Results From "the best lead in 40 years", by drdoogie

[morf13]

The only way this case will be solved is via the DNA checks,it's a good thing they are doing so many. Hopefully,sooner or later, somebody's DNA is going to be run and come back as a familiar DNA hit, and then they will track down every family member that POI has until they find EAR. And don't forget, there are a ton of POI's being turned in not deemed worthy of DNA tests. Those being DNA tested have to pass some litmus test to make it to the DNA check.

I can see an exception however. Let's say EAR was born in 1956,and is the only child. His Parents wouldn't be turned in as POI's so their DNA will never be run. He has no siblings to be POI's,so no DNA from them. If he has kids of his own, they would be too young to be POI's so their DNA wouldn't be run. In this situation, it would have to come down to a cousin or somebody like that getting tested to link all the way back to EAR. And does a familial DNA hit link to a Cousin? How distant? I would think it did,since people are being linked on Ancestry.com to each other via DNA,and they are distant relatives.

What's to stop one cop from entering a sample of EAR's DNA into ancestry.com's DNA database,and claiming it as their own DNA? If they got links to other people, they would know what family they are looking for. Obviously they can't do this because of the laws and such forbidding that,but plain and simply, the laws suck. That brings me back to a point I made in another thread, if you commit a crime in our society, you forfeit your right as a normal citizen and both your DNA & prints go into a national database. This country is more hung up on people's privacy and rights then catching criminals and getting them off the streets. It should be a national law,not on a state to state level, then there would be no red tape. I can't help but think, if this serial killer had operated in another state besides liberal CA, then things might get done differently

[leonidis]

Mar 3, 2017 3:38:45 GMT morf13 said:

The only way this case will be solved is via the DNA checks,it's a good thing they are doing so many. Hopefully,sooner or later, somebody's DNA is going to be run and come back as a familiar DNA hit, and then they will track down every family member that POI has until they find EAR. And don't forget, there are a ton of POI's being turned in not deemed worthy of DNA tests. Those being DNA tested have to pass some litmus test to make it to the DNA check.

I can see an exception however. Let's say EAR was born in 1956,and is the only child. His Parents wouldn't be turned in as POI's so their DNA will never be run. He has no siblings to be POI's,so no DNA from them. If he has kids of his own, they would be too young to be POI's so their DNA wouldn't be run. In this situation, it would have to come down to a cousin or somebody like that getting tested to link all the way back to EAR. And does a familial DNA hit link to a Cousin? How distant? I would think it did,since people are being linked on Ancestry.com to each other via DNA,and they are distant relatives.

What's to stop one cop from entering a sample of EAR's DNA into ancestry.com's DNA database,and claiming it as their own DNA? If they got links to other people, they would know what family they are looking for. Obviously they can't do this because of the laws and such forbidding that,but plain and simply, the laws suck. That brings me back to a point I made in another thread, if you commit a crime in our society, you forfeit your right as a normal citizen and both your DNA & prints go into a national database. This country is more hung up on people's privacy and rights then catching criminals and getting them off the streets. It should be a national law,not on a state to state level, then there would be no red tape. I can't help but think, if this serial killer had operated in another state besides liberal CA, then things might get done differently

I am with you on many of the points you make. I think criminals should be treated accordingly, and they should not have rights that they have taken away from others. A criminal is the first person to complain about their RIGHTS. However, they were not concerned whatsoever about the rights of the victims that they abused, raped or killed!

[Any of N]

Mar 2, 2017 18:43:04 GMT drdoogie said:

Mar 2, 2017 18:34:05 GMT intuitiva said:

Is this the greatest lead in 40 years POI?

It was the strongest POI developed from the "best lead in 40 years".  I still believe the lead is valid (the 1973 corvette attack), but we focused on the wrong POI.  There are others who have dna testing in the works, but I must admit that this POI was our best shot (imho).

This brings up the question I've been hesitating to ask. If Green Corvette Guy was not actually our guy, how would you be able to establish that fact?  Lack of a DNA hit only eliminates the POI as the EAR-ONS, not as the perpetrator of the '73 attack.

Dr. D, I hope you're right and that you're on the right track. But I have this scenario running through my mind where you keep chasing a dead end. For years and years on end.  We'd all hate to see that.

[morf13]

Mar 3, 2017 3:57:11 GMT Any of N said:

Mar 2, 2017 18:43:04 GMT drdoogie said:

It was the strongest POI developed from the "best lead in 40 years".  I still believe the lead is valid (the 1973 corvette attack), but we focused on the wrong POI.  There are others who have dna testing in the works, but I must admit that this POI was our best shot (imho).

This brings up the question I've been hesitating to ask. If Green Corvette Guy was not actually our guy, how would you be able to establish that fact?  Lack of a DNA hit only eliminates the POI as the EAR-ONS, not as the perpetrator of the '73 attack.

Dr. D, I hope you're right and that you're on the right track. But I have this scenario running through my mind where you keep chasing a dead end. For years and year on end.  We'd all hate to see that.

Whoever was the perp in the 73 attack can't be convicted of any crimes associated with the Corvette case due to statute of limitations. 

[morf13]

Mar 3, 2017 4:13:48 GMT @cloudofwitnesses said:

Well apparently the victim's word is majorly unreliable, even though she spent 6 hours in a vette with an unmasked rapist. So I don't know how you can begin to rely on other witnesses. For me, this incident has raised more questions than it has solved. I'm not sure why it was ever posted on the board.

My question is, how did green vette guy become the best lead in 40 years? The MO didn't match EAR's known MO. The details were sketchy on the part of the witness,etc. Not trying to second guess anybody or their efforts, but I have personally come across the names of multiple men in Sacramento that became rapists or had sex assaults. What is any different about them vs Green vette guy? 

[manzanita]

Mar 3, 2017 3:38:45 GMT morf13 said:

What's to stop one cop from entering a sample of EAR's DNA into ancestry.com's DNA database,and claiming it as their own DNA? If they got links to other people, they would know what family they are looking for.

I submitted DNA to both of those companies.   Both required saliva samples.  I don't think anyone could use GSK's DNA from the crime scenes to get either company to run the sample through their system without saliva, unless they agreed to, and as far as I know, they both have policies not to do so.

[morf13]

Mar 3, 2017 4:19:05 GMT manzanita said:

Mar 3, 2017 3:38:45 GMT morf13 said:

What's to stop one cop from entering a sample of EAR's DNA into ancestry.com's DNA database,and claiming it as their own DNA? If they got links to other people, they would know what family they are looking for.

I submitted DNA to both of those companies.   Both required saliva samples.  I don't think anyone could use GSK's DNA from the crime scenes to get either company to run the sample through their system without saliva, unless they agreed to, and as far as I know, they both have policies not to do so.

So you're saying they'd have a problem if you tried to send them semen as your DNA sample? 

[manzanita]

Mar 3, 2017 4:20:51 GMT morf13 said:

Mar 3, 2017 4:19:05 GMT manzanita said:

I submitted DNA to both of those companies.   Both required saliva samples.  I don't think anyone could use GSK's DNA from the crime scenes to get either company to run the sample through their system without saliva, unless they agreed to, and as far as I know, they both have policies not to do so.

So you're saying they'd have a problem if you tried to send them semen as your DNA sample? 

Yeah…LOL.  Both companies send a vile that one puts saliva into, and then a preservative.  

[morf13]

So,Doogie, now that this major part of the POI(s) has been eliminated, some questions have persisted for me,a little confusing. What was the connection of this POI(s) to Big Top Pizza??I've never understood that part

[Any of N]

Mar 3, 2017 4:13:38 GMT morf13 said:

Mar 3, 2017 3:57:11 GMT Any of N said:

This brings up the question I've been hesitating to ask. If Green Corvette Guy was not actually our guy, how would you be able to establish that fact?  Lack of a DNA hit only eliminates the POI as the EAR-ONS, not as the perpetrator of the '73 attack.

Dr. D, I hope you're right and that you're on the right track. But I have this scenario running through my mind where you keep chasing a dead end. For years and year on end.  We'd all hate to see that.

Whoever was the perp in the 73 attack can't be convicted of any crimes associated with the Corvette case due to statute of limitations. 

Right. If he's not the EAR-ONS, we've got nothing on either offender.  Not on the EAR-ONS. Not on Green Corvette Guy.

[manzanita]

Mar 2, 2017 18:43:04 GMT drdoogie said:

Mar 2, 2017 18:34:05 GMT intuitiva said:

Is this the greatest lead in 40 years POI?

It was the strongest POI developed from the "best lead in 40 years".  I still believe the lead is valid (the 1973 corvette attack), but we focused on the wrong POI.  There are others who have dna testing in the works, but I must admit that this POI was our best shot (imho).

Thanks for the efforts Doogie.  Lets hope the other DNA tests reveal who GSK is. Like many, I am really disappointed by the news.

[smitmit]

So the 1973 DNA test of a family member was not a match then? Thanks

[Any of N]

Mar 3, 2017 3:38:45 GMT morf13 said:

The only way this case will be solved is via the DNA checks,it's a good thing they are doing so many. Hopefully,sooner or later, somebody's DNA is going to be run and come back as a familiar DNA hit, and then they will track down every family member that POI has until they find EAR. And don't forget, there are a ton of POI's being turned in not deemed worthy of DNA tests. Those being DNA tested have to pass some litmus test to make it to the DNA check.

I can see an exception however. Let's say EAR was born in 1956,and is the only child. His Parents wouldn't be turned in as POI's so their DNA will never be run. He has no siblings to be POI's,so no DNA from them. If he has kids of his own, they would be too young to be POI's so their DNA wouldn't be run. In this situation, it would have to come down to a cousin or somebody like that getting tested to link all the way back to EAR. And does a familial DNA hit link to a Cousin? How distant? I would think it did,since people are being linked on Ancestry.com to each other via DNA,and they are distant relatives.

What's to stop one cop from entering a sample of EAR's DNA into ancestry.com's DNA database,and claiming it as their own DNA? If they got links to other people, they would know what family they are looking for. Obviously they can't do this because of the laws and such forbidding that,but plain and simply, the laws suck. That brings me back to a point I made in another thread, if you commit a crime in our society, you forfeit your right as a normal citizen and both your DNA & prints go into a national database. This country is more hung up on people's privacy and rights then catching criminals and getting them off the streets. It should be a national law,not on a state to state level, then there would be no red tape. I can't help but think, if this serial killer had operated in another state besides liberal CA, then things might get done differently

I'm arguing on another thread that a familial search probably was done on either Ancestry.com or 23andMe. As you are conjecturing, it perhaps came up empty because our guy doesn't have a lot of relatives. I surmise that from Shelby's story about getting no hits when he expected about 400. Maybe I'm wrong on that count, but it seems likely that some LE agency ran familial searches on both databases with EAR-ONS DNA. 

Regarding the law, we already have offender databases, so what else do you want? Crime has decreased steadily since the early '90's (minus a small recent homicide uptick in a few cities) without those added invasions of privacy. Many people across the political spectrum disagree with you.

[claudius_2014]

Mar 3, 2017 4:24:18 GMT morf13 said:

So,Doogie, now that this major part of the POI(s) has been eliminated, some questions have persisted for me,a little confusing. What was the connection of this POI(s) to Big Top Pizza??I've never understood that part

2 people who worked there pick up this poi photo

[claudius_2014]

Mar 3, 2017 4:18:51 GMT morf13 said:

Mar 3, 2017 4:13:48 GMT @cloudofwitnesses said:

Well apparently the victim's word is majorly unreliable, even though she spent 6 hours in a vette with an unmasked rapist. So I don't know how you can begin to rely on other witnesses. For me, this incident has raised more questions than it has solved. I'm not sure why it was ever posted on the board.

My question is, how did green vette guy become the best lead in 40 years? The MO didn't match EAR's known MO. The details were sketchy on the part of the witness,etc. Not trying to second guess anybody or their efforts, but I have personally come across the names of multiple men in Sacramento that became rapists or had sex assaults. What is any different about them vs Green vette guy? 

if you read old post of drdoogie you will understain.they believe that this was the proto ear