Post by Deleted on May 11, 2017 0:42:14 GMT
This is a rather tricky subject I've had on my mind since I first came to the forums a few years back but it's nagged away at me to the point I figured it was an appropriate time considering all of the new interests, new media and chance to really give some good speculation as to what the ONS might know that we do not. No one needs to answer nor do they need to read into this very much, though LE in all likelihood knows the answer I am seeking. It has the potential of stirring up some issues however but I have faith in our posters that sensitivity as to the nature of this inquiry will be respected and if not, I will swiftly handle the matter as it occurs.
I have always been against the idea that ONS raped and killed Charlene and Patrice after killing their partners Lyman and Keith, especially in the same bed. I am of the opinion that if Charlene or Patrice witnessed the murders of their respective husband, the 'fight or flight' instinct part of their brain would be activated. This is similar to what Zodiac killer survivor Bryan Hartnell described as Cecilia Shepherd's reaction to him being stabbed while laying next to her. That to me, is how a human being would respond in a moment of terror, panic and confusion. I don't see either one, let alone both of these individuals not freaking out after the tragedy occurred, though I could very well be wrong and they just remained prone, scared throughout the duration of those horrible nights.
The fact of the matter is that unless we see an honest report detailing that the women were taken out of the room for the rape and returned before the murders, or assaulted in the same vicinity of the still-living husbands, we can not do much but to speculate.
This question does not account for the Offerman/Manning, Withuhn, Cruz, nor Domingo/Sanchez crimes, as their circumstances were different than that of the Smith's or Harrington's for various reasons. I.E, Manuela and Janelle were alone, Cheri and Alexandria were not sexually assaulted, Greg wasn't ever bound.
This has been nagging at me for a very long time so I wanted to reach out to my fellow forum members about what you think? I can honestly say I have at one time had a loaded handgun pointed in my face and I froze, but this is a far cry from the horrifying things that these undeserving victims witnessed in their final hours. Many factors can weigh into what he did according to what he did or did not do in the past crimes attributed to him, but what I am asking for is simply an opinion as to whether or not you believe ONS assaulted/murdered Charlene and Patrice after killing Lyman and Keith?
I have always been against the idea that ONS raped and killed Charlene and Patrice after killing their partners Lyman and Keith, especially in the same bed. I am of the opinion that if Charlene or Patrice witnessed the murders of their respective husband, the 'fight or flight' instinct part of their brain would be activated. This is similar to what Zodiac killer survivor Bryan Hartnell described as Cecilia Shepherd's reaction to him being stabbed while laying next to her. That to me, is how a human being would respond in a moment of terror, panic and confusion. I don't see either one, let alone both of these individuals not freaking out after the tragedy occurred, though I could very well be wrong and they just remained prone, scared throughout the duration of those horrible nights.
The fact of the matter is that unless we see an honest report detailing that the women were taken out of the room for the rape and returned before the murders, or assaulted in the same vicinity of the still-living husbands, we can not do much but to speculate.
This question does not account for the Offerman/Manning, Withuhn, Cruz, nor Domingo/Sanchez crimes, as their circumstances were different than that of the Smith's or Harrington's for various reasons. I.E, Manuela and Janelle were alone, Cheri and Alexandria were not sexually assaulted, Greg wasn't ever bound.
This has been nagging at me for a very long time so I wanted to reach out to my fellow forum members about what you think? I can honestly say I have at one time had a loaded handgun pointed in my face and I froze, but this is a far cry from the horrifying things that these undeserving victims witnessed in their final hours. Many factors can weigh into what he did according to what he did or did not do in the past crimes attributed to him, but what I am asking for is simply an opinion as to whether or not you believe ONS assaulted/murdered Charlene and Patrice after killing Lyman and Keith?