Post by findons on Nov 28, 2017 20:37:14 GMT
First, I am sorry for Mr. Weans troubles in Ventura County. Of course I have to respond one more time to this story. After reading just the pages from chapter 31 you have posted I have to say I had several reactions one of the first was - many people wrote sensational stories about how they thought the story of WHY Lyman and Charlene were murdered went - many times without real concrete proof. The first question I had after reading this was WHAT YEAR was it written? As shown it was published in 1992. At least the second edition was. So what that means is the first edition came out prior to 1992. What have we learned about this case since 1980 besides the fact that Lyman and Charlene were bludgeoned to death and that Charlene was raped? We have absolute proof that the ORIGINAL NIGHT STALKER AKA EAST AREA RAPIST are the same guy and we know this as absolute irrefutable fact because Charlene had been raped and DNA connected a serial rapist and murderer as the perpetrator of the crimes. So - dredging up this old story which are about corruption at the time - in this case regarding the reason Lyman and Charlene were murdered it is completely and utterly incorrect. We KNOW ONS did it and we know SERIAL KILLERS have their own agendas so the chapter pages you posted are a fantasy that came from rumor that was spread about back in 1980 when no one knew anything as they sought to explain why Lyman and Charlene were murdered.
It is my common sense that tells me based on facts of the case and the proof of DNA and so on that this very old story once again about who and why the Smith's were murdered is just that - a story made up based on the rumors of the time - none of which actually explain with any proof whatsoever what the facts are. Maybe the guy who wrote it and who had such a hard time trying to sue Ventura County has a story to tell that is true about many of the things he writes about in this book - BUT this particular chapter is just what he surmised. The facts are ONS killed the Smith's just as he murdered the Harrington's, Cheri Domingo and Greg Sanchez, Manuela Witthuhn, Janelle Cruz and Drs. Robert Offerman and Debra. A. Manning. Where is the book written about conspiracy theories with Judges, and others involved in getting rid of all of them?
Everyone has the right to believe whatever they choose to obviously, but in this case with what are irrefutable FACTS learned since 1980 how does anyone really explain how both stories could actually be true? I am just making an argument for the truth here. Either they were murdered by a serial killer or they were not. What do the facts tell us? Please do not take offense as I am reacting and responding to the pages you posted. I am aware of this story and it is not new to me. So people can believe what they want to but Mr. Wean, at the time he wrote this did not know the facts regarding the murders. Like many who try to fit the pieces together - in this case it turned out that this part of the story is fantasy regarding the reasons for Lyman Smith and Charlene's murders and is just not true. Isn't it time to stop trying to confuse the truth with sensationalistic stories? That way maybe we can concentrate on the facts we know while we investigate or research what we can prove in order to find the guy who really murdered all of these good people? I am certain Mr. Wean's book is interesting because of the corruption that can happen places and because of what happened to him and that I do believe, but the murders theory? Not so. In this part of the story I wish people could see the truth. Thanks for the opportunity to speak to this and thank you for listening.
The book second edition was published as follows:
Publisher: Casitas Books; 2nd edition (September 1, 1992)
Language: English
This comment came from Amazon first edition written in the 1980's.
Originally purchased back in the late eighties (a first edition copy) as apart of research into the JFK assassination, the insight gained by reading this book was really remarkable
I've done some fact checking on information in the book and what I have been able to verify has been accurate. If Mr. Wean had not been accurate in with the facts in the book, he would have been sued, especially since he was reporting on corruption among attorneys who would not have taken inaccurate disparaging characterizations lightly . Wean probably would have liked to have been sued, since that would have finally have given him his day in court and an opportunity to get on public record all the information that he had been denied due process under the law.
Wean because of his prior employment as an investigator with the Public Defender's office and as a LAPD officer was well connected with the law enforcement community. If the autopsy results are ever released, I'll be curious to see if the wounds on Lyman and Charlene were closer to wounds inflicted by a lead pipe vs. a wood log.
I don't know if you have been reading the long thread that Albion has been posting to for a number of years, but he had made a solid case that EARONS was contracted to kill his victims and had ties to some of powerful people in politics and the movie industry. Wean's book, highlights corruption and ties with both of these groups as well.
I'm just a simple girl so I look at things in a very simple way. What I do know is that people don't get murdered without a reason. Money and sex are the two most common reasons. Even people that are considered insane when they kill strangers usually have a reason, although it may not make sense to anyone but them. Most murders that are sex motivated are solved because the murderer knows the victim. Most money murders are solved because the murderer gets a financial benefit from the victim's death. So that leaves these outlier crimes where there is no obvious motive.
We know it was EAR due to the DNA. We also know that EAR had a long history of sex crimes so he knows how to commit serial rape without getting caught. So why murder his victims now if it was only about getting more sex? Why at the first failed Goleta attack was he chanting gonna kill you over and over as if he was having to psych himself up? I've read hundreds of accounts of serial murders and victims that have escaped and not one of them indicated that their attacker was hesitant about the their intent to kill. The killing in these other attacks was part of the fantasy and the serial killer savored the kill.
Albion has made a strong case that EARONS started committing contract killings. The Wean book certainly supports Albion's case. EARONS actions show that he did not relish the idea of killing H&H and his chanting triggered a string of events that allowed them to escape. Perhaps, EARONS was not contracted to kill his victims but he also did not harbor the same type of visually complicated sensory stimulating kill fantasy that we have seen with other serial killers making that another outlier.
This is simple Serial Killers do not typically kill over money. The motivations of a serial killer should be studied by people who think that ONS crossed over from being what he was - which is a serial killer who was motivated by POWER AND CONTROL and his own hidden agenda not a murder for hire. You say a strong case has been made here. I say prove it beyond a reasonable doubt and if that cannot be done then I say stop dredging up a book written in the 1980's before we knew the facts of this case and that a serial killer as yet identified murdered all of the victims. Dead people cannot defend themselves. You talk about due process. Lyman and Charlene and the other murder victims have not had justice here. They have also not been afforded due process. No one has proven beyond a reasonable doubt that what Mr. Weans has said about Lyman Smith is true. I say prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. Call an expert and find out about the motivations of serial killers and see what they think of the idea that a serial killer could be a hit man. Many would probably say are you kidding me? About the autopsy - look at Crime Watch daily and check out the report of the injury to Charlene's head wound that they showed on television for everyone to see not long ago and ask an expert what they think of her head wound and what likely made it. LE said it was the fireplace log found between them with blood and probably other matter on it. Albion took a poll recently on this board asking what people thought of the theory - hit man possibility. Most around 90% do not believe that scenario to be likely. That is a pretty tall statistic of non believers in this possibility here.
I could pick apart what Mr. Weans says in this chapter which was based on the rumors of the day as people tried to figure out why Lyman Smith and Charlene were murdered. The active word here is RUMORS. Also it is conjecture on my part as to why Mr. Wean was not sued over this book, but I would bet that the Smith family never saw it or they might have put together a suit. When your loved ones are murdered the way they were the family tried not to think about it for many years. Having to fight or sue over a murdered persons reputation is typically not on the very top of the list and certainly not after law enforcement tells you they were murdered by a serial killer. My suggestion is to really study other serial killers and their motivations. BTK, Ted Bundy, the list is very long. Anyone have any statistics on how many serial killers were for hire as hit men? Ask the experts on serial killer behaviors and let us know what you find. Like I said before I am certain there is corruption and I am certain Mr. Wean experienced what he writes about and it is unfortunate. I also say the chapter on Lyman Smith is based on rumors about why he was killed. There was quite a lot of name dropping going on then and especially in this case. It seems to suit him well to add this since Lyman Smith was not around to defend himself. Lyman was a good and fair man and Charlene was a good woman. They did not cause their own deaths - a serial killer named ONS did. The other murder victims were also killed by a man who was motivated by Power and Control and he liked to terrorize his victims. None of these victims have had justice, none have had due process. If ONS is still alive and IF he is ever found and brought to justice EVEN HE will have the ability to defend himself. Not so here with Lyman and Charlene Smith since we sill never hear their voices again.