when BATMAN rapist will go down like EAR?

[sammyt]

Dec 24, 2018 15:35:12 GMT @wonky said:

Dec 24, 2018 15:27:20 GMT sammyt said:

IMO the longer this case goes unsolved, the more suspicious the VIP angle becomes.

This is one of the UK's worst ever serial rape cases and IMO should be near the top of the request list for Parabon.

Sammy Bro...I don't know if I can handle yet another VIP theory.

I know what you mean  but I stand by what I say.

Diplomatic immunity shields diplomats and their families from criminal prosecution in the UK... and VIP or not, there's no obvious reason for this case not to be solved in EARONS or NORCAL style - particularly in a country as obsessed as the UK with building a national DNA database.

From wiki:

"The case was highlighted on the BBC's Crimewatch program on 25 January 2000, including an appeal from Avon and Somerset Constabulary for information from the public.  As a result of the appeal...Callers also gave the names of four potential suspects, including the son of a British diplomat.

One theory considered by police was that the rapist had been in prison or away from the area...based on his inactivity between October 1991 and November 1994 and between February 1997 and January 1999. Detectives later learned that these periods coincided with dates when a diplomat's son, whose name had been given by a caller to Crimewatch, was out of the country living with his father. Although detectives visited the country where the father works to ascertain if similar attacks had occurred there, no further information has been forthcoming from the police".

If this diplomat's son has been DNA tested, then I'll be amazed. 

"They then began the process of taking swabs for comparison from all the men – believed to be around 2,000 individuals – whose names had come up during the course of the investigation".

So why bother sending the police abroad checking for further attacks on foreign soil, when you know the suspect has been cleared by DNA?

This shows that the UK police didn't actually get DNA swabs from 'all the men whose names had come up during the investigation'.

They didn't get the DNA of the VIP suspect - or the subsequent fact finding trip abroad would have been completely unnecessary.

I'll eat my hat if the diplomat's son has ever actually been DNA tested, or if he has returned to the UK since 2001.

[englishman]

Dec 31, 2018 16:37:08 GMT sammyt said:

Dec 24, 2018 15:35:12 GMT @wonky said:

Sammy Bro...I don't know if I can handle yet another VIP theory.

I know what you mean  but I stand by what I say.

Diplomatic immunity shields diplomats and their families from criminal prosecution in the UK... and VIP or not, there's no obvious reason for this case not to be solved in EARONS or NORCAL style - particularly in a country as obsessed as the UK with building a national DNA database.

From wiki:

"The case was highlighted on the BBC's Crimewatch program on 25 January 2000, including an appeal from Avon and Somerset Constabulary for information from the public.  As a result of the appeal...Callers also gave the names of four potential suspects, including the son of a British diplomat.

One theory considered by police was that the rapist had been in prison or away from the area...based on his inactivity between October 1991 and November 1994 and between February 1997 and January 1999. Detectives later learned that these periods coincided with dates when a diplomat's son, whose name had been given by a caller to Crimewatch, was out of the country living with his father. Although detectives visited the country where the father works to ascertain if similar attacks had occurred there, no further information has been forthcoming from the police".

If this diplomat's son has been DNA tested, then I'll be amazed. 

"They then began the process of taking swabs for comparison from all the men – believed to be around 2,000 individuals – whose names had come up during the course of the investigation".

So why bother sending the police abroad checking for further attacks on foreign soil, when you know the suspect has been cleared by DNA?

This shows that the UK police didn't actually get DNA swabs from 'all the men whose names had come up during the investigation'.

They didn't get the DNA of the VIP suspect - or the subsequent fact finding trip abroad would have been completely unnecessary.

I'll eat my hat if the diplomat's son has ever actually been DNA tested, or if he has returned to the UK since 2001,

Any idea's on where he moved to? That wouldn't suprise me in the slightest in our classist society, if he was middle or working class they would of been all over him like a rash.

[sammyt]

I don't know where the diplomat's son moved to, but he seems to be a suspect who wasn't actually ever eliminated by DNA.

That's strange in a case where they haven't exactly been shy in getting DNA samples - over 2,000 men were DNA swabbed by police.

So the UK police were bothered enough to conduct thousands of DNA tests... but can't be bothered to get a sample from the prime suspect... or to send a DNA sample off for familial matching... or to use their own forensic scientists to conduct Parabon style research???

[sammyt]

Still no word from Somerset & Avon Police about this case...

Looks like the diplomat's son may have been out of the country during one of the attacks.

I'm presuming that this suspect - and DC, the ex SAS operator suspect - have actually been DNA tested.

[sammyt]

Batman case still unsolved.

The UK police obviously missed the arrests via familial DNA of Joseph DeAngelo and Roy Waller.

[sammyt]

Nothing else can really match the fascination factor of EAR case, but I'm surprised there is so little interest on the board in the Batman Rapist.

Prolific offender. Evaded capture for decades. Seems to have stopped. DNA but no match. Case largely unknown to the general public.

Doesn't this sort of unsolved case interest anyone?

[cherylh]

EAR wouldn't have interested people as much if he hadn't gone on to murder.

There are several other uncaught serial rapists with similar numbers of attacks to EARs, but they aren't getting attention, either.

[sammyt]

May 5, 2019 20:50:33 GMT cherylh said:

EAR wouldn't have interested people as much if he hadn't gone on to murder.

There are several other uncaught serial rapists with similar numbers of attacks to EARs, but they aren't getting attention, either.

True but I'm thinking about lack of interest within the online true crime community, not the mainstream media.

Before Roy Waller's arrest, online sleuths and writers were starting to take an interest in the Norcal Rapist (and he didn't go on to murder).

The EAR crimes have been discussed a lot more over the years than the ONS crimes, and I'm surprised more people aren't interested in unsolved cases like the Batman Rapist, Teardrop, EMR etc etc...

[sammyt]

Is anyone interested in this case?

I'm starting to feel that the dust is finally settling on the EARONS case, even though I still can't quite believe the 'deserving pest' has been caught.

I have more interest in unsolved cases than solved ones, and as the UK police don't seem to have heard of Parabon, I'd like some help in going after the Batman Rapist.

Please PM me if you're interested in getting involved...

[jb1510]

Aug 10, 2020 20:17:40 GMT sammyt said:

Is anyone interested in this case?

I'm starting to feel that the dust is finally settling on the EARONS case, even though I still can't quite believe the 'deserving pest' has been caught.

I have more interest in unsolved cases than solved ones, and as the UK police don't seem to have heard of Parabon, I'd like some help in going after the Batman Rapist.

Please PM me if you're interested in getting involved...

I’d love to know if our (UK) police have looked into using this way of solving cases, my initial interest in the case was because of 
the incredible way they solved this .

[sammyt]

Aug 10, 2020 21:01:32 GMT jb1510 said:

Aug 10, 2020 20:17:40 GMT sammyt said:

Is anyone interested in this case?

I'm starting to feel that the dust is finally settling on the EARONS case, even though I still can't quite believe the 'deserving pest' has been caught.

I have more interest in unsolved cases than solved ones, and as the UK police don't seem to have heard of Parabon, I'd like some help in going after the Batman Rapist.

Please PM me if you're interested in getting involved...

I’d love to know if our (UK) police have looked into using this way of solving cases, my initial interest in the case was because of 
the incredible way they solved this .

I emailed this question to the Somerset & Avon police a while back, but they couldn't even be bothered to send me a reply.

[jb1510]

Aug 10, 2020 21:04:34 GMT sammyt said:

Aug 10, 2020 21:01:32 GMT jb1510 said:

I’d love to know if our (UK) police have looked into using this way of solving cases, my initial interest in the case was because of 
the incredible way they solved this .

I emailed this question to the Somerset & Avon police a while back, but they couldn't even be bothered to send me a reply.

That’s terrible it is such a useful tool , I really hoped it would go mainstream but alas it’s inferred as a violation 
of privacy by the do gooders. Such a shame .

[sammyt]

May 5, 2019 20:50:33 GMT cherylh said:

EAR wouldn't have interested people as much if he hadn't gone on to murder.

There are several other uncaught serial rapists with similar numbers of attacks to EARs, but they aren't getting attention, either.

The Batman Rapist may well have also 'graduated' to murder... the abduction and murder of Melanie Hall in Bath in 1996.

The rapist unsuccessfully attempted to carjack a woman in the very same city a few hours before Hall was abducted. 

The chances of two similar offenders operating on the same day in a 'nice' city like Bath is IMO very small.

[sammyt]

Aug 10, 2020 21:10:37 GMT jb1510 said:

Aug 10, 2020 21:04:34 GMT sammyt said:

I emailed this question to the Somerset & Avon police a while back, but they couldn't even be bothered to send me a reply.

That’s terrible it is such a useful tool , I really hoped it would go mainstream but alas it’s inferred as a violation 
of privacy by the do gooders. Such a shame .

It's expensive and time consuming to match familial DNA, but I suggested that they find a similar crime in the USA, and then send the DNA profile to the Parabon team.

[sammyt]

I will be working on a draft profile of the Batman Rapist.

I will be reaching out to my contacts, but anyone else who would like to help please PM me.

We need the best online sleuths and researchers from the UK and stateside, particularly those with experience of obtaining FOIA info.

This is the UK's biggest unsolved serial case, but IMO it's solvable. We have thousands of years research experience between us.

There is a much smaller suspect pool than in the EARONS case, and in the UK a far higher percentage of people already have their DNA on file.