Behavioral differences between EAR and ONS phases

[northernjustice]

Due to the nature of the crimes during the EAR phase, there were many witnesses who could corroborate different aspects of the EAR's behavior before, during, and after attacks. I believe that even as amateurs we on this board all have a good grasp on who the EAR was when he wore that mask and set out into the night from 1976-1979.

However, when it comes to the ONS phase, we have a lack of witnesses, what seems to be a decrease in EAR-style reconnaissance, and overall less interaction with the victims before the crimes. We don't know what his actual plan was for the aborted Goleta attack, but his MO was overall similar to what he had been doing previously. I think we can assume that he was going to murder the would-be victims given that he chanted that to himself and ended up killing all future victims (that we know of).

Aside from the obvious differences -- murder, removing evidence from the scene, and the different region -- we know something changed. It seems that overall he was much less interested in interacting with his victims and also attacked with less frequency. Did murder satisfy him for longer periods of time? Did it freak him out or make him paranoid, only for the bloodlust to return? Did he have more going on in his life... a wife, a career, or was he serving time in prison or an institution? The EAR (and the VR, if he's to be included) was someone who kept himself busy with his freakish obsession to the point of addiction, so how does someone with a need for a constant compulsive "high" learn to moderate his behavior?

It is hard for me to say that the EAR had some sense of "humanity" from 76-79 given what he did, but what little we know about the ONS attacks show a sense of urgency, struggle, and a barbaric finish that indicate a severe drop in terms of his "humanity". He chose weapons from around the home, likely in advance, with the intent of bludgeoning victims and he also removed his ties, so he obviously had clear intention and wasn't in fact operating from a completely deteriorated, animalistic mental state. But something was different, and what was it?

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Nov 10, 2014 23:58:52 GMT northernjustice said:

Due to the nature of the crimes during the EAR phase, there were many witnesses who could corroborate different aspects of the EAR's behavior before, during, and after attacks. I believe that even as amateurs we on this board all have a good grasp on who the EAR was when he wore that mask and set out into the night from 1976-1979.

However, when it comes to the ONS phase, we have a lack of witnesses, what seems to be a decrease in EAR-style reconnaissance, and overall less interaction with the victims before the crimes. We don't know what his actual plan was for the aborted Goleta attack, but his MO was overall similar to what he had been doing previously. I think we can assume that he was going to murder the would-be victims given that he chanted that to himself and ended up killing all future victims (that we know of).

Aside from the obvious differences -- murder, removing evidence from the scene, and the different region -- we know something changed. It seems that overall he was much less interested in interacting with his victims and also attacked with less frequency. Did murder satisfy him for longer periods of time? Did it freak him out or make him paranoid, only for the bloodlust to return? Did he have more going on in his life... a wife, a career, or was he serving time in prison or an institution? The EAR (and the VR, if he's to be included) was someone who kept himself busy with his freakish obsession to the point of addiction, so how does someone with a need for a constant compulsive "high" learn to moderate his behavior?

It is hard for me to say that the EAR had some sense of "humanity" from 76-79 given what he did, but what little we know about the ONS attacks show a sense of urgency, struggle, and a barbaric finish that indicate a severe drop in terms of his "humanity". He chose weapons from around the home, likely in advance, with the intent of bludgeoning victims and he also removed his ties, so he obviously had clear intention and wasn't in fact operating from a completely deteriorated, animalistic mental state. But something was different, and what was it?

I think part of it may be that during his EAR phase, he may have been more intent on causing a mass panic and that he changed his intent to a more personal tone during the ONS crimes.

[V]

I have a friend who, in his late 20's developed a really alcohol problem. He would get wasted at least every day or two. He happily carried on in this state for a couple years and it never seemed to interfere with his life. But then one month it all came crashing down. He got a DUI.. then a week after that his wife had had enough and she left him.. Then he lost his job because of the DUI. At this point his was faced with a choice: he could keep going down the addictive path that was ruining his life, or he could try to control his urges to drink alcohol and get his life together. My is no idiot, he was able to change his life, get another job and get back on track. But he never stopped loving the drink. And every two or three months he calls me up to the bar to get hammered with him. And he appears to be perfectly happy with his new situation.

I think of the EAR - ONS situation like that. He was perfectly happy raping almost at will and whim until either he almost got caught and realized what he nearly lost or his obsession spilled over into his personal life and, again, he almost got caught. So he matured. He realized the longer he kept going at the rate that he was going, the more chances there were to get caught. He was able so hold his lust for months at a time until the moment was right to release it, then he was sated and could go back to life again, but still looking forward to his next attack.

[dbw]

EAR was conflicted. Almost without exception those analyzing his behavior and serial offenders consulted said he wanted to kill, he wanted a reason to kill, but he couldn't bring himself to it - yet.

Obviously that changed when he moved south. Maybe it was the failed attacks in Danville and Goleta. Maybe it was because he has to kill Sanchez when he wouldn't cooperate. But he finally did what he was building up to - Killing.

It may have started earlier. Remember the unloaded shotgun and daring the male to go for it? Myabe that's a part of why he started attacking couples - hoping the male would resist and he'd have a reason to kill. We may never know.

Just some thoughts.

[magnumforce73]

Nov 11, 2014 1:55:03 GMT dbw said:

EAR was conflicted. Almost without exception those analyzing his behavior and serial offenders consulted said he wanted to kill, he wanted a reason to kill, but he couldn't bring himself to it - yet.

Obviously that changed when he moved south. Maybe it was the failed attacks in Danville and Goleta. Maybe it was because he has to kill Sanchez when he wouldn't cooperate. But he finally did what he was building up to - Killing.

It may have started earlier. Remember the unloaded shotgun and daring the male to go for it? Myabe that's a part of why he started attacking couples - hoping the male would resist and he'd have a reason to kill. We may never know.

Just some thoughts.

That's something I noticed too--it's as if he was looking for justification to escalate to murder.  He freaked the victims out on Queen Ann Lane when he told the woman he was going to cut her throat and then the victims heard him chanting as if a rosary: "I'll kill 'em, I'll kill 'em" ad infinitum.  And he wonders why they try to escape the house despite their bindings--no rational, reasonable person who's bound and helpless is going to lie still as a ski masked psychopath comes at them with a knife, ready to slit their throat.  I'm convinced Danville and Goleta I sealed the deal that was coming one way or the other: he wanted to kill.  Once he did at Goleta II, I believe it was like Lt. Shelby said: he found it the ultimate thrill, and he planned all future crimes accordingly.

mf73

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What if he did kill Eva Taylor before the EAR phase and for some reason didn't kill (at least that we know of) in the EAR areas? He may have already been a killer.

[magnumforce73]

Nov 11, 2014 2:17:41 GMT @privatecitizen said:

What if he did kill Eva Taylor before the EAR phase and for some reason didn't kill (at least that we know of) in the EAR areas? He may have already been a killer.

That's a good point.  We still don't know if he is responsible for Mrs. Taylor.  I'm not saying it's him, but sniff the air and you'll get just enough of a whiff from the stench in a ski mask that used to plague Sacramento, Stockton, Modesto, and all the other affected communities.

mf73

[dbw]

Nov 11, 2014 2:17:41 GMT @privatecitizen said:

What if he did kill Eva Taylor before the EAR phase and for some reason didn't kill (at least that we know of) in the EAR areas? He may have already been a killer.

I don't think he killed Eva Taylor.

[V]

Nov 11, 2014 1:55:03 GMT dbw said:

EAR was conflicted. Almost without exception those analyzing his behavior and serial offenders consulted said he wanted to kill, he wanted a reason to kill, but he couldn't bring himself to it - yet.

Obviously that changed when he moved south. Maybe it was the failed attacks in Danville and Goleta. Maybe it was because he has to kill Sanchez when he wouldn't cooperate. But he finally did what he was building up to - Killing.

It may have started earlier. Remember the unloaded shotgun and daring the male to go for it? Myabe that's a part of why he started attacking couples - hoping the male would resist and he'd have a reason to kill. We may never know.

Just some thoughts.

Very interesting. Very possible.

[dbw]

Thanks. I've been thinking about it for a while.

[tmacchallenger]

I think he would have killed all his victims except he was afraid of life imprisonment or the gas chamber if he got caught. Eventually, he just couldn't suppress his blood lust anymore.

[V]

Nov 11, 2014 3:50:21 GMT tmacchallenger said:

I think he would have killed all his victims except he was afraid of life imprisonment or the gas chamber if he got caught. Eventually, he just couldn't suppress his blood lust anymore.

Yea, but after 20 rapes, he had to know that if he was caught they would never let him go. I don't think the length of punishment influenced him. I'm sure the thought of murder was always in his mind, but the very idea of getting caught made him realize that it was safer for him to kill his victims. At some point it set in. Its no coincidence that one of his most humiliating failures (in his mind) came just before he starts resorting to murder.

[tmacchallenger]

Nov 11, 2014 5:13:59 GMT V said:

Nov 11, 2014 3:50:21 GMT tmacchallenger said:

I think he would have killed all his victims except he was afraid of life imprisonment or the gas chamber if he got caught. Eventually, he just couldn't suppress his blood lust anymore.

Yea, but after 20 rapes, he had to know that if he was caught they would never let him go. I don't think the length of punishment influenced him. I'm sure the thought of murder was always in his mind, but the very idea of getting caught made him realize that it was safer for him to kill his victims. At some point it set in. Its no coincidence that one of his most humiliating failures (in his mind) came just before he starts resorting to murder.

You're right about him probably not caring about the prison length, except maybe he thought he could exploit the system and have himself committed to a mental institution instead of prison. I believe he may have already spent time in an institution for mental health. Regardless, the death penalty was something he did not want looming over his head. He had no problem shooting someone if Rodney Miller was a victim of his.

[V]

Nov 11, 2014 5:26:11 GMT tmacchallenger said:

Nov 11, 2014 5:13:59 GMT V said:

Yea, but after 20 rapes, he had to know that if he was caught they would never let him go. I don't think the length of punishment influenced him. I'm sure the thought of murder was always in his mind, but the very idea of getting caught made him realize that it was safer for him to kill his victims. At some point it set in. Its no coincidence that one of his most humiliating failures (in his mind) came just before he starts resorting to murder.

You're right about him probably not caring about the prison length, except maybe he thought he could exploit the system and have himself committed to a mental institution instead of prison. I believe he may have already spent time in an institution for mental health. Regardless, the death penalty was something he did not want looming over his head. He had no problem shooting someone if Rodney Miller was a victim of his.

I don't think he has EVER been institutionalized, except maybe before Janelle Cruz or after. Or both. Or neither. I think he is the kind of person that was allowed to get away with everything as a child and/or teen. There is little doubt in my mind that he is sitting in his upper middle class home right now, while his wife sleeps, his grandchildren have already gone home. And there he is. Reading this forum. A monster hidden in plain sight.

[tmacchallenger]

Nov 11, 2014 5:48:40 GMT V said:

Nov 11, 2014 5:26:11 GMT tmacchallenger said:

You're right about him probably not caring about the prison length, except maybe he thought he could exploit the system and have himself committed to a mental institution instead of prison. I believe he may have already spent time in an institution for mental health. Regardless, the death penalty was something he did not want looming over his head. He had no problem shooting someone if Rodney Miller was a victim of his.

I don't think he has EVER been institutionalized, except maybe before Janelle Cruz or after. Or both. Or neither. I think he is the kind of person that was allowed to get away with everything as a child and/or teen. There is little doubt in my mind that he is sitting in his upper middle class home right now, while his wife sleeps, his grandchildren have already gone home. And there he is. Reading this forum. A monster hidden in plain sight.

Me and you will just have to agree to disagree then. Just my own personal opinion. I think he was allowed to get away with a lot because he came from a broken home and had a family that didn't care what he did. As far as him now being an upper-middle class citizen, that's debatable. He could very well be working the register at a pornography store and sleeping in a dumpy apartment. Anybody that infatuated with stalking and raping, might have a hard time focusing on something else, with the same zeal, to better his life from an economic standpoint.