Excitement's Crave and "The Book of Discipline" (parallels?)
Jul 9, 2016 20:16:46 GMT
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Post by cornbread on Jul 9, 2016 20:16:46 GMT
This is, admittedly, a super-long post! But I’m hoping that maybe there could be something here, although I realize it’s probably a gigantic reach. That said, these Buddhist poems/sutras are written in a recognizable traditional “style,” if you will, one that is not too far removed from “Excitement’s Crave.”
Anyways, I decided to search for phrases not as obvious as “your deserving pest” and “all those mortals surviving birth” and go with shorter ones. After searching “seeking lore,” I happened upon this. Lots of parallels (which just might be the case with any prose of any real length), but also some interesting theme parallels and phrasing/linguistic similarities.
Just throwing this out there -- perhaps EAR was like many young men of that time period, cobbling together a personal belief system (however whack-a-doo) out of many texts?
Anyways, thought some of it interesting to share. Perhaps this could be a general, newer non-SDA religion thread or something at the least.
The link to the text is here:
www.archive.org/stream/bookofdiscipline15hornuoft/bookofdiscipline15hornuoft_djvu.txt
CB
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Excitement's Crave
All those mortal's surviving birth
Upon facing maturity,
Take inventory of their worth
To prevailing society.
Choosing values becomes a task;
Oneself must seek satisfaction.
The selected route will unmask
Character when plans take action
Accepting some work to perform
At fixed pay, but promise for more,
Is a recognized social norm,
As is decorum, seeking lore.
Achieving while others lifting
Should be cause for deserving fame.
Leisure tempts excitement seeking,
What's right and expected seems tame.
"Jessie James" has been seen by all,
And "Son of Sam" has an author.
Others now feel temptations call.
Sacramento should make an offer.
To make a movie of my life
That will pay for my planned exile.
Just now I'd like to add the wife
Of a Mafia lord to my file.
Your East Area Rapist
And deserving pest
See you in the press or on T.V.
--------
THE BOOK OF DISCIPLINE
(Vinaya Pitaka)
TRANSLATED BY E. M. HARE
The Way to the Beyond
Who finds and knows, that man is here
The ' lore-adept ' : loosed from this bond
For aye becoming this or that,*
He, craving passed, gone stir and hope,
Hath crossed, I say, birth and decay."’
-------------
Be It from things seen, heard, felt, rule or rite,
'Tis by acceptance just of all therein
That he doth see all else as lacking worth.
----
When, trusting, he sees all else lacking worth ;
Hence, verily, let no monk place his trust
In things seen, heard or felt, in rule or rite.
------
Who craving wholly cutteth off ^
Earnest, resolved for craving's end,
Listener, alert, not hesitant,
Striver, assured, with Dharma summed.
The teacher ! Thou, the sage
O'er Mara triumphing,
Hast cut all leanings off,
And, crossed thyself, dost help
Mortality to cross.
----
The all-discreet who all hath overcome,
All found and known, by all things is unsoiled,
Him, rid of all, released in craving's end.
Him the rapt musers know as silent sage.
Fared the god-faring, seeking lore and way.
They went not with another caste nor bought
Their wives ; but wed thro' love, in concord divelt.
Save near the time of season-abstinence,
Brahmans elsewise had never intercourse.
--
In lore and end, has the god-fearing fared :
Timely on him let brahman seeking merit
---
In whom no craving spreads,
In monk who cuts the stream,
Rid of all toils and tasks.
No tret is found or known,"
----
Wayfarer him they call.
Who, cloaked in piety,
Is froward, boaster, cheat
Of clansmen, unrestrained,
A babbler, masked in mode :
They call him fraud-of-Way.
---
What action best becomes the listener :
For him who goes from home to homelessness,
And for the home-abiding devotees ?
--
and by his own knowledge did he realize it, here and now ;
and he knew ' Birth is destroyed, lived is the godly life, done is
what had to be done, there is no more of this state.'
-------
With faith that men-of-worth
By Dharma cool attain,
He earnest, fain to hear,
With wit shall wisdom gain.
Hath found and known the end of birth-and-death,
Cool man, cool as the waters of a lake,
Oblation-worthy is the Man-thus-come .'
---
Whence pray, the source of dear things in the world
And all the greed that in the world prevails ?
Desire's the source of dear things in the world
And all the greed that in the world prevails :
From that is hoping's and fulfilment's source,
Which bring man to the common lot beyond."
Anyways, I decided to search for phrases not as obvious as “your deserving pest” and “all those mortals surviving birth” and go with shorter ones. After searching “seeking lore,” I happened upon this. Lots of parallels (which just might be the case with any prose of any real length), but also some interesting theme parallels and phrasing/linguistic similarities.
Just throwing this out there -- perhaps EAR was like many young men of that time period, cobbling together a personal belief system (however whack-a-doo) out of many texts?
Anyways, thought some of it interesting to share. Perhaps this could be a general, newer non-SDA religion thread or something at the least.
The link to the text is here:
www.archive.org/stream/bookofdiscipline15hornuoft/bookofdiscipline15hornuoft_djvu.txt
CB
----------
Excitement's Crave
All those mortal's surviving birth
Upon facing maturity,
Take inventory of their worth
To prevailing society.
Choosing values becomes a task;
Oneself must seek satisfaction.
The selected route will unmask
Character when plans take action
Accepting some work to perform
At fixed pay, but promise for more,
Is a recognized social norm,
As is decorum, seeking lore.
Achieving while others lifting
Should be cause for deserving fame.
Leisure tempts excitement seeking,
What's right and expected seems tame.
"Jessie James" has been seen by all,
And "Son of Sam" has an author.
Others now feel temptations call.
Sacramento should make an offer.
To make a movie of my life
That will pay for my planned exile.
Just now I'd like to add the wife
Of a Mafia lord to my file.
Your East Area Rapist
And deserving pest
See you in the press or on T.V.
--------
THE BOOK OF DISCIPLINE
(Vinaya Pitaka)
TRANSLATED BY E. M. HARE
The Way to the Beyond
Who finds and knows, that man is here
The ' lore-adept ' : loosed from this bond
For aye becoming this or that,*
He, craving passed, gone stir and hope,
Hath crossed, I say, birth and decay."’
-------------
Be It from things seen, heard, felt, rule or rite,
'Tis by acceptance just of all therein
That he doth see all else as lacking worth.
----
When, trusting, he sees all else lacking worth ;
Hence, verily, let no monk place his trust
In things seen, heard or felt, in rule or rite.
------
Who craving wholly cutteth off ^
Earnest, resolved for craving's end,
Listener, alert, not hesitant,
Striver, assured, with Dharma summed.
The teacher ! Thou, the sage
O'er Mara triumphing,
Hast cut all leanings off,
And, crossed thyself, dost help
Mortality to cross.
----
The all-discreet who all hath overcome,
All found and known, by all things is unsoiled,
Him, rid of all, released in craving's end.
Him the rapt musers know as silent sage.
Fared the god-faring, seeking lore and way.
They went not with another caste nor bought
Their wives ; but wed thro' love, in concord divelt.
Save near the time of season-abstinence,
Brahmans elsewise had never intercourse.
--
In lore and end, has the god-fearing fared :
Timely on him let brahman seeking merit
---
In whom no craving spreads,
In monk who cuts the stream,
Rid of all toils and tasks.
No tret is found or known,"
----
Wayfarer him they call.
Who, cloaked in piety,
Is froward, boaster, cheat
Of clansmen, unrestrained,
A babbler, masked in mode :
They call him fraud-of-Way.
---
What action best becomes the listener :
For him who goes from home to homelessness,
And for the home-abiding devotees ?
--
and by his own knowledge did he realize it, here and now ;
and he knew ' Birth is destroyed, lived is the godly life, done is
what had to be done, there is no more of this state.'
-------
With faith that men-of-worth
By Dharma cool attain,
He earnest, fain to hear,
With wit shall wisdom gain.
Hath found and known the end of birth-and-death,
Cool man, cool as the waters of a lake,
Oblation-worthy is the Man-thus-come .'
---
Whence pray, the source of dear things in the world
And all the greed that in the world prevails ?
Desire's the source of dear things in the world
And all the greed that in the world prevails :
From that is hoping's and fulfilment's source,
Which bring man to the common lot beyond."
.
