New Sacramento Investigative Leads Announced Today

[morf13]

Feb 3, 2018 3:17:57 GMT greenapple said:

Feb 3, 2018 3:01:16 GMT nocomment said:

This attitude is ripe throughout this board and this thread already. It's also a common thread in every cold case - why weren't we given information? 

We are privileged with the amount of info we have in this case, that detectives sacrificed their careers, went against the grain, organised and released large amounts of case info. Much of which would never be released in other cases.

Information control is important in any criminal investigation, what information, when you release, how you release it and how much info you release contributes to the quality of leads it generates, and how far that information disseminates through the public. Too much info, people get information overload, they lose interest and have to identify the most important parts themselves or forget those parts, this is not effective. It is better to isolate the most important information that will generate leads and release it. People have short attention spans and short memories, especially when they don't have an obsessive interest in true crime. 


This information may have been buried somewhere in the case files, somebody reviewed it, checked out the dates and felt it was more important than it had previously been given credit - felt it more probable to have been the perp. Or possibly this was a tip from somebody who recently remembered the event or rumour of it, and it wasn't in the files previously. Whatever the reason, LE are releasing it now and making an appeal for information, and they are still doing so with some scepticism that it may not have been the perp. 

These are both interesting info releases, I can understand why both may not have been previously released, there are dozens of reasons we cant grasp because we are not qualified, experienced or trained in criminal investigation, or officially involved and briefed on this case. It may have nothing to do with incompetence and everything to do with competence.

Isn't it more productive and interesting to talk about this information, than circlejerk negativity, bashing law enforcement and being ungrateful? 

I have no personal position on whether or not the shoulder injured man was EARONS, but there are some damn good reasons it may have been, I am grateful LE are releasing this now and running with it and that they have waited to release it with this fox40 production, which reaches Sac locals, and so far has been damn excellent. Hopefully, somebody from back then remembers the right injured friend or family member and turns in a tip. This new series is winding up to be really exciting, what could be next - and what could be being held out for the CNN exposé which may be targetted at a larger audience and could involve new information regarding SoCal or other areas. 

From the article: "Currently, a lead investigators are pursuing involve a patient at the now-closed American River Hospital. Detectives say this man visited the hospital on May 30, 1977 shortly before noon seeking treatment for a possible broken shoulder. Staff suspected the man may have been the East Area Rapist and contacted the sheriff's department.

The man fled before deputies could arrive."

Authorities were called. If they did not speak to the staff that suspected him, then it is even that much more damning, especially since they know that two days before he jumped into a steep canal. If they did and withheld that information from the public at the time, I just do not know what to say. That is beyond incompetence. Funny how the only, at least that I am aware of, LEO on this board is dumbfounded as to why this was not released much, much sooner.

Several posts here make it seem as if the cops have been sitting on this lead for 40 years. That's probably not the case. They have been (I have heard from multiple sources)re-hashing and pouring thru the old Sacramento reports(and contrary to belief, there are some left that didn't get thrown out)and working possible clues. They probably came across this item and looked into it more, and that's what lead to this latest news

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[weiss]

The hospital staff called the cops and he fled in 1977 - this new lead is 41 years old. Fat chance this amounts to a hill of beans.

[morf13]

Feb 3, 2018 3:23:32 GMT almagata said:

new SSD Facebook message. www.facebook.com/SacSheriff/videos/1156432447827275/

Quite helpful, and I think they are referencing one of these crimes for January 1973 in RC, the only January 73 mentions of burglaries in the RC Grapevine. They also said that the guy was between 16 & 22 in 1973 at time of these burglaries, so between 19 & 25 in 1976

[greenapple]

Feb 3, 2018 3:29:28 GMT morf13 said:

Feb 3, 2018 3:17:57 GMT greenapple said:

From the article: "Currently, a lead investigators are pursuing involve a patient at the now-closed American River Hospital. Detectives say this man visited the hospital on May 30, 1977 shortly before noon seeking treatment for a possible broken shoulder. Staff suspected the man may have been the East Area Rapist and contacted the sheriff's department.

The man fled before deputies could arrive."

Authorities were called. If they did not speak to the staff that suspected him, then it is even that much more damning, especially since they know that two days before he jumped into a steep canal. If they did and withheld that information from the public at the time, I just do not know what to say. That is beyond incompetence. Funny how the only, at least that I am aware of, LEO on this board is dumbfounded as to why this was not released much, much sooner.

Several posts here make it seem as if the cops have been sitting on this lead for 40 years. That's probably not the case. They have been (I have heard from multiple sources)re-hashing and pouring thru the old Sacramento reports(and contrary to belief, there are some left that didn't get thrown out)and working possible clues. They probably came across this item and looked into it more, and that's what lead to this latest news

I think you're misunderstanding me. I tend to agree with you that they likely did not sit on this info all of these years and instead stumbled across this tidbit while going through old files. That's not what I'm driving at though. I'm speaking about the officers involved at that time, not those that came afterwards or current ones.

[nick]

The connections showing EAR was in and around burglarizing in 1973 in the Rancho area is becoming much clearer. It also connects to the thread I had where the ADEPT unit was formed to combat serial burglaries that were occurring in the 1972 -1973 timeframe and to me making the VR connection less probable due to sheer numbers of activities occurring in the same time frame. Like I said before the internal Sheriff memos showed someone was thinking this prolific sexual type burglar was progressing and evolving into a sexual sex offender. I am more confident than ever the more that is released that LE was on to something at least someone within the Rancho assigned units had an idea they were going to have a problem on their hands as this unknown offender moved forward to sex assault and I think I know who now.

Dammit, let someone come forward and identify this POS we call EAR.

[tman2004]

Feb 3, 2018 3:35:59 GMT weiss said:

The hospital staff called the cops and he fled in 1977 - this new lead is 41 years old. Fat chance this amounts to a hill of beans.

According to most people the possible sightings of the ear are so generic that they looked like every white dude from back then. What about this shoulder injury guy made them think it could have been the ear? How did they know the Id was stolen? Its not like they ran it like a credit card and it came back stolen... Am I missing something or are things not adding up?

[findons]

Feb 3, 2018 3:23:32 GMT almagata said:

new SSD Facebook message. www.facebook.com/SacSheriff/videos/1156432447827275/

I find this very interesting as you can imagine.  The Fourth Parkway attack if he got hurt while leaving the scene as they say or think he would have he had to run down the street through a side yard to a back fence and then jump the fence falling into the creek.  The attack off 4th Parkway (which is just down the street from Sky Parkway - I have photographs of this in my book) and this IS the creek I have been talking about (Morrison Creek).  The scene of the attack was not backed to the creek (I think this because of the 4th Parkway address they always mention.  It was down the street from the corner of 4th and Sky Parkway.  So the most direct route to jump a fence and hop over to the creek would have been down the street and through a side yard over the back fence and into the creek.  Of course Law Enforcement has the address of the attack.  

The only other way he could have gotten to the creek from there was to run down Sky Parkway to the bridge (also shown in my book) near the corner of Steiner Drive and 53rd Avenue.  This would have given him access to the creek there but again if he fell he could have hurt himself there as well.  
I will try to post the geographic or Topographic map showing this.  (I grew up .5 mile from this attack) Roughly 3 blocks)

[nick]

Feb 3, 2018 3:35:59 GMT weiss said:

The hospital staff called the cops and he fled in 1977 - this new lead is 41 years old. Fat chance this amounts to a hill of beans.

Taken by itself as a single incident that may be true however it is helping me to prove the connection of the 1972 to 1976 Rancho Cordova burglary suspect who was sexual by the nature of items taken and things done inside the homes of the victims. This may help eliminate and highlight  POI that I and others have in mind with the connection. I do not think it has zero value I believe it will help to prove and maybe disprove some connections and after all an investigation is a series of connections drawing lines to connect the dots until the picture comes into full view.

[Any of N]

How did they tie the "prescription lenses" to a specific optometry shop? (The article refers to glasses but the reporter, Ali Wolf, refers to the lenses in the video.) Was it the materials they were made of or the specific prescription? If it was the latter, it might say something about the EAR's eyesight, and presumably that would be something unusual.

EDIT: From the media release.

Anyone with knowledge of an investigation of a subject that was a patient at the now-closed Bay Area Union Professional Center located in 1973 at 6311 Fair Oaks Blvd in Carmichael, CA. Detectives from the Sacramento County Sheriff’s Department visited this optical center to attempt to identify a subject from a pair of prescription lenses dropped at the scene of a burglary in Rancho Cordova in January 1973. The burglary victims stated detectives advised them they had been able to identify a possible suspect in the case from the lens prescription and description of the suspect. It doesn’t appear any case was filed, nor arrest made and the identity of the optical patient they identified is unknown. The burglary suspect was described as a white male, 16-22, 5’8’ to 5’10” tall, 160-180 pounds, with medium brown hair touching the ears. He was wearing shoes that left a “waffle print” pattern. We are specifically looking for information about employees of the optical center, or persons familiar with the staff at the center in 1973 who may have information if contacted.

www.sacsheriff.com/media/Release.aspx?id=1769

I take it that the original police reports are long gone and it was the victims who brought this up again years later. That's what it sounds like. Somebody bought a pair of glasses with the right prescription from a nearby optical shop who fit the description of the '73 burglar (who also fit the description of the EAR). Who knows if it was an unusual prescription. That info too is likely long gone.

[Ranger71]

Feb 3, 2018 3:40:54 GMT tman2004 said:

Feb 3, 2018 3:35:59 GMT weiss said:

The hospital staff called the cops and he fled in 1977 - this new lead is 41 years old. Fat chance this amounts to a hill of beans.

According to most people the possible sightings of the ear are so generic that they looked like every white dude from back then. What about this shoulder injury guy made them think it could have been the ear? How did they know the Id was stolen? Its not like they ran it like a credit card and it came back stolen... Am I missing something or are things not adding up?

Maybe the general physical description that had been given was something they recognized, or maybe he was acting jumpy and weird? Did they call the police right in front of him i wonder? At least they could've done that secretively to stall for a little time.

[findons]

Feb 3, 2018 3:01:16 GMT nocomment said:

Feb 3, 2018 1:48:55 GMT greenapple said:

An absolute shame that we're only learning about this now. I'm struggling to think of good reasons as to why this was not released at the time, blasted all over town.

This attitude is ripe throughout this board and this thread already. It's also a common thread in every cold case - why weren't we given information? 

We are privileged with the amount of info we have in this case, that detectives sacrificed their careers, went against the grain, organised and released large amounts of case info. Much of which would never be released in other cases.

Information control is important in any criminal investigation, what information, when you release, how you release it and how much info you release contributes to the quality of leads it generates, and how far that information disseminates through the public. Too much info, people get information overload, they lose interest and have to identify the most important parts themselves or forget those parts, this is not effective. It is better to isolate the most important information that will generate leads and release it. People have short attention spans and short memories, especially when they don't have an obsessive interest in true crime. 


This information may have been buried somewhere in the case files, somebody reviewed it, checked out the dates and felt it was more important than it had previously been given credit - felt it more probable to have been the perp. Or possibly this was a tip from somebody who recently remembered the event or rumour of it, and it wasn't in the files previously. Whatever the reason, LE are releasing it now and making an appeal for information, and they are still doing so with some scepticism that it may not have been the perp. 

These are both interesting info releases, I can understand why both may not have been previously released, there are dozens of reasons we cant grasp because we are not qualified, experienced or trained in criminal investigation, or officially involved and briefed on this case. It may have nothing to do with incompetence and everything to do with competence.

Isn't it more productive and interesting to talk about this information, than circlejerk negativity, bashing law enforcement and being ungrateful? 

I have no personal position on whether or not the shoulder injured man was EARONS, but there are some damn good reasons it may have been, I am grateful LE are releasing this now and running with it and that they have waited to release it with this fox40 production, which reaches Sac locals, and so far has been damn excellent. Hopefully, somebody from back then remembers the right injured friend or family member and turns in a tip. This new series is winding up to be really exciting, what could be next - and what could be being held out for the CNN exposé which may be targetted at a larger audience and could involve new information regarding SoCal or other areas. 

There are always very good reasons why things were not released long ago or sooner than they were.  It would have been great to have known these details before the hospital closed but again LE may not have known yet and as they dig deeper now maybe this just came to light.  It is just a shame that we could not have known more sooner (as in any case) we just want the case to be concluded somehow and since it has been so long it would be nice to be done and have all the answers.  I appreciate what LE is doing at this point for sure.  

[nick]

Feb 3, 2018 3:40:54 GMT tman2004 said:

Feb 3, 2018 3:35:59 GMT weiss said:

The hospital staff called the cops and he fled in 1977 - this new lead is 41 years old. Fat chance this amounts to a hill of beans.

According to most people the possible sightings of the ear are so generic that they looked like every white dude from back then. What about this shoulder injury guy made them think it could have been the ear? How did they know the Id was stolen? Its not like they ran it like a credit card and it came back stolen... Am I missing something or are things not adding up?

LE discovered the ID was stolen when they went to the hospital after receiving a call from staff. It had been reported by the victim as stolen two years prior to it being used by the suspect from what I read. I am going to start looking for anything in internal memos from Sheriff the problem I think I am going to run into is this report was taken by North Patrol Sheriff's Deputies and my contact has South Patrol documents. I think that is why I had not heard of it before now the patrol divisions are separate with one being in Downtown Sacramento (South) and the other being off Garfield Ave (North) I think the address is technically Sacramento but it's near Citrus Heights. 

[redding2]

Feb 3, 2018 3:40:44 GMT nick said:

The connections showing EAR was in and around burglarizing in 1973 in the Rancho area is becoming much clearer. It also connects to the thread I had where the ADEPT unit was formed to combat serial burglaries that were occurring in the 1972 -1973 timeframe and to me making the VR connection less probable due to sheer numbers of activities occurring in the same time frame. Like I said before the internal Sheriff memos showed someone was thinking this prolific sexual type burglar was progressing and evolving into a sexual sex offender. I am more confident than ever the more that is released that LE was on to something at least someone within the Rancho assigned units had an idea they were going to have a problem on their hands as this unknown offender moved forward to sex assault and I think I know who now.

Dammit, let someone come forward and identify this POS we call EAR.

To me it still would seem that the EAR grew up in Rancho Cordova, and that he then moved to Visalia for two years and that he then returned to the Sacramento area.

[Ranger71]

On the other side of RT 99 from 4th Parkway it looks like there's a Public Health complex, along with some Union Buildings(Governors Circle)which is interesting.