GSK Map

[northernjustice]

Jul 10, 2014 20:49:02 GMT sfbay said:

Compare this actual survey drawing of @wynnewoodestates (Wynnewood Estates) from the early 60's to the methods used in the GSK Map:

www.brynmawr.edu/cities/archx/05-600/proj/p2/gglrh/NewFiles/1961_wynnewood%20copy.gif

...and it would seems like someone has had some formal training and/or familiarity with these methods.

That is a good observation. Something I've pointed out before (probably earlier in this thread), is that he was very specific about the shapes of houses and other relatively minor details (skylights on buildings, etc.). What stands out in the other map you linked are the unique shapes of the houses.

While I don't think the GSK map is anywhere near professional quality, it does suggest some familiarity with residential map drawing. There are countless jobs that would use similar styles of maps, though, so it's not really a solid lead without having more info.

I have speculated before that he may have drawn the map based on what he observed during his prowls, but I think that would be next to impossible. I have also wondered if he was looking at a more professional map of a certain area and simply drew his own copy for his own purposes.

There are many areas (particularly country club type neighborhoods) in the EAR's attack radius that have similar features to the map that was found, but so far I haven't found one that was convincing enough for me to lend any real weight to it. I did find this one in Roseville that has a very similarly shaped lake with a neighborhood that has some fairly similar cul-de-sac type roads around it. There is also a commercial/light-industrial type of area nearby (though not in the exact arrangement as on the GSK map). The only thing is that this development seems very new (though it's hard to place a year on it). If we could figure out when it was actually built it may tell us something, though.
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[Agent99 aka Sandia]

Jul 14, 2014 20:50:23 GMT northernjustice said:

Jul 10, 2014 20:49:02 GMT sfbay said:

Compare this actual survey drawing of @wynnewoodestates (Wynnewood Estates) from the early 60's to the methods used in the GSK Map:

www.brynmawr.edu/cities/archx/05-600/proj/p2/gglrh/NewFiles/1961_wynnewood%20copy.gif

...and it would seems like someone has had some formal training and/or familiarity with these methods.

That is a good observation. Something I've pointed out before (probably earlier in this thread), is that he was very specific about the shapes of houses and other relatively minor details (skylights on buildings, etc.). What stands out in the other map you linked are the unique shapes of the houses.

While I don't think the GSK map is anywhere near professional quality, it does suggest some familiarity with residential map drawing. There are countless jobs that would use similar styles of maps, though, so it's not really a solid lead without having more info.

I have speculated before that he may have drawn the map based on what he observed during his prowls, but I think that would be next to impossible. I have also wondered if he was looking at a more professional map of a certain area and simply drew his own copy for his own purposes.

There are many areas (particularly country club type neighborhoods) in the EAR's attack radius that have similar features to the map that was found, but so far I haven't found one that was convincing enough for me to lend any real weight to it. I did find this one in Roseville that has a very similarly shaped lake with a neighborhood that has some fairly similar cul-de-sac type roads around it. There is also a commercial/light-industrial type of area nearby (though not in the exact arrangement as on the GSK map). The only thing is that this development seems very new (though it's hard to place a year on it). If we could figure out when it was actually built it may tell us something, though.
 

All very good points.  I noticed the roofing angles on the found map.  I don't think such detail of housing shapes and roof angles would be a result of his prowling.  To me it indicates something of his profession.  Not landscaping, a landscaper would not be interested in roofing angles and skylights and air conditioning. It also seems to be an aerial view.  This leave out painting contractors and looks to be like a developer. 

I wonder too if there were no homes at all, just land and this was a rough plan for a future development but then there is the blacked out house.  That blacked out house changed my mind on that, so now I think this was an existing neighborhood.  It could be that it was not completely built.  Perhaps it was in the construction stage, not all homes were completed.  Homes are built in stages perhaps just a few streets at a time. Could be that due to budget problems the lake never happened and it became a green belt altering the way the homes would be constructed along the shore.  I've always noticed how some streets seem to jut into the lake, perhaps that feature never happened.

I remember how a person in Sudden Terror was picked up from the airport on 6/22/78 in Modesto and dropped off by a housing project that was in the framing stages and the cab driver found it odd to drop someone off there.   

By the way Laguna Blanca in the Exclusive neighborhood of Hope Ranch in Santa Barbara is going dry due to the drought.  It has been in the news of late.  I think it has been allowed to go dry due to the water shortage.  yankeebarbareno.com/2011/10/01/laguna-blanca-lake/

I wonder if a feature that did not change is the freeway exits and the commercial buildings around the neighborhood, or was everything in the planning stages and was this a fantasy future projection of what was to be. 

I imagine LE has researched looking for this neighborhood extensively BUT they have limited manpower on this very old (but not  cold case).  So I wonder just how much they really could delve into looking for this neighborhood considering they have current crimes to solve and limited budgets. 

What is so hopeful is that we have so many members and people that have not signed up that are now interested in this case and hopefully with so many armchair detectives interested now, somebody is going to find it.  Then we could look into the developers and the various people involved and wouldn't it be interesting if we make a connection to the Calle Real, Goleta, (paint chip clue project) or to Berkus homes. 

The Smith's and the Harringtons not only lived in Berkus built homes but in the same model and the Berkus model homes were right in between both Janelle and Manuella's homes.  I don't know if they lived in Berkus homes too but they lived very close to the models.

This map, construction, Berkus connection is really interesting.

[northernjustice]

The lake is really all we have to go on with the map and since the name doesn't come close to any known bodies of water, we have to assume it's an "unofficial" neighborhood lake or located in an area where we never would have imagined it. I believe it's more promising to assume that if it's a real neighborhood, it is located more toward Northern California. If it were located in Southern California it would tie the EAR to the south before his actual move, which could make things more interesting.

[bender]

Greetings from a first time poster. Where can the original, unaltered map (with freeway ramps and torn binding) be found? Thanks. Bender

[pendleton]

You'll find quite a few different representations of the map (including the original) in this thread:

earonsgsk.proboards.com/thread/37/gsk-map

[bender]

Thanks. Looked through every page of that thread and still can't find the uncropped original.

[bender]

Thanks. I looked through every page of that article and found reference to the notebook, but could find no images of the map. Have they been removed?

[casesolverforfun]

Could the map be a preliminary sketch of Bishop Ranch in San Ramon? There are definitely some things that don't match but it is right off 680. Construction began in 1978. The water portion seems like it could match depending on which way you turn it. The freeway off/on ramp looks similar.

www.bishopranch.com/about-br/history

[gskonstracker]

Jul 14, 2013 5:31:27 GMT gskonstracker said:

Jul 13, 2013 16:26:16 GMT truthandsoul said:

Ok, I'm confused; so did newsleuth "make up" those annotations? or do they know what the map is to? or was there enough of the EAR's writing to annotate?

I'm sorry to confuse you. The only writing on the map from GSK is the writing in the center where it looks like "Lake". The black and white image is the actual image. Newsleuth put the annotations in. He has credentials as a planner and was interpreting the image from his years of experience. Not all of it is correct. I've searched out and studied anything that looks close for several months. The color picture is useful, but I believe that the big group of buildings are part of a resort hotel with a pool, not a shopping center. It's clearly a golf course/residential community of some sort. The back of the map has "punishment" written across it, making it more likely than not that it is from GSK. I think Larry Pool thought it was a fantasy map or part of a homework assignment. Parts of it look traced, so it might be partially real and partially made up. I'm looking to find out if it is a real place or not. If it is, then it's possible that the scribbled in house, was a target.

Here's the back of the map:

I was looking at this page and decided to google the term "comes from milling." This is what came up

"Alabaster Pigment, which comes from milling Earthroot, Peacebloom, or Silverleaf."

Maybe these are notes from art class? If you google "comes from milling" and the term "ink" you will find multiple examples of this term. What could the herb be that comes from milling? Henna?

printwiki.org/Ink

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Jul 29, 2014 5:40:50 GMT gskonstracker said:

Jul 14, 2013 5:31:27 GMT gskonstracker said:

I'm sorry to confuse you. The only writing on the map from GSK is the writing in the center where it looks like "Lake". The black and white image is the actual image. Newsleuth put the annotations in. He has credentials as a planner and was interpreting the image from his years of experience. Not all of it is correct. I've searched out and studied anything that looks close for several months. The color picture is useful, but I believe that the big group of buildings are part of a resort hotel with a pool, not a shopping center. It's clearly a golf course/residential community of some sort. The back of the map has "punishment" written across it, making it more likely than not that it is from GSK. I think Larry Pool thought it was a fantasy map or part of a homework assignment. Parts of it look traced, so it might be partially real and partially made up. I'm looking to find out if it is a real place or not. If it is, then it's possible that the scribbled in house, was a target.

Here's the back of the map:

I was looking at this page and decided to google the term "comes from milling." This is what came up

"Alabaster Pigment, which comes from milling Earthroot, Peacebloom, or Silverleaf."

Maybe these are notes from art class? If you google "comes from milling" and the term "ink" you will find multiple examples of this term. What could the herb be that comes from milling? Henna?

printwiki.org/Ink

  I googled the above link and continued looking into "milling" ink and found that most of them are made on 1 of 3 different machines and I googled

  Ball Mill and much to my surprise almost all of these machines are painted the bright blue of the said: "paint chips".

 

[Deleted]

Aug 26, 2014 18:17:45 GMT @7 said:

Jul 29, 2014 5:40:50 GMT gskonstracker said:

I was looking at this page and decided to google the term "comes from milling." This is what came up

"Alabaster Pigment, which comes from milling Earthroot, Peacebloom, or Silverleaf."

Maybe these are notes from art class? If you google "comes from milling" and the term "ink" you will find multiple examples of this term. What could the herb be that comes from milling? Henna?

printwiki.org/Ink

  I googled the above link and continued looking into "milling" ink and found that most of them are made on 1 of 3 different machines and I googled

  Ball Mill and much to my surprise almost all of these machines are painted the bright blue of the said: "paint chips".

 

                 awesome machine

[happycamper]

Yikes, that's MASSIVE!!! Do you know where that is?

[IHateMiseryGimps]

That's not snelling...that's probably a last name Milling with either james,jane or June under it...Could it be that easy that we are looking for a Milling who lived in Cal or lives there in his mid 50's early 60's?

[Deleted]

Or he did lumber milling as his summer job out of town (starting in June).  I actually had a POI who did this.  Dad got him a job at the Saw Mill.  He was cleared.  Apparently this wasn't uncommon as the rush was seasonal.  Was he heading back down to the Sequoias (Visalia) for summer.  I doodle stuff I need to get done/have upcoming...perhaps he did as well (our similarities would end there thank God) 

[IHateMiseryGimps]

Milling is a name..It's capitalized just like he was writing a name...I ask again...can it be that easy?