Reports of prowling in Rancho Cordova

[nick]

Dec 11, 2017 0:45:33 GMT Any of N said:

Dec 6, 2017 2:30:42 GMT nick said:

Exactly what I have been investigating for months and months. He was having erection issues he was wanted for murder and he went back to what got him started in the first place back to the thrilling portion that he craved and desired??? Maybe.

But does that really make sense from a psycho-sexual perspective? Over time, it takes more and more to stimulate him. It's a ritual buildup from prowling, to breaking and entering, to sexual assault, to murder. On an individual attack, each step increases the pleasure and makes him desire the next. 

If you go on a diet, you don't stop with smelling your food or just chewing your food. Satiation doesn't work that way. You eat less or eat different food.

True but if you add in a stressor like saying fear of being caught combined with maybe starting a family you get an offender who will have to alter his behaviors and maybe he found a female that would tolerate some of his sexual behaviors while he feared to show her the complete package. So he alters his patterns in an attempt to gain back that power and control he had at that start. We know he had some control at the start if was later he seemed to have lost control as he aged.

Sometimes an offender like a drug addict who has been off the drug will go back to what started it in attempt to gain that first high again. There is also the possibility he became pickier on victim type and failed to locate in his mind, suitable victims or with a female at home he was satisfied with prowling and performed the sex act with a spouse at home? The possibilities are endless I still think the biggest factor is the fear of being caught.

[MJP]

This is about murders in Rancho Cordova reported in The Grapevine; don't think it needs its own thread so am posting the question here.

There's a 1970 GV article about two female skeletons found close to Cemo Circle. They were buried ~1969. One appeared to have had their skull crushed and there was evidence also of the victims being shot. There doesn't seem to be any follow up articles in the GV.

Do any of the RC posters remember hearing about these victims?

Or if anyone has access to the SacBee archives, can you see if there's any information about what happened with the police investigation; thanks.

[almagata]

Dec 29, 2017 2:05:52 GMT MJP said:

This is about murders in Rancho Cordova reported in The Grapevine; don't think it needs its own thread so am posting the question here.

There's a 1970 GV article about two female skeletons found close to Cemo Circle. They were buried ~1969. One appeared to have had their skull crushed and there was evidence also of the victims being shot. There doesn't seem to be any follow up articles in the GV.

Do any of the RC posters remember hearing about these victims?

Or if anyone has access to the SacBee archives, can you see if there's any information about what happened with the police investigation; thanks.

Here is the story I found in the 07/07/1970 Bee.

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[MJP]

Dec 29, 2017 3:21:56 GMT almagata said:

Dec 29, 2017 2:05:52 GMT MJP said:

This is about murders in Rancho Cordova reported in The Grapevine; don't think it needs its own thread so am posting the question here.

There's a 1970 GV article about two female skeletons found close to Cemo Circle. They were buried ~1969. One appeared to have had their skull crushed and there was evidence also of the victims being shot. There doesn't seem to be any follow up articles in the GV.

Do any of the RC posters remember hearing about these victims?

Or if anyone has access to the SacBee archives, can you see if there's any information about what happened with the police investigation; thanks.

Here is the story I found in the 07/07/1970 Bee.

Thanks for looking Almagata and for posting the article.

I know from another thread that Sacramento had more than its fair share of serial killers and I wonder if these two victims were from a known SK series.  

[Jay7777]

Great find MJP and almagata!

[almagata]

The girls were identified as Sandra Lee Beckendorf & Elaine Marchelle Kell, both 16 years old. 

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[MJP]

Dec 29, 2017 4:10:35 GMT almagata said:

The girls were identified as Sandra Lee Beckendorf & Elaine Marchelle Kell, both 16 years old. 

Thanks Almagata.  You're always generous with your time in searching for newspaper articles and I do really appreciate it.  

What a horrific crime, made worse by those poor parents waiting so long to find out what happened to their daughters.    

[nick]

Yet another murder in Rancho of young girls. Rancho has had more than a few things happening before during and after EAR series. Many of these crimes still go unsolved and seemingly forgotten by only a few and their numbers dwindle every day as they age and died themselves. There is so much information that is being lost every day in many cases not just EAR but so many victims and families have not had their justice that is deserved. There are some connections to be made in a few cases that I believe are tied together I am working to prove it but it takes a tremendous amount of time and energy. I am still pushing EAR to the forefront but will do my best to get as much information from families victims and former LE before the leads all disappear.

[almagata]

Dec 29, 2017 5:02:02 GMT MJP said:

Dec 29, 2017 4:10:35 GMT almagata said:

The girls were identified as Sandra Lee Beckendorf & Elaine Marchelle Kell, both 16 years old. 

Thanks Almagata.  You're always generous with your time in searching for newspaper articles and I do really appreciate it.  

What a horrific crime, made worse by those poor parents waiting so long to find out what happened to their daughters.    

You are welcome.  I have a list of cases that were in articles from the Sac Bee.  I can find them fairly quickly now.  I wish all the Grapevine articles were available on-line as well.  

[Any of N]

MJP -- Do you ever come across reports of EAR-like prowling that date to an earlier period, such as the 1960's? They could serve as sort-of a control sample. If such reports had always popped up on occasion, that would be something to consider when assessing one from the 70's or 80's.

[trabuco]

C&C Auto? Seems I've read something about that place before. Maybe it was on questerfiles.com not sure but was thinking about one day when I was reading something about the Sons of Sam. I'm sure it was mostly speculation.

[trabuco]

Dec 29, 2017 3:21:56 GMT almagata said:

Dec 29, 2017 2:05:52 GMT MJP said:

This is about murders in Rancho Cordova reported in The Grapevine; don't think it needs its own thread so am posting the question here.

There's a 1970 GV article about two female skeletons found close to Cemo Circle. They were buried ~1969. One appeared to have had their skull crushed and there was evidence also of the victims being shot. There doesn't seem to be any follow up articles in the GV.

Do any of the RC posters remember hearing about these victims?

Or if anyone has access to the SacBee archives, can you see if there's any information about what happened with the police investigation; thanks.

Here is the story I found in the 07/07/1970 Bee.

I wonder if LE ever did any ballistics tests on that slug?

[MJP]

Jan 6, 2018 1:31:29 GMT Any of N said:

MJP -- Do you ever come across reports of EAR-like prowling that date to an earlier period, such as the 1960's? They could serve as sort-of a control sample. If such reports had always popped up on occasion, that would be something to consider when assessing one from the 70's or 80's.

Hi Any of N - whilst I've previously skimmed through the 60s issues (68-69 only) I wasn't looking for prowling reports; will go back and check. 

However, my recollection is that, in its early years, The Grapevine tended towards wholesome community content rather than crime (other than for serious crime) so I'm not too hopeful of finding a lot of prowling reports.

[findons]

Dec 5, 2017 6:09:32 GMT nick said:

There are reports in the Orangevale neighborhood that I posted on as well. There is no reason we can not assume he returned or was still at least performing his favorite part of his ritual prowling and stalking victims. I posted about the Orangevale neighborhood cluster I found that has EAR type activity and one other thing we have to consider is some victims may not have reported prowling stalking entering of homes and actual sexual assaults. I personally believe there were even more EAR activities that did not get reported by victims for their own reasons.

I totally agree there were even more activities from EAR that were not reported. The time frame that these crimes were committed was different. The world was different. People were not suspicious or concerned each in their own neighborhoods back then. I knew every family that lived in each house on two streets and beyond and still recall their names today.  We were not worried about a young guy walking in the neighborhood or standing alone.  To me the only thing that made this guy stand out was his lack of concern during his wanderings.  He would just stand there and look right back at whoever was looking at him.  Almost as though he dared the person - typically he was the one who would end up staring down the person who saw him.   At least it seemed so.

While investigating these crimes and reports of prowling's it reminded me of the young man who chased me down that summer day in my neighborhood.  He just stood there watching and looked utterly unconcerned about who might see or hear as I pounded on the door and screamed for someone to open the door.  He calmly stood there waiting for the result.  If the door was not answered he stood ready to drag me off while the other guy waited in the truck.  There is a certain amount of arrogance that goes with this type of criminal.

It took close to a minute for the door to be opened while he stood there and watched.  No look of fear or concern did I see on his face as I glanced over my shoulder.  He must have known of the mentality of his potential victims during the time frame of the 70's - a lot of things went unreported. 

[findons]

Dec 29, 2017 3:21:56 GMT almagata said:

Dec 29, 2017 2:05:52 GMT MJP said:

This is about murders in Rancho Cordova reported in The Grapevine; don't think it needs its own thread so am posting the question here.

There's a 1970 GV article about two female skeletons found close to Cemo Circle. They were buried ~1969. One appeared to have had their skull crushed and there was evidence also of the victims being shot. There doesn't seem to be any follow up articles in the GV.

Do any of the RC posters remember hearing about these victims?

Or if anyone has access to the SacBee archives, can you see if there's any information about what happened with the police investigation; thanks.

Here is the story I found in the 07/07/1970 Bee.

It would seem like they could do DNA testing on any evidence that might have been kept to find the guy who did this.  Do you know what the outcome was after they found the bodies?  Sure glad I did not know about all of the murders that happened back then.