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[aglo]

Hi! I'm new. Just wanted to say, I still think t9d post is very important. Even if it is not the place because it wasn't built untill after 1978.
IMO there are waaay too many "stylistic" or "conceptual" similarities between those two maps to be a coincidence. It's a way of urban planning that I would expect to come from the same mind.
Someone should really check out the architects/urbanists behind this area of Stockton or the developer. Patterns are often repeated with various changes, but it is the same "design-language". Check out their other projects across California!

You might either find the actual place from the killers map or find people who might have known the killer, or maybe the killer himself.
Perhaps it's a plan that was never built, one of many skethches on the table. Perhaps it was some exersise. Perhaps he did some job with the developers or the architects. Perhaps he was an intern there.
Pehaps even he was later involved in planning the area in Stockton. Perhaps the people he was close to were, perhaps family or employers.

I also think the word "Punishment" could mean just that. If he learned urban planning or real estate it could be an urban planning asignement given to him, that he perceived as "punishment". Either having to plan a new community or redrawing some plan house by house. It still does look very unprofesional for a planning exersise (but painstakingly detailed) so probably done by someone fairly young.

Knowing how he saw asignements given to him by teachers/figueres of authority in order to teach him some kind of a lesson(probably for not doing what he was told, being a smartass) - i.e. the diary about being punished by the teacher, so full of rage and resentment - he could very well see having to draw some kind of a map as a "Punishment" and be so enraged to scribble it in angry letters on the other side of the sketch.
Meaning: "this is not a lesson, this is a punishment, I don't agree with this, I'm mad, I hate everyone"
That is all wild speculation of course, and it could mean sth completely different.

But I really wouldn't ignore the striking simmilarities between the estate from his map and the one shown in Stockton!
Check who was involved in plannig those streets and houses in Stockton! What was their circle of friends, family, co-workors, students in 1978!?
I hope the police have resources to check that out.

[beherit]

I continue looking into using tools to find matches for the buildings on the map. I am looking into OpenCV, an open computer vision package for Python, to match shapes from the hand-drawn map to shapes extracted from OpenStreetMaps. docs.opencv.org/3.1.0/d5/d45/tutorial_py_contours_more_functions.html

[bookworm]

I have been too scared/new to the case to post before but I just had to share this.... While researching my POI I was lead to this location, and I think I found the location that the EAR was drawing. To me the map looks almost exactly like this area in Sacramento, Ca. Riverside Blvd., Florin Rd. and Gloria Dr. are the main roads. I do not think the punishment map is a completely accurate drawing because, like someone else has said, there was not aerial view available for him so he had to do it off of his own perspective. This is a screen shot from a map from 1993 (I couldn't go back further than that with Google Earth), but if you go to www.historicaerials.com/viewer and you view the next available date, 1966, you will see that the lake was not as developed as it is in 1993. I do not think I saw any other posts suggesting it was this area so I thought I would put this out there. I am curious what all your thoughts are...


Also, this is also right across the street from JFK high school, and if I recall correctly attack #15 victim thought that her attacker was from JFK High. Does that mean that she went to school there as well?

[soxie]

Feb 9, 2017 15:55:50 GMT intuitiva said:

Aug 19, 2016 17:37:17 GMT newbienew said:

This is also a strong candidate.

I notice the lake spread out like back to back Es is also a technique used in developments near the Dana point attack.

Is it possible its the same developer?  Or architect?

I still favor the Danville because its 1-2 miles from where the map was found.

But this is also a very good match and close to a EAR target area.

Looking at UC Davis the El Macero Country club while clearly not the development in the EAR map looks like it could be a cousin.
Looking in walnut creek hidden creek homes with del rio circle in walnut creek,ca looks like a cousin too

This is a good example, why everyone should use this site - www.historicaerials.com/ - to see ariel maps of the areas they think would work during the time of EAR.  Attached is a map of that area from 1978, and as you can see it's a lot different than what you are putting on here.  You cannot go by what google maps is telling you, you have to go back to the maps from the time of EAR.  Northern California was a lot different back then, and they were still developing areas like Danville, Sacramento, Walnut Creek, Concord, etc.

I was wondering if someone could please tell me,what month,year,and place was the punishment map found? 

[soxie]

Sept 10, 2017 15:14:06 GMT Tom Box said:

December 9th 1978 in Danville. #42
coldcase-earons.com/42.php

Thank you,TomBox.

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holes told me the papers were found here .... so
that's definitive. 50 ft off of el capitan give or take
a few. he would have told me the precise spot
but an electricity pole had been relocated
prior to Holes discovering the map. the exact
location was in relation to the pole.

[beherit]

Contra Costa County DA investigator Paul Holes tells PEOPLE that the drawing of the subdivision in the "homework evidence" is by "someone in the development industry who is brainstorming how to lay out a subdivision. This isn’t some kid who is doing it.

"This is a very sophisticated diagram that someone who has got a career along these lines has done. This is not your troll who is doing this. This is your white collar guy."

people.com/crime/golden-state-serial-killer-gallery-new-evidence/the-design/

[Any of N]

Thanks for the link, beherit. I was not aware of that slideshow that includes some of the items he stole.

Regarding Holes' take on the Punishment Map, I suppose anything is possible. Not really buying it, though. Somewhere we have another thread where we discuss his elaborations on the topic. I think it's this one:

earonsgsk.proboards.com/thread/3944/paul-holes-information

 

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Oct 29, 2017 0:02:57 GMT beherit said:

Contra Costa County DA investigator Paul Holes tells PEOPLE that the drawing of the subdivision in the "homework evidence" is by "someone in the development industry who is brainstorming how to lay out a subdivision. This isn’t some kid who is doing it.

"This is a very sophisticated diagram that someone who has got a career along these lines has done. This is not your troll who is doing this. This is your white collar guy."

people.com/crime/golden-state-serial-killer-gallery-new-evidence/the-design/

He's been working that angle for four years. But he has been open and thanked me for what I've sent. Respectful and professional straight-shooter. When I showed him where the lake was (500 ft. from where the papers were recovered) he told me he had been focused on Robyn for some time. This is the view of Danville from Robyn. He could see all his targets from there.

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[Cagney]

Oct 29, 2017 0:02:57 GMT beherit said:

Contra Costa County DA investigator Paul Holes tells PEOPLE that the drawing of the subdivision in the "homework evidence" is by "someone in the development industry who is brainstorming how to lay out a subdivision. This isn’t some kid who is doing it.

"This is a very sophisticated diagram that someone who has got a career along these lines has done. This is not your troll who is doing this. This is your white collar guy."

people.com/crime/golden-state-serial-killer-gallery-new-evidence/the-design/

OMG  Are you kidding me!!!  Finally, People magazine article has something that may solve this case!  Why wasn't this evidence ever given out?  China, class rings, silverware... photos!  What else do they have that isn't being released? unbelievable..

[beherit]

The unusual thing about the map is the accuracy of the commercial buildings and the sloppiness of the residential buildings.

Looking at the commercial areas, it's clear they were traced from another image.  He did not use a ruler, but the lines are quite even and parallel for the green sections.  He also drew in extra details such as shrubs, AC units on the roof, trucks, etc. 

Here's the question: why?  Regardless of whether EARs made this map or not, the green parts must have been based on some other drawing or aerial photo.  Would whoever made this map have spent time drawing in this detail on commercial buildings just for fun?  Probably not.  So, I think it's safe to say the green area must have existed.

The red areas look like they were roughed in freehand.  Those areas probably did not exist on a map or aerial photo.  They were probably future construction or new construction.

The creek that is part of the green area also probably existed in the source material.  The building details actually incorporate the creek, therefore it must have been there.  If the creek was there, then the lake was probably there too.

The yellow areas I'm guessing probably existed too, at least the cul-de-sac.  I think he would have laid out the houses similarly to the red areas if they weren't already built.  But, he probably didn't have accurate drawings or photos to trace from for these yellow areas.

The five power poles in the middle of the drawing are an odd feature.  Why draw those five but not any of the other areas?  A possibility is that those five houses were occupied and required power whereas the rest of the buildings were still under construction.  This would date the map to a very specific time.

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This cannot be a coincidence: Diablo West (in the same cluster where the map was found) also had a multi-lane highway which connected to a bugle-shaped road, which in turn connected to an arrow-head shaped field, which then connected to a 16-lot column of houses precisely at the second lot, that happened to be the sole lot erased by EAR here. www.earonspunishmentmap.com/east-area-rapist-golden-state-killer-crossroads/ Then look at the stream which matched two very unique winding roads out of Diablo West . . . one to the assault site at Liberta and the other to the Iron Horse Trail. Those roads connected to a footbridge in EAR's map, and also in reality. EAR's footbridge was an identical match to the actual footbridge. Hmmmm. Then look at the "lake" which merged with the most easily identifiable shape in the entire Punishment Map (almost like a sea lion) and was just 500 ft. from where the map was recovered. The map is res judicata, but IMO, the back of the map still has more potential.

[sycamore]

Aug 16, 2016 13:31:43 GMT sycamore said:

This is the Danville shopping center with the creek running through it, the body of water is the Danville reservoir

Check this creek out beherit

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[beherit]

Thanks for the info. I'm looking for that exact commercial building cluster and ignoring the residential area. It would be over 40 years old at this point so very likely it's been modified or torn down. I'm looking at maps from the time period.

[sycamore]

This is the Sycamore and Livery shopping centre Danville, from a southerly aspect, the coldwell bank on the corner exact same roof. problem these buildings were not there until  a few years later