A question about GSK's M.O./.Signature/Paraphilic Behavior

[mistress9]

Jan 20, 2019 22:56:25 GMT Agent99 aka Sandia said:

I am trying to figure out MO versus Signature versus Paraphilic behavior for serial killers in general and how that applies to possible other victims of the GSK.



There was a poster on the board named Murderinc. He has been banned because he won't stop stating things as fact instead of opinion and that's a shame because he is coming up with a lot of crimes. He's coming up with so many crimes, they can't all be DeAngelo but his info is helpful to people that are researching.


Then there are the 12-26-75 podcasters that have been coming up with some very interesting cases. I had already been very interested in the Cindy Wanner case and knew about some of the other cases they brought up but while I had discounted some of them the podcasters have furnished new enlightening information that makes me interested again.
  These cases are interesting for a number of reasons, either location or other things.  However some of these cases involve strangulation or stabbing.


Here is my question: Would it be considered almost unheard of for a serial killer to change his preferred method of killing people.  Would a killer that bludgeoned his victims to death, never killed with a knife as far as is known a knife but did kill with a gun if he lost control or was being pursued change to strangling or stabbing his victims?  Would that be almost unheard of, or is that something that isn't unusual at all. Does a strangler always strangle for instance.  Does a bludgeoner always bludgeon unless he loses control? 

I wonder if the method of murder is considered paraphilic behavior unless circumstances means he has to do something different to escape therefore it becomes M.O. 


A sampling of interesting cases I wonder if could be connected: Terry Lynn Ray in Redding stabbed, Cindy Wanner strangled. Would that eliminate DeAngelo?
   How does LE determine what is paraphilic behavior and what is MO and what is Signature?

I found the following information but it doesn't discuss the weapon or method of killing a person:

M.O.
All criminals have a MODUS OPERANDI consisting of techniques, habits, and peculiarities in behavior which are performed with three basic objectives (Turvey, 2002):

1. Complete the crime

2. Affect escape

3. Avoid capture

M.O. is the sequence of events necessary to actually commit the crime. The criminal does each part a specific way because it has led to success. For instance, a burglar may always enter through a bedroom window because the burglar has met with success doing this. M.O. because a habit or fixation that is directly related to committing the crime.

SIGNATURE:
A signature is an action done that is beyond the act of the crime. It is a tell tale sign for that individual. For instance, the lipstick murderer always used red lipstick to write on bathroom stall doors taunting police. Leaving the message was not necessary to kill the girl but it was necessary for the killer to leave his mark or statement.



Other signatures include taking trophies or defecating on the scene.

Offender signature can be broken down into two separate but interdependent halves:
1) SIGNATURE ASPECT defines the theme or motive of an offense, and can include motivational categories such as profit, anger, retaliation, assertiveness, sadism, and et cetera (Turvey, 2002).

2)SIGNATURE BEHAVIORS on the other hand, are committed to satisfy the emotional and psychological needs of the offender and usually define the theme of a crime

The common challenge in distinguishing the MO from offender signature lies in the fact that certain offender actions committed in the act of the offense may satisfy both the offender’s MO and his or her signature. The key to determining which behavior falls into what category lies in the totality of the circumstances surrounding the offense. An example would be a rapist who covers his face. The act in and of itself could be an MO behavior in that the rapist may be attempting to conceal his identity. It could also be classified as offender signature in that covering his face enhances the sexual pleasure he may derive from the rape scenario in itself.



So the question remains about the method of killing a victim. 


By the way, I've always thought that he never stopped and that he just changed his MO from home invasion to kidnapping. Don't know if that will ever prove out to be correct or not but I think there were indications that home invasions were not a necessity for him since several times he kidnapped his victims as the EAR to a neighboring home or down the drainage canal in case #9. 

people just want to make up their own definitions and force other people to respect that. A paraphilia is any object or ritual that is not inherently sexual yet causes sexual excitation. That's it. EARONS' paraphilia was bondage, violence and eventually murder.

[elir]

An additional paraphilic behavior was likely what he did with women’s clothing. This behavior was present during his VR activity and also during his EAR phase. I haven’t heard if it also occurred when he was killing people during the ONS phase.

Perhaps Winters can say more ?

[samisdad]

A fascination with cordage and bondage.
Aroused by the look of fear on females.

[trabuco]

Feb 10, 2019 12:51:17 GMT elir said:

An additional paraphilic behavior was likely what he did with women’s clothing. This behavior was present during his VR activity and also during his EAR phase. I haven’t heard if it also occurred when he was killing people during the ONS phase.

Perhaps Winters can say more ?

This is exactly what I was thinking. As you have said, the fascination with women’s clothing especially what they sleep in goes back to the VR days.
I’ve got one more thought that is related to this: Beds. Victims asleep in their beds.

[samisdad]

The terrorist that violates the sanctury.

[trabuco]

Let's not forget his first love. He was very good at it and even worked in that department as a policeman. Burglary. I bring this up because of what the confessed serial rapist Dennis Rabbitt had said about himself. He said that he could be walking down a residential street at night and if he saw an open window or door it would give him an erotic feeling. Then I recall how in the early attacks the EAR would arrive fully aroused. Just being able to break into his victim's house undetected and arrive at the foot of their bed to watch them sleeping. This is when the EAR was in full control. He would even decide how he would wake his victim. Anything that aroused and excited him has to be in the M.O./Signature conversation imo.

[samisdad]

Feb 24, 2019 10:42:35 GMT trabuco said:

Let's not forget his first love. He was very good at it and even worked in that department as a policeman. Burglary. I bring this up because of what the confessed serial rapist Dennis Rabbitt had said about himself. He said that he could be walking down a residential street at night and if he saw an open window or door it would give him an erotic feeling. Then I recall how in the early attacks the EAR would arrive fully aroused. Just being able to break into his victim's house undetected and arrive at the foot of their bed to watch them sleeping. This is when the EAR was in full control. He would even decide how he would wake his victim. Anything that aroused and excited him has to be in the M.O./Signature conversation imo.

Clinically, I'm curious as to what events took place to establish his bonding of sexual excitement and terrifying violence. The compulsive fixation with covertly seeking out of those essential elements would have began shortly there after. The bonding would have had to be very early in his development psychologically and physiologically. Maybe even preverbal. I wonder what his mother and sister looked like back then? Perhaps it was more general like the "California girl" look. The alleged observed incident with his sister, although traumatizing, would've been too far removed for the bonding.

If the incident is a real event I would see JJD as a participant in the event as either one of the perpetrators or the victim in it, rather than a hidden observer. Too convenient. The theme of his terror was to violate the sanctity of a home or family. If his perspective was as an observer and it was he who related this story to others, I would see the telling more of a Disassociative event. Not an accurate retelling of the facts, more thematic. If so perhaps they even wore masks, military boots, fatigues, used cordage. 

[faser41]

Mar 2, 2019 21:48:48 GMT samisdad said:

Feb 24, 2019 10:42:35 GMT trabuco said:

Let's not forget his first love. He was very good at it and even worked in that department as a policeman. Burglary. I bring this up because of what the confessed serial rapist Dennis Rabbitt had said about himself. He said that he could be walking down a residential street at night and if he saw an open window or door it would give him an erotic feeling. Then I recall how in the early attacks the EAR would arrive fully aroused. Just being able to break into his victim's house undetected and arrive at the foot of their bed to watch them sleeping. This is when the EAR was in full control. He would even decide how he would wake his victim. Anything that aroused and excited him has to be in the M.O./Signature conversation imo.

Clinically, I'm curious as to what events took place to establish his bonding of sexual excitement and terrifying violence. The compulsive fixation with covertly seeking out of those essential elements would have began shortly there after. The bonding would have had to be very early in his development psychologically and physiologically. Maybe even preverbal. I wonder what his mother and sister looked like back then? Perhaps it was more general like the "California girl" look. The alleged observed incident with his sister, although traumatizing, would've been too far removed for the bonding.

If the incident is a real event I would see JJD as a participant in the event as either one of the perpetrators or the victim in it, rather than a hidden observer. Too convenient. The theme of his terror was to violate the sanctity of a home or family. If his was perspective was as an observer and it was he who related this story to others, I would see the telling more of a Disassociative event. Not an accurate retelling of the facts, more thematic. If so perhaps they even wore masks, military boots, fatigues, used cordage. 


Yep Sammy I’ve stated a few times, especially when I first read of it, that I would not be surprised to learn that it was DeAngelo himself that rape his sister. I could be totally wrong. Could also be right. The dynamics in that family had to have been very peculiar. 

[trabuco]

It was in the newspaper. They were making plans to be together but suddenly Bonnie ran. Did she learn something about JJD? Something just aweful?

[spodey]

Mar 2, 2019 23:55:31 GMT trabuco said:

It was in the newspaper. They were making plans to be together but suddenly Bonnie ran. Did she learn something about JJD? Something just aweful?

I wonder how they met?  I think it matters as to answers why and how they broke up.  The LA Times podcast (or whatever) should reveal some of that story line.   Well, I hope it does anyway.

[trabuco]

Broken dishes.

Detective Shelby gave the EAR a nickname "broken record" because every EAR attack he responded to was the same. Broken dishes, pre-tied shoelaces, cold.

[alexenjie]

Mar 2, 2019 23:55:31 GMT trabuco said:

It was in the newspaper. They were making plans to be together but suddenly Bonnie ran. Did she learn something about JJD? Something just aweful?

Yes, I believe he showed her his real self and she ran the opposite direction as fast as she could. It might have been that he wanted to tie her up and have sex or it could have been the horrible part of his personality or his awful temper but it was behavior that terrified her. Good for her that she paid attention to her instincts. I'm quite sure his current spouse wishes she had paid attention in their early years.

[samisdad]

Mar 2, 2019 23:55:31 GMT trabuco said:

It was in the newspaper. They were making plans to be together but suddenly Bonnie ran. Did she learn something about JJD? Something just aweful?

Whatever it was that she became aware of it was sufficient to drive her all the way to Europe. 

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I’ve found this interesting:

www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201203/are-you-having-identity-crisis

[samisdad]

Mar 3, 2019 19:49:59 GMT steelbike said:

I’ve found this interesting:

www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/fulfillment-any-age/201203/are-you-having-identity-crisis

The writer of this article is very much on point. Ericksonian Theory also gives a framework for timing of when and how in course of development a terrorfying event could have the most profound impact. Depending on type, duration, setting, etc.
The framework may even offer clues as to how an offender picks his victims.