When will we know?

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Oct 30, 2013 20:23:57 GMT Drifter said:

Oct 30, 2013 11:25:11 GMT lepke said:

I don't know who would put the money up, but a large reward for information leading to a conviction, or maybe even identification, seems to make sense to me.

If there was a $1,000,000 reward, that prompted someone to come forward, when they otherwise might not have, then law enforcement would not have to keep working on this case endlessly, being paid their salaries to do that, rather than whatever else...

If a large reward, and all other evidence that law enforcement could possibly release, was part of a national media campaign about EAR/ONS, then I think that that would be the best possible chance, of a member of the public helping crack the case.

A huge financial reward would flood LE with useless "tips".

Posters here just won't give up the idea that max publicity will solve this case.
 

How was the unabomber caught? His writings were published in newspapers across the country.
How was Elizabeth Smart found?  America'a Most Wanted did a story on her.
How many cases did Unsolved Mysteries solve? More than 50 percent of the wanted fugitives profiled on Unsolved Mysteries have been captured—most as a result of tips from our viewers. Unsolved Mysteries has contributed to over 100 family reunions, and helped prove the innocence of seven people convicted of crimes they did not commit.
How many fugitives did America's Most Wanted catch? Over 1200 fugitives captured thanks to this show.

I wonder how America's Most Wanted does it? Some how they do it.  I am sure that they get their share of useless tips....yet they have managed to come up with information that has led to the capture of 1200 fugitives.

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Oct 30, 2013 22:43:23 GMT redding said:

Oct 30, 2013 20:23:57 GMT Drifter said:

A huge financial reward would flood LE with useless "tips".

Posters here just won't give up the idea that max publicity will solve this case.
 

How was the unabomber caught?

Excellent point. Minimal publicity sure hasn't done the trick.

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Oct 30, 2013 22:48:18 GMT valentina said:

Oct 30, 2013 22:43:23 GMT redding said:

How was the unabomber caught?

Excellent point. Minimal publicity sure hasn't done the trick.

Thanks.  LE in this case won't even mention this case on their own websites.  Unless they already know who the GSK is, I cannot fathom why they would not hold a press conference in Sacramento to draw attention to this case.  It makes no sense for Larry Pool to do news interviews in SoCal while not bothering to do one in Sacramento.  You can get a Southwest flight for 200 bucks round trip and be back home the same day.

[Drifter]

Oct 30, 2013 22:43:23 GMT redding said:

Oct 30, 2013 20:23:57 GMT Drifter said:

A huge financial reward would flood LE with useless "tips".

Posters here just won't give up the idea that max publicity will solve this case.
 

How was the unabomber caught? His writings were published in newspapers across the country.
How was Elizabeth Smart found?  America'a Most Wanted did a story on her.
How many cases did Unsolved Mysteries solve? More than 50 percent of the wanted fugitives profiled on Unsolved Mysteries have been captured—most as a result of tips from our viewers. Unsolved Mysteries has contributed to over 100 family reunions, and helped prove the innocence of seven people convicted of crimes they did not commit.
How many fugitives did America's Most Wanted catch? Over 1200 fugitives captured thanks to this show.

I wonder how America's Most Wanted does it? Some how they do it.  I am sure that they get their share of useless tips....yet they have managed to come up with information that has led to the capture of 1200 fugitives.

The unabomber is not the Golden State Killer.

Elizabeth Smart is not the Golden State Killer.

I would argue that dredging up the names of captured criminals distracts from the case of the East Area Rapist / Original Night Stalker.  Such criminals may be interesting, but none of them operated in exactly the same way as the Golden State Killer; none of them had exactly the same motivations, temperament, emotional state, or background as the GSK.  Further, unlike the GSK, they all made some mistake that led to their capture.

The presumption here is always the same ... that max publicity will generate leads that will solve the case.  Has max publicity solved the Zodiac case?

For max publicity to work, there has to be some person or persons, either acquaintances or relatives, who know the identity of the Golden State Killer.  Why do posters here insist that such acquaintances or relatives currently exist?  What evidence supports that presumption?

Can you not accept the possibility that the guy had no close friends, no employee relations, and that his parents are deceased?

Can you not accept the possibility that the guy was a loner? 

[jigisup]

No man -- not even a serial killer -- is an island.

[Drifter]

Oct 31, 2013 2:00:32 GMT jigisup said:

No man -- not even a serial killer -- is an island.

It's been thirty years.  Neither conventional thinking nor popular ideas have solved this case.

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Oct 31, 2013 2:00:32 GMT jigisup said:

No man -- not even a serial killer -- is an island.

You are correct.  Hundreds of people know who this guy is.  He grew up somewhere.  Classmates, neighbors, friends and family.

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Oct 31, 2013 5:30:56 GMT redding said:

Oct 31, 2013 2:00:32 GMT jigisup said:

No man -- not even a serial killer -- is an island.

You are correct.  Hundreds of people know who this guy is.  He grew up somewhere.  Classmates, neighbors, friends and family.

"Hundreds of people know who this guy is".

redding ... name one.

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Oct 31, 2013 5:34:10 GMT Drifter said:

Oct 31, 2013 5:30:56 GMT redding said:

You are correct.  Hundreds of people know who this guy is.  He grew up somewhere.  Classmates, neighbors, friends and family.

"Hundreds of people know who this guy is".

redding ... name one.

Well.  He went to high school somewhere.  Average senior class would be around two hundred.  Loner or not people know who this guy is.

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Oct 31, 2013 5:44:19 GMT redding said:

Oct 31, 2013 5:34:10 GMT Drifter said:

"Hundreds of people know who this guy is".

redding ... name one.

Well.  He went to high school somewhere.  Average senior class would be around two hundred.  Loner or not people know who this guy is.

Yes, he no doubt was known in high school and other places (my guess would be the military).  But only by his real name (say John Doe), not by his title of East Area Rapist or Original Night Stalker.

What I'm getting at is that in the last thirty years nobody has been able to connect "John Doe" to the "East Area Rapist".  And I would suggest that it is unlikely that maximum publicity would alter that fact.

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Oct 31, 2013 5:51:11 GMT Drifter said:

Oct 31, 2013 5:44:19 GMT redding said:

Well.  He went to high school somewhere.  Average senior class would be around two hundred.  Loner or not people know who this guy is.

Yes, he no doubt was known in high school and other places (my guess would be the military).  But only by his real name (say John Doe), not by his title of East Area Rapist or Original Night Stalker.

What I'm getting at is that in the last thirty years nobody has been able to connect "John Doe" to the "East Area Rapist".  And I would suggest that it is unlikely that maximum publicity would alter that fact.

Well that's your opinion.  Meanwhile LE in Sacramento are asking people who know someone who worked in construction and moved to Socal in the late seventies to give them a call.  Apparently feel like publicity might bring in the tip that they need.  LE in Goleta are making a similar appeal, and Larry Pool recently did a news interview as well.  I guess maybe you should call these guys up and tell them they don't know what they are doing. IMO they have the right idea the just need to make a better effort.

[lepke]

Offering a large reward is definitely worth a shot; you never know who could put two and two together, and actually make four. It does not have to be someone who EAR/ONS would even think of, and if the investigators want to catch him while he is still alive, they need to try every reasonable method of doing that. Below is a great example of a wanted fugitive, captured as a result of someone calling in to collect a large reward:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitey_Bulger#Capture

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Oct 31, 2013 11:06:07 GMT lepke said:

Offering a large reward is definitely worth a shot; you never know who could put two and two together, and actually make four. It does not have to be someone who EAR/ONS would even think of, and if the investigators want to catch him while he is still alive, they need to try every reasonable method of doing that. Below is a great example of a wanted fugitive, captured as a result of someone calling in to collect a large reward:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whitey_Bulger#Capture

Excellent example.  Another example is the baby hope case that was recently solved by handing out fliers in a neighborhood connected to her murder......22 years after the crime.  The key thing about the baby hope case is that they targeted a specific neighborhood that they believed was connected to the case.  

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sadly i dont think this guy will ever be found or identified, much less brought to justice..i have a feeling that he is still alive..

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Oct 31, 2013 5:44:19 GMT redding said:

Oct 31, 2013 5:34:10 GMT Drifter said:

"Hundreds of people know who this guy is".

redding ... name one.

Well.  He went to high school somewhere.  Average senior class would be around two hundred.  Loner or not people know who this guy is.

  maybe he dropped out at 16..?no doubt people know who he is but he is obviously very good at hiding his true persona..