Upcoming JJD Hearing on January 22, 2020, at 1:35 p.m.

[Red909XMZ1]

Jan 16, 2020 0:22:40 GMT johnnyhands1 said:

Jan 15, 2020 7:42:20 GMT paulienyc84 said:

In my opinion, I don't think JJD is starving himself in the hopes of dying. His lifestyle has drastically changed for the worse. He lived for 72 years as a free man. He knows that with all of these charges and the DNA evidence, he will never be a free man again. I truly believe that he thought, at this stage in his life, LE would never identify him. Therefore, no one will ever know he was behind these evil, sick actions. I think he was legitimately shocked when he was arrested. I don't think he ever thought it would happen, especially after decades passed and he wasn't caught. Now, everyone in his life knows who he really is. He can't hide anymore. People are searching his past and his secrets are slowly being revealed. I think he is humiliated that all of these crimes are linked to him. There is no doubt about who and what he is. I think that all of that has taken a tremendous toll on him. How could it not?

Also, we know JJD ate a lot of junk food and drank a lot of beer. His diet and foot intake has also drastically changed. If a family member or friend isn't putting money on his commissary then he is only getting his three meals a day. It's only natural to expect that he would lose a lot of weight from the drastic change in his food intake. And when you add stress and depression he's feeling, it's no wonder he looks the way he does.

I think that if he was truly starving himself, he wouldn't be able to function. During his court appearances, he is able to walk in on his own and stand up without any assistance. He is able to listen and understand what people are saying and he can even talk with his attorneys. If he were truly dying of starvation, I don't think he'd be able to do all that.

I suspect that his attorney's will ask for more time to review the evidence and they will set another court date for the summer. It's frustrating but at least he is behind bars and living a miserable life.

I wonder if he's asked the public defender team to arrange for him to get some money from his bank account into his commissary account - and they said, no we can't do that for you - for that you'll need to hire your own attorney :-)

Yes, Johnny, we can only hope that is what he was told...lol.

I have a distinct feeling, though, that he would still have access to his funds through a family member or other representative.

From what I understand, a defendant is initially required to submit financial information to the court regarding their financial status. If they are allowed a public defender, once a trial has ended, then court costs are assessed along with the current financial records of the defendant, who has been represented by the public defender. The defendant is then informed what their individual financial contribution will be, based on a sliding scale fee.

Now, this is only my understanding of what transpires based on what I have read and heard.

I could be very wrong, so if anyone knows any different, please elaborate. Thank you.

[spodey]

My new theory:

JJD is making himself sick enough to not have to go to trial in person (or perhaps die in advance of the trial).   

I have read that if a person under arrest who is too sick to attend his own trial can be "tried on video" where a judge allows cameras to be set up focused on the alleged offender and the prosecution grills the offender and then the defense goes to work....all on video and away from the gallery of relatives, victims and his own family. Then the case is decided.  

That is what I think JJD's game plan is.  "Stall for a video trial."

Note:  I am not a lawyer but I can wear bright red polyester golf pants with a white belt and pink polo shirt on a golf course like one.

[johnnyhands1]

Jan 6, 2020 22:04:01 GMT thrax said:

Jan 6, 2020 21:59:48 GMT johnnyhands1 said:

Anyone know about the law with regard to force-feeding hunger striking inmates?

Apparently they can't force-feed an inmate on a hunger strike unless they determine that it's detrimental to order in that institution, and a danger to the safety of others.

Here's a snippet from an article about EAR victim Victor Hayes regarding Sac Sheriff's official position on JJD's weight loss:

"The Sacramento Sheriff’s Department told Inside Edition that it cannot comment on specifics of an inmate's health, but said they would not allow someone to starve themselves. Inmates believed to be intentionally starving themselves would be treated in their medical facility, officials said."

www.insideedition.com/alleged-victim-of-golden-state-killer-believes-there-was-a-police-cover-up-during-original-57946

[vaden]

Jan 16, 2020 0:22:40 GMT johnnyhands1 said:

Jan 15, 2020 7:42:20 GMT paulienyc84 said:

In my opinion, I don't think JJD is starving himself in the hopes of dying. His lifestyle has drastically changed for the worse. He lived for 72 years as a free man. He knows that with all of these charges and the DNA evidence, he will never be a free man again. I truly believe that he thought, at this stage in his life, LE would never identify him. Therefore, no one will ever know he was behind these evil, sick actions. I think he was legitimately shocked when he was arrested. I don't think he ever thought it would happen, especially after decades passed and he wasn't caught. Now, everyone in his life knows who he really is. He can't hide anymore. People are searching his past and his secrets are slowly being revealed. I think he is humiliated that all of these crimes are linked to him. There is no doubt about who and what he is. I think that all of that has taken a tremendous toll on him. How could it not?

Also, we know JJD ate a lot of junk food and drank a lot of beer. His diet and foot intake has also drastically changed. If a family member or friend isn't putting money on his commissary then he is only getting his three meals a day. It's only natural to expect that he would lose a lot of weight from the drastic change in his food intake. And when you add stress and depression he's feeling, it's no wonder he looks the way he does.

I think that if he was truly starving himself, he wouldn't be able to function. During his court appearances, he is able to walk in on his own and stand up without any assistance. He is able to listen and understand what people are saying and he can even talk with his attorneys. If he were truly dying of starvation, I don't think he'd be able to do all that.

I suspect that his attorney's will ask for more time to review the evidence and they will set another court date for the summer. It's frustrating but at least he is behind bars and living a miserable life.

I wonder if he's asked the public defender team to arrange for him to get some money from his bank account into his commissary account - and they said, no we can't do that for you - for that you'll need to hire your own attorney :-)

I was thinking the same thing until I read an article yesterday that said JJD was down to 135 lbs from 205 lbs. His organs will start to shut down if he loses much more weight. I hope to hell that he doesn't croak before he spills his guts, or at least is brought to trial and found guilty. Here's to hoping anyways.

[Red909XMZ1]

It would not surprise me if he shows up in a wheelchair again this Wednesday, like his first court appearance.

The only difference is that this time he would not be faking it.

I speculate he may be getting to the point of weakness due to his enormous weight loss.

[Crimson]

Despite some of Reddits finest doctors saying he's never looked better,

I disagree. DeAngelo is emaciated with a broken spirit, but his

willpower, I surmise will keep him inflexibly obstinate. He will never

even admit to partial complicity. He knows the secrets, secrets he keeps are detrimental to his victim's peace of mind,and leaving them at the mercy of speculation, is the radical psycho 's refuge.

[Red909XMZ1]

Jan 19, 2020 12:59:43 GMT Crimson said:

Despite some of Reddits finest doctors saying he's never looked better,

I disagree. DeAngelo is emaciated with a broken spirit, but his

willpower, I surmise will keep him inflexibly obstinate. He will never

even admit to partial complicity. He knows the secrets, secrets he keeps are detrimental to his victim's peace of mind,and leaving them at the mercy of speculation, is the radical psycho 's refuge.

Yes, Rusty, I definitely agree with your perspective on JJD.

Your immensely thoughtful, lyrical prose is like sweet, soothing music to my ears on a dreary, blurry day.

This radical psycho's refuge (as you so astutely referenced it) appears to be his last stand in his lifetime reign of terror.

I speculate, like you, that he is indeed inflexibly obstinate and will take to his impending grave his diabolical crimes.

I believe this sadistic monster desires to have ultimate control to the grizzly, bitter end, even being in charge of the timeline of his own death, as exhibited by his ghoulish, gray-faced, weight loss.

Whether he is standing or sitting on Wednesday, one thing is for sure, this monster will never experience the glorious freedom of California sunshine anytime he so desires upon his wretched, withering face - outside of the walls of his dark, dank prison cell - ever again.

I am sure that this fact, alone, is eating him alive.

[Crimson]

Hi 909XMZ1!

I'm sure criminal head doctors are using all manners of techniques and tricks to make this fast fading husk of a human more amenable to their appeals, but he being essentially self interested renders that null and ultimately ensures he remains defiantly immune to psychological manipulation.

If he has yet to admit to his crimes, he may still see a glimmer of hope in his daughter's eyes that their father is not the monster he is professed to be. His incentive to continue proclaiming his innocence is much stronger than coming clean and seeing that glimmer of hope in his daughter's eyes fade forever. IMO.

[blablabla]

I predict Joey will come clean and plead guilty at the Tuesday hearing.

But then, I also predicted that the EAR would turn out to be a paper boy. Before that, I predicted the EAR would turn out to be a train tramp.

[Crimson]

Jan 20, 2020 13:48:39 GMT blablabla said:

I predict Joey will come clean and plead guilty at the Tuesday hearing.

But then, I also predicted that the EAR would turn out to be a paper boy. Before that, I predicted the EAR would turn out to be a train tramp.

Being overtaken and strapped to a chair by a couple of store clerks and later turned into a bellyaching canary by a head-butting frenchman bespeaks much of DeAngelo's cowardice and incompetency when not suddenly rousing sleeping couples with flash light, gun, and death threats in some strange 12-years old voice at 2:00 am.

Pleading guilty doesn't allow him to escape the wrath of surviors carrying with them 40-years of acrimonious pent up frustrations, and some of whom will likely lose control in that moment they've waited all their lives for-The moment DeAngelo fears the most.

Look into the eyes of Victor Hayes.

No guilty plea. IMO

[blablabla]

Jan 20, 2020 14:41:05 GMT Crimson said:

Jan 20, 2020 13:48:39 GMT blablabla said:

I predict Joey will come clean and plead guilty at the Tuesday hearing.

But then, I also predicted that the EAR would turn out to be a paper boy. Before that, I predicted the EAR would turn out to be a train tramp.

Being overtaken and strapped to a chair by a couple of store clerks and later turned into a bellyaching canary by a head-butting frenchman bespeaks much of DeAngelo's cowardice and incompetency when not suddenly rousing sleeping couples with flash light, gun, and death threats in some strange 12-years old voice at 2:00 am.

Pleading guilty doesn't allow him to escape the wrath of surviors carrying with them 40-years of acrimonious pent up frustrations, and some of whom will likely loose control in that moment they've waited all their lives for-The moment DeAngelo fears the most.

Look into the eyes of Victor Hayes.

No guilty plea. IMO

So most people believe that he is actually trying to starve himself to death? So he won't have to go to trial and face the victims' families? 

If he just pleads guilty the trial will be a lot shorter, wouldn't it?

Of course if he succeeds in dying of starvation he won't have to go to trial at all, probably.

[Red909XMZ1]

Jan 20, 2020 5:39:42 GMT Crimson said:

Hi 909XMZ1!

I'm sure criminal head doctors are using all manners of techniques and tricks to make this fast fading husk of a human more amenable to their appeals, but he being essentially self interested renders that null and ultimately ensures he remains defiantly immune to psychological manipulation.

If he has yet to admit to his crimes, he may still see a glimmer of hope in his daughter's eyes that their father is not the monster he is professed to be. His incentive to continue proclaiming his innocence is much stronger than coming clean and seeing that glimmer of hope in his daughter's eyes fade forever. IMO.

Absolutely, Rusty.

How could I be so remiss in not pointing out how vitally important it would be - even for such a monster - to still witness a glimmer of hope in his daughters' eyes?

His significant weight loss possibly is two-fold: a self-inflicted measure of evading responsibility and culpability for his heinous crimes, and a quick, escapist's route to a certain death that would forever be guiltless in his precious daughters' eyes.

[johnnyhands1]

Jan 20, 2020 15:19:05 GMT Red909XMZ1 said:

Jan 20, 2020 5:39:42 GMT Crimson said:

Hi 909XMZ1!

I'm sure criminal head doctors are using all manners of techniques and tricks to make this fast fading husk of a human more amenable to their appeals, but he being essentially self interested renders that null and ultimately ensures he remains defiantly immune to psychological manipulation.

If he has yet to admit to his crimes, he may still see a glimmer of hope in his daughter's eyes that their father is not the monster he is professed to be. His incentive to continue proclaiming his innocence is much stronger than coming clean and seeing that glimmer of hope in his daughter's eyes fade forever. IMO.

Absolutely, Rusty.

How could I be so remiss in not pointing out how vitally important it would be - even for such a monster - to still witness a glimmer of hope in his daughters' eyes?

His significant weight loss possibly is two-fold: a self-inflicted measure of evading responsibility and culpability for his heinous crimes, and a quick, escapist's route to a certain death that would forever be guiltless in his precious daughters' eyes.

On subject of the daughters' hopes of innocence, we know at least one daughter is a doctor, which means her education, for sure, had some calculus/statistics and maybe some genetics/molecular biology included (according to some googling I did).  So the daughter has an educated feel for the odds of six or seven crimes' DNA exactly matching her father's but somehow being a mistake - approaching mathematically impossible and mega-extremely low.  And I wouldn't be surprised if that daughter had discussed this probability with the less math/science-educated family members.

That said, I'll be interested in what the defense's DNA expert (the British-accented male lawyer we saw at the early hearings) comes up with to make the case that it was a mistake - and I'm reading a book called, "Inside the Cell: the Dark Side of Forensic DNA" which will give me a better idea about all of that.  Can't wait for the preliminary hearings.

[blablabla]

Tomorrow is the big day. Will it be televised?

[htx]

Jan 20, 2020 14:56:42 GMT blablabla said:

Jan 20, 2020 14:41:05 GMT Crimson said:

Being overtaken and strapped to a chair by a couple of store clerks and later turned into a bellyaching canary by a head-butting frenchman bespeaks much of DeAngelo's cowardice and incompetency when not suddenly rousing sleeping couples with flash light, gun, and death threats in some strange 12-years old voice at 2:00 am.

Pleading guilty doesn't allow him to escape the wrath of surviors carrying with them 40-years of acrimonious pent up frustrations, and some of whom will likely loose control in that moment they've waited all their lives for-The moment DeAngelo fears the most.

Look into the eyes of Victor Hayes.

No guilty plea. IMO

So most people believe that he is actually trying to starve himself to death? So he won't have to go to trial and face the victims' families? 

If he just pleads guilty the trial will be a lot shorter, wouldn't it?

Of course if he succeeds in dying of starvation he won't have to go to trial at all, probably.

There wouldn't be a trial if he pleads guilty. That said, he would have to describe in open court what he did.  He can't simply say "I did it, I'm guilty," and have that be the end of it. He'd have to admit to certain details, to some extent. And there could be some lengthier hearings around sentencing.