Paul Aaron Wolfe

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Feb 26, 2014 23:15:54 GMT albion said:

It saddens me to see you write that sfbay. Conspiracies occur all the time in the world I live in. I read about them in the news almost everyday. Sometimes it seems like it is the very nature of man to group themselves in this way. Maybe I am too cynical. I read about Catholic Priests, and sports heroes, and patriotic politicians, and brave servicemen, and just about every other type of person. For as many that are found, I would think that there are some that are successful. But if some are successful and inherently secretive, how can we compare one to the other? It is maybe like saying I know every thing there is to know about serial murderers and rapists, when in reality we only know about the ones that got caught. Did the Reagan Administration participate in a conspiracy regarding the Iran/Contra scandal? Was Hetrick and Hood, and others possibly involved in that conspiracy? Was Lyman? Did Reagan try and hush up the gsk investigation? Was J Gordon Liddy involved with Watergate? Was Liddy and Hetrick's father-in-law good friends?

Please don't misunderstand me or lump all the murders and rapes of gsk into one big grand conspiracy. What I am talking about in this thread is the people around Lyman Smith. And don't assume that every aspect of what happened has to be accounted for by this to prove a cover up or a drug distribution conspiracy. The Pastor might have been motivated by a desire to help his friends on the police force catch a killer. Yet his actions might have been enough to cause LE to focus on Alsip. But LE should have had enough sense to check out his alibi first. Shouldn't they have done that at the very least? SB LE should have welcomed help from Sac. Shouldn't Woofy have been checked out to the fullest? Evidence should not have been lost? And that is just in SB and Ventura. If we knew more about the victims and LE in Sac maybe we might see a similar pattern. Maybe the Mafia "lord"? I don't know. I think Kona would know more about SB LE then me. And I welcome Kona's input.

GSK had a past and quite possibly a future up until the telephone call in 1991. I hope that we can still apply much of the same evidence to people associated with those around Lyman. Hetrick might have had a very good reason to be associated with someone with a history at "AFC", whatever that is. Coco might have had plenty of used cars sitting around his lot. Maybe he hired a guy out of Sacramento at his dealership? Maybe gsk did grow up on a ranch and had an affinity for horses, but like many of us, his interests changed as he got older. Tracker posted another article that had a picture that looked just like the decal. Imo, it is the best possible source for the decal that I have seen. If LE was active in this case, I would hope they would go through people associated with Lyman and look for ties to that picture and some of the other evidence. I agree wholeheartedly with 320, Lyman and Janelle's murders seem to be the least random of all that I know of.

The really big question in my mind, is why someone said that LE had fingerprints but that they couldn't connect ear-ons until recently. And why we still are not sure about VR. Is the board letting that fall down the rabbit hole too?

"Tracker posted another article that had a picture that looked just like the decal. Imo, it is the best possible source for the decal that I have seen. If LE was active in this case, I would hope they would go through people associated with Lyman and look for ties to that picture and some of the other evidence." 

I think this was posted on A&E regarding a discussion on the FireBee program. Several people thought the sticker was somehow related to that program. Here is the picture and the link to the pdf. 

www.history.navy.mil/nan/backissues/1990s/1997/ma97/mugu.pdf

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"In 1982, the Los Angeles Task Force developed the case known as the Grandma Mafia case, where middle age women ... served on a bank account in the name of the courier, Hetrick became concerned that he was a target of an investigation."

books.google.com/books?id=rynnOb8GD-IC&q=William+Morgan+Hetrick&dq=William+Morgan+Hetrick&hl=en&sa=X&ei=SWUAU4zQJs3goASg-IHADQ&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCA

[Drifter]

"I just prefer to think of EAR/ONS as someone less connected who might actually still be caught one of these days."
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Well I can understand that.

I'd be more inclined to agree with you if this guy had not been so prolific. But 10 murders and 40+ rapes ... how does a criminal get away with so many crimes, and not have connections?

Just something to think about.

[lepke]

I am open to the idea that EAR/ONS had connections, but there have been many serial killers and/or serial rapists that have never been caught, and the ones that have, sometimes having committed more offences than EAR/ONS, like Robert Napper, Delroy Grant and Harold Shipman for instance, usually were guys who didn't seek to draw attention to themselves, going about their lives like most of the rest of us...

[gskonstracker]

Feb 27, 2014 16:58:54 GMT lepke said:

I am open to the idea that EAR/ONS had connections, but there have been many serial killers and/or serial rapists that have never been caught, and the ones that have, sometimes having committed more offences than EAR/ONS, like Robert Napper, Delroy Grant and Harold Shipman for instance, usually were guys who didn't seek to draw attention to themselves, going about their lives like most of the rest of us...

But we know that ONS liked to draw attention to himself. Why else would he write and send a poem, call/taunt the police, leave the map and notebook pages? IMO, this is a person who likes attention.

[lepke]

When I wrote draw attention to themselves, I meant that they were not the kind of people who would have been well known by prominent figures and in powerful enough positions to possibly pull strings in an investigation into their crimes. None of them were very wealthy, or had political connections, and the only one who had a measure of power that would not have extended that far, was Harold Shipman in his role as a GP in a less than salubrious area of Manchester.

[albion]

Feb 27, 2014 22:24:07 GMT lepke said:

When I wrote draw attention to themselves, I meant that they were not the kind of people who would have been well known by prominent figures and in powerful enough positions to possibly pull strings in an investigation into their crimes. None of them were very wealthy, or had political connections, and the only one who had a measure of power that would not have extended that far, was Harold Shipman in his role as a GP in a less than salubrious area of Manchester.

Could that be one of the differences between serial killers that get caught and those that don't? Is that the difference between serial child abusers who get caught and those that get "not" caught? Even though it is later proven that people knew about their crimes. Just thinking out loud. JtOL. 

[lepke]

Harold Shipman was well liked and respected in his community, and even once he was charged with murdering his patients, many of the ones he hadn't had a chance to murder yet, continued to support him and refused to believe what the police were saying he had done.

Delroy Grant was a carer for his disabled wife, a Jehovah's Witness, and father and stepfather to several young people, and was also well regarded in the place that he lived, sometimes organising barbecues where the neighbours would get the chance to meet each other.

While Robert Napper was a loner, and also a paranoid schizophrenic with autism, he was not known to behave in a particularly attention grabbing way outside the context of his crimes, and worked in a warehouse where no one seemed to think he was someone to be feared or suspected of terrible crimes.