Honestly I think the Zodiac killing is an example of either one man who uses another to do his dirty work, or someone who lives somewhere nearly no one would find him (like Ted K, how he was found was a pretty interesting deal all in and of itself) and that during the time it happened, he was something the moviemakers today would write about. He was ahead of his time (not to put it in a sick way, just the way the era was talked about it was just so different, twisted, pick the word)
That is why I think it won't ever be found, same as the EARONS case too (sorry team) there are just too many outliers and twisted facts, speculation, and the media's interests on how to present it at the time etc. Hell even the book was fictionalized a lot to make it seem more readable but that's just a bs way to say it's the only way we could make as much money as we set out to. It's * getting thrown at the fan, sadly.
Take the Zodiac movie for example. Great, but fiction, and yet most of the unknowing public believe that to be the fact before they even delve into the real zodiac mystery. THEN they see a new book every 5 years publicized with some loonie claiming they have detailed (speculated) evidence that someone they know is the guy. You get 58% of the way there, but in the real world that just isnt enough. Sad but true.
Like that awesome True Detectives quote when they talk about not getting everyone and he replies "We got our guy, and that's enough" or something to that effect.
I think there's significantly more hope and current LE investigation with EARONS than an almost totally reactive "dead case" like Zodiac where there's a formulaic response from LE should new information arise. Louis Meyer, Jack Tarrance, Deborah Perez...this latest guy...who's to blame LE or anyone who follows the case??? I get the feeling that there is more being held back by LE and more activity with the EARONS case than has happened w/ the Zodiac case in the last couple of decades...rightly or wrongly.
I've posted here before that I thought that Sudden Terror ( although needing an editor ) is considerably more matter of fact than Robert Graysmith's Zodiac book which is not only full of "narrative flow" writings but suppositions and faux facts that don't match the record. You still hear people say "they'll be hard pressed to find a better suspect than Art Allen" just based on Graysmith's book and not on any further knowledge of the case.
Crompton ( who was part of the investigation ) didn't do a disservice to the case while Graysmith ( a political cartoonist / writer ) who fancied ( and/or fancies ) himself "part of the team" IMO definitely did...there might even be something to be said in the positive about EARONS being a relatively lesser known case than Zodiac. That's probably just someone talking who's been interested in the Zodiac case for over 40 years and has seen it go from an active case to a recurrent "15 minutes of fame" PR/media event. If I remember correctly, there were over 40 people who confessed to the 1947 "Black Dahlia" murder in L.A. ( which got tremendous publicity ) so I guess things haven't changed very much....
That 55 clip is from when Bo Diddley managed to * off Ed Sullivan! Sullivan wanted him to play Tennessee Ernie Fords 16 Tons. He waltzed onstage and started playing his own tune. What a badass!! He was never invited back.
magnumforce73: "You make people afraid, and that makes You dangerous."--Vera Bloom as "Sarah Belding" in HIGH PLAINS DRIFTER, 1973.
Jan 15, 2021 21:16:41 GMT
magnumforce73: "It's what people know about themselves ON THE INSIDE that makes 'em afraid."-- The Stranger, Lago, CA, c. 1870s.
Jan 15, 2021 21:17:26 GMT
pod: I don't look at kitten pictures ever. Honest. Not ever. Nor puppy pictures. Who wants to look at puppy pictures? Not me, sir. Definately not.
Jan 15, 2021 23:52:24 GMT
elir: Deep thoughts, all.
Jan 16, 2021 7:23:17 GMT
nowhereman: everyone watch that Night Stalker documentary on Netflix... I wasn't familiar with that much of the details it was very good. basically from the perspective of the main detectives so you get a feel of how difficult it was to identify him
Jan 18, 2021 15:54:29 GMT
nowhereman: I'm old enough to remember no internet, the internet is an awesome thing but it can also be a cesspool. It's like a major city...there's all these cool neighborhoods and resturants but then some other places you better watch your back
Jan 18, 2021 15:56:01 GMT
sammyt: The Night Stalker documentary was really good. I didn't know that Ramirez had so many additional victims.
Jan 18, 2021 17:16:14 GMT
sammyt: How were we ever arguing that EAR could have been versatile in terms of MO and victimology? Ramirez was already proof such an offender could exist. Ramirez was a killer, and also a rapist, and also a child abductor.
Jan 18, 2021 17:19:08 GMT
sammyt: His victims included children, couples and the elderly. Ramirez committed home invasion murders and rapes, but also street murders and abductions.
Jan 18, 2021 17:24:31 GMT
nowhereman: Yeah, Ramirez was all over the place with his MO. And geographically too.
Jan 19, 2021 2:40:37 GMT
elir: Did Ramirez commit crimes outside of SoCal?
Jan 19, 2021 3:05:24 GMT
justasking: But, not to sound crude, Ramirez was - in the end - only the "handcuffeé", and not the "handcuffer".
Jan 19, 2021 18:16:35 GMT
cherylh: Elir, yes -- Ramirez committed some crimes in the San Francisco area.
Jan 20, 2021 2:42:20 GMT
cherylh: Also, Ramirez is extremely likely to have committed many crimes not yet attributed to him.
Jan 20, 2021 2:42:51 GMT
elir: Wow, so many serial killers in NoCal and SoCal
Jan 21, 2021 3:54:16 GMT
Brad: Just watched the whole documentary series on Ramirez this morning. Very well done, for sure.
Jan 21, 2021 16:53:01 GMT
sammyt: It's good that modern crime documentaries are focusing more on the victims, but IMO the Nightstalker series should have looked deeper into the childhood/background of Ramirez
Jan 22, 2021 15:12:54 GMT
f1guyus: Take a look at “How to Fix a Drug Scandal” on Netflix.
Jan 22, 2021 17:53:30 GMT