Criminology Podcast : James Huddle, July 4 2020

[magnumforce73]

Jul 7, 2020 12:21:07 GMT V said:

With all due respect, the family and friends of JJD are not victims. The victims are the victims. I feel for his family, they have my sympathy. But it's nothing compared to the true victims of these crimes, those raped, murdered and assaulted by JJD. I don't like putting his family in the same category. They are not victims. They can still have our sympathy for being put in such a terrible position, but lets not call them victims.

V , I agree with the basic premise of your post (I did upvote you, for what it's worth); however, I think winters and elir do make a valid point about J.J.D.'s relatives and friends: none of these people expected their lives to take the twist they did with the arrest in April 2018. I think it was @elfinears who said it best--"emotions are high" (paraphrasing). I give all credit to J.H.--I admit: I was skeptical of him, but after listening to the podcast he did with morf13 , I really respect him and appreciate him for doing it. He came across to me as "real," or "genuine," and that's what I was looking for more than anything else.

Which leads me to the flip side of the coin--his relative who posts here. I agree with recent posts written emphasizing the need for understanding and tolerance with regard to how these crimes affect different people; however, I didn't see bassman3232 extending that same courtesy the way of other posters. Commentary like "he [J.H] doesn't know $hit" and some of the other corybantic musings do not constitute discussion, especially when nothing of substance is offered in substitution to such a charge. In fact, that behavior reminded me of something I remember reading at reddit--a troll cesspool generally, but occasionally yielding a nugget here and there--about J.J.D. having "nephews" who post regularly on social media, and that they were prone to bullying people or ideas with which they disagreed. It seems that that reddit post has merit to it. This individual has every right to post here, and I don't think anyone is disputing this; however, this individual should understand that there are many dynamics at play here, and it's absolutely awful that he's going through the time he's going through on account of his uncle's crimes.  Be that as it may, his uncle has admitted to guilt, and D.N.A. proves that his uncle is in fact the horrific person who did these things. I'll be the first to admit: this place can get heated at times, and that's why it's good to walk away from it from time to time.  I would point this person in the direction of a nice post that faser41 wrote regarding how to navigate the (sometimes) crazy universe that is the EAR/ONS PB board.

mf73

[V]

Jul 7, 2020 14:39:14 GMT magnumforce73 said:

Jul 7, 2020 12:21:07 GMT V said:

With all due respect, the family and friends of JJD are not victims. The victims are the victims. I feel for his family, they have my sympathy. But it's nothing compared to the true victims of these crimes, those raped, murdered and assaulted by JJD. I don't like putting his family in the same category. They are not victims. They can still have our sympathy for being put in such a terrible position, but lets not call them victims.

V , I agree with the basic premise of your post (I did upvote you, for what it's worth); however, I think winters and elir do make a valid point about J.J.D.'s relatives and friends: none of these people expected their lives to take the twist they did with the arrest in April 2018. I think it was @elfinears who said it best--"emotions are high" (paraphrasing). I give all credit to J.H.--I admit: I was skeptical of him, but after listening to the podcast he did with morf13 , I really respect him and appreciate him for doing it. He came across to me as "real," or "genuine," and that's what I was looking for more than anything else.

Which leads me to the flip side of the coin--his relative who posts here. I agree with recent posts written emphasizing the need for understanding and tolerance with regard to how these crimes affect different people; however, I didn't see bassman3232 extending that same courtesy the way of other posters. Commentary like "he [J.H] doesn't know $hit" and some of the other corybantic musings do not constitute discussion, especially when nothing of substance is offered in substitution to such a charge. In fact, that behavior reminded me of something I remember reading at reddit--a troll cesspool generally, but occasionally yielding a nugget here and there--about J.J.D. having "nephews" who post regularly on social media, and that they were prone to bullying people or ideas with which they disagreed. It seems that that reddit post has merit to it. This individual has every right to post here, and I don't think anyone is disputing this; however, this individual should understand that there are many dynamics at play here, and it's absolutely awful that he's going through the time he's going through on account of his uncle's crimes.  Be that as it may, his uncle has admitted to guilt, and D.N.A. proves that his uncle is in fact the horrific person who did these things. I'll be the first to admit: this place can get heated at times, and that's why it's good to walk away from it from time to time.  I would point this person in the direction of a nice post that faser41 wrote regarding how to navigate the (sometimes) crazy universe that is the EAR/ONS PB board.

mf73

Yea I get it and that's why I made sure to stress that I do have sympathy for them and would not wish that sort of grief on anyone. I can only imagine how shocking that would be. I just think calling them victims isn't right. 

[otis1]

Jul 7, 2020 14:39:14 GMT magnumforce73 said:

Jul 7, 2020 12:21:07 GMT V said:

With all due respect, the family and friends of JJD are not victims. The victims are the victims. I feel for his family, they have my sympathy. But it's nothing compared to the true victims of these crimes, those raped, murdered and assaulted by JJD. I don't like putting his family in the same category. They are not victims. They can still have our sympathy for being put in such a terrible position, but lets not call them victims.

V , I agree with the basic premise of your post (I did upvote you, for what it's worth); however, I think winters and elir do make a valid point about J.J.D.'s relatives and friends: none of these people expected their lives to take the twist they did with the arrest in April 2018. I think it was @elfinears who said it best--"emotions are high" (paraphrasing). I give all credit to J.H.--I admit: I was skeptical of him, but after listening to the podcast he did with morf13 , I really respect him and appreciate him for doing it. He came across to me as "real," or "genuine," and that's what I was looking for more than anything else.

Which leads me to the flip side of the coin--his relative who posts here. I agree with recent posts written emphasizing the need for understanding and tolerance with regard to how these crimes affect different people; however, I didn't see bassman3232 extending that same courtesy the way of other posters. Commentary like "he [J.H] doesn't know $hit" and some of the other corybantic musings do not constitute discussion, especially when nothing of substance is offered in substitution to such a charge. In fact, that behavior reminded me of something I remember reading at reddit--a troll cesspool generally, but occasionally yielding a nugget here and there--about J.J.D. having "nephews" who post regularly on social media, and that they were prone to bullying people or ideas with which they disagreed. It seems that that reddit post has merit to it. This individual has every right to post here, and I don't think anyone is disputing this; however, this individual should understand that there are many dynamics at play here, and it's absolutely awful that he's going through the time he's going through on account of his uncle's crimes.  Be that as it may, his uncle has admitted to guilt, and D.N.A. proves that his uncle is in fact the horrific person who did these things. I'll be the first to admit: this place can get heated at times, and that's why it's good to walk away from it from time to time.  I would point this person in the direction of a nice post that faser41 wrote regarding how to navigate the (sometimes) crazy universe that is the EAR/ONS PB board.

mf73

I agree with every single thing you've written with one tiny exception - that being that the someone is "going through" something awful. It's clear that the person in question is enjoying their one shot at notoriety in life despite having nothing to share because they know nothing. But that's just my opinion.

More important:
It's imperative that your use of the word "corybantic" be highlighted. lmao! If I could give a 2nd 'like', this time for vocabulary- I would do so with a joy!

[goldrusher]

Jul 7, 2020 15:20:05 GMT otis1 said:

Jul 7, 2020 14:39:14 GMT magnumforce73 said:

V , I agree with the basic premise of your post (I did upvote you, for what it's worth); however, I think winters and elir do make a valid point about J.J.D.'s relatives and friends: none of these people expected their lives to take the twist they did with the arrest in April 2018. I think it was @elfinears who said it best--"emotions are high" (paraphrasing). I give all credit to J.H.--I admit: I was skeptical of him, but after listening to the podcast he did with morf13 , I really respect him and appreciate him for doing it. He came across to me as "real," or "genuine," and that's what I was looking for more than anything else.

Which leads me to the flip side of the coin--his relative who posts here. I agree with recent posts written emphasizing the need for understanding and tolerance with regard to how these crimes affect different people; however, I didn't see bassman3232 extending that same courtesy the way of other posters. Commentary like "he [J.H] doesn't know $hit" and some of the other corybantic musings do not constitute discussion, especially when nothing of substance is offered in substitution to such a charge. In fact, that behavior reminded me of something I remember reading at reddit--a troll cesspool generally, but occasionally yielding a nugget here and there--about J.J.D. having "nephews" who post regularly on social media, and that they were prone to bullying people or ideas with which they disagreed. It seems that that reddit post has merit to it. This individual has every right to post here, and I don't think anyone is disputing this; however, this individual should understand that there are many dynamics at play here, and it's absolutely awful that he's going through the time he's going through on account of his uncle's crimes.  Be that as it may, his uncle has admitted to guilt, and D.N.A. proves that his uncle is in fact the horrific person who did these things. I'll be the first to admit: this place can get heated at times, and that's why it's good to walk away from it from time to time.  I would point this person in the direction of a nice post that faser41 wrote regarding how to navigate the (sometimes) crazy universe that is the EAR/ONS PB board.

mf73

I agree with every single thing you've written with one tiny exception - that being that the someone is "going through" something awful. It's clear that the person in question is enjoying their one shot at notoriety in life despite having nothing to share because they know nothing. But that's just my opinion.

More important:
It's imperative that your use of the word "corybantic" be highlighted. lmao! If I could give a 2nd 'like', this time for vocabulary- I would do so with a joy!

Corybantic -- I'll go with that being "word of the day"...maybe the whole week, hell. 

[magnumforce73]

Jul 7, 2020 15:20:05 GMT otis1 said:

Jul 7, 2020 14:39:14 GMT magnumforce73 said:

V , I agree with the basic premise of your post (I did upvote you, for what it's worth); however, I think winters and elir do make a valid point about J.J.D.'s relatives and friends: none of these people expected their lives to take the twist they did with the arrest in April 2018. I think it was @elfinears who said it best--"emotions are high" (paraphrasing). I give all credit to J.H.--I admit: I was skeptical of him, but after listening to the podcast he did with morf13 , I really respect him and appreciate him for doing it. He came across to me as "real," or "genuine," and that's what I was looking for more than anything else.

Which leads me to the flip side of the coin--his relative who posts here. I agree with recent posts written emphasizing the need for understanding and tolerance with regard to how these crimes affect different people; however, I didn't see bassman3232 extending that same courtesy the way of other posters. Commentary like "he [J.H] doesn't know $hit" and some of the other corybantic musings do not constitute discussion, especially when nothing of substance is offered in substitution to such a charge. In fact, that behavior reminded me of something I remember reading at reddit--a troll cesspool generally, but occasionally yielding a nugget here and there--about J.J.D. having "nephews" who post regularly on social media, and that they were prone to bullying people or ideas with which they disagreed. It seems that that reddit post has merit to it. This individual has every right to post here, and I don't think anyone is disputing this; however, this individual should understand that there are many dynamics at play here, and it's absolutely awful that he's going through the time he's going through on account of his uncle's crimes.  Be that as it may, his uncle has admitted to guilt, and D.N.A. proves that his uncle is in fact the horrific person who did these things. I'll be the first to admit: this place can get heated at times, and that's why it's good to walk away from it from time to time.  I would point this person in the direction of a nice post that faser41 wrote regarding how to navigate the (sometimes) crazy universe that is the EAR/ONS PB board.

mf73

I agree with every single thing you've written with one tiny exception - that being that the someone is "going through" something awful. It's clear that the person in question is enjoying their one shot at notoriety in life despite having nothing to share because they know nothing. But that's just my opinion.

More important:
It's imperative that your use of the word "corybantic" be highlighted. lmao! If I could give a 2nd 'like', this time for vocabulary- I would do so with a joy!

I want to give to give people the benefit of the doubt, otis1--sincerely, I do. Unfortunately, in this instance, I tend to see it your way as well based on the behavior.

I just happened to see that word someplace recently, and I liked it so much I made it a point to remember it.

mf73

[otis1]

Jul 7, 2020 13:47:09 GMT cleopatra said:

Jul 7, 2020 12:39:31 GMT wisertime said:

If the house was intended to go to one of the daughters or the proceeds of its sale was to be divided between his daughters, I don't know what the point would be to try and go after the house for the victims' sake. Is depriving JJD's daughter(s) of that the right thing to do?

Speaking for myself, it's a tough call.  However, JJD worked to pay for that house and sonirvwascamd is his house.  It does not belong to them as long as he is alive.  

JJD will utilize his assets to make his life in prison more bearable. He can use his money to bribe prison workers (and there are always workers hard up for cash), to buy food (junkfood Jow will relish in this), buy all kinds of stuff, etc.  He may now be in prison, but he already  "lived a good life" for the past 45 years, unlike te couples who he murdered.  

it's not about his daughters and what might rightfully theirs one day.  It's about JJD and his victims.  Any asset
 that is legally his, including the house, should be gone  after, as long as he is still alive.

The house is already gone. It was sold under the name of the granddaughter, who had just turned 18, as part of the divorce settlement.

Also conveniently gone is the monster's pension. That went to his long-time wife who uncannily had the good luck not to divorce him for nearly THREE DECADES, despite being a divorce lawyer. Talk about great luck!  

It's almost as if the monster had some sort of legal advice, perhaps by a divorce attorney, (hmmm), that there should never be divorce unless absolutely necessary to protect a pension and asset, (hmmm).

Just think - if there had been a divorce nearly THREE DECADES ago when the separation took place, the ex would have had no claim to the pension. It would now be available to survivors. It's almost as if an experienced divorce attorney had amazing clairvoyance THREE DECADES ago that there might be a need to protect assets from civil suits. (hmmm).

All just conjecture and opinion of course. 

[casesolved]

Jul 6, 2020 8:12:56 GMT bassman3232 said:

Just listened to the interview with JH. He is so full of s--t.All the time I was around Joe. All the years I had seen Jim two times. Big deal he brake checked some guy and pulled a gun. Over and over again he would say I DON'T KNOW or I THINK or I PROBABLY. Everything same thing I HEARD or I READ . I can prove that he has no ideal about some things that he claims he does. He contradicts himself when he stated he hadn't talked to Joe for ten years and then he said he was still talking to him up until he was arrested. Just not much. This guy doing nothing more than looking for 5 second's of fame.why would they do an interview with someone that couldn't answer questions that they had asked. These guys think that was a good interview. He has no ideal who Joe is other then the basics that everybody knows.

Who is Joe? How would you explain Joe?

[elir]

Here’s the thing.

We aren’t going to tolerate attacks on relatives who have not been charged with anything.

We will not stand for you taking the moderator’s posts, which urge people to back off , and then use it as a stepping off point to continue to have a go at people.

It is one thing to disagree with a person but this goes beyond that . Knock it off . Now.

[wisertime]

Jul 7, 2020 13:40:24 GMT otis1 said:

Jul 7, 2020 12:41:03 GMT wisertime said:

IMO, that bit should have been bleeped over. That was a pretty crass thing to say about a victim.

I didn't think it was crass at all.

James Huddle isn't an erudite, Ivy League educated commentator or slick, polished titan of business. He's just a regular middle class - lower middle class retired guy who isn't fancy and hasn't honed cocktail party conversation skills. I know it's often uncomfortable for some to hear regular folk outside the bubble of big city elites talk, but he spoke in a true and honest fashion using the language he knows.

He came across as a decent guy who's horrified at all he's learned. He didn't pretend to be someone he's not, didn't pretend to be 'above his station' and I never heard him try to give information beyond his personal interaction with his (seemingly) boring & relatively uninteresting brother in law.

I thought the interview was very good and thankfully free of the "I know more but can't tell you" BS.

I liked the interview and I agree with your impressions of Jim. But his words in that example were a bit cavalier and insensitive, even if he didn't intend for them to be. It sounds like something that slipped out and I think it would be have considerate of the victims and Jim for morf to have bleeped that part out.

[wisertime]

Jul 7, 2020 13:47:09 GMT cleopatra said:

Jul 7, 2020 12:39:31 GMT wisertime said:

If the house was intended to go to one of the daughters or the proceeds of its sale was to be divided between his daughters, I don't know what the point would be to try and go after the house for the victims' sake. Is depriving JJD's daughter(s) of that the right thing to do?

Speaking for myself, it's a tough call.  However, JJD worked to pay for that house and sonirvwascamd is his house.  It does not belong to them as long as he is alive.  

JJD will utilize his assets to make his life in prison more bearable. He can use his money to bribe prison workers (and there are always workers hard up for cash), to buy food (junkfood Jow will relish in this), buy all kinds of stuff, etc.  He may now be in prison, but he already  "lived a good life" for the past 45 years, unlike te couples who he murdered.  

it's not about his daughters and what might rightfully theirs one day.  It's about JJD and his victims.  Any asset
 that is legally his, including the house, should be gone  after, as long as he is still alive.

I wonder if he'd be able to access that $. I would think that whatever money and assets Sharon got from him in the divorce, she wouldn't share with him. I'm curious as to what $ and assets he has in his name. Hopefully none, so he wants to Twinkies or whatnot, he has to "earn it" with his mouth or his *ss.

Didn't they already sell the Citrus Heights house? Or had the daughter only moved out?

[cluso]

Jul 7, 2020 12:21:07 GMT V said:

With all due respect, the family and friends of JJD are not victims. The victims are the victims. I feel for his family, they have my sympathy. But it's nothing compared to the true victims of these crimes, those raped, murdered and assaulted by JJD. I don't like putting his family in the same category. They are not victims. They can still have our sympathy for being put in such a terrible position, but lets not call them victims.

I understand your position 100% but for his daughters to learn all their life was a lie, their life will never be the same, they will be haunted by his crimes and lies, their pain is not comparable to the pain and the extent of the trauma the victims of his crimes and their families went and are still going through. But they are side victims of his crimes

[pod]

Jul 7, 2020 2:28:59 GMT murderinc said:

Jul 7, 2020 1:22:00 GMT morf13 said:

Thanks for listening all, hope it provided some new insights. Obviously, a smoking gun reveal would have been interesting, but I think this shows what kind of actor JD was. What I want to know, is now it seems that he had even less time to commit his crimes. Job, Family, hanging out with Brother in law, flying model planes, had to sleep a few hours a day minimum. When the hell did he find all the time for the prowling, stalking, pre attack phone calle, post attack phone calls, pre attack trips into people's homes, etc Head scratcher

morf why not ask Jim about the March 29 1979 murder in Lodi? Ask if Joe and Jim ever ate at Sambo's where Caroline Schneider worked? how about August 13 1981 and the Penny Coyle murder? The Roadhouse? Nov 20 1981 Nina Wilkerson? Bishop Cut? What about the date of the Amspacker murder in Carson City near where Jim Huddle lived? the address of the apartment they shared in Citrus Heights? Where they lived together during the Cat series? 

That mention of an apt. was tantalising. I'd love to know its location too. As you say, DeAngelo must have moved in right around the time of the Cordova Cat.

[cleopatra]

I have never known what to make of bassman. 

First time I saw Bassman here on this board is when he commented on the post-arrest picture of JJD wearing shorts and a white t-shirt, cuffed to a chair in an interrogation room. 

Bassman insisted it was not JJD.  Posters were arguing about it.  Then, someone (may have been a moderator) said the man in the pic was of JJD. That Holes (or another detective) took it and texted it to one of the victims.  Yet, Bassman continued to insist that he knew JJD and the man in the photo wasn't JJD.

Now that JJD has been convicted and Bassman is free to reveal all he knows, he exits for good. Before leaving, Bassman says for anyone to feel free to ask him questions on his Facebook account, but does not leave a link to his page and signs off as Brad "Thompson", which means he must be the son of JJd's sister, Rebecca Deangelo Duane Thompson. 

If you are reading this, bassman, please post the link to your Facebook page. I'd like to ask you a question or two.  I could probably find your page, but there are thousands of "Brad Tompson" and "BradleyThompson" Facebook pages.

[cleopatra]

Jul 7, 2020 15:47:18 GMT otis1 said:

Jul 7, 2020 13:47:09 GMT cleopatra said:

Speaking for myself, it's a tough call.  However, JJD worked to pay for that house and sonirvwascamd is his house.  It does not belong to them as long as he is alive.  

JJD will utilize his assets to make his life in prison more bearable. He can use his money to bribe prison workers (and there are always workers hard up for cash), to buy food (junkfood Jow will relish in this), buy all kinds of stuff, etc.  He may now be in prison, but he already  "lived a good life" for the past 45 years, unlike te couples who he murdered.  

it's not about his daughters and what might rightfully theirs one day.  It's about JJD and his victims.  Any asset
 that is legally his, including the house, should be gone  after, as long as he is still alive.

The house is already gone. It was sold under the name of the granddaughter, who had just turned 18, as part of the divorce settlement.

Also conveniently gone is the monster's pension. That went to his long-time wife who uncannily had the good luck not to divorce him for nearly THREE DECADES, despite being a divorce lawyer. Talk about great luck!  

It's almost as if the monster had some sort of legal advice, perhaps by a divorce attorney, (hmmm), that there should never be divorce unless absolutely necessary to protect a pension and asset, (hmmm).

Just think - if there had been a divorce nearly THREE DECADES ago when the separation took place, the ex would have had no claim to the pension. It would now be available to survivors. It's almost as if an experienced divorce attorney had amazing clairvoyance THREE DECADES ago that there might be a need to protect assets from civil suits. (hmmm).

All just conjecture and opinion of course. 

I believe the house was in the name if a trust.  Only the trustee has the power to sell it.  The creator/settler of the trust could always amend the trust and name a successor trustee.  If JJD was the trustee and beneficiary, he could have passed on the trustee power to his daughter and he could also have removed his mane as a beneficiary and base his daughters beneficiaries  

By doing all that, JJD evaded being sued in civil court, and he became eligible for a public defender. 

[cleopatra]

Jim Huddle wrote inglis book that Shaton didnt divorce JJD in order to remain on his medical insurance plan.