Fernando Eros Caro Jr

[albion]

This is an excellent article by Kevin Roderick. I think it relates the idea that most LE truly care about their cases and the victims. But why hasn't the gsk been solved in some form or fashion like this one? Even though, as Garry Davis says, he hasn't won, I would believe that at least there has been some resolution for the families and for him.

www.kevinroderick.com/girls.html

"It is not just the killings that haunt Garry Davis, though they were horrible enough. Two teen-age girls were driven deep into an almond orchard 11 miles north of Bakersfield. Trucks passing on California 99 might have masked their screams. The younger girl, bound hand and foot, was taken out and shot once behind the left ear. The older girl, bleeding from a bullet wound in her thigh, was dragged one row of trees away. She was laid down on her jacket and raped. Afterward she was given time to arrange her underpants. It appeared she was pulling on her jeans when the bullet smashed into her cheekbone.

Davis first saw the girls lying beneath the trees three days after Easter Sunday in 1980. For the nine years since then he has thought about their horror in the orchard. But he is a seasoned homicide detective. Even that is not what gnaws at him. The killer, Davis says with certainty, is a former Marine Corps helicopter pilot -- a bodybuilder known for taking his rage out on women -- now on Death Row, convicted of two other murders. Davis considers the girls' murder solved. "I did my job," says Davis, the sergeant in charge of homicide detectives for the Kern County Sheriff's Department.

An ex-Marine pilot was arrested and the murder weapon found. The .357 magnum Colt Python revolver was just the sort Davis was looking for to pair with his bullet fragment. Ballistics tests showed a match. Davis focused his search for the killer -- now also his best lead to the girls' identity -- on Fernando Eros Caro Jr., the man charged in the Fowler murders. The gun belonged to Cathy Lozano, a waitress Caro lived with in Fresno. At the time the Bakersfield girls were killed, Lozano was staying with her mother in Arizona. The gun was with Caro."

[Drifter]

Interesting story, albion. Sounds like Garry Davis is a detective with a heart.

Drifter

[fernando e.caro's ex-wife]

are all of these gsk, ear, and ons, about one person, or 3 individuals, sorry i'm new to this forum.

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Jan 7, 2015 9:23:54 GMT fernando e.caro's ex-wife said:

are all of these gsk, ear, and ons, about one person, or 3 individuals, sorry i'm new to this forum.

Yes, it is all about one person.  You'll hear him referred to as "ear/ons" or GSK. 

ear/ons = East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker  

He's called the Original Night Stalker because he operated before a more notoriously famous criminal, the Night Stalker, who was caught and found to be Richard Ramirez.

GSK is Golden State Killer.   I'm not sure how he earned that moniker, but I think it's because the East Area label described his crimes in Sacramento, and later it was discovered he operated much further south in California. 

[slumbergirl]

Very sad story. The only good news is that this killer is now in prison, and the girls were finally identified in 1993 as Charlena Marie Simon, 15, and Robin Denise Snead, 16. They had run away together in March 1980.

[magnumforce73]

Jan 7, 2015 12:22:52 GMT @trig said:

Jan 7, 2015 9:23:54 GMT fernando e.caro's ex-wife said:

are all of these gsk, ear, and ons, about one person, or 3 individuals, sorry i'm new to this forum.

Yes, it is all about one person.  You'll hear him referred to as "ear/ons" or GSK. 

ear/ons = East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker  

He's called the Original Night Stalker because he operated before a more notoriously famous criminal, the Night Stalker, who was caught and found to be Richard Ramirez.

GSK is Golden State Killer.   I'm not sure how he earned that moniker, but I think it's because the East Area label described his crimes in Sacramento, and later it was discovered he operated much further south in California. 

Isn't "G.S.K." one of Ms. McNamara's designs?

mf73

[slumbergirl]

MF73 - Yes, the Golden State Killer is Michelle McNamara's name for the EARONS. I agree with her that "EARONS" is a dull acronym that does not encourage public interest. GSK does not seem to have caught on, though, possibly because he has been the "EARONS" for so long....

[woofytreats]

...or it could possibly be that 'Golden State Killer / GSK' is an even duller moniker / acronym that doesn't accurately represent the crime series...that one gets my vote. IMO, EARONS...for all it's nebulousness as a acronym, is still better than changing an existing acronym / moniker into a broad brush name like 'Golden State Killer' ( that likely means even less than EARONS to the average person ) in an attempt to service the case. To me, 'Golden State Killer' is so generic it could just be changed to a UPC bar code and it would receive the same level of interest without sufficient general and specific media and public recognition to back it up. Michelle's book and a few talk show appearances isn't the same as constant and lurid press coverage. Kind of like someone using the moniker "Original Night Stalker" in reference to her book and someone answering with "Ramirez is dead". I like to think I understand the concept of 'GSK' in that vein but I think there's good reason it hasn't caught on.

[magnumforce73]

Jan 7, 2015 16:32:22 GMT slumbergirl said:

MF73 - Yes, the Golden State Killer is Michelle McNamara's name for the EARONS. I agree with her that "EARONS" is a dull acronym that does not encourage public interest. GSK does not seem to have caught on, though, possibly because he has been the "EARONS" for so long....

I had to go back and reread the articles that appeared in L.A. Magazine.  Sure enough, Devil's in the details--like always.

I have to say, and this is one of the few times that you and I will disagree, but I personally love "EAR/ONS" as a moniker--dull is the last word that comes to mind, but that's probably because I refer to him as EAR/ONS (one word like it sounds) and have been for a decade.  Frankly, I thought he had good names to begin with--satanist halfwit Ramirez's crimes did have a hand in further obscuring this criminal thanks to his nonsense several years following Goleta I - III.  I never liked "G.S.K." because that could apply to so many roaming, itinerant baddies roaming the Golden State in the 1970s--to me, it further dilutes and obscures the REAL Night Stalker, our suspect.  It's not specific enough to this suspect--where even the tiniest, most miniscule details are critical.

mf73

[slumbergirl]

IMO, those of us on this board are not the audience that Michelle McNamara was targeting with her attempt to rename the EARONS. She was attempting to come up with a name that would interest a wider audience.

If you have never heard of the EARONS and are asked which criminal you would be more interested in reading about, would it be "EARONS" or "Golden State Killer"? Even if you spell out the "EARONS" acronym and say "East Area Rapist/Original Night Stalker", I have already noticed that the word "rapist" is much more taboo than "killer". People, generally, do not want to discuss a "rapist" but are willing to discuss a "killer".

[woofytreats]

Oh, I absolutely agree in terms of the target audience. However, my feeling is that yet another moniker isn't going to get the public interested if there's no general or specific media to support it. It would seem that you could condense "50 rapes, 10-12 murders, never caught" into something other than the "Golden State Killer"...like that's somehow evocative and inclusive because someone says it is and would prove particularly adept at generating interest. I guess it's yet to be seen how much media "cache" Michelle McNamara has and can generate from her book but my possibly incorrect notion is that it'll only be as big as the size of the "flash buzz" or continuing dialog it can generate. That might include the notion that the general public at large isn't interested no matter what you call him but the right person that's heretofore been disinterested could be listening or reading. I guess we can always hope for some form of the latter.

[Relentless]

Hopefully we won't need a moniker for EAR/ONS/GSK much longer and will be able to call him by his birth-name. And if I were a betting person, I would bet my bottom dollar his first name is Edward.

[fixintogo]

Jan 7, 2015 9:23:54 GMT fernando e.caro's ex-wife said:

are all of these gsk, ear, and ons, about one person, or 3 individuals, sorry i'm new to this forum.

Welcome to the forum, Exwife. 

[Deleted]

Yes, welcome. And would you care to expound on anything related to your ex? I think we'll all understand if you don't want to.

[fernando e.caro's ex-wife]

Jan 7, 2015 9:23:54 GMT fernando e.caro's ex-wife said:

are all of these gsk, ear, and ons, about one person, or 3 individuals, sorry i'm new to this forum.