GSK Map

[ronin]

May 19, 2016 21:02:57 GMT albion said:

May 15, 2016 6:56:08 GMT bob said:

This presumes the map is somewhat accurate. But these all look like flat roofs. These buildings were not designed to carry snow loads. That eliminates a lot of places.
The creek disappears on both sides of the map. And on the left it circles something that looks like a little library or a small restaurant.

I wonder if there's a database of email addresses for city planning offices around the country. Someone who worked in a planning office might recognize this.

The idea about the snow loads is interesting. It would disqualify many areas of the nation, but not the state, imho. Do you think that one reason for the long cul-de-sac road is because of steep terrain? I have an area circled in blue. It appears to me that the drawer originally had that road continuing on to the next, but erased it and redrew the circle turn around. I think that is very important as to suggesting just what the purpose of this map is.

If you look at the map I included you will notice how small the actual AC units are, compared to the buildings. So the idea of scale for the drawer seems completely off. The red circles should correlate somewhat. The one on top right has a truck loading in both the google map and the drawing. And you might notice also that the orientation of the buildings is the same. The location of the buildings roughly correlate, as if this drawing is either a developers rough sketch, or done from memory. It is also interesting that the sketch includes commercial or retail and residential. The areas where ONS struck had this as a common element.

The far left pic is from google and shows that the water also roughly correlates with the sketch. The lake is in a different spot, but if you have researched the water boards of the various communities, you will see how hard it has become to change an existing natural waterway, or create a man-made dam that would drain a wetlands.

If you had a chance to peruse Teichert's webpages, you will find that they had some developments like this also. I will include a map of theirs as well. I am not suggesting the layout is the same, just the idea of combining retail and commercial into the same project.

And for the record, manmade lakes can be filled in just as fast as they can be built. One lake by me was back-filled a couple years ago so that the developers could put an access road into a new development.

This Teichert map is very interesting. Obviously some clear differences, but some striking similarities as well. The shape of the lake looks very similar to the Danville map to me. I am particularly drawn to the upper right corner of the lake, and the way the shape of the roads correspond quite closely. Also, the large cul-de-sac to the left of the lake is similar in both maps (view Teichert map by tilting your head a few degrees to the right, and compare to the presumed EAR map).

Any idea where this is/was/was proposed for? I notice a Union Pacific Railroad line in the bottom section, but can't make out much else.

[beherit]

I don't know if anyone has discussed this, but I think the "PL" symbols are utility poles, electricity or telephone.  The P shape is the pole and the L is the drop to the house.  He was sloppy with the P shape but the L stops perfectly at the edge of the house.  For him to place it on the map, that suggests it was important for strategic or aesthetic reasons. 

[trabuco]

May 21, 2016 19:22:54 GMT beherit said:

I don't know if anyone has discussed this, but I think the "PL" symbols are utility poles, electricity or telephone.  The P shape is the pole and the L is the drop to the house.  He was sloppy with the P shape but the L stops perfectly at the edge of the house.  For him to place it on the map, that suggests it was important for strategic or aesthetic reasons. 

I agree with you that for him to include it on the map it was important, but why?

It's an aerial view. He's looking down on the houses on both sides of the street and he draws, kind of discreetly imo, where the power poles and lines were or would be.

[albion]

May 21, 2016 12:25:40 GMT ronin said:

May 19, 2016 21:02:57 GMT albion said:

The idea about the snow loads is interesting. It would disqualify many areas of the nation, but not the state, imho. Do you think that one reason for the long cul-de-sac road is because of steep terrain? I have an area circled in blue. It appears to me that the drawer originally had that road continuing on to the next, but erased it and redrew the circle turn around. I think that is very important as to suggesting just what the purpose of this map is.

If you look at the map I included you will notice how small the actual AC units are, compared to the buildings. So the idea of scale for the drawer seems completely off. The red circles should correlate somewhat. The one on top right has a truck loading in both the google map and the drawing. And you might notice also that the orientation of the buildings is the same. The location of the buildings roughly correlate, as if this drawing is either a developers rough sketch, or done from memory. It is also interesting that the sketch includes commercial or retail and residential. The areas where ONS struck had this as a common element.

The far left pic is from google and shows that the water also roughly correlates with the sketch. The lake is in a different spot, but if you have researched the water boards of the various communities, you will see how hard it has become to change an existing natural waterway, or create a man-made dam that would drain a wetlands.

If you had a chance to peruse Teichert's webpages, you will find that they had some developments like this also. I will include a map of theirs as well. I am not suggesting the layout is the same, just the idea of combining retail and commercial into the same project.

And for the record, manmade lakes can be filled in just as fast as they can be built. One lake by me was back-filled a couple years ago so that the developers could put an access road into a new development.

This Teichert map is very interesting. Obviously some clear differences, but some striking similarities as well. The shape of the lake looks very similar to the Danville map to me. I am particularly drawn to the upper right corner of the lake, and the way the shape of the roads correspond quite closely. Also, the large cul-de-sac to the left of the lake is similar in both maps (view Teichert map by tilting your head a few degrees to the right, and compare to the presumed EAR map).

Any idea where this is/was/was proposed for? I notice a Union Pacific Railroad line in the bottom section, but can't make out much else.

I think was a common trend back then. Much of the Irvine developments were concerned with adding the retail, commercial, residential, and community aspects to the development. I am still not sold on the "fact" that this map was drawn by earons. It is just as likely, imo, that it was drawn by a victim, a burglary victim, or a co-conspirator. But finding the origination would give us another possible connection to earons. I included a google map of what the location looks like right now. It is possible that this location was never developed as the map indicated.

www.teichert.com/teichert-way/about-us/our-history/

www.stonebridgeproperties.com/#/communities

www.stonebridgeproperties.com/communities/coldstream.htm

Attachments:

[beherit]

May 21, 2016 22:38:46 GMT trabuco said:

May 21, 2016 19:22:54 GMT beherit said:

I don't know if anyone has discussed this, but I think the "PL" symbols are utility poles, electricity or telephone.  The P shape is the pole and the L is the drop to the house.  He was sloppy with the P shape but the L stops perfectly at the edge of the house.  For him to place it on the map, that suggests it was important for strategic or aesthetic reasons. 

I agree with you that for him to include it on the map it was important, but why?

It's an aerial view. He's looking down on the houses on both sides of the street and he draws, kind of discreetly imo, where the power poles and lines were or would be.

I have no idea why it's important.  The more I read about this guy the more baffling his behaviour seems, which is what makes it interesting.

I will say that I originally thought this map was made by a kid, but that isn't very likely based on the details.  The AC units on the buildings, for example, is not something a kid would be so consistent in placing.

The area of the map with the commercial buildings almost looks like it was drawn from aerial photography. 

[trabuco]

I've been looking at those markings on the map for a good while unable to render an answer. I believe you hit the nail on the head and I'm so glad you have. It doesn't matter who drew the map. Your expaination of the markings suffices regardless of who created the map imo.

[trabuco]

May 22, 2016 12:09:32 GMT beherit said:

May 21, 2016 22:38:46 GMT trabuco said:

I agree with you that for him to include it on the map it was important, but why?

It's an aerial view. He's looking down on the houses on both sides of the street and he draws, kind of discreetly imo, where the power poles and lines were or would be.

I have no idea why it's important.  The more I read about this guy the more baffling his behaviour seems, which is what makes it interesting.

I will say that I originally thought this map was made by a kid, but that isn't very likely based on the details.  The AC units on the buildings, for example, is not something a kid would be so consistent in placing.

The area of the map with the commercial buildings almost looks like it was drawn from aerial photography. 

The map is a rendering of this area from above with unskilled hands. Standing or flying, the creator's eyes looked down. It's either a real time, in its own time, rendering or copied from an earlier rendering of a copy of proposed or newly constructed housing development.

At that time did the USGS have something that could have been copied? 

But I sense this rendering was from a planner's mindset. Developer, Architect?

That's no Architect's hand.

[Deleted]

Drat, foiled again.
I registered to see if anyone else noticed...

The words in the lake are...

Lake _________, Take Dope.

I accidentily got confused and left this on the other map thread.

Longtime peeper, first time speaker.

[trabuco]

I have thought "Dope" was the word in the lake but have not mentioned it.

Whether the creator of the map intended to be or not I would say their God given talent was ambiguity.

[Deleted]

May 23, 2016 18:44:30 GMT trabuco said:

I have thought "Dope" was the word in the lake but have not mentioned it.

Whether the creator of the map intended to be or not I would say their God given talent was ambiguity.

The only similar lake name to "Pope" is Pope Beach on South Lake Tahoe. Its almost directly East from Sacramento on 50.
Its advertised as a "Tree lined locale for swimming and picnics".

Also, Im pretty sure 3 different people worked on this map.
There are 2 different handwriting styles, one of the handwriting styles matches one of the sketching styles.
One of the handwriting styles doesnt clearly match either sketching style.

Im pretty sure "Take Dope"was added after the fact by either a mischievous friend, sibling, or some outside third party who found the discarded notebook randomly and added onto the sketches and text.

The lake and creeks appear to be drawn during the first phase.
Lake name written more than likely in phase 1.
Attempted erasure of lake and creeks and lake name.
Top left development drawn during second phase.
Remainder development potentially drawn during third phase by someone slightly less detail oriented than phase 1 or 2.
Attempts to incorporate third development into erased lake, creeks, and development 1.
This is why the creeks look like oddly planned drainage canals.

"Take Dope" added, then erased Im not sure if that was during phase 2 or 3.

These may be slightly out of order.
There are alot more erasures going ln here, and dont appear to be indicative of any stakeout or planning.

I think the notebook pages may just be an odd coincidence.

If one were able to see the original page, I think these phases would be much more apparent.
Photocopies dont do sketches justice.

[trabuco]

Now I would like to know of any reported child abductions, disappearances from that time period and region. May have been chalked up as a runaway. Somehow the owner and the notebook were separated. Maybe the notebook owner did come forward to claim it but how would we ever know?

[beherit]

A possibility is "Take dog". Very hard to tell with such a low-resolution image, Photoshop can only do so much with a crappy png.

As for the lake bit, the word after lake appears similar to "spr" in rough cursive handwriting. The s could be an a, the r could be a, i, o or u. A guess is "april"

That would make it "Lake april, take dog"

[Cagney]

Jul 11, 2013 21:14:47 GMT gskonstracker said:

I have been searching for golf resorts that look like the map that was found in Danville, CA and just recently released to the public through LA Magazine. This image was color enhanced by Newsleuth.

There is an awful lot of writing on the top of this page with the map...  Got out my magnifying glass   looks like a ph number possibly next to the 'strip mall' in red near the upper left hand side.. I see 283-8539--- maybe 203-8539  or 283-8531  ..  hmmm   anybody else see anything? 

[Cagney]

Aug 12, 2013 21:36:32 GMT gskonstracker said:

I've been looking at the maps that t&s has put up and looked more closely at the GSK map. I tried to figure out why the houses were erased across from the "target" house and again at the end of the row of houses near the bottom left hand side of the image. I think GSK made a notation to himself so he's know where to go in the dark to get out of there the easiest. I've marked the route I think the map is indicating. Note, the target house's backyard was easy to reach though a back yard from the house on the entry street.

Using a magnifying glass I see another possible ph number 283-8531 in the upper left hand side by the 'strip mall'  So I do a google search and put 283-8531 in California  and it comes up with an address on La Paz WAY  Sacramento..  I know this map was made many years ago and an address my change..  BUT the area code would still be in Sacramento..  Im not sure if any crimes taken place on this street.. I think it is very interesting though  ..  AND It may mean absolutely nothing...

[sammyt]

I can't make out any phone numbers myself, but that sounds like an extremely good catch and potential clue!