Was the EAR.... CORN?

[albion]

Sept 15, 2017 17:46:35 GMT thetriplelindy said:

Sept 14, 2017 15:49:29 GMT albion said:

Could this account for the untraceable dumpsters as well?

I saw a re-quote recently of portoflieth's comments about the dumpsters here, where he said:  "Dumpsters were present at an uncanny number of the Northern California attacks, and the presence of one such dumpster could not be explained by either nearby construction or having been hired by anyone living on the street. Someone obviously placed it there for a reason and it did not belong to any of the the companies normally renting dumpsters for construction or clean up."

When you think about all the ways in which a dumpster would be useful to a team deploying CORN targets (to stash supplies, to stage/deliver the large canvas targets at a given location, provide a hide-out spot, etc.), it does give one explanation as to why so many unexplained dumpsters were found close to attack locations.

If you look at many of the radar sites, the mobile rocket launchers and mobile communications sites, they have numerous buildings which look like large storage containers or large metal dumpsters. My personal opinion is that earons had knowledge of urban guerilla type tactics and warfare training. The idea that CORN might have been using these dumpsters as targets for testing the tech to find objects of this size in urban areas seems to fit in with what I have reading about. This is what the Firebees were doing during their reconnaissance missions in North Vietnam. They had high resolution cameras, and then had CIA and Military specialists who then found the targets and coded the next set of missions. Finding these radar and mobile SAM sites was of the utmost importance for the pilots in the air all the way up to the Whitehouse. And frequently North Vietnam would place them near schools and populated areas to limit our willingness to attack them.

I guess I would be curious to know the exact dimensions of the dumpsters. Whether they were the small ones that get emptied along the side of the trash truck, or the haul away dumpsters that get loaded onto a flatbed truck. Those seem about the exact size of the mobile rocket launchers, or the mobile radar units. And finding those in an urban setting would be very important. Would it be possible that the US military used Sacramento to test this projects abilities? I think so. Would the Sheriffs have known about it? Would Brian Maggiore have known about it?

Would this theory also explain why so many military families were targeted by ear during this time frame? Or that ear would have knowledge of the bases and yet no one on the bases would remember him in particular?

And if the program was secret, was the Firebee program as secret? And if you project his career path 10 years to the time of Janelle's murder, what could have kept him in Irvine during that time? Where could he have been working with that type of history? Which people associated with the victims would have that type of history, or friends, or neighbors? How would the alleged marine know someone like this?

Recently Ryan Aeronautics donated thousand of pictures to the local aerospace museum. I went through every one they had and cut out pics of identifiable cars and employees. There are also some other aerospace sites that have pics up. Some are official and others are employee or union sites. Some of the companies had monthly newsletters, and some had events and picnics with pictures.

And even if we cant get the names of the people involved with the program, maybe the Air Force might take this lead seriously enough to check on their own? They would be able to get clearance. If they really were interested in finding justice for the families of the victims, some of whom were Air Force members themselves. But there is also another way to use this info, and it is similar to what was used in regards to Mr Y.

[shard]

Sept 15, 2017 18:32:37 GMT thetriplelindy said:

Sept 15, 2017 0:06:37 GMT albion said:

If the OP can narrow down the potential suspects to below 20, or even below 100, wouldnt that be fairly easy to follow up on? With or without the military's help.

Thanks for the nice words above.

I apologize if I made it sound like I had any ability to get the pool of suspects down to 20.  I was trying to say that its at least, in theory, possible to really pare a pool of suspects down to a pretty manageable size if we knew that EARONS was in this program.  That's because there were only so many individuals that did this type of work in CA, during the years he was active, that fit his physical description, etc.

The problem is, no names from the program are known.  So, there's no way to follow-up on that at this point.  FOIA requests won't return individual names, as far as I understand.  So, there would have to be some help from someone with a higher level of authority in order to get at any type of personally identifying records.

If the dream scenario of arriving on a particular POI based directly on this information is ultimately unattainable, there's still a lot of value in trying to prove out a more firm connection (with maybe one or two real solid proof points, like I mentioned above).  Knowing pretty definitively that the EARONS was involved with the program would put all of the other evidence into context and would really help clarify other possible avenues to get at who he was.

Could you please inform the FBI via a tip that the possibility of EARONS/CORN exists?  A link to your thread should suffice.  Surly a POI could be run under a FOIA as to whether the CORN link is there in cases where travel information or foreign residence is hidden.

[thetriplelindy]

Sept 15, 2017 21:57:10 GMT shard said:

Sept 15, 2017 18:32:37 GMT thetriplelindy said:

Thanks for the nice words above.

I apologize if I made it sound like I had any ability to get the pool of suspects down to 20.  I was trying to say that its at least, in theory, possible to really pare a pool of suspects down to a pretty manageable size if we knew that EARONS was in this program.  That's because there were only so many individuals that did this type of work in CA, during the years he was active, that fit his physical description, etc.

The problem is, no names from the program are known.  So, there's no way to follow-up on that at this point.  FOIA requests won't return individual names, as far as I understand.  So, there would have to be some help from someone with a higher level of authority in order to get at any type of personally identifying records.

If the dream scenario of arriving on a particular POI based directly on this information is ultimately unattainable, there's still a lot of value in trying to prove out a more firm connection (with maybe one or two real solid proof points, like I mentioned above).  Knowing pretty definitively that the EARONS was involved with the program would put all of the other evidence into context and would really help clarify other possible avenues to get at who he was.

Could you please inform the FBI via a tip that the possibility of EARONS/CORN exists?  A link to your thread should suffice.  Surly a POI could be run under a FOIA as to whether the CORN link is there in cases where travel information or foreign residence is hidden.

Thanks for the prompting.  I was planning to do it, but hadn't yet done it.  I just submitted a few minutes ago.

[Mitchell]

shard said,

Surly a POI could be run under a FOIA as to whether the CORN link is there in cases where travel information or foreign residence is hidden.

I'm not sure a FOIA request would necessarily work for a living person who has not been previously investigated by the FBI. I'm thinking a court order or search warrant would be required to research what is essentially a private citizen. And don't call me Surly.

[albion]

Does this change if the suspect has been investigated by LE/Feds for other matters?

It makes me think of why Phillip Arthur Thompson would have been employed by Nixon and Creep. If an individual had been in this program, and then was connected to Lyman and Maverick Air, and then showed up in 86 to murder Janelle, cant we go backwards in time, and connect the dots? PAT was protected and given deals at many stages of his crimes. The OCDA's were also involved in his deals. Instead of using CORN as the starting point, use it as the goal to trace back to.

If he was involved in CORN, then I would suggest he has many other crimes to his credit, as well as other MO's.

[Mitchell]

Sept 20, 2017 8:33:56 GMT albion said:

Does this change if the suspect has been investigated by LE/Feds for other matters?

It makes me think of why Phillip Arthur Thompson would have been employed by Nixon and Creep. If an individual had been in this program, and then was connected to Lyman and Maverick Air, and then showed up in 86 to murder Janelle, cant we go backwards in time, and connect the dots? PAT was protected and given deals at many stages of his crimes. The OCDA's were also involved in his deals. Instead of using CORN as the starting point, use it as the goal to trace back to.

If he was involved in CORN, then I would suggest he has many other crimes to his credit, as well as other MO's.

I honestly don't know. I just know that I couldnt do a FOIA on my neighbor simply because I was curious, regardless of his profession. FOIA probably can be instigated against other federal government agencies, they are simply not as glamorous or well known because they are not connected to infamous criminals.

[Justflint]

From my understanding an FOIA will be limited on disclosures of personal identifying info. If someone was involved with CORN then their involvement in other secretive programs or being read in becomes more probable. The government also liked to recycle people who were deemed reliable into other programs. Sometimes the results were less than stellar. A few CIA assets went completely off the reservation in the late 70's and ended up in prison for murder/armed robbery. CIA actually got them off the hook to a degree on stockpiling weapons in a California warehouse and robbing a bank. People lacking the morality that allows them to have certain uses, often don't have the morality to be reliable or stay in bounds.

Regardless if they had knowledge of other programs it may limit named disclosures even further than normal. Having some FOIA experience it is often very limited what you receive. Most times the redaction's are because they seem to be too lazy to look into how it infringes on other outdated classified programs. Getting a sheet of paper with 10-20 words with tons of blanks in between happens a lot. The FBI clinton disclosures are actually better than average if that gives you an idea.

It may be useful to actually contact some anti govt. conspiracy websites/forums. They are actually pretty well versed in what to ask for to get max information. The guys who get into the lsd/cia programs and such. They may even have some info on CORN and ideas on what those personnel would have worked on prior/after corn. There are also a couple forums for retired Intel guys. Some are larpers and useless while some are legit.

[Drifter]

This thread has been at top for several days. I'll now let it float on its own.

Drifter

[nyc123]

The CORN subject is very interesting--thanks for posting it. What I discovered (and I don't think it was mentioned in this thread) is that starting in 1966 or '67, CORN was used to calibrate the satellites of the Corona spy satellite program:

"Following the launch of Corona satellites in the 1960s, the National Reconnaissance Program (formerly known as the National Foreign Intelligence Program) determined that there was a need for calibration under the Controlled Range Network [CORN...my addition]."

www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Corona+Satellite+Calibration+Targets&item_type=topic

Now, what's interesting about the Corona satellite program is that it was operated by--or at least involved with--the Air Force Satellite Control Facility (AFSCF), which had a detachment at Sunnyvale AFS (later, Onizuka AFB) in Sunnyvale, CA, from 7/1/65 to 7/1/77, and was then based at Sunnyvale/Onizuka from 7/8/77 to 8/27/93:

www.revolvy.com/main/index.php?s=Air%20Force%20Satellite%20Control%20Facility

What this seems to show is that there was certainly the possibility that one or more people associated with CORN was in the Sunnyvale area (which is located at the southwest corner of the Sacramento-Stockton-San Jose stretch of EAR/ONS's 1976-1979 crimes) anywhere from 1965 to 1993.

[leviathan]

Hate to be a party pooper on what is clearly a well thought out point but if CORN is a top secret military program, then they aren’t making jackets with their logo on them. Kinda runs counter to the whole idea of “top secret”

[nyc123]

Dec 6, 2017 5:33:59 GMT leviathan said:

Hate to be a party pooper on what is clearly a well thought out point but if CORN is a top secret military program, then they aren’t making jackets with their logo on them. Kinda runs counter to the whole idea of “top secret”

You could be absolutely right. Then again, government bureaucrats aren't always the brightest bulbs on the tree...

[cleopatra]

Sept 10, 2017 7:06:55 GMT thetriplelindy said:

Thanks, Mitchell.  Again, my thoughts below are in red...

Sept 10, 2017 3:11:26 GMT Mitchell said:

A lot of interesting information. Regardless of whether or not it bears fruit where EAR is concerned, very interesting.

Good job, friend. Weren't we still perfecting high altitude reconnaissance photography via spy planes at that time? Satellite imagery is hard to imagine in the early '60's, let alone the late '70's.  Spy planes were definitely still in use.  After one of those U2 planes was shot down in 1960, satellite recon programs were expedited.  The first US photos from space were as early as the 1950s (1959, I believe).  By 1977, we weren't just taking images from satellites, we also had the capability to send them direct to earth, more or less real-time!  Prior to that, a film canister was returned to earth and developed.  Kodak developed special film for one such project in a continuous spool of very broad sheets that needed to be trimmed after production to fit the specifics of each satellite mission.  The rumor is (according to Our Mission Revealed) that the trimmings were actually repackaged as some of the first examples of Kodak color retail film we all used for our family photos.  You can check out the histories of the GAMBIT, HEXAGON, etc. programs.  It's amazing what was accomplished and refined so quickly.

Imagery calibration as cover for high altitude targeting systems, maybe? One possibility is that a lot of these missions were flown out of Nevada or New Mexico to the coast as part of the R&D process.  That's true.  There's a document in the CIA reading room entitled Final Report (U) Controlled Range Network from 1970 that has a map on page 3 in Figure 1.  Keep in mind that that document was written in 1969 or 1970, so it's safe to assume that the locations mentioned there may have changed quite a bit.  But, it does depict the 9 CORN Target Crew locations across the US at that time.  Albuquerque and Tucson are included in the southwest (in addition to Lancaster, CA, like I mentioned above).

Would an Above-Top-Secret intelligence program print up a bunch of windbreakers and ballcaps with the company logo for their unofficially employed personnel to wear? Did the Manhattan Project hand out mousepads and coffee mugs adorned with mushroom clouds and a likeness of Vishnu at the office Christmas past? I doubt it, but I'm often wrong.  That's a good point.  I actually captured it in my original post as one of my significant doubts, as well.  Again, to think it through from all sides, I did post some thoughts there as to why that might have happened.  But, I agree -- that might be the biggest point of doubt I have, too.

1.) I have never heard of "self-cleaning" paint before. Is that possibly a reference to a hydrophobic coating either applied to or mixed with the paint? Do you think?  Just to clarify, I took that terminology from the evidence discussion on coldcase-earons.com.  Here's the verbiage:  "The reason for this line of thinking is that the paint contained silicates. Silicate-based paint is used as an overcoat, because it's a material which provides the surface with a "lotus effect", the name referring to the repellant and self-cleaning properties of lotus flowers and leaves. The silicates repel the dirt and encourage them to adhere to water, which then rolls the dirt off of the surface. The paint chips found at EARONS scenes contained these silicates, which is why it's theorized that the paint is most likely from a paint that's used in construction on building exteriors. Porous exterior surfaces are the materials that benefit most from this type of application."

2.) You mentioned that the pant chips left by EAR were blue. Is that correct? I thought they were green.  Again, I got this from coldcase-earons.com.  Here's the description:  "Detective Ken Clark of the Sacramento County Sheriff's Department described them as microscopic chips of blue architectural paint that likely came from someone who had been using a paint sprayer. "

3.) Did you find any other information relevant to the type of paint used to meet the desired criteria(or what I would imagine the criteria to be)?  Yeah, there's actually quite a bit of it on the CIA and NRO sites.  I couldn't make enough sense of it to even attempt making an informed opinion.  That's why I noted it may warrant a read through by someone with a little more expertise.

Alright, I'm thinking the paint would have to be white for maximum reflectivity and visibility from the greatest altitude. However, if it were too reflective it could potentially distort the target and over-expose the film itself. Hmmm.

We are discussing an asphalt or concrete runway...The temperature of the surface through-out the day would rise but a heat dispersing sub-coat or primer could be used to trap some of the heat without losing too much light. Fluorescent material?  I've seen mostly concrete.  A lot of times the fixed targets were painted on dedicated concrete pads.  There were tons of them at Edwards AFB.  In the Travis AFB map view I linked to in my original post, you can see how they're painted on.  It's important to note that a lot of times, these were painted on taxiways, rather than runways, which seem to be concrete more often than asphalt (I have no great evidence other than personal experience to back that up, though).


I wonder if a material like gallium could be used to increase the conduction of something like a high altitude laser targeting system for an AC-130.That's a lot of good info. A lot to take in. I thought the last letter, "N", was just what LE agreed on it possibly being. What if some of the letters were warped, if the fabric was flowing in a fold? Or some couldn't be seen? I even thought, CORONER, CRON, CROW. So many possibilities. It was not 100% certain that those were ALL the correct letters - it was a good-educated guess. And these letters came up via hypnosis, if I'm not mistaken.

I also believe that tattoo was fake. The guy was to smart to let that big giveaway expose him. They had so many of those temporary, lift-off tattoos back then. In fact, they still do. It's so frustrating. There are clues, but they may not be correct, or real. There's a lot to go on, but none of it seems to lead to anything solid.

Nevertheless, the guy will be caught.

[samisdad]

Anyone ever see "Falcon and the Snowman"? Interesting.

[thetriplelindy]

Still not totally sold on this idea for the reasons I've already mentioned above, but I found it interesting that President Carter signed the first directive to support CIA / secret aid to the Mujahideen against a potential Soviet invasion of Afghanistan on July 3, 1979 as noted here:

www.counterpunch.org/1998/01/15/how-jimmy-carter-and-i-started-the-mujahideen/

With July 4 being a mid-week holiday, I'm wondering if it was an "all-hands" type scenario to scramble for reconnaissance information. The latest satellite recon information would be critical to quick support and planning and it provides one explanation as to why someone might be called into a calibration task unexpectedly in that others would be away for the holiday. I don't have any direct correlation necessarily, but something to consider as one reason the jackets might be necessary (to identify atypical resources deploying targets that particular night for what Brzezinski thought would be the Soviet Union's "Vietnam").

[shard]

Good work again. I assume calibrations in the southern hemisphere also took place later, Australia perhaps? Hello Mr. Cruel. 2018 should be interesting.