Did Richard Ramirez's capture cause EAR ONS to strike again?

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This thread will in all likelihood not help solve the EAR ONS case, and although questions regarding the intersection of Richard Ramirez' crime spree and that of Janelle Cruz' horrific murder have been mentioned here before, I cannot find a string which examines it in depth.

As a young kid who lived in Orange County during this timeframe, the summer of '85 is etched into my skull for one simple reason.  And no, it's not because 'Back to the Future" was released.  One summer previous ('84") the Olympics absolutely dominated the local news coverage, but in '85, in was all Night Stalker, all the time.  The non-original one.   The ACDC, Highway-to-Hell/blood scrawling predator who struck old and young alike.  He was seemingly indiscriminate; be they drenched in arthritis cream or swathed in Huggies, no man or woman was safe.

August 25th, 1985, Richard Ramirez perpetrated his last knows attack in Mission Viejo (South Orange County), roughly 10 miles from the Cruz residence (I didn't Google map that it's just a rough estimate).   While he was apprehended in LA, this clearly shook a lot of folks in OC who likely felt safe behind the Orange curtain. 

His attack roughly ten miles from the Cruz residence ultimately helped lead to his capture, and displayed for the first time WHO exactly all this hoopla was about.  The monster had a face.  A story.  Mothers were watching.  Kids were watching.   EAR ONS, if he in fact lived in the state of California at this time, was undoubtedly watching.  Just how pathetic this man, this Ramirez, this neophyte predator, he likely thought.  Dude, you never park on the same street.

www.ocregister.com/articles/romero-369453-night-stalker.html

I have long interpreted that that EAR ONS 'came out of hiding' in '86 due to difficulty in his life, a slip, which he immediately regretted (possibly due to a lower dopamine rush) and vowed to never act again.  But perhaps that wasn't the case at all. 

Did Richard Ramirez poke the bear?

There was a blanket of unnerve in Orange County, and Southern California on the whole.  Now, this may sound a little dramatic, but I remember my Mom checking that all of the windows were locked, various makeshift burglar alarms, and the all important stick that went into the base of the sliding glass back door.  From LA county, to Orange County, Venture and the Inland Empire,  this guy didn't mind packing up his little Toyota and hitting the 405, or 91, or any number of So Cal cities.  NOBODY was safe.

Imagine the absolute rush that EAR ONS felt in this constant sense of fear around him.  He was getting his fix with zero risk.  It was the best.  Sure, he wasn't able to follow his own disgusting exploits in the paper as he had before, but he didn't want to.  That was the whole point of moving to So Cal and spreading out his crimes, removing the bindings, etc.

But in August of 1985, the thrill came to an end.  Ramirez was beat down and captured in East LA by good Samaritans, and suddenly, fear was replaced by investigation, and a CNN like autopsy of events and histories began to dominate the narrative.  But what about me?  What am I supposed to do now, EAR ONS may have thought.   

For 8+ months came relentless news of WHO Richard Ramirez was, what Satan god he worshiped, what his family life/upbringing was like, whether he liked fruit loops or frosted flakes, etc.

And EAR ONS resented it.  This man, this charlatan didn't deserve the attention.

I wonder what this did to poor EAR ONS.  Did it ignite the rush of 76-79 Sacramento all over again?  Sure, he had a family now, but a Tiger's gotta eat, right?  Maybe not.

On May 4th, 1986, the unknown murdered/rapist known as EAR ONS brutally slayed a beautiful, innocent young woman named Janelle Cruz in Irvine.

Less that 48 hours later, he sat on his couch, flipped on the evening news, cracked open a cold beer and realized that he made a monumental mistake that the '82 him never would have permitted.  He let his compulsions get the best of him.  Never again.

www.upi.com/Archives/1986/05/07/Night-Stalker-suspect-ordered-to-stand-trial/5282515822400/

[sammyt]

I've often wondered if EARONS was also influenced by the big news on May 1, 1986 (just three days before the seemingly impulsive murder of Janelle Cruz) that Sugar Ray Leonard was coming out of retirement to fight Marvin Hagler.

[sammyt]

Nov 23, 2016 19:00:41 GMT @malboner said:

Nov 23, 2016 18:21:33 GMT sammyt said:

I've often wondered if EARONS was also influenced by the big news on May 1, 1986 (just three days before the seemingly impulsive murder of Janelle Cruz) that Sugar Ray Leonard was coming out of retirement to fight Marvin Hagler.

sammyt......in the past I've explored whether the EAR/ONS may have increased his skills by crashing major sporting events (and concerts) throughout the 1970s and early 1980s. I alerted law enforcement about one incident in particular that is still talked about decades after it happened. The intruder (smallish, pale-skinned male) actually somehow got around police officers and security guards so that he could get naked and shower with the chamionship team. Once he was discovered, the intruder was somehow able to escape before the law could make an arrest.

I doubt somehow if the 'baby dick rapist' was breaking into sports stadia to shower with large groups of alpha males, but you never know!

A man confident in his own masculinity doesn't go around tying up other men and raping their wives, so I reckon EAR would have avoided jocks, team sports and showers like the plague, as such things would be another challenge to his already clearly fragile masculinity.

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What the hell does boxing have to do with EAR?

[sammyt]

Nov 24, 2016 3:38:44 GMT bmack1986 said:

What the hell does boxing have to do with EAR?

Probably nothing, but maybe after Ramirez had been dominating the news reports and stealing his glory, the news of Sugar Ray's comeback, finally sent EAR back over the edge.

May 1, 1986 - Sugar Ray Leonard comes out of retirement to fight Marvin Hagler in the biggest fight for years.
May 4, 1986 - EARONS 'comes out of retirement' to murder Janelle Cruz.

[Drifter]

Posters ... just because two events are close together in time does not in any way make their association a matter of cause and effect.

For this thread, let's get off the subject of boxing.

D.

[smitmit]

LOL

[crow]

This is such a class example of what this forum has turned into. Almost 50% of what's going on is completely pointless speculation.
It's unfounded fantasy... and what's worse is that it's a complete waste of everyone's time.

So what if EARONS committed the crime because of Ramirez? How on earth would you ever find out and what could it possibly "prove"?
So what if he wasn't alone? How will people prove that, when they can't find a single suspect in the first place?
What if he was this or that and back again?

Post after post after post with completely unfounded speculation about things that can never prove or solve anything even if they were true.

I'm all for investigating every possible angle, but could we at least have a remotely useful goal with what we're looking at?
It's really frustrating to see this forum being flooded with random theories that can never lead anywhere even if they were true.
What's the point?
It's mostly just wanting to hear yourself speak about something you find really intriguing. It becomes a bit gross TBH.

[Cagney]

Nov 23, 2016 20:35:41 GMT sammyt said:

Nov 23, 2016 19:00:41 GMT @malboner said:

sammyt......in the past I've explored whether the EAR/ONS may have increased his skills by crashing major sporting events (and concerts) throughout the 1970s and early 1980s. I alerted law enforcement about one incident in particular that is still talked about decades after it happened. The intruder (smallish, pale-skinned male) actually somehow got around police officers and security guards so that he could get naked and shower with the chamionship team. Once he was discovered, the intruder was somehow able to escape before the law could make an arrest.

I doubt somehow if the 'baby dick rapist' was breaking into sports stadia to shower with large groups of alpha males, but you never know!

A man confident in his own masculinity doesn't go around tying up other men and raping their wives, so I reckon EAR would have avoided jocks, team sports and showers like the plague, as such things would be another challenge to his already clearly fragile masculinity.

  perfect..   'baby dick rapist'   that is what I am gonna post from now on!  

[Cagney]

Nov 25, 2016 11:49:15 GMT crow said:

This is such a class example of what this forum has turned into. Almost 50% of what's going on is completely pointless speculation.
It's unfounded fantasy... and what's worse is that it's a complete waste of everyone's time.

So what if EARONS committed the crime because of Ramirez? How on earth would you ever find out and what could it possibly "prove"?
So what if he wasn't alone? How will people prove that, when they can't find a single suspect in the first place?
What if he was this or that and back again?

Post after post after post with completely unfounded speculation about things that can never prove or solve anything even if they were true.

I'm all for investigating every possible angle, but could we at least have a remotely useful goal with what we're looking at?
It's really frustrating to see this forum being flooded with random theories that can never lead anywhere even if they were true.
What's the point?
It's mostly just wanting to hear yourself speak about something you find really intriguing. It becomes a bit gross TBH.

Very true..  But I see nothing wrong with referring to him as the 'baby dick rapist' from now on..

[sammyt]

Nov 25, 2016 11:49:15 GMT crow said:

This is such a class example of what this forum has turned into. Almost 50% of what's going on is completely pointless speculation.
It's unfounded fantasy... and what's worse is that it's a complete waste of everyone's time.

So what if EARONS committed the crime because of Ramirez? How on earth would you ever find out and what could it possibly "prove"?
So what if he wasn't alone? How will people prove that, when they can't find a single suspect in the first place?
What if he was this or that and back again?

Post after post after post with completely unfounded speculation about things that can never prove or solve anything even if they were true.

I'm all for investigating every possible angle, but could we at least have a remotely useful goal with what we're looking at?
It's really frustrating to see this forum being flooded with random theories that can never lead anywhere even if they were true.
What's the point?
It's mostly just wanting to hear yourself speak about something you find really intriguing. It becomes a bit gross TBH.

Apologies for mentioning the closeness in timing between the Ray Leonard announcement and the final ONS murder.

I thought it was worth posting in this thread and didn't realise it would raise such passions.

Of course endless speculation can be annoying, but it's going to happen on a forum such as this one, where such an interesting topic is going to lead to some 'what ifs'.

For example, if it could be shown that EAR didn't act alone, then it would reopen lines of investigation into all the original POIs who were cleared by alibi etc.

If it could ever be shown that EAR acted due to Ramirez getting so much attention, then it would reduce the likelihood he was living abroad or serving a jail term in 1985, which could also help trim the suspect pool.

[sammyt]

Nov 25, 2016 13:50:13 GMT Cagney said:

Nov 23, 2016 20:35:41 GMT sammyt said:

I doubt somehow if the 'baby dick rapist' was breaking into sports stadia to shower with large groups of alpha males, but you never know!

A man confident in his own masculinity doesn't go around tying up other men and raping their wives, so I reckon EAR would have avoided jocks, team sports and showers like the plague, as such things would be another challenge to his already clearly fragile masculinity.

  perfect..   'baby dick rapist'   that is what I am gonna post from now on!  

It may not be strictly accurate, as he was probably in the small/normal range, but I prefer it to the clumsy EARONS moniker.

IMO the 'baby dick rapist' would catch the public's attention a lot more that EARONS or GSK, although it would have to be spelled out that the suspect wasn't actually one of the small percentage of men with a micropenis...

[crow]

Pointless speculation is endless theories about endless scenarios, that cannot be used for anything... even if they turned out to be true.

Real speculation, or meaningful theories have some kind of connection to something that can actually be investigated and lead somewhere.

The wrong kind: What if EARONS was a political terrorist on a mission for Russia?

The meaningful one: What if EARONS committed a crime we didn't know about, that now leaves us with new clues we can look into with the hypothesis it was his crime ?

The first example is COMPLETELY USELESS without an initial clue or any evidence. The second one could obviously be non related, but at least it has something to look into.

These random topics are muddy waters and most importantly: They are completely pointless because they can never be proven.... and even if they could... they would never come before an initial suspect. It's hard enough as it is, man. Stick with investigating "real" things, before you make up a million fantasy-scenarios.

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Nov 25, 2016 13:50:13 GMT Cagney said:

Nov 23, 2016 20:35:41 GMT sammyt said:

I doubt somehow if the 'baby dick rapist' was breaking into sports stadia to shower with large groups of alpha males, but you never know!

A man confident in his own masculinity doesn't go around tying up other men and raping their wives, so I reckon EAR would have avoided jocks, team sports and showers like the plague, as such things would be another challenge to his already clearly fragile masculinity.

  perfect..   'baby dick rapist'   that is what I am gonna post from now on!  

BDR. Finally, we have a better acronym for the multiple names given in multiple jurisdictions. Hope it gets some traction!

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I was scheduled to interview Richard Ramirez in the fall of 2003 on an appeal from a conviction of a female for her husband's murder.  The female had said goodnight to her husband, another male friend and Ramirez before midnight and fell asleep in her bedroom.

Ramirez was a proficient burglar and regularly brought items to her husband, who fenced stolen goods.

Sometime before 2 a.m., she awoke to being raped by Richard Ramirez and then badly beaten.  He left and she made her way into the living room to find her husband.  Her husband was dead in front of the fireplace. As I recall, a fireplace tool had been used in the murder.  She was hysterical and ran to a neighbor for help.  Officers arrived and arrested her.

At the time, no one knew of Ramirez. I considered this his first murder, although he was known to have committed twelve.  As a satanist, he must have reveled in the knowledge that he had committed thirteen, yet LE had badly bungled the investigation of the first murder.

The photos were shocking to me, not because of the actual victim scenes, but the fact that LE allowed neighbors, family members and even press to walk through the home and living room BEFORE forensics were gathered.  Photos clearly depicted the other persons walking through and touching items.

The wife had been brutalized, her husband was dead and she knew who was at her home and had raped her, yet she was not given a rape kit and was railroaded through the system to a sixteen year sentence.

Her aging mother had depleted her trust to help her case defense. Then she paid to start the appeal.  When I was brought into the case and agreed to do the Ramirez interview, the intent was to ask him why he would not want credit for the first murder and a thirteen count.  The convicted wife/victim then decided that she had a better chance to recover her life if she served out the remainder of her sentence and preserved what was left of her inheritance.

If I have ever seen both the worst of an LE investigation and the best case for a pardon, it was this one.  Whoever commented about 70's LE being what it was, this was a prime example.