"Mr. Cruel" - Melbourne, Austrailia

[hellwig]

Mar 24, 2016 20:50:18 GMT sophierose said:

I know this is an old thread, but I just listened to the unresolved podcast on Mr. Cruel and I am shocked at the similarities between the ear and mr. Cruel. It's truly worth a listen.

The similarities include- stalking victims and getting to know them over long periods of time before acting, dropping Red herrings (such talking as if someone else is in the room with him, when there was no one else there), tying up his victims with an intricate nautical knot after telling them to turn onto their stomachs, stating he was just there for money/theft when he had much different intentions, his mask and the weapons he used, ransacking and eating victims food mid assault, cutting phone lines, taking random items as tokens, attacking in mid to upper class neighborhoods. It's also interesting to note that he began his crimes in 1987.

Don't get me wrong, I am not insinuating that he and ear are one and the same, there are also many differences in their motives and crimes... but I really was shocked as the similarities piled up as I listened along, just when I thought there couldn't be any more, there would be another. Quite eerie.

I agree. I Left some of the links below in my introductory New Members post, but i'll post them again here for anyone interested. The guy who does the podcasts did a great job on all of these (WARNING: Do NOT listen to these before beddy-byes time)

EARONS Parts 1,2, & 3
www.youtube.com/watch?v=yVN47lHYvtA
www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjSsAU1UMX4
www.youtube.com/watch?v=by5hiIhukS4

Mr Cruel
www.youtube.com/watch?v=9242_pLiSgM

And here's another EARONS podcast, not quiet as thorough or well researched etc, but maybe still worth a listen to some on here:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxZHU8DbN6Y


I listened to the Mr Cruel podcast a month or so after the EARONS ones, and about half way through I started the Mr Cruel one from the beginning again and started taking notes. I counted 40+ similarities and points of interest between the two cases! I'll prolly get around to typing them up next time I'm online.

Imitation being the sincerest form of flattery, if it ain't him, it's definitely his number 1 fan.

*Edit 
Also, just briefly alluding to the Sensing Murder show in general, this short YT clip pretty much sums up my opinion of it:      
 
  www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVQBEbiEOJs

Very apt title!

I guess the show is a good thing in that it highlights the specific crime(s) to the public. However, not a single crime has been solved by any "psychic" on this show - they pretty just regurgitate facts or details that anyone can find out for themselves. 

[Mitchell]

Hellwig said,

Also, just briefly alluding to the Sensing Murder show in general, this short YT clip pretty much sums up my opinion of it:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVQBEbiEOJs

Very apt title!

I guess the show is a good thing in that it highlights the specific crime(s) to the public. However, not a single crime has been solved by any "psychic" on this show - they pretty just regurgitate facts or details that anyone can find out for themselves.

You don't say?

Your name brings to mind that grand old orchestral, "Devils Haircut" by young master Beck.

[hellwig]

May 7, 2016 12:23:20 GMT Mitchell said:

Hellwig said,

You don't say?



Your name brings to mind that grand old orchestral, "Devils Haircut" by young master Beck.

You don't say?



Your name brings to mind that grand old orchestral, "Devils Haircut" by young master Beck.


I've heard the song, never associated my screen name with it in that way before. Very clever of you!

My name choice had nothing to do with that, tho. It's a reference to the real identity of a (now deceased, R.I.P) pro wrassler, one of my childhood idols, that's all. I'm more of a classic rock/metal kinda guy, truth be told.

I'll have to look on this site for some music threads and post a vid of me playing some Satch or some such when I get around to it. "Always with me..." anybody?

[Mitchell]

May 11, 2016 0:27:11 GMT hellwig said:

May 7, 2016 12:23:20 GMT Mitchell said:

Hellwig said, You don't say?



Your name brings to mind that grand old orchestral, "Devils Haircut" by young master Beck.


I've heard the song, never associated my screen name with it in that way before. Very clever of you!

My name choice had nothing to do with that, tho. It's a reference to the real identity of a (now deceased, R.I.P) pro wrassler, one of my childhood idols, that's all. I'm more of a classic rock/metal kinda guy, truth be told.

I'll have to look on this site for some music threads and post a vid of me playing some Satch or some such when I get around to it. "Always with me..." anybody?

It's all good. I was just joking around.

I'd watch that video.

[hellwig]

Also, for those waiting (with baited breath ) for my "points of comparison/interest" re EARONS AND Mr Cruel, I seem to have misplaced the scraps of paper I wrote all the * down on, but have no fear! I'm currently downloading the 4 podcasts again in preparation for rewriting it all and posting it sometime this week. Might make interesting reading to a few people, or not...

[ketchnrelease]

May 23, 2016 23:08:58 GMT hellwig said:

Also, for those waiting (with baited breath ) for my "points of comparison/interest" re EARONS AND Mr Cruel, I seem to have misplaced the scraps of paper I wrote all the * down on, but have no fear! I'm currently downloading the 4 podcasts again in preparation for rewriting it all and posting it sometime this week. Might make interesting reading to a few people, or not...

Allright! I'm looking forward to this research of yours. It will be very interesting to see if there are any Zodicisque traits that come to the surface?

[ketchnrelease]

Mr Cruel/Ear/Ons and Zodiac the same person? No way....not in a million years!
Yeah right He's the Colonial Parkway Killer too huh?

[trabuco]

There could be a link between EAR and Mr. Cruel. I understand that Big Top Pizza had an organ that was disassembled and part of it was shipped to Australia. Now we know from the children Mr. Cruel let go that he had something in his place that he kept covered with a blanket or something. What was that? Perhaps a trophy case? Part of organ from BTP?

[sammyt]

IMO he was probably using a blanket to cover a chest of drawers which had photographs etc on it.

I think he knew if he moved the photos, that his eagle eyed wife would realise they had been moved, so instead decided to cover them so he wouldn't have to replace them in their exact positions.

[ketchnrelease]

May 24, 2016 8:39:09 GMT sammyt said:

IMO he was probably using a blanket to cover a chest of drawers which had photographs etc on it.

I think he knew if he moved the photos, that his eagle eyed wife would realise they had been moved, so instead decided to cover them so he wouldn't have to replace them in their exact positions.

Would a person like this be married to a woman who notices everything or could she have inherited this 'eagle eye' from him?

[sammyt]

May 24, 2016 8:44:14 GMT ketchnrelease said:

May 24, 2016 8:39:09 GMT sammyt said:

IMO he was probably using a blanket to cover a chest of drawers which had photographs etc on it.

I think he knew if he moved the photos, that his eagle eyed wife would realise they had been moved, so instead decided to cover them so he wouldn't have to replace them in their exact positions.

Would a person like this be married to a woman who notices everything or could she have inherited this 'eagle eye' from him?

Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper, was married to an eagle eyed woman who noticed 'everything'.

She didn't notice his half dozen or so annual 'nights out' as anything out of the ordinary though.

For me, the Mr. Cruel case has all the hallmarks of an offender who had limited windows of opportunity to carry out his crimes.

IMO this suggests a professional person (probably worked in a profession involving children as offenders peep, stalk and covet their victims long before they act, and his child abduction fantasies wouldn't have just appeared overnight) who was married (limited attack windows - perhaps when wife was away, possible covering of incriminating photographs) and had no criminal record, and thus able to remain above suspicion.

[ketchnrelease]

May 24, 2016 9:11:39 GMT sammyt said:

May 24, 2016 8:44:14 GMT ketchnrelease said:

Would a person like this be married to a woman who notices everything or could she have inherited this 'eagle eye' from him?

Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper, was married to an eagle eyed woman who noticed 'everything'.

She didn't notice his half dozen or so annual 'nights out' as anything out of the ordinary though.

For me, the Mr. Cruel case has all the hallmarks of an offender who had limited windows of opportunity to carry out his crimes.

IMO this suggests a professional person (probably worked in a profession involving children as offenders peep, stalk and covet their victims long before they act, and his child abduction fantasies wouldn't have just appeared overnight) who was married (limited attack windows - perhaps when wife was away, possible covering of incriminating photographs) and had no criminal record, and thus able to remain above suspicion.

I would love to see his plans/blueprints as he most certainly kept them while commiting a crime of this magnitude which requires strict planning to orchestrate and pull off this type of crime.

[ketchnrelease]

May 24, 2016 9:32:58 GMT ketchnrelease said:

May 24, 2016 9:11:39 GMT sammyt said:

Peter Sutcliffe, the Yorkshire Ripper, was married to an eagle eyed woman who noticed 'everything'.

She didn't notice his half dozen or so annual 'nights out' as anything out of the ordinary though.

For me, the Mr. Cruel case has all the hallmarks of an offender who had limited windows of opportunity to carry out his crimes.

IMO this suggests a professional person (probably worked in a profession involving children as offenders peep, stalk and covet their victims long before they act, and his child abduction fantasies wouldn't have just appeared overnight) who was married (limited attack windows - perhaps when wife was away, possible covering of incriminating photographs) and had no criminal record, and thus able to remain above suspicion.

I would love to see his plans/blueprints as he most certainly kept them while commiting a crime of this magnitude which requires strict planning to orchestrate and pull off this type of crime.

Of course this type of offender is about as organized as it gets,so his plans on paper would be in code/ciphered just in case they fell into the wrong hands.

[sammyt]

I agree that this type of offender was extremely organised, and also think he would have been unable to conceal his rigid and organised personality in everyday life.

In other words, I think he was definitely a seemingly respectable, tax paying, clean the car on Sunday, member of the middle classes, rather than some street punk, living off the grid and crashing on a friend's sofa.

[hellwig]

Aaaaalllrighty then!
Please note, this "research", such as is was, is ENTIRELY based on 4 YT podcasts and a Dark Minds episode, and therefore obviously far from extensive or all encompassing, so feel free to add your own points, etc.

Also assume and & all incorrect facts are my own and not the podcast authors'. Apart from those 4 pods, I've have a quick perusal of a few pages here, and that's about it re EITHER of these cases, no books, no nothin', so I'm COUNTING on YOU more edgumicated EARONS/Mr Cruel folks to add to the * list!

The "Both" section:
1). always attacked in the late night/early morning hours.
2). often cut or ATTEMPTED to cut the phone lines prior to entry into a residence. As a side note, EARONS attempted and failed to cut the phone lines early on in his "career", but Mr Cruel seems to have been successful every time, if I am correct in this..?
3). were described by victims as being armed with a knife AND a gun.
4). wore a balaclava/ski mask during every attack.
5). were described as having an athletic body type.
6). were described as white and being a very similar height, MR Cruel as approx 5.8, EARONS as approx 5.8 - .10.
7). claimed to be only interested in their victims cash/vehicle initially, in order to gain quick compliance.
8). tied both the hands AND feet of each adult victim together (BOTH with shoelaces?).
9). ordered their adult victims onto their stomachs.
10). further attempted to subdue adult male and female victims with threats of violence and death.
11). used a complicated and unusual knot on at least some of their victims (same "Chinese Diamond" knot?).
12). blindfolded AND gagged each of the adult victims.
13). took frequent breaks from the assaults to wander randomly through the residence.
14). had a habit of making themselves a meal from the victims kitchen.
15). took occasional souvenirs, typically of a personal nature - driver's licenses etc, but little or nothing of real monetary value.
16). attempted to mislead victims into thinking they were in communication with someone else (Mr C's false call to "Bozo", EARONS' calling out to unseen/heard accomplices several times).
17). used the same base M.O described above over and over again.
18). shot at least 1 victim several times in the head "execution style".
19). spread their attacks around a fairly wide area, rather than localizing them to 1 specific region.
20). concentrated on middle and upper middle class neighborhoods for their crimes.
21). displayed more than passing knowledge of their victims schedules etc, indicating that they had carried out surveillance of their victims.
22). appeared to act in a quick, methodical and tactical manner in carrying out the initial part of the crime and in leaving the crime scenes - often described as military like in planning and execution.
23). were suspected of having ties to law enforcement, due to their seeming knowledge of police procedures.
24). cases have garnered several "persons of interest".
25). cases remain officially unsolved.

Further notes.
Firstly and most importantly, (according to the podcasts), the timelines of these 2 cases seem to dovetail seemingly PERFECTLY. Mr Cruel's attacks occurred between 1987 and 1990. EARONS' attacks seem to have stopped cold in 1986, and he appears to have stayed under the radar until the Cruz murder and seemingly confirmed phone calls to previous female victims, in 1991.
Also note the many military bases near at least some of the Calif. attacks, and an airforce base near the attacks in Melbourne, Aust.

The main things against the 2 being the same perp are:

1) At least 1 of the Australian child victims described her attacker as having a rough Australian accent, whereas EARONS was described as having a rather high voice (and according to Dark Minds, perhaps a BRITISH ACCENT). Bear in mind though, that a) he could be deliberately changing his voice in order to mislead (again), and b) EARONS was described as attempting to disguise his voice (and accent?) through speaking through clenched teeth.

2) EARONS only attacked adult victims, either sexually or otherwise, whereas MR C focused his sexual attacks on children. EARONS even went so far as to NOT attack 1 teenage girl upon learning she was still in high school and not going to college as he had (seemingly) thought.
Well, to buttress this somewhat, let me first say that the rape victims of EARONS noted that he did not seem to particularly ENJOY the purely sexual aspect of the attack, often losing his erection several times. His attacks seemed to be more "terrorist" in nature - trying causing as much suffering and mental torture as possible to the victim, and seemingly attempting to make the whole episode even more unpleasant by his overpowering body odor and bad breath, for example.
Also note that the Visalia Ransacker who is suspected by many to be EARONS before he "evolved", attempted to abduct a 14 yr old girl from her residence. He may have resorted to attacking adult female victims as EARONS (in part, at least) to distance himself from being connected to the
Ransacker. Also note that victims of EARONS described him as having an unusually small penis. I don't know about this er.. "aspect" in regards to Mr Cruel , but it may point to 1 reason why he may me more sexually attracted to female children as opposed to adults.

And also a final thing I forgot to mention earlier, EARONS seemed to know pretty much EXACTLY how far he needed to park his car in order to avoid police cordons after an attack, hence 1 reason some suspected he had a connection to the police. Mr Cruel was known to have parked his vehicle approx 300 meters away from the residence of 1 victim, and forced her to walk with him to the car. Mighty peculiar...

There ya go. Like I said earlier, if Mr Cruel's NOT our guy, then he's at least his biggest fanboy. I'm no mathematician so I don't know the odds of all this being sheer coincidence. I DO know I ain't buyin' it, tho.


At worst, we at least know Mr Cruel was an EARONS fan... At best, he IS the same guy and both cases can finally be solved.