DeAngleo Cleared of 1975 Donna Jo Richmond Murder

[Any of N]

Jan 11, 2019 5:04:59 GMT looking4justice said:

Jan 11, 2019 1:33:32 GMT Any of N said:

We don't have to be DNA experts to form a reasonable opinion. From the press release that otis1 linked to.

How does this qualify as a slam dunk? Only three of 16 locations matched. This is the type of result that, at best, can only eliminate suspects. I wouldn't even go that far if there's any reasonable chance of sample contamination. With that in mind, let's review some of the podcasters' assertions:

• "Clifton matched 10 of the 17 alleles with the random male control that they used in the test."
• "At some point over the years, the cover had come off the slide, the hairs were exposed, and then the cover was reattached with scotch tape."
• "Further required control testing on the fluid, mixed up for the washing, found random male DNA. The lab repeated the test, and got the same result."
• "The source of the three alleles in the hair wash fluid remains unknown, and it could easily be a mixture of more than one male.
• Two of the three alleles do match DeAngelo–did the third one come from a lab worker, a police officer, or even Donna’s boyfriend?."
  

(Their emphasis, not mine. )

With old samples collected long before the advent of forensic DNA testing, none of this is not a surprise. It does seem odd, though, that the DA's office would trumpet the results.

In laboratory analysis there is a probability that a test will yield a positive result rather than a negative one. In bio-medical research this is a big problem. Meaning, false positives are more frequent than false negatives, due in part to the fact that it is much worse in medical consequences to have a test that says that you aren't sick when you are, than to have a test that says you are sick when you're not, and then upon further scrutiny and testing it can be determined in fact that you don't have breast cancer.

This is also why the forensic lab workers performed the DNA fluid test twice, in order to eliminate the positive test bias. The eternally resolute of us may be able to argue that Clifton is still innocent, but it has been confirmed that the DNA found does not belong to JJD, so in that regard it is an elimination. Further reading:


arxiv.org/abs/1802.04888

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_discovery_rate

www.gs.washington.edu/academics/courses/akey/56008/lecture/lecture10.pdf

I'm familiar with the balancing of Sensitivity and Specificity for clinical diagnostic tests. Yes, it's better to err on the side of detecting a disease or some other adverse condition. Yes, that's why you run a follow-up test to confirm the initial result and reduce the odds of having a false positive. As you noted, there was indeed a followup test. It produced the same result: random male DNA. No false positive. What's your point?

As far as being "eternally resolute" is concerned, I don't know if Oscar Clifton is guilty or not. I do tend to get eternally annoyed, though, at the blind faith people put in DNA tests, especially when we're talking about old, contaminated samples.

[looking4justice]

JJD matched 2/3, Clifton 3/3, identified alleles, test repeated same result, JJD can be eliminated. Still have doubts? Why don't we request the STR markers used and investigate the predicted frequency for their genetic profiles and then make a decision? That would be fun. I'd be glad to help you make the request. maybe we can get a forensic mag to do an article on it!

[cerulean]

Jan 11, 2019 5:41:31 GMT kemo said:

Jan 11, 2019 4:20:27 GMT cerulean said:

I'm not extending any benefit of the doubt when it comes to LE.  Too often enough, we see how unscrupulous they are when they 'tidy up' a crime. Especially old ones, that have dollars attached to them.

Wrt agendas,  has it ever been said who the hosts of this podcast are, and what their connection is to Clifton, or the crime?
I may have missed this, but I have listened to all of the podcasts, and if it was mentioned, it must have been done fleetingly.   They sound like they were paid to narrative as investigators, but I think I may have been told that they aren't actors.  I thought they were actors because their delivery sounds like they are acting convincing, and not sounding authentic. Like theyve been paid to sound authentic, but it rings hollow. There's just been a lot of questionable and specious assertions on their part; enough to make me want to roll my eyes, at times.

The 12-26-75 podcasters are two attorneys from LA. They do not identify themselves on the podcast but they have not concealed their identity. I am not aware that they have ever been involved in Clifton’s defense (his last appeal was heard in 2011 and he died in 2013 so they may have worked on his case).

They made a strong case that The VR was EAR so they have some credibility. They raise the possibility that the Tulare DA colluded with Clifton’s attorney to get a conviction. That doesn’t prove that he was innocent however. Plenty of guilty men are railroaded into prison.

If they dont take the time to introduce themselves on their own podcast or their website, and they dont give their names, then they are in fact concealing their identities.*
 And Im not sure why they would do that.  Im not saying theyre shady. I just find this a crappy way to conduct their podcast and it doesnt give automatic credence to them, just as voices on a podcast. Plenty of people can pop up - and have -  on this site, for example, and talk a good game. And only later  you would find out that they were full of shi t. 

* Have they given their names and explained who they were in any of those instances? I may have missed that.

[cerulean]

Jan 11, 2019 5:56:38 GMT almagata said:

My biggest concerns about the Clifton case is the behavior of Tulare County Law enforcement and the Tulare County DA. They ordered the destruction of essentially all evidence associated with the case in violation of California State law denying Clifton the opportunity to have that evidence available for his appeals.

Ultimately, LE should be looked at with a jaundiced eye, because of how often they cover up their own mistakes or  railroading  with more injustice, like losing and damaging evidence. Why wouldnt the public be inclined to believe that LE in general are some of the laziest motherfuc kers on the job, after the sheer negligence they have with evidence, collecting and keeping? Or the most corrupt, having the power to call them mistakes, when they were nothing of the sort? Look at the clusterfuc k of clowns in Sacramento, over the years, for one example.  So  its great that pressure is being applied to them. That doesnt mean that I have complete faith in the other team, on this matter. Mostly from the way they argue their case. They come off as disingenuous, too often, imo.

[cerulean]

Jan 11, 2019 5:41:31 GMT kemo said:

They made a strong case that The VR was EAR so they have some credibility.

So have I, and a cast of dozens (nearly everyone who's posted on the earons) over the years, at one time or another. And seemingly with much less evidence ! (?)

[almagata]

July 22, 2018 | Sacramento Bee, The (CA)
Author: Anita Chabria, Cresencio Rodriguez-Delgado and Lewis Griswold | Page: 1A | Section: News
2757 Words | Readability: Lexile: 1140, grade level(s): 9 10 11-12

The day after Christmas in 1975, Donna Jo Richmond, 14, was expected home before dark.

She had left her house in Exeter - the Central Valley town between Fresno and Bakersfield - earlier that afternoon, wearing new clothes she had received as holiday gifts and riding her bike to feed some farm animals and visit friends.

But as the sun sank and the valley fog thickened, she had not returned and her mother grew concerned.

Richmond's family went looking for her, but all they found was more worry and her bicycle, damaged and abandoned, in a neighbor's orange grove. Underneath it was a handyman's invoice book with a name inside: Oscar Archie Clifton.

Police knew Clifton, then 35, a carpenter and painter, with a decade-old conviction for assault and attempted rape, who lived nearby. Just after midnight, they arrested him for kidnapping. Hours later, a farmworker found Richmond dead in another grove a few miles away. She had been strangled and stabbed and was naked from the waist down.

The charges against Clifton were upped to murder, and a year later, he was convicted of abducting, attempting to rape and killing Richmond. He died in prison in 2013 while serving a life sentence but maintained his innocence during his decades of incarceration.

Recently, Joseph DeAngelo Jr. was arrested at this home in Citrus Heights on suspicion of being the East Area Rapist (aka the Golden State Killer), thought to be responsible for more than 50 rapes and a dozen murders throughout California. Authorities also believe he is responsible for a series of burglaries and Peeping Tom incidents in Tulare County, credited to the Visalia Ransacker.

DeAngelo worked in Exeter, near Visalia, as a police officer at the time Richmond was murdered. Now, as authorities examine cases that could be connected with DeAngelo, Clifton's quick arrest, problems with the evidence used against him and a years-long effort by a private investigator have raised a troubling question: Did Clifton serve life in prison for a crime committed by the Golden State Killer?

"He was innocent," said Tony Reid, a Los Angeles lawyer and detective who has extensively examined the case and documented his findings on the podcast 12-26-75. "Wrongful convictions are ... difficult to decipher because there are half-truths and lies. (But) the truth speaks for itself. The evidence speaks for itself."

Richmond's body was found close to the site of another vicious crime that local police were struggling to solve at the time.

In November 1974, about a year before Richmond was killed and a year-and-a-half after DeAngelo began working in the area, Jennifer Armour, 15, was found dead, drowned in a canal with her bra knotted around one wrist as if her hands had been bound with it.

Unlike Richmond, whose family was established in the area (her father worked in the county assessor's office), Armour was new in town. Her parents were recently divorced, said her brother, Rob Armour, and the family was "falling apart."

Armour's dad was a Coast Guard officer and her mother had stayed home. Now, their mom was struggling to support three kids. Jenny started "ditching school" and running with a tough crowd of boys who lived nearby, Armour said.

The night she vanished, she was walking to the Visalia Kmart to meet friends and go to the Cowhide Football Game, an annual rivalry match between the two local high schools. Like Richmond, she never made it home.

Armour was found more than a week later in the Friant-Kern Canal, two miles north of where Richmond's body would be discovered along the same man-made waterway.

Rob Armour, then 13, remembers officers coming to his door with a leather necklace he had made for his sixth-grade girlfriend, then given to Jenny when the girl broke up with him. Police asked him to identify it.

"It was like on TV," he said. "You just know why they are there before they say anything."

He and his brother were taken to the station and questioned, then left to walk home alone, he remembers.

Police initially looked at the young men Jenny hung out with as suspects, Armour said. But no arrests were ever made, and over the decades, the case was largely forgotten. Armour and his family didn't talk about it, he said.

But last November, cold case detectives with the Tulare County Sheriff's Office unexpectedly put out a public call for information attempting to link Clifton to the Armour killing.

In a press release from Nov. 16, the department wrote: "Tulare County Sheriff's Cold Case detectives are asking the public to think back to the mid-1970s for information about a man who was convicted of murdering an Exeter teen, Donna Richmond. ... Her killer, Oscar Clifton, may have murdered a Visalia girl the year before, said Det. Dwayne Johnson. 'There are similarities in the cases,' he said. 'Both girls were blonde and blue-eyed and their bodies were discovered south of Woodlake and north of Exeter about a year apart.'"

Police re-interviewed the Clifton family, apparently also trying to connect Oscar Clifton to the Ransacker case, said Clifton's daughter Annette O'Hara.

"They asked, 'Did he leave at night at odd hours and come back at odd hours?'" she said. "They were simply trying to close the Jennifer Armour case and say the person who killed those two girls was the Visalia Ransacker."

Rob Armour, who lives in Visalia, said he was taken off guard by the police's press release. He said he believes the initial investigation of Jenny's case was rudimentary, and the push to link it to Clifton now "too convenient," especially since Clifton is dead.

"I think (Clifton) got a bum deal," Armour said. "There's just too much that says 'no' to Clifton and points to DeAngelo."

The Visalia Ransacker

Three months before Richmond's death and a year after Armour's, another local teenage girl was dragged from her bed in an attempted kidnapping.

Investigators suspect DeAngelo did it.

Beth Snelling, a blond, 16-year-old cheerleader, was asleep on Sept. 11, 1975, when she awoke to a man on top of her. He ordered her to come with him, Snelling has said, and led her out of the house. The noise woke her father, Claude Snelling, a college professor who taught journalism.

The father ran into the backyard to help his daughter. The attacker pushed Beth to the ground, then pulled a gun and fatally shot Claude twice. He kicked Beth in the head multiple times and ran off.

Police quickly linked the attack to a series of home burglaries and Peeping Tom incidents that had plagued the area since spring 1973. A criminal dubbed the Visalia Ransacker had broken into more than 100 homes, taking only souvenirs such as a single earring and sometimes guns, including the one used to shoot Snelling. But the intruder also liked going through women's undergarments and was suspected of watching houses and victims prior to and after his break-ins. One of his victims was a female cousin of Richmond's, according to her older sister, Debra Richmond.

John Vaughan was a 35-year-old sergeant with the Visalia Police Department and was in charge of the case. After the Snelling attack, he and other officers held multiple nighttime stakeouts to catch the Ransacker, he said.

In December 1975, Vaughan got a break. A homeowner noticed a flowerpot under a teenage girl's window had been moved, possibly so a peeper could get a better view. Vaughan and his team set up a watch, "and here comes the Ransacker, wearing a ski mask," he said.

One of Vaughan's men, Detective William McGowen, confronted the man. The Ransacker pulled up his mask with his right hand as if to surrender, then shot at McGowen with a gun in his left hand. The bullet blew out McGowen's flashlight and the Ransacker fled.

Vaughan said the Ransacker never struck another house after that confrontation, which occurred about two weeks before Donna Jo Richmond was killed.

DeAngelo left Exeter in spring 1976 and began working for the police in Auburn, north of Sacramento, in August of that year. In June 1976, the East Area Rapist began a series of home burglaries and rapes that terrorized the region. Seeing the similarities with the Ransacker, Vaughan and McGowen came to Sacramento, but Sacramento sheriff's deputies didn't agree the crime sprees were linked.

In a public spat, the Sacramento sheriff's office accused McGowen and Vaughn of being "irresponsible" and "unprofessional" in a Bee interview on July 23, 1978, and of seeking publicity.

When DeAngelo was arrested in April, the Visalia Ransacker connection was acknowledged by authorities, though it is still under investigation. The statute of limitations has expired on the burglaries, but Visalia Police Department spokesman Sgt. Damon Maurice said the allegations about the Snelling murder have been submitted to the Tulare County district attorney, where spokesperson Stuart Anderson said no charges against DeAngelo have been formally filed but are being reviewed.

Jenny, Beth, Donna Jo

Investigators also have started examining if DeAngelo could be the perpetrator in Jenny Armour's unsolved killing.

"He is one of the suspects," said Chris Dempsie, a cold case investigator for the Tulare County Sheriff's Office. "He was employed in Exeter at the time. ... We know DeAngelo is capable of killing."

If police think DeAngelo could have killed Armour, and also believe the Richmond and Armour cases could be linked, as evidenced by the November press release, some wonder if they should investigate DeAngelo for the Richmond case as well.

"After you learned all about him, don't you think it could be (DeAngelo)?" said Vaughan, the retired Visalia police detective who investigated the Ransacker. "That's the way I feel. ... It's a lead. You should reopen the case and investigate."

Dempsie said at the time of the original Richmond investigation, "the similarity was noted" between Richmond's killing and Armour's. But he doesn't believe there is cause to reopen a case with a conviction.

"I haven't seen any evidence (Clifton is) the wrong guy. ... It seems solid to me," Dempsie said.

Clifton was convicted largely on a circumstantial case that centered on the invoice book with his name inside found by Richmond's bike and tire imprints that police said were similar to the wheel's on Clifton's truck. Richmond's clothes also were found strewn along the roadway between the body and Clifton's house.

The strongest physical evidence was a single hair found on the white sweater Clifton was wearing the day of the crime. Analysis found the strand could have belonged to Richmond - but also could have been a match for Clifton's youngest daughter, or Clifton himself.

There was no physical evidence such as blood found on either Clifton or Richmond that definitively linked them - a substance suspected to be semen found on some of Richmond's pubic hair proved inconclusive.

In the decades Clifton fought his conviction, unsettling details emerged about the investigation and trial.

The day after he was arrested, Clifton's picture ran in the local newspaper in the small town of about 5,000 people, before some witnesses at trial had identified Clifton to police, said O'Hara, Clifton's daughter. Public sentiment was fierce and grew worse when information reported in media and shared with the public said Richmond had been raped and sodomized - though Clifton was charged only with attempted rape.

Those claims were never publicly corrected, but Richmond's autopsy concluded she was "virginal." The autopsy report examined by The Bee also noted that Richmond's mouth and genitalia were found to be "free of trauma."

"They painted a horror into a bigger horror, so it was unfathomable and people couldn't believe this could happen," O'Hara said. "People wanted that person to be convicted and killed because this is what (he) did."

O'Hara said police had animosity toward Clifton.

In 1966, he was arrested for assault with intent to rape, according to newspaper reports and court records. Clifton was accused of attacking an 18-year-old woman while she was sunbathing along a riverbank. The woman said Clifton was wearing a blue bathing suit and a stocking mask over his face when he grabbed her and pinned her to the ground. Clifton fled when a car pulled up. Police subsequently located and arrested Clifton at the scene. He was convicted and sentenced to 180 days in county jail.

Prosecutors in the Richmond case also failed to turn over all evidence before the trial, including fingerprints taken from Clifton's truck and a witness interview that might have placed him elsewhere at the time of the crime, according to court documents. Later, the tire information used to place him at the scene also proved flawed - one key measurement had been recorded incorrectly, according to court documents.

Less than a year after Clifton's conviction, police destroyed all of their physical evidence in the case, before Clifton had a chance to appeal.

More than three decades later, the Northern California Innocence Project at Santa Clara University School of Law took on Clifton's case and helped him locate 46 slides of hair samples, as well as personal and clothing items of Richmond's that had escaped destruction because they had been left at a lab and in the court's evidence room. Among the items were three hairs taken from a ski mask found near Richmond's body.

The items were tested for DNA, but nothing that either proved Clifton's guilt or cleared him could be obtained, said Linda Starr, co-founder of the Northern California Innocence Project.

But what struck Starr about the case was the way evidence seemed to appear and disappear. "It was very troubling to me that every time someone looked at the case, something turned up after being told there was nothing," Starr said. "It was so significant that a federal magistrate commented on it."

'Stick with Clifton'

The Richmond family does not think Clifton was wrongly convicted. Brenda Richmond was married to Donna's brother before he was killed in an accident. She said Nancy Jo Richmond, Donna's mother, is certain of Clifton's guilt and doesn't feel there is enough evidence to reopen the case.

"(In) her mind, she's positive it was Clifton," said Brenda Richmond. Nancy Richmond declined to be interviewed.

Brenda said the killing devastated Nancy Richmond. "She didn't celebrate Christmas ... for years," she said. "I think that the family will just stick with Clifton. I would hate to see my mother-in-law have to hate someone else again."

Debra Richmond, Donna's sister, said investigators had additional evidence against Clifton that wasn't shared at trial, and she believes the right man was put in prison.

"Even though it wasn't legal evidence in court, they did double check just to make sure," she said. "They knew he had done it."

The Clifton family said they respect the Richmond family's pain, but they want to be certain of the truth.

"I think that not only does (Oscar) deserve it, but Donna deserves it and Jennifer," said O'Hara. "Honestly, the only reason we are talking is because we as his children believe that ... it needs to come out in the open."

Clifton's daughters said their family also was devastated by the crime.

Relinda Narciso, Clifton's younger daughter, was in junior high when Richmond was killed, she said. After her father's arrest, her family was harassed and ostracized. She said that days after the news broke, an older boy at school put a knife to her neck and said it should have been her who was killed. For years, she believed the murder was somehow her fault.

O'Hara said she was treated "like I was guilty of something." She said she didn't think her "mom was going to survive it."

"Everybody knew and they were not nice," O'Hara said. She joined the Marines to escape town. "I never plan to go back," she said.

Narciso stayed to help her mom and "just kind of bottled things up," she said. "People need to understand it's not just the person who is convicted. They have to think about the other people in their lives too."

When DeAngelo was arrested, "I sat here on the couch and cried," Narciso said. "I was thinking, 'Oh my God, this could be the man. This could be the one that actually committed the crime."

Anita Chabria: 916-321-1049, @chabriaa

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[cerulean]

So Tony Reid and Chris Dempsie are the podcasters?

[almagata]

Jan 11, 2019 9:38:35 GMT cerulean said:

So Tony Reid and Chris Dempsie are the podcasters?

Tony Reid is one of the 12-26-75 attorneys.  He was one of Oscar Clifton's attorneys in the past. 

I don't know who the female narrator is. 

[californiah]

When the truth comes out (hopefully shortly) someone(s) at Tulare County TCSO- WILL be held responsible for this.

The key is in Almagatas post above- "Less than a year after Clifton's conviction, police destroyed ALL of their physical evidence in the case, before Clifton had a chance to appeal."

NOW they suddenly have DNA!! Yeah you know.. from the lab. ( so clearly this is Cliftons! make a match and lets stop talking about this)

What a joke. 12-26 calls TCSO out on a "double down" on trying to link Jennifer A to Clifton--- So what is this A triple... Not even a phrase...

THIS is exactly why A MAN was allowed to run CALIFORNIA like a puppetmaster for 45 YEARS!!

He played Tulare County and all those graduates of the ZOOLANDER CENTER - for Kids Who Can't Read Good and Who Wanna Learn to Do Other Stuff Good Too.

WAKE UP.

To FABRICATE- invent or concoct (something), typically with deceitful intent.



I regress..... Back to Dee Snyder and the boys...." Don't you see no evil.. don't you hear no evil... You're gonna Burn in Hell"

[kg]

We need the TRUTH because Clifton’s family deserves justice too!

[otis1]

Jan 10, 2019 8:13:09 GMT cerulean said:

Jan 10, 2019 3:05:43 GMT otis1 said:

FYI
2 threads with links and numerous comments already exist.

Then they should all be combined under Other Crimes. Mods?

These podcast hosts seem incapable of accepting anything short of the conclusions theyve already drawn at the outset of their podcast. I'd like to see a 3rd party parse out the truth from wishful thinking on both sides.

From your lips to the moderators ears, or maybe we should say - from your keyboard to the moderators screens ... or whatever. 

The deed has been done and all the various threads are now combined. Makes things much easier.

PS cerulean - you're a terrific poster, always interesting & intelligent talking points!

[zebra]

If the sample was contaminated in the course of 2011 testing, it is meaningless. I'm a little surprised that they've affirmatively excluded JJD as the perpetrator on such a basis. But then again, I guess I'm not.

[californiah]

Jan 9, 2019 15:34:45 GMT otis1 said:

The 1975 murder of Donna Jo Richmond, which so many believe was the evil deed of Joseph DeAngelo has been conclusively linked to the convicted perpetrator Oscar Clifton.

Thankfully this can now be filed away permanently. There was no 'frame up' by dirty cop DeAngelo, there was no 'innocent man' jailed. 

Oscar Clifton was guilty and died in jail, befitting the scum he was.

Case Closed:

www.reuters.com/article/us-california-goldenstatekiller-idUSKCN1P31P9

abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/dna-clears-accused-golden-state-killer-1975-murder-60255352

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6572949/DNA-clears-accused-Golden-State-Killer-1975-murder.html

PUTTING THIS IN THE Non GSK-related crimes thread because we now have iron clad proof that this is a 100% Non GSK-related crime.

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Oscar Clifton was guilty and died in jail, befitting the scum he was.

Interesting COMMENT..  WOW what so strange.

Attachments:

[otis1]

Jan 12, 2019 0:33:46 GMT californiah said:

Jan 9, 2019 15:34:45 GMT otis1 said:

The 1975 murder of Donna Jo Richmond, which so many believe was the evil deed of Joseph DeAngelo has been conclusively linked to the convicted perpetrator Oscar Clifton.

Thankfully this can now be filed away permanently. There was no 'frame up' by dirty cop DeAngelo, there was no 'innocent man' jailed. 

Oscar Clifton was guilty and died in jail, befitting the scum he was.

Case Closed:

www.reuters.com/article/us-california-goldenstatekiller-idUSKCN1P31P9

abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/dna-clears-accused-golden-state-killer-1975-murder-60255352

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6572949/DNA-clears-accused-Golden-State-Killer-1975-murder.html

PUTTING THIS IN THE Non GSK-related crimes thread because we now have iron clad proof that this is a 100% Non GSK-related crime.


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Oscar Clifton was guilty and died in jail, befitting the scum he was.

Interesting COMMENT..  WOW what so strange.

Hi 
Can you help me understand what's going on here? You edited the moderators words in the above quote you used, and also posted an image of something without identifying what it is. 

Just for clarity, the above quote without you changing the wording is as follows:

Jan 9, 2019 15:34:45 GMT otis1 said:

The 1975 murder of Donna Jo Richmond, which so many believe was the evil deed of Joseph DeAngelo has been conclusively linked to the convicted perpetrator Oscar Clifton.



Thankfully this can now be filed away permanently. There was no 'frame up' by dirty cop DeAngelo, there was no 'innocent man' jailed. 



Oscar Clifton was guilty and died in jail, befitting the scum he was.



Case Closed:



www.reuters.com/article/us-california-goldenstatekiller-idUSKCN1P31P9



abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/dna-clears-accused-golden-state-killer-1975-murder-60255352



www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6572949/DNA-clears-accused-Golden-State-Killer-1975-murder.html



PUTTING THIS IN THE Non GSK-related crimes thread because we now have iron clad proof that this is a 100% Non GSK-related crime.





Edit by mods: After the breaking news cycle is over, this will be moved back to the non-GSK crimes folder.

So any clarification of whats going on would be appreciated.

[californiah]

Jan 12, 2019 1:01:12 GMT otis1 said:

Jan 12, 2019 0:33:46 GMT californiah said:

Hi 
Can you help me understand what's going on here? You edited the moderators words in the above quote you used, and also posted an image of something without identifying what it is. 

Just for clarity, the above quote without you changing the wording is as follows:

Jan 9, 2019 15:34:45 GMT otis1 said:

The 1975 murder of Donna Jo Richmond, which so many believe was the evil deed of Joseph DeAngelo has been conclusively linked to the convicted perpetrator Oscar Clifton.



Thankfully this can now be filed away permanently. There was no 'frame up' by dirty cop DeAngelo, there was no 'innocent man' jailed. 



Oscar Clifton was guilty and died in jail, befitting the scum he was.



Case Closed:



www.reuters.com/article/us-california-goldenstatekiller-idUSKCN1P31P9



abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/dna-clears-accused-golden-state-killer-1975-murder-60255352



www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6572949/DNA-clears-accused-Golden-State-Killer-1975-murder.html



PUTTING THIS IN THE Non GSK-related crimes thread because we now have iron clad proof that this is a 100% Non GSK-related crime.





Edit by mods: After the breaking news cycle is over, this will be moved back to the non-GSK crimes folder.

So any clarification of whats going on would be appreciated.

Yeah Strange.

                         Just happened to be a note, piece of paper left at "another" scene that mentioned SCUM.

i will look for that attachment.