FIOA Record for JJD Sr.

[gskonstracker]

Here is the Vehicle Decal Thread. I wonder if we can made any connections.
earonsgsk.proboards.com/thread/7/vehicle-decal

The first post I ever made on the A&E board was of the patch for Marine Corps Logistics Base Barstow CA.
In the SS death index, it says that JJD sr was part of the "Railroad Board." Now I see in the FOIA records that he was in charge of supplies. 

Joseph J Deangelo

United States Social Security Death Index

Age 75

Given Name Joseph

Middle Name J

Surname Deangelo

Birth Date 19 Jan 1920

State Railroad Board

Last Place of Residence Apo, N/a, Pacific (military)

Previous Residence Postal Code 96266

Event Date 15 Feb 1995


en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Corps_Logistics_Base_Barstow

www.army.mil/article/133734/freight_for_the_military


The Barstow Marine Corps Base is split into two sections. The main section is Barstow (NEBO) where the amenities and living quarters are. The Yermo annex is a work area.



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Yet another connection. Notice that the company is "ACF".

www.trainorders.com/discussion/read.php?11,2367580


Date: 01/15/11 21:37

Re: Air Force Railroad Cars?

Author: SanJoaquinEngr



john1082 Wrote:

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> Trains4 Wrote:

> --------------------------------------------------

> -----

> > Another possibility is this car might have been

> a

> > guard car. The Air Force use to ship Minuteman

> > missiles from the Midwest to Vandenburg AFB in

> > California for readiness testing. They were in

> a

> > large truck/erector that was shipped on a

> > flatcar. Guards rode along to make sure nobody

> > played with it.

> > Gene Martin

>

> That is another possibility. By the mid-seventies

> the Minuteman missiles that were shipped to

> Vandenberg were usually moved by air but it is

> within the realm of possibility that missles, and

> therefore guards, moved by rail.

>

> I have also heard of weapons being moved by rail

> but I have no personal knowledge of this.



The SP and other railroads used to ship truck trailer mounted missiles accompanying the missiles was usually one or two UP caboose for the guards..



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Date: 01/15/11 22:31

Re: Air Force Railroad Cars?

Author: miralomarail



In the Jan 1961 issue of "Trains " magazine were photo's of the USAF testing cars built by ACF for the "Minuteman Missile's. The Missile car was 88 feet long over the couplers with 12 jacking pads to provide a stable platform for shooting the missile.

[bd]

Jun 15, 2018 4:58:29 GMT gskonstracker said:

Here is the Vehicle Decal Thread. I wonder if we can made any connections.
earonsgsk.proboards.com/thread/7/vehicle-decal

The first post I ever made on the A&E board was of the patch for Marine Corps Logistics Base Barstow CA.
In the SS death index, it says that JJD sr was part of the "Railroad Board." Now I see in the FOIA records that he was in charge of supplies. 

Joseph J Deangelo

United States Social Security Death Index

Age 75

Given Name Joseph

Middle Name J

Surname Deangelo

Birth Date 19 Jan 1920

State Railroad Board

Last Place of Residence Apo, N/a, Pacific (military)

Previous Residence Postal Code 96266

Event Date 15 Feb 

I think JJD Sr.’s SSN means that it was issued by the Railroad Board, not that he was a member of it. That he has an RR SSN has always seemed odd and now that you were kind enough to post his military records it seems even stranger. It is something that needs to be sorted out.

[takestate]

Jun 15, 2018 23:09:28 GMT bd said:

Jun 15, 2018 4:58:29 GMT gskonstracker said:

Here is the Vehicle Decal Thread. I wonder if we can made any connections.
earonsgsk.proboards.com/thread/7/vehicle-decal

The first post I ever made on the A&E board was of the patch for Marine Corps Logistics Base Barstow CA.
In the SS death index, it says that JJD sr was part of the "Railroad Board." Now I see in the FOIA records that he was in charge of supplies. 

Joseph J Deangelo

United States Social Security Death Index

Age 75

Given Name Joseph

Middle Name J

Surname Deangelo

Birth Date 19 Jan 1920

State Railroad Board

Last Place of Residence Apo, N/a, Pacific (military)

Previous Residence Postal Code 96266

Event Date 15 Feb 

I think JJD Sr.’s SSN means it was issued by the Railroad Board, not that he was a member of it. That he has RR SSN has always seemed odd and now that you were kind enough to post his military records it is even stranger. It is something that needs to be sorted out.

In the early days of Social Security, railroad workers/families had their own “first 3” series of numbers...700-729. SS began in 1936...I guess JJDSr had a RR job when his # was assigned?

[gskonstracker]

Jun 16, 2018 0:05:53 GMT takestate said:

Jun 15, 2018 23:09:28 GMT bd said:

I think JJD Sr.’s SSN means it was issued by the Railroad Board, not that he was a member of it. That he has RR SSN has always seemed odd and now that you were kind enough to post his military records it is even stranger. It is something that needs to be sorted out.

In the early days of Social Security, railroad workers/families had their own “first 3” series of numbers...700-729. SS began in 1936...I guess JJDSr had a RR job when his # was assigned?

It was issued after 1951 and before 1963.


SSN starting with - - XXXX

was issued in 714-18: Railroad Board (no longer issued after 1963.), 1951-2011

**700-728 Issuance of these numbers to railroad employees was discontinued July 1, 1963.

www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html

www.ssa.gov/employer/stateweb.htm

[bd]

Jun 16, 2018 16:42:50 GMT gskonstracker said:

Jun 16, 2018 0:05:53 GMT takestate said:

In the early days of Social Security, railroad workers/families had their own “first 3” series of numbers...700-729. SS began in 1936...I guess JJDSr had a RR job when his # was assigned?

It was issued after 1951 and before 1963.


SSN starting with - - XXXX

was issued in 714-18: Railroad Board (no longer issued after 1963.), 1951-2011

**700-728 Issuance of these numbers to railroad employees was discontinued July 1, 1963.

www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html

www.ssa.gov/employer/stateweb.htm

Even using the SS site, the issuance date for JJD Sr.’s SSN is hard to pin down. If the sequence was only issued from 1951-1963, using the military records, it’s hard to find a time he could have been working for the RR. That would mean the 2 time frames open for him to be issued a 700 sequence would be 1936-1942 and 1945-1949. Those might be too early for 714. Am I  missing something here. 

[bd]

I have no idea if the following is true, just putting it out there:

Question 913: I have been doing genealogy searches and have discovered that my dad had a funny Social Security number. He was born and raised in Chicago but has a Social beginning with 710. None of his brothers have one. And the Social Security death index says it was issued by the railroad. I know that he and his brothers worked for the stock yards as young men. Can you explain this to me? Do you think he was a railroad employee?

Answer: Because your father had a "700" series Social Security number, he definitely was working for an employer covered by the Railroad Retirement Act when he received his Social Security number -- probably in 1936. The Railroad Retirement Board issued "700" series numbers from 1936 until 1963, when the unused numbers in the series were returned to Social Security.

Although most employers in the Railroad Retirement system are pure railroad operations, there were some, like the Union Stockyards in Chicago, that were closely related to the railroads and that were included in the system. The Union Stockyards owned a famous restaurant at 42nd Street & Halsted called the "Stockyards Inn" at which the waiters and other employees were covered by Railroad Retirement. Railway Express Agency (REA), a forerunner of UPS and Federal Express was also a "railroad employer." So was a resort in Sun Valley, California.

You can call the Railroad Retirement Board to find out how much railroad service after 1936 that your father had. He would have needed at least 120 months to be vested, including service he performed before 1937.

[pnwgirl]

Jun 16, 2018 17:29:10 GMT bd said:

Jun 16, 2018 16:42:50 GMT gskonstracker said:

It was issued after 1951 and before 1963.


SSN starting with - - XXXX

was issued in 714-18: Railroad Board (no longer issued after 1963.), 1951-2011

**700-728 Issuance of these numbers to railroad employees was discontinued July 1, 1963.

www.ssa.gov/history/ssn/geocard.html

www.ssa.gov/employer/stateweb.htm

Even using the SS site, the issuance date for JJD Sr.’s SSN is hard to pin down. If the sequence was only issued from 1951-1963, using the military records, it’s hard to find a time he could have been working for the RR. That would mean the 2 time frames open for him to be issued a 700 sequence would be 1936-1942 and 1945-1949. Those might be too early for 714. Am I  missing something here. 

Social Security numbers were not issued sequentially, meaning that in the 700 series, the numbers were mixed up as they were issued.

[hhunter4]

JJD Sr. lived in his father Samuel's household as listed in the 1930 census and the 1940 census. His father was listed as working for a railroad on both census forms.

I checked the military records posted in this thread more closely and found that from August 5, 1950 to January 16, 1951, JJD Sr. was listed as inactive on one form, and in the reserves on another.

He could have returned home and worked with his father at the RR and got a SSN just before returning to service on January 16, 1951.

The SSN record in the index from 1951 to 1963 refers to his name in 1942. That may be from his enlistment papers, and maybe he was employed at the RR before his original enlistment. When the military enrolled servicemen in SS in 1957, that could have been noted.

Both of those scenarios are possibilities, but I guess I don't follow why the SSN is so important. I doubt he was affiliated with a railroad after 1942, and it is even less likely after 1951.

People seem interested in the patches and decals associated with the parachute. It might be worth looking at the patches of the units JJD Sr. served in or with. He was affiliated with an air rescue squadron in Florida, and several CA Air National Guard units.

[Any of N]

Jun 13, 2018 12:14:12 GMT bd said:

JJD Sr. seated holding Vino.

www.armyaircorps-376bg.com/fowler_deane_crew.html

Wait, you mean our guy's father liked little yappy dogs?

The fellow in front is Joseph D'Angelo - Engineer/Gunner, and the little guy he is holding is Vino, whom we brought over to Italy from North Africa.

A little irony there.

[hhunter4]

Jun 14, 2018 6:51:51 GMT gskonstracker said:

Jun 13, 2018 13:06:10 GMT hhunter4 said:

Gskonstracker,

This is fantastic! How did you obtain the records so fast when others couldn't?

The records track Joseph Deangelo's service: heroic WWII service; reactivation during Korean War and postings to Fort Dix NJ 1950 and to McChord AFB and Larson AFB in Washington State 1951-1952; move to Germany in 1952 and return to the US in 1955; assignments in NY 1955-1956; assignments at Hamilton Field, Novato CA and/or Van Nuys CA. 1956-1959; Mather AFB 1959-1962; Korea 1962; Orlando AFB (McCoy AFB?) 1963-1964; and assignments in Korea 1965-1969.

It fits with the 1959-1962 Rancho Cordova addresses and the 1964 Florida divorce. I am most interested to learn more about the 1956-1959 postings in CA. I could be mistaken, but it seems like the squadrons he was associated with then were stationed at Van Nuys in southern CA, while he was stationed at Hamilton Field in Novato, CA, North of San Francisco, in Marin Co. In a support role.

Hamilton Field was nicknamed the country club AFB. I wonder if JJD lived there or were they down in Van Nuys all or part of that time.

Great research. Thanks for posting the copies.

I have no idea how I got it so quickly. I just used the official National Archives request form and they sent it back to me within days of my request. 

Gskonstracker,

I found it hard to follow all of the information contained in the 14 documents you posted, so I created a simplified  spreadsheet (see pdf link below), based on a timeline of JJD Sr.'s military service.  I am sure there are some errors.  Each line includes the military unit he was assigned to, where he was stationed, dates of service, rank, and his primary duties during the assignment.  My first attachment, so I hope it works and is of some use to you and to others viewing your thread.  After his WWII service as a gunner and aerial engineer on B-24 bombers, most of JJD Sr.'s Air Force Assignments were as an Administrative Supervisor in various headquarters units.

It is interesting to see JJD Sr.'s military records, but of course we want to know  how his military career is  connected to his son, Joseph J. Deangelo Jr. (JJD).  It looks like JJD's first experience living on an Air Force base was during his father's posting to Germany between 1952 and 1955.  The last half of his father's overseas tour of duty was at the Rhein-Main AFB near Frankfurt.  If his sister was attacked in Germany it would have been on or near the Rhein-Main AFB,  sometime in the weeks or months before they returned to the U.S. in July of 1955.  JJD was probably in elementary school grades 1 to 3 during the assignment.

The next assignment for JJD Sr. was at the Air Force Reserve Training Center located on the New York Naval Air Station in Brooklyn, NY.  He served for about a year on active duty as a Sergeant Major in a squadron that trained Air Force Reservists.  They may have lived at housing provided at the Manhattan Beach Air Force Station nearby, or they may have lived elsewhere in Brooklyn on a housing allowance provided by the Air Force.  The family would have been able to visit relatives near Elmira, NY and get readjusted to living  in the U.S.  JJD would have been in the 4th grade during this assignment.

JJD's father was next assigned, in July, 1956,  as an Air Force Technical Advisor to units of the California Air National Guard that were stationed in Van Nuys CA.  This assignment lasted about 3 years.  The family may have lived on or near Hamilton AFB, but it appears that the father was stationed for part of the time in Van Nuys, CA, so they may have lived there too.  JJD would have been in school grades 5 to 7 during the assignment.

In June, 1959, JJD's father was assigned to an Air Force squadron in the Air Training Command at Mather AFB, located  near Rancho Cordova, CA.  The assignment lasted about three years.  JJD would have been in Middle School, grades 8 and 9, and in High School - as a Sophomore, during the assignment.  In August of 1962, JJD Sr. transferred to a post at Osan AFB in South Korea for an assignment that lasted about a year.  I don't think there are any records available that indicate whether the family remained in the Sacramento, area , or if they moved to Korea to be with JJD Sr. during his deployment.

JJD Sr. returned to the US in October, 1963, and was stationed at Orlando Air Base (Not McCoy AFB!), near Orlando, Florida.  He served as an administrative supervisor with the Air Rescue Service of the USAF.  Again, so far there don't seem to be any records found that indicate whether the family lived near Orlando, FL.,  or were still living back near Sacramento, CA during this assignment.  We do know that Mr. and Mrs. Deangelo  filed for divorce in Florida in September, 1964.  JJD entered the Navy at about the same time the divorce was filed.  The Air Rescue Service was later (1966) renamed the Aerospace Rescue and Recovery Service to reflect its additional role of rescue and recovery support for manned US space flights

JJD Sr. returned to Osan AFB, South Korea, on a new assignment in March, 1965.  That was only about 1 month after his former wife remarried, in Exeter, Ca.  JJD Sr. remained on duty in Korea until July, 1968.  During the assignment he served on several occasions as the Non-Commissioned Officer In Charge of the Protocol and Command Section.  He also served 6 months as an Airman Aide.  An Airman Aide is typically assigned to a General Officer  to assist in various duties.
 
JJD Sr. next  returned to the U.S. in July, 1968 and joined the 8th Air Force Headquarters at Westover AFB in Westover,  MA.   He served as an administrative supervisor, and the assignment  was associated with the Strategic Air Command (SAC).  He remained at Westover AFB for about a year and then returned to Osan AFB in June, 1969, where he served as an administrative supervisor until November, 1969.  At that time his working title changed to Administrative Superintendent.  That is the last record included in the files that have been posted to this thread.  Other records indicate that JJD Sr. may have served in the miltary between 1970 and 1973.  If so, we don't know the particulars of his service during that period.

That is about all the relevant information pertaining to JJD that I could find in his father's service records.  Again, thanks for posting the records.      Link:     JJDSrMilitaryRecords.pdf (120.42 KB)

[bd]

Jun 17, 2018 22:49:40 GMT hhunter4 said:

Jun 14, 2018 6:51:51 GMT gskonstracker said:

I have no idea how I got it so quickly. I just used the official National Archives request form and they sent it back to me within days of my request. 

My first attachment, so I hope it works and is of some use to you and to others viewing your thread.

Very nice! Download worked perfectly.

[hhunter4]

Jun 17, 2018 23:58:20 GMT bd said:

Jun 17, 2018 22:49:40 GMT hhunter4 said:

My first attachment, so I hope it works and is of some use to you and to others viewing your thread.

Very nice! Download worked perfectly.

Good - I appreciate the encouragement.

[albion]

Jun 14, 2018 7:07:20 GMT gskonstracker said:

Jun 13, 2018 12:14:12 GMT bd said:

JJJD Sr. seated holding Vino.

www.armyaircorps-376bg.com/fowler_deane_crew.html

This kind of looks similar to the parachute patch.

                            

I have been under the impression that it was a fairly new model El Camino that the sticker was on. But the color of the two sightings were on different colored cars. The idea that the driver thought it would get him access to an active base seems to imply that the decal was still active at the time.

Could it be an accomplice that had the decal?

It also seems to make more sense in regards to the prelude which referred to Colonel Boyd's theories on air warfare.

Thank you for posting this Tracker.

[crackerjack]

I know nothing regarding State Railroad Boards. I am not American. Perhaps it has no bearing on this issue but the father of Joe Sr.had worked for the Railroad in NY State.

[pnwgirl]

Jun 14, 2018 1:56:13 GMT @zeldazonk said:

Unfortunately, I believe it is possible that the family would have covered it up. And also that while covering it up that JJD's dad and the military could have taken action, we just don't know.
I'm the paranoid type. And I so admire all of you who share your experiences. And while l know it might be helpful to go into more detail... I will just say that a similar (no where near as dramatic of course) incident occurred to someone in my family decades ago that is still reverberating to this very day. The truth was not revealed to me until I was 18. It cleared up a lot of confusion. People in those days just thought they were doing the right thing. Somethings were not spoken of.

But my main point is... misbehave!!!! You are freeeeee! And he is not. No judgment. Wishing you strength and peace.

ZeldaZonk:

I am sorry you went through that. I'm fairly certain I know the issue you reference, and it also happened with regard to another member of my family.

In JJD Jr.'s case, if his family members witnessed or discovered anything, they may have rationalized what they witnessed or found. That kind of rationalization isn't wrongdoing.