TOW TRUCK DRIVER & COP possibly?

[cleopatra]

I believe mustangman has a strong and plausible theory. It could explain the long asked question of how this killer moved vehicles and couples without an accomplice.


THE FOLLOWING IS FROM THE KEITH CALL & CASSANDRA HAILEY THREAD:


POST by mustangman

IMHO Cathy/Becky were not killed on the Parkway, the body in the trunk & backseat suggest that the killer had to drive the car and the Civic being such a small car he could only fit one in the trunk & one in the backseat to keep the bodies somewhat hidden while he drove to the Parkway.

POST by cleopatra

"somewhat hidden while he drove to the Parkway."

Unless he towed the civic to the Parkway.

Who'd think twice about seeing a tow in progress? I never look inside vehicles being towed. How are big trucks towed? Are they hauled?

With towing, there wouldn't be any need for a partner.
 
Cleopatra said:

Who'd think twice about seeing a tow in progress? I never look inside vehicles being towed. How are big trucks towed? Are they hauled?


With towing, there wouldn't be a any need for a partner.

Both bodies would be concealed. The front of the car would have been the most visible.

Maybe the CPK was the early morning tower for the Parkway. A few months ago I recall coming across a lawsuit of trooper brutality. It involved a guy who complained about troopers using the same towing company all the time. The guy was a tow truck driver and when he showed up to tow a car the troopers intimidated him, even beat him up. I'm going to see if I could find that case. I wonder if I posted it here somewhere.

Perhaps this was the reason the vehicles were left on the Parkway. So that he'd be called to do the tow.

This could also explain the dog's backtracking. He could have,

- towed the car, with the bodies in it to the spot it was found.

- switched over to Keith's car.

- left the tow truck there.

- drove the car to the Indian Field and thrown his victims over the bridge.

- returns to the tow truck - dog followed the scent of Keith's car.

- parked Keith's car and switches back over to his tow truck.

- drove away in his tow truck.

- waited for a call from the troopers to cleopatra said:







10 hours ago mustangman said:



LE seems to think that a few of the killings didn't happen where the bodies were found. So the logistics of how does one go about killing two seemingly random people then driving them to a dump location where you happen to have a car or boat waiting is not practical unless the CPK had access to a Tow Truck in a couple of the killings? IMHO Cathy/Becky were not killed on the Parkway, the body in the trunk & backseat suggest that the killer had to drive the car and the Civic being such a small car he could only fit one in the trunk & one in the backseat to keep the bodies somewhat hidden while he drove to The Parkway

With towing, there wouldn't be a any need for a partner.

Cleo, I've copied & pasted from the "CPK's Car (possibility)" thread my idea of CKP having a Tow Truck. I thought this a good avenue to explore, but didn't get much response. Also I DO mention about a Tow Truck in the post you commented on above.



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Nov 21, 2018 at 1:21pm trabuco, billthom56, and 2 more like this



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Post by mustangman on Nov 21, 2018 at 1:21pm


I'm wondering if, and this might have been mentioned elsewhere before, the CPK was a Tow Truck driver? When I drove tow truck back in mid 80's, we had a spare can of diesel fuel on the truck that we would to pour onto crash scene fluids that had leaked from the vehicles (after the vehicles had been moved), like transmission fluid, because the diesel fuel would help break up the spill and then evaporate after we swept up the & OIL-DRI (kitty litter) that we put on to soak up the fluids, we used the diesel because it wasn't too flammable. All Tow trucks have flashing lights & sort of represent someone in authority.



I ponder that if CPK was a tow truck driver, he could've pulled up behind the victims in a secluded section of road with his lights going, most people would stop or pull over for flashing lights (even yellow lights) and any witnesses would just think that the tow truck was there to help the car in front of it.


He could've also used the tow truck to haul the vehicles to the dump off scenes, this explains how he was able to get away from some of the scenes where we think he must've had an accomplice or a car waiting and again no one would suspect anything wrong with a tow truck late at night hooking up or dropping off a car.


He would be very familiar with police procedures and the officers, he could've known their routes and timing.







A tow truck isn't out of place on any road, no one would think it suspicious.







A tow truck has a police scanner and radio to communicate with them.







Tow truck drivers in small towns also double as volunteer fire dept. or volunteer police. (I personally had a friend who was all 3).







This is basically how most tow trucks were equipped in the 80's. So maybe we can find a link between Trooper Bowmans suspected killer (Worrells was a tow truck driver) and the CPK, if one even exists? There is a few years between Bowmans killing and the CPK, so maybe no link, but no stone goes unturned, right fellow sleuths? Do we know Worrells whereabouts and what he did for jobs thru the 80's?



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2 hours ago mustangman said:







7 hours ago cleopatra said:



Unless he towed the civic to the Parkway.







Who'd think twice about seeing a tow in progress? I never look inside vehicles being towed. How are big trucks towed? Are they hauled?







With towing, there wouldn't be a any need for a partner.



Cleo, I've copied & pasted from the "CPK's Car (possibility)" thread my idea of CKP having a Tow Truck. I thought this a good avenue to explore, but didn't get much response. Also I DO mention about a Tow Truck in the post you commented on above.











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Nov 21, 2018 at 1:21pm trabuco, billthom56, and 2 more like this



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Post by mustangman on Nov 21, 2018 at 1:21pm











I'm wondering if, and this might have been mentioned elsewhere before, the CPK was a Tow Truck driver? When I drove tow truck back in mid 80's, we had a spare can of diesel fuel on the truck that we would to pour onto crash scene fluids that had leaked from the vehicles (after the vehicles had been moved), like transmission fluid, because the diesel fuel would help break up the spill and then evaporate after we swept up the & OIL-DRI (kitty litter) that we put on to soak up the fluids, we used the diesel because it wasn't too flammable. All Tow trucks have flashing lights & sort of represent someone in authority.







I ponder that if CPK was a tow truck driver, he could've pulled up behind the victims in a secluded section of road with his lights going, most people would stop or pull over for flashing lights (even yellow lights) and any witnesses would just think that the tow truck was there to help the car in front of it.







He could've also used the tow truck to haul the vehicles to the dump off scenes, this explains how he was able to get away from some of the scenes where we think he must've had an accomplice or a car waiting and again no one would suspect anything wrong with a tow truck late at night hooking up or dropping off a car.











He would be very familiar with police procedures and the officers, he could've known their routes and timing.







A tow truck isn't out of place on any road, no one would think it suspicious.







A tow truck has a police scanner and radio to communicate with them.







Tow truck drivers in small towns also double as volunteer fire dept. or volunteer police. (I personally had a friend who was all 3).







This is basically how most tow trucks were equipped in the 80's. So maybe we can find a link between Trooper Bowmans suspected killer (Worrells was a tow truck driver) and the CPK, if one even exists? There is a few years between Bowmans killing and the CPK, so maybe no link, but no stone goes unturned, right fellow sleuths? Do we know Worrells whereabouts and what he did for jobs thru the 80's?



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Mustangman,







That's a really good call. I recall reading your theory. I've spent the past hour looking for that law suit I found a few months back. I don't think I posted it and my computer is jam-packed with CPK research.







I'm going on a trip and don't know if I'll have time to research while I'm gone. But the case I mentioned earlier was filed in the eighties. A mother sued the Commonwealth PD. There were witness statements. One in particular caught my attention - the girlfriend of a 20 year old tow truck driver saw a trooper kick her boyfriend in the back. He took them (her and her boyfriend away from his tow truck). I'm not absolutely certain about the details but it was along this line - The tow truck driver arrived at a tow job. It wasn't the first time he was confronted by a trooper who told him to leave because the trooper called another tow company. The guy was angry because according to his mother's testimony, the trooper's family or the trooper had a towing company and they were hogging all the tow jobs. In the lawsuit it was said by doing that, it was an unfair business practice and that the trooper was using his position to hog the tow work. I don't remember other details other than that the trooper brutalized the 20 year old man. I think the 20 year old tow truck driver may have died as a result of the confrontation, and that was the basis of the mother's law suit.







I found a few cases where Virginia State troopers were dismissed for misconduct. That was one of them. It was at the same time I found the law suit about the trooper (or a security guard who was a police imposter) who beat up a man during a festival. I hope I can find it again. I found it once.







Mustangman the tow truck theory may be the answer to how the hell this madman was moving two vehicles, getting back to one after driving another, etc.... and it would explain why he had rope and diesel. Your theory is strong. Especially since I don't believe he had an accomplice. I wonder what tow companies had contracts with the NPS back in 1986-1989, or were called by rangers when cars needed towing.







Cleo



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2 hours ago mustangman said:



Cleo, I've copied & pasted from the "CPK's Car (possibility)" thread my idea of CKP having a Tow Truck. I thought this a good avenue to explore, but didn't get much response. Also I DO mention about a Tow Truck in the post you commented on above.











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Post by mustangman on Nov 21, 2018 at 1:21pm











I'm wondering if, and this might have been mentioned elsewhere before, the CPK was a Tow Truck driver? When I drove tow truck back in mid 80's, we had a spare can of diesel fuel on the truck that we would to pour onto crash scene fluids that had leaked from the vehicles (after the vehicles had been moved), like transmission fluid, because the diesel fuel would help break up the spill and then evaporate after we swept up the & OIL-DRI (kitty litter) that we put on to soak up the fluids, we used the diesel because it wasn't too flammable. All Tow trucks have flashing lights & sort of represent someone in authority.







I ponder that if CPK was a tow truck driver, he could've pulled up behind the victims in a secluded section of road with his lights going, most people would stop or pull over for flashing lights (even yellow lights) and any witnesses would just think that the tow truck was there to help the car in front of it.







He could've also used the tow truck to haul the vehicles to the dump off scenes, this explains how he was able to get away from some of the scenes where we think he must've had an accomplice or a car waiting and again no one would suspect anything wrong with a tow truck late at night hooking up or dropping off a car.











He would be very familiar with police procedures and the officers, he could've known their routes and timing.







A tow truck isn't out of place on any road, no one would think it suspicious.







A tow truck has a police scanner and radio to communicate with them.







Tow truck drivers in small towns also double as volunteer fire dept. or volunteer police. (I personally had a friend who was all 3).







This is basically how most tow trucks were equipped in the 80's. So maybe we can find a link between Trooper Bowmans suspected killer (Worrells was a tow truck driver) and the CPK, if one even exists? There is a few years between Bowmans killing and the CPK, so maybe no link, but no stone goes unturned, right fellow sleuths? Do we know Worrells whereabouts and what he did for jobs thru the 80's?



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Mustangman,







That's a really good call. I recall reading your theory. I've spent the past hour looking for that law suit I found a few months back. I don't think I posted it and my computer is jam-packed with CPK research.







I'm going on a trip and don't know if I'll have time to research while I'm gone. But the case I mentioned earlier was filed in the eighties. A mother sued the Commonwealth PD. There were witness statements. One in particular caught my attention - the girlfriend of a 20 year old tow truck driver saw a trooper kick her boyfriend in the back. He took them (her and her boyfriend away from his tow truck). I'm not absolutely certain about the details but it was along this line - The tow truck driver arrived at a tow job. It wasn't the first time he was confronted by a trooper who told him to leave because the trooper called another tow company. The guy was angry because according to his mother's testimony, the trooper's family or the trooper had a towing company and they were hogging all the tow jobs. In the lawsuit it was said by doing that, it was an unfair business practice and that the trooper was using his position to hog the tow work. I don't remember other details other than that the trooper brutalized the 20 year old man. I think the 20 year old tow truck driver may have died as a result of the confrontation, and that was the basis of the mother's law suit.







I found a few cases where Virginia State troopers were dismissed for misconduct. That was one of them. It was at the same time I found the law suit about the trooper (or a security guard who was a police imposter) who beat up a man during a festival. I hope I can find it again. I found it once.







Mustangman the tow truck theory may be the answer to how the hell this madman was moving two vehicles, getting back to one after driving another, etc.... and it would explain why he had rope and diesel. Your theory is strong. Especially since I don't believe he had an accomplice. I wonder what tow companies had contracts with the NPS back in 1986-1989, or were called by rangers when cars needed towing.







Cleo











He would be very familiar with police procedures and the officers, he could've known their routes and timing.















A tow truck isn't out of place on any road, no one would think it suspicious.















A tow truck has a police scanner and radio to communicate with them.















Tow truck drivers in small towns also double as volunteer fire dept. or volunteer police. (I personally had a friend who was all 3).











Mustangman,







ALSO:







- the National Park Service for the CP may have used the same company for all its tows. There may have been a contract between the CP/NPS and tow company. If this was the case, the killer may have left the vehicles on the Parkway knowing he'd be the one to be towing it.







- a seasonal employee/ranger could have had a regular job as an emergency road service truck driver the rest of the year, or he owned such a business.







I'm beginning to believe the killer is from somewhere near Bluefield. That he was a tow truck driver and a policeman. That he MAY have murdered Trooper Bowman. Thinking about Michael Margaret's jeep and the way it was parked - backed up on the curb, the rear wheels up on the curb and the front wheels on the road. That would be how a tow truck would leave a vehicle. I'm not 100% sure of that parking job, so I'm going to look at the photos right now.







Worrell died a few years ago. If he wasn't the CPK, he may have still been associated with the killer.







Cleo

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Dec 5, 2018 1:43:55 GMT cleopatra said:

I believe Hoth has a very strong and plausible theory.  Hoth's theory could explain one of the CPM's biggest mysteries -  the long asked question about how this killer is moving vehicles and couples without an accomplice.

These posts are from the KEITH CALL & SANDRA HAILEY thread:


THE FOLLOWING IS FROM THE KEITH CALL & CASSANDRA HAILEY THREAD:





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Oct 11, 2018 at 3:38pm hoth said:





If we accept that this was a serial killer looking for couples, then I have to give less credence to the theories of people leaving the parties to follow the victims or being already in the backseat when the victims get into the car. Are there a bunch of individuals being killed and found in similar circumstances at Colonial Parkway? If not (and I have not heard that there were many cases of individuals being killed on this road), then the killer(s) is operating in and around this area rather than finding couples in other areas and bringing them there. Using occam’s razor It makes much more sense that the killer is finding victims around the murder area rather than all around and leading them there. Also, too much can go wrong if you’re driving people a long way while you’re sitting in the back seat with a gun.







I also tend to discount the hitchhiker theory as how many of the cars that are picking you up at night will be couples that fit your bill? And also how do you leave the area after you’ve committed the crime? I guess you can hitchhike from a different area and force couples to go to a place where you’ve pre-stashed a getaway vehicle (boat or car). But if you’re intent on committing a crime on a night, seems like a lot has to go right and there are a lot of logistics to take care of in order to be able to satisfy your need. Maybe this accounts for the stretches between crimes that it took a while to get everything perfect, but Occam’s razor again leads me think that the more convoluted and complicated scenarios are much less likely.







IMHO, the most likely explanations are those that involve someone who can lie in wait in lover’s lane areas late at night or who can stop cars around the target area and railroad victims when they come upon the right situation.







What I keep thinking about though is how a single individual gets a couple driving on Rt 17 to Colonial Parkway if that individual is not in the car forcing them to go there. And if we assume the perp is not hitchhiking, they would have to leave the car that they drove to get to Rt 17 somewhere on the side of Rt 17. But that’s too risky since someone could remember your car or a cop could check it out to see why it’s there. Is 17 the kind of road with businesses that have parking lots next to the road where one could stow a car late at night and come back to it later and no one would notice? Also, if you did that, you would have to hitchhike in the wee hours from the Colonial Parkway turnoff back to where your car was and someone could definitely remember that. Conversely, if you had your car at the turnoff or had a boat in the river near there you would have a lot of these same issues except in the reverse. I keep coming back to the odd and somewhat complex logistics of the Call and Hailey murders (as well as the odd separation of the two of them that the dogs seemed to smell). How does one individual accomplish all of this logistically unseen?







Sorry to keep stream of consciousness writing - I realize I have to think about all of this a lot more and continue to organize my thoughts. Right now I’m only struck with questions and the oddity of what the “facts” seem to point to.




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LE seems to think that a few of the killings didn't happen where the bodies were found. So the logistics of how does one go about killing two seemingly random people then driving them to a dump location where you happen to have a car or boat waiting is not practical unless the CPK had access to a Tow Truck in a couple of the killings? IMHO Cathy/Becky were not killed on the Parkway, the body in the trunk & backseat suggest that the killer had to drive the car and the Civic being such a small car he could only fit one in the trunk & one in the backseat to keep the bodies somewhat hidden while he drove to the Parkway.











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"somewhat hidden while he drove to the Parkway."



Unless he towed the civic to the Parkway.







Who'd think twice about seeing a tow in progress? I never look inside vehicles being towed. How are big trucks towed? Are they hauled?







With towing, there wouldn't be a any need for a partner.









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7 hours ago cleopatra said:



Who'd think twice about seeing a tow in progress? I never look inside vehicles being towed. How are big trucks towed? Are they hauled?







With towing, there wouldn't be a any need for a partner.



Both bodies would be concealed. The front of the car would have been the most visible.







Maybe the CPK was the early morning tower for the Parkway. A few months ago I recall coming across a lawsuit of trooper brutality. It involved a guy who complained about troopers using the same towing company all the time. The guy was a tow truck driver and when he showed up to tow a car the troopers intimidated him, even beat him up. I'm going to see if I could find that case. I wonder if I posted it here somewhere.







Perhaps this was the reason the vehicles were left on the Parkway. So that he'd be called to do the tow.







This could also explain the dog's backtracking. He could have,







- towed the car, with the bodies in it to the spot it was found.







- switched over to Keith's car.







- left the tow truck there.







- drove the car to the Indian Field and thrown his victims over the bridge.







- returns to the tow truck - dog followed the scent of Keith's car.







- parked Keith's car and switches back over to his tow truck.







- drove away in his tow truck.







- waited for a call from the troopers to tow the vehicle.



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7 hours ago cleopatra said:







10 hours ago mustangman said:



LE seems to think that a few of the killings didn't happen where the bodies were found. So the logistics of how does one go about killing two seemingly random people then driving them to a dump location where you happen to have a car or boat waiting is not practical unless the CPK had access to a Tow Truck in a couple of the killings? IMHO Cathy/Becky were not killed on the Parkway, the body in the trunk & backseat suggest that the killer had to drive the car and the Civic being such a small car he could only fit one in the trunk & one in the backseat to keep the bodies somewhat hidden while he drove to the Parkway.



Unless he towed the civic to the Parkway.







Who'd think twice about seeing a tow in progress? I never look inside vehicles being towed. How are big trucks towed? Are they hauled?







With towing, there wouldn't be a any need for a partner.



Cleo, I've copied & pasted from the "CPK's Car (possibility)" thread my idea of CKP having a Tow Truck. I thought this a good avenue to explore, but didn't get much response. Also I DO mention about a Tow Truck in the post you commented on above.











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Post by mustangman on Nov 21, 2018 at 1:21pm







I'm wondering if, and this might have been mentioned elsewhere before, the CPK was a Tow Truck driver? When I drove tow truck back in mid 80's, we had a spare can of diesel fuel on the truck that we would to pour onto crash scene fluids that had leaked from the vehicles (after the vehicles had been moved), like transmission fluid, because the diesel fuel would help break up the spill and then evaporate after we swept up the & OIL-DRI (kitty litter) that we put on to soak up the fluids, we used the diesel because it wasn't too flammable. All Tow trucks have flashing lights & sort of represent someone in authority.







I ponder that if CPK was a tow truck driver, he could've pulled up behind the victims in a secluded section of road with his lights going, most people would stop or pull over for flashing lights (even yellow lights) and any witnesses would just think that the tow truck was there to help the car in front of it.







He could've also used the tow truck to haul the vehicles to the dump off scenes, this explains how he was able to get away from some of the scenes where we think he must've had an accomplice or a car waiting and again no one would suspect anything wrong with a tow truck late at night hooking up or dropping off a car.





He would be very familiar with police procedures and the officers, he could've known their routes and timing.







A tow truck isn't out of place on any road, no one would think it suspicious.







A tow truck has a police scanner and radio to communicate with them.







Tow truck drivers in small towns also double as volunteer fire dept. or volunteer police. (I personally had a friend who was all 3).







This is basically how most tow trucks were equipped in the 80's. So maybe we can find a link between Trooper Bowmans suspected killer (Worrells was a tow truck driver) and the CPK, if one even exists? There is a few years between Bowmans killing and the CPK, so maybe no link, but no stone goes unturned, right fellow sleuths? Do we know Worrells whereabouts and what he did for jobs thru the 80's?



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Post by cleopatra on 27 minutes ago







2 hours ago mustangman said:







7 hours ago cleopatra said:



Unless he towed the civic to the Parkway.







Who'd think twice about seeing a tow in progress? I never look inside vehicles being towed. How are big trucks towed? Are they hauled?







With towing, there wouldn't be a any need for a partner.



Cleo, I've copied & pasted from the "CPK's Car (possibility)" thread my idea of CKP having a Tow Truck. I thought this a good avenue to explore, but didn't get much response. Also I DO mention about a Tow Truck in the post you commented on above.











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Post by mustangman on Nov 21, 2018 at 1:21pm











I'm wondering if, and this might have been mentioned elsewhere before, the CPK was a Tow Truck driver? When I drove tow truck back in mid 80's, we had a spare can of diesel fuel on the truck that we would to pour onto crash scene fluids that had leaked from the vehicles (after the vehicles had been moved), like transmission fluid, because the diesel fuel would help break up the spill and then evaporate after we swept up the & OIL-DRI (kitty litter) that we put on to soak up the fluids, we used the diesel because it wasn't too flammable. All Tow trucks have flashing lights & sort of represent someone in authority.







I ponder that if CPK was a tow truck driver, he could've pulled up behind the victims in a secluded section of road with his lights going, most people would stop or pull over for flashing lights (even yellow lights) and any witnesses would just think that the tow truck was there to help the car in front of it.







He could've also used the tow truck to haul the vehicles to the dump off scenes, this explains how he was able to get away from some of the scenes where we think he must've had an accomplice or a car waiting and again no one would suspect anything wrong with a tow truck late at night hooking up or dropping off a car.











He would be very familiar with police procedures and the officers, he could've known their routes and timing.







A tow truck isn't out of place on any road, no one would think it suspicious.







A tow truck has a police scanner and radio to communicate with them.







Tow truck drivers in small towns also double as volunteer fire dept. or volunteer police. (I personally had a friend who was all 3).







This is basically how most tow trucks were equipped in the 80's. So maybe we can find a link between Trooper Bowmans suspected killer (Worrells was a tow truck driver) and the CPK, if one even exists? There is a few years between Bowmans killing and the CPK, so maybe no link, but no stone goes unturned, right fellow sleuths? Do we know Worrells whereabouts and what he did for jobs thru the 80's?



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Mustangman,







That's a really good call. I recall reading your theory. I've spent the past hour looking for that law suit I found a few months back. I don't think I posted it and my computer is jam-packed with CPK research.







I'm going on a trip and don't know if I'll have time to research while I'm gone. But the case I mentioned earlier was filed in the eighties. A mother sued the Commonwealth PD. There were witness statements. One in particular caught my attention - the girlfriend of a 20 year old tow truck driver saw a trooper kick her boyfriend in the back. He took them (her and her boyfriend away from his tow truck). I'm not absolutely certain about the details but it was along this line - The tow truck driver arrived at a tow job. It wasn't the first time he was confronted by a trooper who told him to leave because the trooper called another tow company. The guy was angry because according to his mother's testimony, the trooper's family or the trooper had a towing company and they were hogging all the tow jobs. In the lawsuit it was said by doing that, it was an unfair business practice and that the trooper was using his position to hog the tow work. I don't remember other details other than that the trooper brutalized the 20 year old man. I think the 20 year old tow truck driver may have died as a result of the confrontation, and that was the basis of the mother's law suit.







I found a few cases where Virginia State troopers were dismissed for misconduct. That was one of them. It was at the same time I found the law suit about the trooper (or a security guard who was a police imposter) who beat up a man during a festival. I hope I can find it again. I found it once.







Mustangman the tow truck theory may be the answer to how the hell this madman was moving two vehicles, getting back to one after driving another, etc.... and it would explain why he had rope and diesel. Your theory is strong. Especially since I don't believe he had an accomplice. I wonder what tow companies had contracts with the NPS back in 1986-1989, or were called by rangers when cars needed towing.







Cleo



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27 minutes ago cleopatra said:







2 hours ago mustangman said:



Cleo, I've copied & pasted from the "CPK's Car (possibility)" thread my idea of CKP having a Tow Truck. I thought this a good avenue to explore, but didn't get much response. Also I DO mention about a Tow Truck in the post you commented on above.











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Post by mustangman on Nov 21, 2018 at 1:21pm











I'm wondering if, and this might have been mentioned elsewhere before, the CPK was a Tow Truck driver? When I drove tow truck back in mid 80's, we had a spare can of diesel fuel on the truck that we would to pour onto crash scene fluids that had leaked from the vehicles (after the vehicles had been moved), like transmission fluid, because the diesel fuel would help break up the spill and then evaporate after we swept up the & OIL-DRI (kitty litter) that we put on to soak up the fluids, we used the diesel because it wasn't too flammable. All Tow trucks have flashing lights & sort of represent someone in authority.







I ponder that if CPK was a tow truck driver, he could've pulled up behind the victims in a secluded section of road with his lights going, most people would stop or pull over for flashing lights (even yellow lights) and any witnesses would just think that the tow truck was there to help the car in front of it.







He could've also used the tow truck to haul the vehicles to the dump off scenes, this explains how he was able to get away from some of the scenes where we think he must've had an accomplice or a car waiting and again no one would suspect anything wrong with a tow truck late at night hooking up or dropping off a car.











He would be very familiar with police procedures and the officers, he could've known their routes and timing.







A tow truck isn't out of place on any road, no one would think it suspicious.







A tow truck has a police scanner and radio to communicate with them.







Tow truck drivers in small towns also double as volunteer fire dept. or volunteer police. (I personally had a friend who was all 3).







This is basically how most tow trucks were equipped in the 80's. So maybe we can find a link between Trooper Bowmans suspected killer (Worrells was a tow truck driver) and the CPK, if one even exists? There is a few years between Bowmans killing and the CPK, so maybe no link, but no stone goes unturned, right fellow sleuths? Do we know Worrells whereabouts and what he did for jobs thru the 80's?



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Mustangman,







That's a really good call. I recall reading your theory. I've spent the past hour looking for that law suit I found a few months back. I don't think I posted it and my computer is jam-packed with CPK research.







I'm going on a trip and don't know if I'll have time to research while I'm gone. But the case I mentioned earlier was filed in the eighties. A mother sued the Commonwealth PD. There were witness statements. One in particular caught my attention - the girlfriend of a 20 year old tow truck driver saw a trooper kick her boyfriend in the back. He took them (her and her boyfriend away from his tow truck). I'm not absolutely certain about the details but it was along this line - The tow truck driver arrived at a tow job. It wasn't the first time he was confronted by a trooper who told him to leave because the trooper called another tow company. The guy was angry because according to his mother's testimony, the trooper's family or the trooper had a towing company and they were hogging all the tow jobs. In the lawsuit it was said by doing that, it was an unfair business practice and that the trooper was using his position to hog the tow work. I don't remember other details other than that the trooper brutalized the 20 year old man. I think the 20 year old tow truck driver may have died as a result of the confrontation, and that was the basis of the mother's law suit.







I found a few cases where Virginia State troopers were dismissed for misconduct. That was one of them. It was at the same time I found the law suit about the trooper (or a security guard who was a police imposter) who beat up a man during a festival. I hope I can find it again. I found it once.







Mustangman the tow truck theory may be the answer to how the hell this madman was moving two vehicles, getting back to one after driving another, etc.... and it would explain why he had rope and diesel. Your theory is strong. Especially since I don't believe he had an accomplice. I wonder what tow companies had contracts with the NPS back in 1986-1989, or were called by rangers when cars needed towing.







Cleo











He would be very familiar with police procedures and the officers, he could've known their routes and timing.















A tow truck isn't out of place on any road, no one would think it suspicious.















A tow truck has a police scanner and radio to communicate with them.















Tow truck drivers in small towns also double as volunteer fire dept. or volunteer police. (I personally had a friend who was all 3).











Mustangman,







ALSO:







- the National Park Service for the CP may have used the same company for all its tows. There may have been a contract between the CP/NPS and tow company. If this was the case, the killer may have left the vehicles on the Parkway knowing he'd be the one to be towing it.







- a seasonal employee/ranger could have had a regular job as an emergency road service truck driver the rest of the year, or he owned such a business.







I'm beginning to believe the killer is from somewhere near Bluefield. That he was a tow truck driver and a policeman. That he MAY have murdered Trooper Bowman. Thinking about Michael Margaret's jeep and the way it was parked - backed up on the curb, the rear wheels up on the curb and the front wheels on the road. That would be how a tow truck would leave a vehicle. I'm not 100% sure of that parking job, so I'm going to look at the photos right now.







Worrell died a few years ago. If he wasn't the CPK, he may have still been associated with the killer.







Cleo

Cleo, what is Hoth's theory that might explain "the long asked question about how this killer is moving vehicles and couples without an accomplice"?  I don't see it here?

I did highlight in BOLD above my quote about the CPK possibly being a Tow Truck driver, but my name was removed from the quote you show as being made by HOTH.  is this what you are talking about? 

I don't recall HOTH ever mentioning CPK being a tow truck driver.

[cleopatra]

I'm sorry about that. I was rushing at the airport. I meant to say "Mustangman" Has a strong theory, not Hoth.

Look at how Michael Margaret's jeep is parked:

[cleopatra]

[cleopatra]

If the CPK was a tow truck driver, he could have unloaded the vehicles anywhere. He chose the CP to leave them.

He left Daniel Laurer's car at a public facility in a no parking zone where it would have to be towed first thing in the morning.

[ireeldumm]

In reviewing various discussion boards investigating a number of seemingly unrelated series of killings, it appears a POI has been identified in one case and this person could be tied,to other cases previously thought to be unrelated. This person is currently in prison for a 2010 killing and attack on a young couple along the Blue Ridge Parkway. There appears to be a strong similarity between the crimes in that the 2010 attack was also am unprovoked attack on a young couple in a secluded area of a national park that did not involve a sexual assault. I will leave the profiling for the experts, but serial attacks like these on couples are uncommon. From my understanding, it would appear there’s a good chance the crimes are, at the least, similarly motivated. Since the type of killer is uncommon, it would seem extremely odd that two different killers of this type would be active in such close geographic proximity. I will also let the experts speak as to any geographical profile, but from looking into this person’s address history in relation to the crimes, he appears to have convenient access to some of the crime scenes to include not only I-64 but also Rt. 29. This person also appears to have lived or had close relatives in Williamsburg and Bridgewager areas along with Lynchburg.There is a resemblance to the Rt. 29 stalker. The person was employed as a mechanic in 2010. I’m not sure of his earlier job history, but if he was a mechanic, this could explain access to multiple vehicles and reason attacks on weekends. He would have had at least a short distance to travwl from his rural home to the crimes, and mechanics usually start early meaning late night attack’s had to wait for the weekend. It is my understanding that DNA touch evidence from 3 of the scenes is being analyzed by the FBI and feel it should be compared to this person as a priority. I also think the DNA should be checked to see if it belongs to a relative of anyone in database. A more complete picture of his work and residence history as well as travels
should be put together.

It has been suggested this person resembles the Connecticut River Balley Killer composite and there is one there. It seems highly unlikely there would be a connection, but I haven’t been able to rule that out since this person has relatives and ties to the CRV going back to the dates of those crimes. I have also noted an address that is in very close proximity to Maura Murray with an extremely close temporal relationship between when that address becomes active and Maira’s disappearance. I am not jumping on conspiracy theories just yet but it is not lost on me that address related to this person becomes active in Springfield, MO around 2002, or his ties to Dallas and resemblance to composite in cold case in that region of country

[cleopatra]

Jan 28, 2019 7:39:31 GMT ireeldumm said:

In reviewing various discussion boards investigating a number of seemingly unrelated series of killings, it appears a POI has been identified in one case and this person could be tied,to other cases previously thought to be unrelated. This person is currently in prison for a 2010 killing and attack on a young couple along the Blue Ridge Parkway. There appears to be a strong similarity between the crimes in that the 2010 attack was also am unprovoked attack on a young couple in a secluded area of a national park that did not involve a sexual assault. I will leave the profiling for the experts, but serial attacks like these on couples are uncommon. From my understanding, it would appear there’s a good chance the crimes are, at the least, similarly motivated. Since the type of killer is uncommon, it would seem extremely odd that two different killers of this type would be active in such close geographic proximity. I will also let the experts speak as to any geographical profile, but from looking into this person’s address history in relation to the crimes, he appears to have convenient access to some of the crime scenes to include not only I-64 but also Rt. 29. This person also appears to have lived or had close relatives in Williamsburg and Bridgewager areas along with Lynchburg.There is a resemblance to the Rt. 29 stalker. The person was employed as a mechanic in 2010. I’m not sure of his earlier job history, but if he was a mechanic, this could explain access to multiple vehicles and reason attacks on weekends. He would have had at least a short distance to travwl from his rural home to the crimes, and mechanics usually start early meaning late night attack’s had to wait for the weekend. It is my understanding that DNA touch evidence from 3 of the scenes is being analyzed by the FBI and feel it should be compared to this person as a priority. I also think the DNA should be checked to see if it belongs to a relative of anyone in database. A more complete picture of his work and residence history as well as travels should be put together.

It has been suggested this person resembles the Connecticut River Balley Killer composite and there is one there. It seems highly unlikely there would be a connection, but I haven’t been able to rule that out since this person has relatives and ties to the CRV going back to the dates of those crimes. I have also noted an address that is in very close proximity to Maura Murray with an extremely close temporal relationship between when that address becomes active and Maira’s disappearance. I am not jumping on conspiracy theories just yet but it is not lost on me that address related to this person becomes active in Springfield, MO around 2002, or his ties to Dallas and resemblance to composite in cold case in that region of country

Why are you being so vague when the person is already in prison?  

[ireeldumm]

I’m new to this forum and in reading threads noticed another new member was cautioned about naming suspects with suggestion to give enough information to allow others to investigate independently. I wanted to give enough information to allow folks to investigate and come to their own conclusions since I’m interested to see what others think without my thoughts overly influencing their opinions. I am happy to share what I have so far. I have much more work to do on the addresses and putting together family tree to identify family this person likely to visit and their address history. This information may identify associates, property ownership, and/or additional records or information that requires additional investigation, and I expect it will even if only to rule things out. This person may have died in prison so any DNA connection would have to be made through familial connection like EAR/ONS. My thought is that a tight timeline and detailed history of this perosn’s residences, travels, family and associate addresses, and occupatiom / employers and residences needs to be compiled after which possible connections to unsolved crimes in the areas where this person could have been are investigated until / unless person can be ruled out.

I agree with the tow truck theory and previously had this thought as I believe one person involved despite early profile indicating two suspects. A tow truck may have lights and appearance that made victims assume National Park Ranger or Wildlife Officer came upon them, particularly if they had a spotlight on them. I believe a blue light bandit with a day job and not an officer involved. This is consistent with a suspect who may hav had access to tow truck through occupation as mechanic.

The person convicted of the 2010 murder is Ralph Leon Jackson.

[englishman]

Cardinal briefly mentioned this guy a while back, I don't think any of us looked into him. If he has links to Williamsburg that is very interesting, especially if a timeline can be developed or the links he has to area established.

[ireeldumm]

Though still reviewing records, currently appears family of Jackson’s wife from MA. Appears Jackson could have been visiting in-laws at time of CRV crimes, mother/father in law or sister in law. Sister in law address near Maura Murray begins days before disappearance though resided in area prior to then.  Following up on dayes of occasions such as death, birth and marriage that would have brought Jackson for visit to area and compare to dates of crimes.

Jackson’s wife had brother who appears to have in-laws in Williamsburg, Va. Parkway killings on weekends when Jackson could have been with wife in Williamsburg visiting wife’s brother at the brother’s in-laws.

Longer term visits such as those to care for sick family are also possible. Also other family or ties to these area expected.

Still determining relation and whether any possiible connection but currently appears father in law of Jackson’s daughter registered sex offender from NC for sexual assault and forcible sodomy.


 Jackson has earlier conviction involving DUI and other charges.  Records appear incomplete as there is habitual offender charge in history but no records of the prior charges in records secured to date.  Appears this could be to Jackson using a different DOB - year reflected as 1950 in NC arrest records but 1953 on all others.  Need to review court and arrest records for other addresses and to establish location on specific dates for timeline.

[englishman]

Jan 29, 2019 7:23:12 GMT ireeldumm said:

Though still reviewing records, currently appears family of Jackson’s wife from MA. Appears Jackson could have been visiting in-laws at time of CRV crimes, mother/father in law or sister in law. Sister in law address near Maura Murray begins days before disappearance though resided in area prior to then.  Following up on dayes of occasions such as death, birth and marriage that would have brought Jackson for visit to area and compare to dates of crimes.

Jackson’s wife had brother who appears to have in-laws in Williamsburg, Va. Parkway killings on weekends when Jackson could have been with wife in Williamsburg visiting wife’s brother at the brother’s in-laws.

Longer term visits such as those to care for sick family are also possible. Also other family or ties to these area expected.

Still determining relation and whether any possiible connection but currently appears father in law of Jackson’s daughter registered sex offender from NC for sexual assault and forcible sodomy.


 Jackson has earlier conviction involving DUI and other charges.  Records appear incomplete as there is habitual offender charge in history but no records of the prior charges in records secured to date.  Appears this could be to Jackson using a different DOB - year reflected as 1950 in NC arrest records but 1953 on all others.  Need to review court and arrest records for other addresses and to establish location on specific dates for timeline.

Checking the in-laws might help establish if he had a window of opportunity, especially if they have records revolving around alcohol or drugs. Jackson's wife could be one of those nagging spouses who drag their partners to their side of family social gatherings who watch them like a hawk and get very annoyed if they don't look like they are remotely enjoying themselves, on the other side she could be a big boozer who would not care if he disappeared off for a few hours.

[cleopatra]

Jan 28, 2019 15:31:57 GMT ireeldumm said:

I’m new to this forum and in reading threads noticed another new member was cautioned about naming suspects with suggestion to give enough information to allow others to investigate independently. I wanted to give enough information to allow folks to investigate and come to their own conclusions since I’m interested to see what others think without my thoughts overly influencing their opinions. I am happy to share what I have so far. I have much more work to do on the addresses and putting together family tree to identify family this person likely to visit and their address history. This information may identify associates, property ownership, and/or additional records or information that requires additional investigation, and I expect it will even if only to rule things out. This person may have died in prison so any DNA connection would have to be made through familial connection like EAR/ONS. My thought is that a tight timeline and detailed history of this perosn’s residences, travels, family and associate addresses, and occupatiom / employers and residences needs to be compiled after which possible connections to unsolved crimes in the areas where this person could have been are investigated until / unless person can be ruled out.

I agree with the tow truck theory and previously had this thought as I believe one person involved despite early profile indicating two suspects. A tow truck may have lights and appearance that made victims assume National Park Ranger or Wildlife Officer came upon them, particularly if they had a spotlight on them. I believe a blue light bandit with a day job and not an officer involved. This is consistent with a suspect who may hav had access to tow truck through occupation as mechanic.

The person convicted of the 2010 murder is Ralph Leon Jackson.

This guy should definitely be looked at.  No possibility should be passed up.

However, I personally do not believe Ralph Leon Jackson is the CPK.  His crime lacks most of the CPK's M.O..  Especially the parts which make his crimes extraordinarily unique.  The crime location/surroundings is also different. 

This is not to say that Jackson is definitely not the CPK.  No one knows who he is, except for him.   It is my personal opinion.  

[billthom56]

Cleo and All:

I don't believe that Ralph Leon Jackson is responsible for the Colonial Parkway Murders either, but he would be worth a look.

Thanks.



Bill Thomas

[ireeldumm]

It appears during his confession RLJ indicated that he knew park rangers are instructed to not get into armed confrontations. Not only does this suggest RJL is a coward, but it would explain why locations chosen with exception of I-64. If offender caught in the act, he would initiate armed confrontation at which time park rangers would stand down and offender would escape. RJL had to learn this from somewhere. Perhaps he could be familiar with the area from work. Perhaps he was a contractor that was hired to do work along the parkway, something that would require piece of equipment on flatbed or trailer, something even like a swamp buggy on a flatbed used to clear water hyacinths. Or, a tow operator who had contact with park rangers during course of employment. Employment history for RJL appears important.

In researching, it appears there was a study that concluded the 5th crime was the closest to the offender home (24%). Depending on crimes connected, this could put Shenandoah murders as being closest to offender home.

It appears possible offender knew Phelps/Lauer since bodies covered. If they were buried and heavy rains during month before hunting season washed away soil, then that would appear to suggest possibility victims known. They were covered by blanket (Phelps complete, Lauer partially) but thought that blanket had been moved. If both covered with blanket, suggests offender knew both victims. Greater care to hide bodies would appear to suggest closer to home than other crime scenes.

I seem to recall reading conflicting accounts of whether archaeologists used at the Phelps/Lauer scene or whether detectives were sifting through the dirt like archaeologists. I do recall a detective saying they were looking for a bullet at the Phelps/Lauer scene. It would seem a bullet to a skull would be pretty easy to identify and could explain by detectives looking for bullet. It could also be due diligence but that looks less likely based upon handling prior crime scenes.

It doesn't look like assault can be ruled out in all of these cases. No assault in the Thomas/Dowski murders could be explained by Thomas fiercely fighting back. Could also explain overkill. Edwards had possibly been assaulted. Hailey not found. Not able to determine if assault on Phelps. Don't believe assault in Shenandoah and not sure indications of struggle. It seems possible that having a male present heightened the feeling of power for the offender and fantasy ruined when discovered two women with no male thereby enraging him. If this is the case, based upon EAR/ONS, offender could have started series with single females before the CPK killings.

Still researching family of RJL and don't want to comment until know with certainty. Appears possible he is related closely to CNA. Also appears possible he had brother in law in MA hospital for operation during late 1980's - Hillcrest. Perhaps, related or not RJL had relative who was CNA for person injured in MA accident and who later moved to VA.

There was report of a man being investigated along I-64 for having red light that could be put on roof, fake badge, and handcuffs. Man reportedly cleared based upon results of lie detector. I can't help but wonder if this person was cleared otherwise because sociopaths can beat polygraph examinations.

The crimes were well planned but the victims appear to be randomly chosen based on preselected criteria. If offender cruising the area in a tow truck or work truck, it appears a ruse like that used by the Rt 29 stalker would be more likely to work. If that were the case, perhaps after getting victims to pull over offender told victims to look in glove compartment for AAA card to distract them. Maybe he told them he would give them a tow but to call AAA since he is on the list.

Or, if they were identified close to the chosen crime scenes and the opportunity arose, offender could have done something that would cause car to become disabled after short distance, like siphoning gas. Then he could have been watching/following and pretended to happen along the scene. If tow truck, could have been on AAA list or government contract to tow vehicles off federal property. I can see argument that Phelps/Lauer not connected since bodies covered and not on Federal land. Or maybe the opportunity did not arise along the CP that holiday weekend and offender had compulsion to act before end of weekend so he took risk of knowing victims and being close to home. Often offenders interviewed early in investigation. If person was known to investigators and they spoke with him, would explain why crimes stopped for years after this crime.

[ireeldumm]

I don't see mention of RLJ DNA being part of evidence. There is mention of test for victim DNA on one of RLJ items and it was negative. Police identified RLJ the day after crime by call from confidential informant reported to be family member. RLJ subsequently confessed. VA would have collected pre-conviction DNA at time of arrest but that would have been discarded when state charges dismissed. VA sample would be compared to VA database and not the NDIS database where FBI keeps CPK profile. So, if/when VA ran RLJ DNA through the VA database, it would not have been linked to CPK because profiles would have not been compared.

State charges dismissed before federal charges. This would appear to prevent VA from sharing DNA with FBI.

NDIS sample would have to be taken by FBI from RLJ or from evidence. It appears very unlikely collected from evidence. With only weeks between federal charges and conviction, would appear plea in place when removed state court and federal charges filed. If that is correct, then unlikely FBI tested evidence. As to testing the evidence now for DNA, Federal law looks very strict on when existing evidence can be tested after conviction. Appears federal law may prevent FBI from getting DNA off of evidence unless new trial. Possibly interestingly, RLJ filed appeal with argument of inadequate counsel that appears would be one of the few exceptions under which existing evidence can be tested. RLJ motion contested by federal prosecutor and denied by judge. I could be wrong but if RLJ claimed innocent and granted a new trial, don't believe he could have existing evidence tested. Was the gun ever tested for DNA? If DNA profile not developed or collected before conviction, does federal law allow FBI to secure post conviction sample solely for NDIS or would the sample have to be part of new testing of evidence for re-trial? If sample allowed, did FBI secure sample and if so, when? Is the backlog really 8 years?

Also, appears NDIS does not permit familial testing.