Inept Police Dept

[roberson]

Mar 29, 2018 20:32:30 GMT Trollin said:

Mar 29, 2018 20:12:08 GMT roberson said:

I know and understand your point, iwillfindyou, and agree with this:

Said the same thing numerous times since joining this forum, but if a person has any experience with true crime, especially the famous cases, it's almost a cliche that many armchair detectives will make an uncaught, prolific or frighteningly "unique" perp into some kind of criminal supergenius, when in fact they were mostly lucky, or the benefactors of inexplicable law enforcement errors, laziness, apathy and/or bureaucratic bullshit. 

I think of the Zodiac escaping after the Stine murder because the dispatcher reported a black suspect in error, or the facts surrounding why London police could not legally bring a particular prime suspect to trial for the crimes of the Ripper. Those are just two of the most famous. There are many, many more not so famous and well-known. 

This is kind of interesting actually...not sure assuming people turned off lights because they heard something is an appropriate connection. Id think more along the lines of...suspect ran in house saw cop car and turned off lights.

"were the lights inside the house on the SW corner of Woodpark Way and Dewey Boulevard, for they went out just as we turned the corner. The people inside might have seen or heard someone in their yard and turned their lights off to better see outside."

What happened in this situation, as best as I can understand is that Shelby came south on Dewey, saw the suspect walking north on the west side of Dewey. Shelby then made a u-turn, and on coming back towards Greenleaf noticed that the suspect had disappeared from the street. Shelby then made a turn west onto Woodpark. As soon as he turned onto Woodpark, a house on the "southwest" corner, which was really southeast but "southwest" from Shelby's position, turned off their lights. They may have done so because they saw a police car pass by. I don't know if Shelby was driving undercover then.

In any case, the suspect was not on Woodpark. Shelby u-turned, headed east, turned south on Dewey, and passed the field. No suspect. He then drove south, turned west onto Oakbrook, and then north on Shadowbrook. He cut across the field, towards Dewey, and there was the suspect, now walking in a southern direction. 

I have little doubt that was the East Area Rapist. But where was his car? Did he walk? No bike? It's pretty interesting.......

[chainsawjames]

Inept isn’t the word. Read, “Hunting a Psychopath”. There are numerous first hand accounts of LE losing evidence, ignoring leads and various instances where different law enforcement agencies were at odds with one another. One example is where a police officer stopped a young man that matched the description of EAR leaving a town hall meeting only to let him go and the information about the stop was “lost”. I feel they had the suspect at one time or another and let him go. The chance of finding him at this point is laughable, unless he calls or contacts LE and they trace the call.

[BoxersFracture]

I’ll just leave this here. www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story%3fid=95836

[soxie]

Mar 29, 2018 19:16:35 GMT Trollin said:

Mar 29, 2018 19:12:31 GMT jthou said:

Was the PD inept? Yes but do not attack the intelligence of the officers. It was a systematic failure. Many guys then as today invested much time and effort and poured their hearts and souls into this case but were handcuffed by jurisdictional non-cooperation and admin that didn’t grasp the seriousness or prolific levels of the crimes being committed. But to say they were dumb is simply a bad take and wrong. Re-evaluate and try again.

I re-evaluated...they were dumb. Did you know them personally and can speak to their level of intelligence? I go on fact, which is they missed many clues, suspects etc. Even cleared a guy because his DL said he was 6'1 (newsflash you print your own height weight) So I am basing my opinion on facts while you are basically just sticking up for a group of people that you have no idea if they were intelligent or not.

Iwillfindyou...interesting name you chose, You know it can be used two ways? To me it sounds a bit creepy, like you could be the EARONS! The other way is that you are seeking to find the EARONS.                                                                    My question to you Is...did you know the PD personally and what facts do you have?

[flashback]

It's not really that they were inept (although they clearly made some big errors) - it's that they were kinda blindsided and simply not prepared or equipped to deal w/ an offender of this magnitude. 

[Trollin]

Mar 29, 2018 21:14:30 GMT BoxersFracture said:

I’ll just leave this here. www.google.com/amp/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story%3fid=95836

I'll just leave this here too...

Victim 45

"At the same time of the suspect driving his vehicle was pulled over, a person living in the general area where the crime scene occurred called the authorities to report a prowler in the neighborhood. Other patrol officers on duty answered the call and soon arrested the perpetrator. At the time of his apprehension, he was found pantless. According to his testimony, he was employed as a janitor in Pleasant Hills and once his shift ended at 7:00 p.m. he went to search for his missing cat. He was read his Miranda Rights and the police searched his vehicle. Inside they discovered numerous photos of various women that were taken with a camera that had a zoomed lens. One particular photo was a woman who had just left the car wash earlier that day. He was eventually released for unknown reasons."

[harriet]

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[niktun]

This is a common theme among many police departments in that era. A lot of police departments got rid of evidence or "lost it." Here in Texas, we even have several cases of DNA contamination in high profile cases, which is likely replicated in other states too. You can't really blame them, necessarily, for things they didn't know would exist in the future.

I wonder how long it was before they knew beyond any doubt that this rapist was prowling on an almost nightly basis? I have found odd things in my yard and seen odd people walking down the street. It'd never occur to me to call the police about it or keep the items unless I felt threatened by them.

I know a lot of people were aware of the rapes, but how many were not really aware? I feel like a lot of people might hear about a crime in passing, but don't really concern themselves with it until they see the man trying to get in their window.

[drdoogie]

Mar 29, 2018 18:46:20 GMT Trollin said:

It would be pretty hard for anyone that has read extensively on all the accounts of EAR, to disagree with the opinion that the Sacramento Police dept was about as inept as it gets. So many reports and sightings yet they either told the callers to "throw out" the evidence or "don't worry about it" or just plain slow to respond. My favorite is the lady that called saying she found a ski mask, flashlight etc in her back yard and they told her to throw it away, brilliant. It's an absolute joke. EAR was NOT this highly intelligent skilled chameleon, he was spotted constantly. The Barney Fife like police dept is the reason he was not caught. Most people think "Well it's the police, they must be smart"...(family feud button buzzer) wrong. Let's face it if you were highly intelligent in the 70's you didn't think about going into the police force. Basically you have a lot of people with mediocre minds unable to think outside the box trained in calming a situation or shooting someone. The brainpower was not there, all the "police can do no wrong" people feel free to flame me, but it's still 100% true. 

Two and a half pages of commentary and no one seems to have noticed this:  The agency that Shelby worked for and all of the examples listed in the previous posts involved the Sacramento Sheriffs Department, not the Sacramento Police Department.

[silentscreams]

Apr 1, 2018 21:12:07 GMT drdoogie said:

Mar 29, 2018 18:46:20 GMT Trollin said:

It would be pretty hard for anyone that has read extensively on all the accounts of EAR, to disagree with the opinion that the Sacramento Police dept was about as inept as it gets. So many reports and sightings yet they either told the callers to "throw out" the evidence or "don't worry about it" or just plain slow to respond. My favorite is the lady that called saying she found a ski mask, flashlight etc in her back yard and they told her to throw it away, brilliant. It's an absolute joke. EAR was NOT this highly intelligent skilled chameleon, he was spotted constantly. The Barney Fife like police dept is the reason he was not caught. Most people think "Well it's the police, they must be smart"...(family feud button buzzer) wrong. Let's face it if you were highly intelligent in the 70's you didn't think about going into the police force. Basically you have a lot of people with mediocre minds unable to think outside the box trained in calming a situation or shooting someone. The brainpower was not there, all the "police can do no wrong" people feel free to flame me, but it's still 100% true. 

Two and a half pages of commentary and no one seems to have noticed this:  The agency that Shelby worked for and all of the examples listed in the previous posts involved the Sacramento Sheriffs Department, not the Sacramento Police Department.

The irony...talk about inept!

[tt120]

I'm not sure if "inept" is the correct word but they sure weren't as organized as they are today. What if the person that answered the phone at the sheriffs station and told the citizen to "throw it away" was just some clerk 5 minutes before their shift ended and told them that so they wouldn't be stuck doing report paperwork for the next hour. There were certainly errors made by LE but maybe not all of them were because of being inept.

The whole city was relieved when EAR disappeared, LE included, we never heard another thing about it and I'm betting LE got those files off their desk as fast as possible and moved on.

[sholmes]

Apr 1, 2018 21:12:07 GMT drdoogie said:

Mar 29, 2018 18:46:20 GMT Trollin said:

It would be pretty hard for anyone that has read extensively on all the accounts of EAR, to disagree with the opinion that the Sacramento Police dept was about as inept as it gets. So many reports and sightings yet they either told the callers to "throw out" the evidence or "don't worry about it" or just plain slow to respond. My favorite is the lady that called saying she found a ski mask, flashlight etc in her back yard and they told her to throw it away, brilliant. It's an absolute joke. EAR was NOT this highly intelligent skilled chameleon, he was spotted constantly. The Barney Fife like police dept is the reason he was not caught. Most people think "Well it's the police, they must be smart"...(family feud button buzzer) wrong. Let's face it if you were highly intelligent in the 70's you didn't think about going into the police force. Basically you have a lot of people with mediocre minds unable to think outside the box trained in calming a situation or shooting someone. The brainpower was not there, all the "police can do no wrong" people feel free to flame me, but it's still 100% true. 

Two and a half pages of commentary and no one seems to have noticed this:  The agency that Shelby worked for and all of the examples listed in the previous posts involved the Sacramento Sheriffs Department, not the Sacramento Police Department.

Well I noticed it sir. But if I spent my time correcting things on the board it would be a full time job. As you know, people constantly confuse burglaries with robberies; deputies with officers; bullets with cartridges; semi-auto with automatic; Watt Ave with Walnut Ave; Mather AFB with McClellen AFB; classified with law-enforcement sensitive; and the list goes on. I try to give them a break if they are out of the area and/or not up to speed on those topics. When they confuse Pendleton shirts with the Marine Corps base 400 miles away or refer to the old American River Hospital as Riverside Hospital then I think we need to correct. Just my two cents, nothing more.

[SertumAEnigmA]

Mar 29, 2018 21:10:54 GMT chainsawjames said:

Inept isn’t the word. Read, “Hunting a Psychopath”. There are numerous first hand accounts of LE losing evidence, ignoring leads and various instances where different law enforcement agencies were at odds with one another. One example is where a police officer stopped a young man that matched the description of EAR leaving a town hall meeting only to let him go and the information about the stop was “lost”. I feel they had the suspect at one time or another and let him go. The chance of finding him at this point is laughable, unless he calls or contacts LE and they trace the call.

Stop. The fanboys hanging on every word of the talking heads will get upset. Funny how they never ask southern California police who actually investigated the murders and can prosecute this maniac, what they think. They're not trying to make careers out of one criminal.

[Trollin]

Apr 1, 2018 21:12:07 GMT drdoogie said:

Mar 29, 2018 18:46:20 GMT Trollin said:

It would be pretty hard for anyone that has read extensively on all the accounts of EAR, to disagree with the opinion that the Sacramento Police dept was about as inept as it gets. So many reports and sightings yet they either told the callers to "throw out" the evidence or "don't worry about it" or just plain slow to respond. My favorite is the lady that called saying she found a ski mask, flashlight etc in her back yard and they told her to throw it away, brilliant. It's an absolute joke. EAR was NOT this highly intelligent skilled chameleon, he was spotted constantly. The Barney Fife like police dept is the reason he was not caught. Most people think "Well it's the police, they must be smart"...(family feud button buzzer) wrong. Let's face it if you were highly intelligent in the 70's you didn't think about going into the police force. Basically you have a lot of people with mediocre minds unable to think outside the box trained in calming a situation or shooting someone. The brainpower was not there, all the "police can do no wrong" people feel free to flame me, but it's still 100% true. 

Two and a half pages of commentary and no one seems to have noticed this:  The agency that Shelby worked for and all of the examples listed in the previous posts involved the Sacramento Sheriffs Department, not the Sacramento Police Department.

My initial post made no mention of any attacks in particular but a fuc* up in general throughout. Were you voted "most likely to annoy by splitting hairs" in high school?

[drdoogie]

No, just voted "Least Likely to Have Hair". And they were right.

I wasn't pointing out the inaccuracy as means to annoy - I was merely correcting the inaccuracy itself. I am sure that the Sac PD would not like to be blamed for mistakes made by other jurisdictions. Your above quoted post clearly says "Sacramento Police dept" when your example of the ski mask/flashlight fiasco was done by the Sheriffs Department. I am sorry if a desire to have information be truthful is annoying - please feel free to post more incorrect info with no fear of someone respectfully pointing it out to you. My only desire is your happiness, not to provide accurate information.