize as well..... I'm one hell of a stubborn bastard sometimes....

I didn't mean to get into an argument with you all.

Frankly, I respect people on this board very much, as everyone is trying to do something good and catch that horrible person.

Didn't mean to be an a**hole.... sorry.

We should all be friends on here with the goal we have in sight, so thank you for reaching out.

Thank you! This is such a heart wrenching and frustrating case. It is near impossible to convey what one is truly trying to say. I appreciate your contributions!

[crow]

Jun 29, 2016 18:04:18 GMT @hotsecond said:

Jun 29, 2016 17:04:02 GMT crow said:

No worries..... I apologize as well..... I'm one hell of a stubborn bastard sometimes....

I didn't mean to get into an argument with you all.

Frankly, I respect people on this board very much, as everyone is trying to do something good and catch that horrible person.

Didn't mean to be an a**hole.... sorry.

We should all be friends on here with the goal we have in sight, so thank you for reaching out.

Thank you! This is such a heart wrenching and frustrating case. It is near impossible to convey what one is truly trying to say. I appreciate your contributions!

Thanks! Ditto!

It's just so f**kin' frustrating that every lead we have seems to be a rabbit hole in a rabbit hole.... this is honestly the deepest case I have ever known off. Almost makes Jack The Ripper look pretty straight forward.

Not car/bike related, but just the hand drawn map.... I mean.... it's just a little piece to the puzzle, but once we go into that we can spend months analyzing it without getting none the wiser.

It's mind boggling.

And once again I must say that I truly respect you all..... we all want to do something good.... it's just such a frustrating case.
The really mad thing is that it's not just the 40 years, 'cos the detectives who were there seem to have had the exact same feeling back then.

[almagata]

Jun 29, 2016 13:15:26 GMT brokenlink said:

I am certain he stole more than one vehicle...He stole more than one victims vehicle and drove it away. Dog in the trunk anyone? Even the strange car reports had the same vehicle showing up more than once. Disregarding these reports and the possibility that he used / stole cars is wholly irresponsible.
Edited to add: I do not want to derail the thread but This is like assuming he did not smoke because he could run and no victims reported he smelled like smoke. When in reality at least one victim did report he smelled of smoke.

BL,

I have three documented instances where EAR stole cars from victims

#4       9/4/76        Carmichael                29 year old accosted in her parents driveway           Car was found about a mile away
#8      10/18/76     Rancho Cordova       19 year old accosted in her driveway                        Car was found on a nearby street
#11    1/19/77       La Riviera                  25 year old accosted in her home                            Car was found in a nearby apartment complex

Yes there is proof that he was also a car thief but these cases seem to indicate that EAR had a fallback position where he likely had another vehicle stashed outside of the immediate area of the attack.   #4 & #8 appear to have been attacks that were spontaneous rather than planned since the women were attacked in the driveway.  Perhaps #11 was also spontaneous even with his breaking a window to enter the house that night.   All of these attacks were early in EAR's spree. 

[paul]

I don't think cars are very important to the EAR/ONS case. All the evidence points to him parking his car quite aways away from the house he would attack so most of the suspicious cars seen were all probably not his as he would be smart enough to bring such an identifiable thing with him when he was acting suspicious.

[El Chucklehead]

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Stealing cars won't solve his case, although i can understand. As a boy i endured having a mom and dad who were in the iron and steal business. Yes while mom ironed, Dad stole...

[observer]

If he ever got caught stealing cars it could help reduce (or add to) the suspect list.

Hypothetical example:
Male, age 16, grand theft auto Sacramento 1973

The fbi probably already sifted through this data and found no hits

[michravera]

Jun 27, 2016 21:14:57 GMT prahasaurus said:

On a related note, I think this is an angle that could possible lead to his arrest. How did he have access to so many cars, oftentimes for weeks or months at a time? He seemed to use a different car for each stake out. They were mainly old cars. I know others have expanded on this, and it's a major part of their profile for EAR. It's a huge issue on the Quester File site. It seems to make a lot of sense, and let's face it, we have so little other info to go on...

Ride a bike to a conveniently located car at 2:30 AM less than a kilometer away. Stash it so that it won't get stolen. Borrow the car. Return it to within a couple of centimeters of its original location by 4:30 AM. Head off on the bike. Even I, the paperboy, may never have seen that it was ever moved (unless I got out REALLY early that morning). The owners don't even notice that the car had been driven. It would be really handy, if this were a car that were shared amongst three or four people so that no one ever knew the exact odometer reading. Delivering newspapers in the early morning hours in College Greens and Glenbrook, I saw lots of things that other people would consider bizarre. To me, they were just happenings in the neighborhood. Was that someone returning from a date at 5AM? or was that someone going to work? or coming home from work? Was that a guy climbing out of his girlfriend's window or a burglar entering? Was that a cop on a night off who couldn't sleep going to the 7-11 for a pack of cigarettes or a couple coming out of the river parkway after as tryst or a couple of stoners who had been in the park and lost track of time? Or was it EAR? I am sure that I saw everything but the last. And how would I know? Take off the ski mask and maybe he's the milkman!