Holes finds Marital Arrangement “Suspicious”

[loveliftedme]

May 8, 2018 0:16:32 GMT loveliftedme said:

May 7, 2018 23:53:48 GMT brawlpups said:

Here is a theory.

He needs cover for that middle class life he is faking.
He may have threatened her if she divorced him and perhaps to keep her silent in case she ever started to suspect him.

She probably had learned to be afraid of him over time since he was a sadist and a narcissistic psychopath (my guess). (i.e. delusions of granduer, manipulative, lack of remorse or empathy, anti-social criminal behavior, risk taking behavior, lying).

You get to know your spouse pretty well and she would have seen through the mask and his deception eventually, whether she knew anything more is just speculation abscent evidence. Probably figure out he was scary, brutal, dangerous, and sadistic though.

It appears from complaints from a client or employees she may have had some socipathic traits and / or borderline personality herself.
Possibly a result of PSD from living with him or as a result of what is called narcissistic abuse which is psychological torture a narcissistic inflicts on significant others. One reason they are so difficult to be around. Or she may have been born that way but I wonder if two narcs would seek each other out, might have to make up a new disorder for the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders    Dysfunctional family, truly.

Not sure what Paul Holes suspicions would be, but I guess there has been plenty of specualtion.

I see her more as a victim who was probably being manipulated by fear by a cunning psychopath. Time will tell. 

I also wonder too if maybe when they divorced (since she’s seen and been a part of so many divorces) that there is a status quo that she wants to maintain that separation can achieve: not dividing assets, maybe staying on his insurance (before Obama Care), sharing in a pension, keeping property intact, no alimony payments and no child support payment as the spouse with higher income?

Also, and this is “old fashioned”, but I’m a pretty devout catholic. If my husband and I had to part ways and there was no ground for annulment, I would hope that we would just be able to separate for reasons of faith.

Also I should have added on the faith point: Catholics are generally against surrogacy. So this could be a part of the puzzle fitting together

[bd]

May 8, 2018 0:22:31 GMT loveliftedme said:

May 8, 2018 0:16:32 GMT loveliftedme said:

I also wonder too if maybe when they divorced (since she’s seen and been a part of so many divorces) that there is a status quo that she wants to maintain that separation can achieve: not dividing assets, maybe staying on his insurance (before Obama Care), sharing in a pension, keeping property intact, no alimony payments and no child support payment as the spouse with higher income?

Also, and this is “old fashioned”, but I’m a pretty devout catholic. If my husband and I had to part ways and there was no ground for annulment, I would hope that we would just be able to separate for reasons of faith.

Also I should have added on the faith point: Catholics are generally against surrogacy. So this could be a part of the puzzle fitting together

How does Catholicism and surrogacy enter into their separation?

[loveliftedme]

May 8, 2018 1:19:18 GMT bd said:

May 8, 2018 0:22:31 GMT loveliftedme said:

Also I should have added on the faith point: Catholics are generally against surrogacy. So this could be a part of the puzzle fitting together

How does Catholicism and surrogacy enter into their separation?

It doesn’t, sorry I should have been clearer. It’s just her anti surrogacy work could fit with the idea of her being a “staunch” catholic

[riverstorum]

What does the Pope say about protecting serial killers and withholding comfort and absolution from their victims because you dont feel like inconveniencing yourself?

[stanley]

May 8, 2018 0:02:05 GMT dougguard said:

In terms of criminal responsibility? "simply being aware " is not a crime.

I have no idea about CA law, but in my jurisdiction knowledge of another's felony and failure to report is pretty much misprison of a felony. Concealment would be the other element required, but that could be something very minor such as throwing away something he stole.

That being said I'm in the camp that she didn't know. Why haven't they divorced? Probably because she put up with years of abuse and is scared shitless of him. You might think that strange, but I've known a prosecutor who had the number of hundreds of cops yet put up with years of abuse at home before doing anything. Domestic violence produces wierd results like that. Even educated, professional women like JD's wife put up with it for long periods of time. And I don't think anyone would doubt JD's ability to put terror in his wife's heart.

[Ripperologist]

May 8, 2018 0:02:05 GMT dougguard said:

In terms of criminal responsibility? "simply being aware " is not a crime. Aiding abeting and other assistance would. The marital privilege even applies after divorce to what happened during the marriage. Good point to ponder though! There are exceptions.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but "simply being aware" of murder and failing to notify authorities makes one an accessory to murder. 

[stanley]

May 8, 2018 2:09:44 GMT Ripperologist said:

May 8, 2018 0:02:05 GMT dougguard said:

In terms of criminal responsibility? "simply being aware " is not a crime. Aiding abeting and other assistance would. The marital privilege even applies after divorce to what happened during the marriage. Good point to ponder though! There are exceptions.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but "simply being aware" of murder and failing to notify authorities makes one an accessory to murder. 

No, an accessory charge requires an act in addition to the knowledge. See my above post about misprison of a felony.

[Ripperologist]

May 7, 2018 23:53:48 GMT brawlpups said:

May 7, 2018 21:52:36 GMT loveliftedme said:

“I’m very well aware they are estranged,” Holes said on the panel in Nashville. “It’s an unusual situation that someone so well versed in the divorce process has chosen not to have completed that process, and it becomes suspicious. I cannot go into any more detail than that at this time

www.oxygen.com/crime-time/golden-state-killer-joseph-deangelo-sharon-huddle-divorce

Here is a theory.

He needs cover for that middle class life he is faking.
He may have threatened her if she divorced him and perhaps to keep her silent in case she ever started to suspect him.

She probably had learned to be afraid of him over time since he was a sadist and a narcissistic psychopath (my guess). (i.e. delusions of granduer, manipulative, lack of remorse or empathy, anti-social criminal behavior, risk taking behavior, lying).

You get to know your spouse pretty well and she would have seen through the mask and his deception eventually, whether she knew anything more is just speculation abscent evidence. Probably figure out he was scary, brutal, dangerous, and sadistic though.

It appears from complaints from a client or employees she may have had some socipathic traits and / or borderline personality herself.
Possibly a result of PSD from living with him or as a result of what is called narcissistic abuse which is psychological torture a narcissistic inflicts on significant others. One reason they are so difficult to be around. Or she may have been born that way but I wonder if two narcs would seek each other out, might have to make up a new disorder for the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders    Dysfunctional family, truly.

Not sure what Paul Holes suspicions would be, but I guess there has been plenty of specualtion.

I see her more as a victim who was probably being manipulated by fear by a cunning psychopath. Time will tell. 

If she knew he was a murderer and rapist, and knew he left DNA at the scene, she would be holding all the cards no matter how much he threatened. She could report him and cops would pounce and he'd be locked up forever, never having a chance to come after his wife. 

[zoinkersscoob]

May 7, 2018 22:45:57 GMT pablo said:

I agree that it is weird that they aren’t divorced with her being a divorce lawyer and all, but, from the time I first heard they have been separated for decades but not divorced it made me think that she had a financial reason. She is a lawyer who seems to do well for herself and he is a mechanic at a warehouse. I assumed that she didn’t want him to get half of her stuff and have to pay him alimony. I have no information about their relationship besides what has been reported online but it didn’t seem sinister to me.

This hadn't occurred to me, but makes perfect sense, and as divorce lawyer she knew she'd be at the losing end. (California is a community property state.) Of course there may be some darker reasoning as well.

They owned a number of other properties which were presumably being rented out, correct? I assume those were the wife's investments.

[Ripperologist]

May 8, 2018 1:44:06 GMT stanley said:

May 8, 2018 0:02:05 GMT dougguard said:

In terms of criminal responsibility? "simply being aware " is not a crime.

That being said I'm in the camp that she didn't know. Why haven't they divorced? Probably because she put up with years of abuse and is scared shitless of him. You might think that strange, but I've known a prosecutor who had the number of hundreds of cops yet put up with years of abuse at home before doing anything. Domestic violence produces wierd results like that. Even educated, professional women like JD's wife put up with it for long periods of time. And I don't think anyone would doubt JD's ability to put terror in his wife's heart.

In ordinary domestic abuse cases I can see how fear of "What if the police don't arrest him?" and "What if he gets out and comes after me?" could result in the victim deciding not to report.

But here we are talking about a man who bludgeoned people to death and raped dozens of women. She isn't a fool, she would know the there'd be no dilly-dallying by LE, and DNA evidence would put his ass under the jail. Even in 1991 when they separated.  

[EaglesNumberOne]

May 7, 2018 22:47:33 GMT dougguard said:

Holes made a very provocative statement regarding the termination of GSK by the Chief of Auburn Police. HOLES recited that GSK threatened to kill the Chief during the process and there was a breech on Willicks property shortly thereafter by a masked subject! A lot of inferences could be drawn implicating the Chief as being irresponsible in allowing GSK to get away with this and subsequently described GSK as "average" in his police duties. No average boss would allow this to go undocumented and criminal charges not filed? This chief by the way, led the dogged investigation against a Placer County Deputy who killed his own wife around 1983. Things are not adding up? Not only was GSK able to slip away with his own ingenuity but incompetence by others may have been a great help?

Remember: GSK was able to hold a skilled position as a mechanic for 27 years without being fired, workplace issues or his true personality becomming a noticeable factor? Trying to draw any conclusions regarding the marriage or lack if it...leads to pure speculation. The phenomenon of the serial killers wife or family being totally left in the dark or clueless sbout their crimes is not uncommon. Sharon Huddle would fit better cast in the light of a "mafia hitmans wife" than that of a kmowing enabler of this serial killer. Quite common for a Mafia hitman to chop up a body quickly in the bathroom before his wife gets home? If there ever was complicity, this will be found out! I doubt it though.

If in 1977, there had been a concerted effort to identify a pool of possible suspects within law enforcement in the Sacramento region, I am pretty sure GSK would of come up as a potential suspect. You can be assured that if he indeed slip through the cracks, those who should of been responsible will cover themselves!

I’ve told the story of how my Dad was hired to fill the vacancy left when Auburn PD fired JJD. While it’s true that JJD threatened the Chief, he did so because he was being fired. Folks need to understand that cops get their fair share of threats even when they aren’t firing people so maybe he was a bit numb to that. and even with the stalking behavior my guess is that Willick thought this guy just had a personal vendetta against him. Why would he expect more than that? Folks that are saying he should of connected the dots to the EAR crimes are being ridiculous. Sacramento is 40 mins away from Auburn. Cops are dealing with a lot of crime, Willick’s got a department to run. We don’t know if Willick tried to trap him. Maybe he did, maybe he didn’t, but I think it’s reasonable that he would just chalk the incident up to this guy being made at him over being fired.

I’d be a lot more concerned about Sacramento turning Visalia PD away when they had 100 ransacking crimes linked to the EAR series.

[sanfranwmn]

May 7, 2018 23:01:04 GMT chamisa said:

I agree with Paul Holes. IMO, I think Sharon did not legally divorce Deangelo because she knew at least something about his illicit activities. Bring legally married gives her some control over his assets (her daughters inheritance), and possibly protects her from having to speak to law enforcement, which could implicate her if she knew and didn’t say anything.

Would she really have planned ahead like that?

[rkz]

I wonder about her anti-surrogacy activism. What is that about? Is this a pressing issue for her; i.e. is it personal?

[sanfranwmn]

May 8, 2018 1:44:06 GMT stanley said:

May 8, 2018 0:02:05 GMT dougguard said:

In terms of criminal responsibility? "simply being aware " is not a crime.

I have no idea about CA law, but in my jurisdiction knowledge of another's felony and failure to report is pretty much misprison of a felony. Concealment would be the other element required, but that could be something very minor such as throwing away something he stole.

That being said I'm in the camp that she didn't know. Why haven't they divorced? Probably because she put up with years of abuse and is scared shitless of him. You might think that strange, but I've known a prosecutor who had the number of hundreds of cops yet put up with years of abuse at home before doing anything. Domestic violence produces wierd results like that. Even educated, professional women like JD's wife put up with it for long periods of time. And I don't think anyone would doubt JD's ability to put terror in his wife's heart.

It is possible.

[schad]

May 8, 2018 3:00:41 GMT rkz said:

I wonder about her anti-surrogacy activism. What is that about? Is this a pressing issue for her; i.e. is it personal?

They got married in 73 and supposedly didn’t have ‘their’ first child until 81...