I'm curious what your folks thoughts are on this. We now know DeAngelo was connected to this exact area around this time.
In case you're not familiar with the Scott case, this girl had been receiving threatening calls a few months before she was abducted. One night, at work, her coworker got bit by a black widow spider and she took him to the emergency room. After the coworker was discharged, he waited in line to pickup his prescription and Scott went out to the parking lot to bring the car around. When the coworker exited, he saw Scott's car speed towards him, abruptly turn, then exit out of the parking lot. Nobody heard from Scott again.
In the months after her abduction, Scott's family began receiving harassing phone calls. The calls would simply be an unidentified voice telling her parents that he killed her. After a story was ran on the kidnapping, a man called the newspaper, told the front desk clerk information only the kidnapper would know, then said, "I killed her. I killed Dorothy Scott. She was my love. I caught her cheating with another man. She denied having someone else. I killed her."
Four years later, Scott's remains were found buried next to dog bones off a road in the hills of Orange County. Evidence suggests she was buried there almost immediately after her abduction (the same night). A story ran on the discovery, and that day the parents received another call from the suspected killer asking, "Is Dorothy home?" before hanging up.
We now know DeAngelo was in the area during this time, and he had already been fired from his job in law enforcement. This murder fits almost exactly between his Ventura murders and his first known Orange County murder. Scott's phone calls began shortly after the Ventura murders, and the last phone calls the killer made to the family happened about a month before GSK's first known Orange County murder in Dana Point. The stalking and creepy phone calls are pretty signature GSK (Scott was stalked really extensively, scared out of her mind to the point she began taking Karate lessons, yet could never spot who was doing the stalking, which suggests this probably wasn't her killer's first time tailing someone) The responding to news articles and misdirection is also very GSK. The whole "cheating" thing fits his hatred of women. Oddly enough, there's a strange dog connection to this case that nobody can explain. He stayed on the phone just short enough for the technology of the time not to be able to trace the calls.
It's a bit of an M/O deviation, but so was the attempted kidnapping of Snelling's daughter.
The Dorothy Scott case is one that's interested me for a long time. The details of this case are so frightening that I actually get a bit scared for my own safety reading about it. The stalking, the harassing phone calls, and the time and place all suggest that it's possible JJD was involved. The only problem I see matching this case to what we know about JJD is that JJD rarely spent as much time harassing a single victim than he did here, if JJD was DJS's stalker; becoming that obsessed with a single victim seems like it breaks with JJD's MO. I'm sure that there are other issues that I'm glossing over or forgetting. Investigating JJD for DJS's murder couldn't hurt.
Isn't the post-murder harassment very similar to what he did with Manuela's husband? And wasn't there an Irvine medical connection with Harringtons too?
It's also quite striking how much this woman looks like some of his other victims, including Katie Maggiore, Charlene, and Patrice. Very similar facial features.
You think this is EAR? What's your evidence for this?
I think it's possible and should be explored further until definitively ruled out. EAR changes his M.O. and there are sufficient similarities and due to location, it could be him. Obviously there were other serial killers operating in California in the same time period but this victim looks soooo much like his "type."
It doesn't scream EAR to me. I wouldn't mind if it were only because he's already caught, but I don't get that vibe from this one.
You might be right.
I'd love for as many of these victims' families as possible to have some kind of answers and closure and justice where possible. The way I see it, keeping unsolved ones as open questions might increase the likelihood that somebody comes up with a new clue or theory or whereabouts.
I think it's very likely JJD committed a lot more crimes than the ones we know. After all, the So Cal ones weren't linked to him until what 2011? So having the "maybes" and all these good folks on this board filling in blanks as new info becomes available could at some point help solve some of these.
This one to me is a maybe. Some similarities, some differences. Perhaps we will get more info at some point that will push it definitively to yes or no.
Yeah I wish and hope for anyone who are victims of people like these to get justice and closure, that's the most important thing. Like I said I wouldn't mind if I'm wrong only because JJD is already caught and will be brought to justice. But I just don't think it'll be JJD.
Good work by thedog. I thought many years ago Dorothy Jane Scott could be a fifth GSK victim in Orange County. Since the arrest of JJD, Saturnrising & Morf finding info on JJD uncles and/or cousins houses in Irvine, Orange County, I thought it even more so.
Then, to cap it off, it hit me that DJS was abducted from the UC Irvine Hospital, the same hospital Keith and Patrice Harrington worked at in 1979, and Keith up to the time of his death in August, 1980, just three months after the abduction and death of Dorothy Jane Scott. Sometimes DJS is listed as being abducted from the UC Irvine Medical Center, and the Harringtons worked at the UC Irvine Hospital, but they share the same address, and the DJS coworker with the spider bite would have gone to the UC Irvine hospital.
Map and timeline of confirmed Orange County Golden State Killer murders and possible GSK victim Dorothy Jane Scott
Dorothy Jane Scott was abducted from UC Irvine Hospital on May 28, 1980, and killed hours later. In 1979, Keith and Patrice Harrington worked at UC Irvine Hospital, Keith still worked there in 1980. The Harringtons were killed by the Golden State Killer just three months after Dorothy Jane Scott was abducted and murdered. They were killed on August 19, 1980, at their Dana Point, Orange County home.
JJD Uncle One home at Pineview, was 11 miles from the UC Irvine Hospital. That JJD U1 home was 16 miles from Anaheim, where Dorothy Jane Scott worked.
OC JJD GSK Map and Timeline Graphic: OC GSK research by Morf & AK Wilks, JJD relatives research by Morf and Saturnrising, DJS research by AK Wilks, Graphics by Traveller1st & AK Wilks. Thanks also to Shelly Cruz for location information. Location of JJD relatives homes is inexact and specific addresses omitted, to protect privacy of relatives and/or current occupants. The location of the Cruz and Witthuhn homes is generally correct, but not exact, as correctly pointed out by Zorro. They will be fixed when my graphic design partner is able to.
It fits into the GSK timeline and a shift of activities to Orange County:
12/30/79 Offerman & Manning killed, Santa Barbara County
3/13/80 Lyman & Charlene Smith killed, Ventura County
5/28/80 Scott abducted and killed, Orange County
8/19/80 Keith & Patrice Harrington killed, Orange County
2/5/81 Manuela Witthuhn killed, Orange County
7/27/81 Sanchez & Domingo killed, Santa Barbara County
5/4/86 Janelle Cruz killed, Orange County
Dorothy Jane Scott was very beautiful. Abducted and murdered on May 28, 1980, she has a similar look to many of the GSK's confirmed victims. She has some similarities in hairstyle, facial structure and looks to Manuela Witthuhn, killed at her Irvine home on February 5, 1981. Witthuhn was last seen alive February 4, 1981, at Newport Specialty Hospital (now part of Foothill Regional Medical Center). Dorothy Jane Scott was last seen alive at UC Irvine Hospital in Irvine, just 6 miles away. DJS has some similarities in hair color, face and looks to confirmed GSK victims Cheri Domingo (murdered in Santa Barbara July 27, 1981) and Janelle Cruz (killed in Irvine, Orange County, on May 4, 1986).
Dorothy Jane Scott........................................................Manuela Witthuhn
Dorothy Jane Scott..........................................................Janelle Cruz............................................................Cheri Domingo
f1guyus: If JJD lasts until August the victims will get their chance. Sadly there’s no getting even. For all intents and purposes Joe got away with it. Prison is probably going to kill him a lot sooner that fishing and lawn care.
Jul 8, 2020 22:27:20 GMT
wesley: Is anyone here from Nevada?
Jul 9, 2020 10:51:26 GMT
goldrusher: I'm not, but I once got stranded in Lovelock, Nevada.
Jul 9, 2020 11:31:26 GMT
magnumforce73: "It's easier to pull the trigger than to play guitar. Easier to destroy than to create."--El Mariachi; Acuna, Coahuila, MX 1995.
Jul 9, 2020 13:10:38 GMT
goldrusher: There's a female cardinal at my bird feeder right now with only one eye. She seems healthy though. Flying and eating just fine. I do appreciate birds.
Jul 9, 2020 15:59:51 GMT
elir: Cardinals were my mother's favorite bird. When I hear them doing their snapping call, I think of her.
Jul 9, 2020 16:34:35 GMT
magnumforce73: Stones releasing a two-disc Deluxe Edition of Their 1973 Classic, GOATS HEAD SOUP, in September--with outtakes. It's a Happy Thursday!
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magnumforce73: "A drink of Belladonna on a Toussaint night, hiding in a corner in New York City; Lookin' down a .44 in West Virginia...Commander's dancin' so free." - "Dancing With Mr. D.," Kingston, Autumn 72.
Jul 10, 2020 1:00:38 GMT
goletaguru: This was our second favorite bridge to smoke weed under in this episode, and the timeline fits to weed smoking
Jul 14, 2020 4:32:26 GMT
goletaguru: I was a student at mountain view elementary close to all of this, and remember a classmate with the last name huddle, This might be the connection
Jul 14, 2020 4:40:42 GMT
walter: Which bridge was your favorite?
Jul 14, 2020 13:04:07 GMT
murderinc: the one you live under
Jul 14, 2020 18:04:18 GMT
walter: personable as ever
Jul 14, 2020 18:30:47 GMT
elir: Goletaguru there is a person named Huddle in LE in Goleta for several years, it appears he is now doing something with the Santa Barbara Sheriffs office. His dad was a cop in Santa Barbara in the 1970s .
Jul 14, 2020 22:14:36 GMT
elir: Don’t know if they are related to the Huddle at your elementary school or if they are related to James and Sharon Huddle. You think if the Santa Barbara Huddles were were related to Sharon we would have known that by now, so probably a strange coincidence
Jul 14, 2020 22:18:33 GMT