JJD On this Board

[thetriplelindy]

Dec 21, 2019 23:14:29 GMT @bribri said:

The confusing part to me is how the law enforcement could have logged on to his account if his internet is down? There are problems with that because what if JJD, the guy that is so meticulous that he trims the grass around his rocks in his front lawn happened to have his his internet fixed prior to being arrested and forgot to take the note off the mirror he sees every morning, noon, and night (when he goes to pee or poop)?

JJD was a pretty old guy.  "Internet is down" could be interpreted many ways.  The most likely way, based on his age, is that a pretty basic fix may have been required.  The router could need to be rebooted.  Or maybe JJD didn't know how to do something fundamental, like connect to a home wifi network without the help of a daughter or granddaughter.  So, he could have put the note up and soon after, it was fixed, without JJD noticing to take the note down.

Another question someone more informed might answer is if law enforcement would even try to connect to a home network in the first place, or if they wouldn't set up their own network during the search for security. 

So, basically, the officers are arresting him near 5:00 and then they have something like 47 minutes to send in the officers that know computer stuff (because all arresting units have these kind of teams these days) to log on to a computer that, according to Holes, needed internet fixing? And then they logged on as CBK, because it wasn't illegal and would hurt the prosecution and because they had a search warrant and this would help the prosecution AND it helped to augment the prosecution's case against JJD to show that he was the threat that they were looking for (on a computer that needed internet fixing) even though they had the DNA collected that for sure identified him as the perp. 

Again, I'm not sure the internet needed fixing for the reasons above.  Also, this was a planned event to search and seize the property of the prime suspect in the most prolific series of rapes and murders in the history of the state of California.  I'm certain no one needed to be "sent" for.

In terms of taking evidence that's clearly spelled out in the search warrant to corroborate a case based on DNA evidence -- YES, of course they would.  That's the whole point of the search -- to find evidence that's in scope of the warrant that supports the case against the accused.  Do you think anyone would leave a third piece of evidence behind because they had two?  No way.  Seeing that the computer belonged to JJD and seeing that he closely followed the case under the user name "cbk" would only make for a stronger case.

[cleopatra]

"By 5 p.m. that day, DeAngelo was in custody. Despite Holes' concerns for what DeAngelo might do if confronted by police after all these years, Sacramento sheriff's detectives arrested him without incident." 

Tons of officers, probably even the  SWAT team, with rifles were at the door.  

When Holes went there, he was  alone.  No gun drawn.  No partner.  No backup.  JJD would have recognized him instantly.  The gigs up.... 

One man at JJD's door, and that man had been hunting JJD for over 20 years. Thay man was Holes.  It could have gone down pretty bad. 

JJD kept rifles and guns in his bedroom.  He was prepared.  Paul never rang his bell.  When the arresting officers rang his bell, JJD had absolutely no clue that the EAR had been identified.  
  
Priceless  =  the look on his face when he opened the door. 

[f1guyus]

As I understand it JJD was arrested outside his home by an arrest team posing as some guys who were seeking direction. I’m sure they had more than one arrest scenario and all of them involved taking him down with minimum risk to the arrest team and any civilians nearby.

[mtf65]

(around 1:18:00) Holes says: ...with that computer in that room, there's no question he's going online. On his bathroom mirror he had taped notes to himself and his oldest daughter and one of those notes had said, 'Internet is down, get it fixed now!!!,' and it was exclamation point exclamation point explanation point. I believe he's like now panicking because he can't follow the case because the internet is down and he's telling his daughter 'get this thing fixed.'

I wonder if with the three exclamation points he had three lines under the word now?

[cleopatra]

[cleopatra]

[faser41]

manintheboat did seem to be mocking the claim of his own endowment didn’t he? Or if not his own............

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Dec 22, 2019 8:03:39 GMT thetriplelindy said:

Again, I'm not sure the internet needed fixing for the reasons above.  Also, this was a planned event to search and seize the property of the prime suspect in the most prolific series of rapes and murders in the history of the state of California.  I'm certain no one needed to be "sent" for.

In terms of taking evidence that's clearly spelled out in the search warrant to corroborate a case based on DNA evidence -- YES, of course they would.  That's the whole point of the search -- to find evidence that's in scope of the warrant that supports the case against the accused.  Do you think anyone would leave a third piece of evidence behind because they had two?  No way.  Seeing that the computer belonged to JJD and seeing that he closely followed the case under the user name "cbk" would only make for a stronger case.

I did read the search warrant ( josephdeangelo.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/joseph-deangelo-redacted-search-warrant-final.pdf ) and I noticed that it was signed between 6:37 and 6:40 which is later than CBK logging in his final time. Would the arresting officers really take it upon themselves to search only one of CBK's monikers at the time of arrest without going thru the proper channels? Such a high profile case and all.

If the arresting officers did do the search and log in pre-warrant, that would explain why the towel was still covering the monitor (which Holes mentions also when he went in the house, but I don't think he was there for the arrest), as they were probably trying to make it look undisturbed.

[jb1510]

I  think LE were monitoring his internet as soon as the name came up and surveillance started .
It could even be why Deangelo’s home system was having problems, it may have made him more paranoid , fortunately if that was the case it didn’t affect the actual arrest . Maybe le were logging in at that time , someone would have been in place immediately for that 
purpose and effective in protection of privacy for Deangelos immediate family . 

[blablabla]

I still think that Holes put out the idea that the EARONS was a construction worker as a fake clue, knowing that if he was still alive the miscreant was monitoring all news about his infamous deeds. Lulling him into a false sense of security.

[jb1510]

Dec 22, 2019 18:00:17 GMT blablabla said:

I still think that Holes put out the idea that the EARONS was a construction worker as a fake clue, knowing that if he was still alive the miscreant was monitoring all news about his infamous deeds. Lulling him into a false sense of security.

I think the map detail swayed him at the time , there was a lot of emphasis on the detail of the map during the
documentaries airing prior to the arrest . If the recent Paul Holes stage presentation is to be believed ( can’t remember the name ) but where the Charles reference is mentioned . Holes states that Deangelo ended up in Construction somewhere between 79 and 89 
though it’s not known in what capacity or for how long , so it seems there is likely some truth in the construction angle .

[cleopatra]

JJD must hsve been sweating big tome when Holes was interviewed on T.V.  a few months prior to the arrest.

Holes said he believed the guy was living right in the Sac area, living in a nice house, married, had kids, and probanly served turkey on the fine Chinaware he stole from one of his victims.  Then the tv showed the chinaware.  Holes then said, "We have the guys DNA.  All we need now is to put a name and face to it."

[thetriplelindy]

Dec 22, 2019 15:24:55 GMT @bribri said:

I did read the search warrant ( josephdeangelo.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/joseph-deangelo-redacted-search-warrant-final.pdf ) and I noticed that it was signed between 6:37 and 6:40 which is later than CBK logging in his final time. Would the arresting officers really take it upon themselves to search only one of CBK's monikers at the time of arrest without going thru the proper channels? Such a high profile case and all.

If the arresting officers did do the search and log in pre-warrant, that would explain why the towel was still covering the monitor (which Holes mentions also when he went in the house, but I don't think he was there for the arrest), as they were probably trying to make it look undisturbed.

Those are all good points.  I didn't catch the signature time and it made me question the timeline of how the search took place.  I don't know.  You could be right.  

The way I understand it, though (as a layperson without legal expertise), is that a search warrant isn't required if the search is pursuant to an arrest.  You see that type of thing all the time -- an officer arrests someone for being intoxicated and can immediately search through their pockets looking for drugs based on the arrest and suspicion.  No search warrant needed in those cases.  That being said, law enforcement may have thought the best course of action in this case was to go through the proper channels and to document such a complex search of a high profile suspect's entire home with a warrant to cover all basis that evidence introduced during the trial wasn't found to be unlawfully seized.  Or, they may have had the warrant in place in the way far off chance that charges weren't ultimately brought against JJD, in order to protect what they learn from searching the scene to help build a case at a later date.

All of that doesn't mean that officers weren't necessarily on JJD's property looking through his belongings in that first hour after his arrest without the warrant being signed.  I believe the probable cause of the arrest may have been enough to start the search, but officers may not have officially seized anything until the warrant was in place after 6:40PM.  Who knows -- this is definitely stuff I'm not very informed about and only speculating.  

There's also the possibility that JJD's family let the property be searched and that they were cooperating with police immediately after the arrest.  Again, I could be wrong, but I don't remember hearing anything that indicated that wasn't the case.

[johnnyhands1]

Dec 22, 2019 15:24:55 GMT @bribri said:

Dec 22, 2019 8:03:39 GMT thetriplelindy said:

Again, I'm not sure the internet needed fixing for the reasons above.  Also, this was a planned event to search and seize the property of the prime suspect in the most prolific series of rapes and murders in the history of the state of California.  I'm certain no one needed to be "sent" for.

In terms of taking evidence that's clearly spelled out in the search warrant to corroborate a case based on DNA evidence -- YES, of course they would.  That's the whole point of the search -- to find evidence that's in scope of the warrant that supports the case against the accused.  Do you think anyone would leave a third piece of evidence behind because they had two?  No way.  Seeing that the computer belonged to JJD and seeing that he closely followed the case under the user name "cbk" would only make for a stronger case.

I did read the search warrant ( josephdeangelo.files.wordpress.com/2018/06/joseph-deangelo-redacted-search-warrant-final.pdf ) and I noticed that it was signed between 6:37 and 6:40 which is later than CBK logging in his final time. Would the arresting officers really take it upon themselves to search only one of CBK's monikers at the time of arrest without going thru the proper channels? Such a high profile case and all.

If the arresting officers did do the search and log in pre-warrant, that would explain why the towel was still covering the monitor (which Holes mentions also when he went in the house, but I don't think he was there for the arrest), as they were probably trying to make it look undisturbed.

Good catch, bribri!

The signature and times are on page 5 of the search warrant you linked to above.

So without some further explanation, based on the later-than-5:47pm warrant signature times, it appears my 5:47pm log-off theory (search team used speedy hi-tech to get copies of the hard-drive and RAM, then shut down the computer) couldn't be true.

If, somehow, there is a further explanation - and it indeed was the police search team that logged off JJD's computer at 5:47pm, this seems like the kind of thing that would be brought up by the defense to try to invalidate any evidence seized by that search team.  Agreed, you'd think the search team wouldn't make that kind of mistake.

EDIT: a too-soon search that invalidated search evidence in this case would be the technicality of the century.   Could it be there was an earlier version of the warrant, say, that wasn't redacted, used to start the search earlier? Note the document file name in your post has the phrase "search-warrant-final" in it (does that mean there was an earlier version used by LE, or is that name just put there by the owner of the Deangelo wordpress site - for whatever unimportant reason?)

LATER EDIT: forgot to mention, the 5:47pm time was in regard to cbk's (Deangelo's?) last log-off time, and whether it could possibly have happened soon after the arrest - by police officers shutting down his computer after extracting all the data they needed from it.

[Horizon]

www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nlTyspZ1RA

At 5:19 Paul Holes says "Yes, I think we are getting close". This was in early 2018