Fifth Set (Format Changes Completed)

[Drifter]

Topic: Registered Sex Offenders
Poster: Arch

This is an article about the Woolly Rapist. In the article are some important insights that have significance to the EAR investigation (both then and now). It lists how many sex offenders there were in Sacramento County (approx. 450), Sacramento City (593) and Yolo County (278) circa 1978.

That is over 1300 sexual offenders in and around Sacramento at the time of EAR. The average schmoe would assume that most (if not all) of these sexual offenders would have been checked out during the EAR investigation. I have seen nothing that would suggest that and I have not heard this from any of the retired investigators.

As mentioned in another post, Richard Hirschfield was never considered a suspect in the murder of Riggins/Gonsalves. Jack Jessup was never considered a suspect in the Woolly Rapist case. Disturbing because both men were parolees to the area and both men were convicted of crimes similar to the crimes they committed in Sacramento. I am not that bright and yet the obvious question that comes to mind is could this be the same with EAR?

Perhaps the most telling and disconcerting part of the article is right at the beginning:

"The Sacramento County Sheriff's Department knew convicted rapist Jack Allen Jessup was living in the Sacramento area but did not question him before his arrest in the "Woolly Rapist" case,

Sheriff Duane Lowe said Wednesday. Lowe said Jessup was just one of hundreds of individuals convicted of bizarre sex crimes living in the area.

There was no more reason to question him than there was to question hundreds of others."

Apply that information to the EAR investigation which was still very active in 1978. If the EAR was a convicted sex offender, according to Lowe, there would be no reason to even suspect him. This has happened in two high profile Sacramento cases. Jessup was convicted in the "Pillowcase Rapist" case in which up to 150 women were attacked and yet, he is not suspected in the Woolly Rapist case. A convicted serial rapist new to the area not suspected in a serial rape case. Hirschfield was a convicted rapist and not suspected in the Riggins/Gonsalves case. Does anyone else see a pattern here? In the words of Nancy Grace: "Hello???"



Response from Arch

Random Related Thoughts

Random Thought 1: Don Richard's prime suspect attended group therapy sessions with Jessup while they served time together. Richard's suspect was a sex offender paroled to the Sacramento area as well and that is why Richard's began to suspect him. There was supposedly a similarity in what the Woolly Rapist did and in what the EAR did but I forget what it was. I'll go through my notes when I have time and post it if I find it. But that similarity is what caused Richards to think that the EAR and the Woolly Rapist knew each other.

Random Thought 2: While there has been the thought that the EAR is the pillar of success somewhere, most of these rapist/killers, while highly intelligent, turn out to be dirtbag underachievers. Bundy comes to mind. Simonis comes to mind. There are exceptions to the rule. I do not know how intelligent either Hirschfield or Jessup were (in terms of IQ) but they were underachievers as well.

Random Thought 3: It is possible that the reason the EAR was taking great care to keep his face covered and not leave any fingerprints behind is because investigators already had his mugshots and fingerprints on file. The EAR leaving the Sacramento area after being seen without his mask on seemed unnecessary UNLESS he was worried about the witness picking him out of a photo lineup of mugshots of paroled offenders.

Random Thought 4: I wonder how Jessup was caught in the Pillowcase Rapist case?

Random Thought 5: The EAR was a mature serial offender in 1976. He was not at the beginning of his crimes. Which suggests that there is another series of crimes committed by this individual. It might be Visalia. It might be some other series that we've never heard of like the Pillowcase Rapist. It might be just one or two offenses somewhere else like Hirschfield. Long story short, there are other crimes committed by the EAR prior to 1976. It took Jessup less than 6 months to start raping again.


Response from aus_sherlock_holmes

I like Random Thought #3 Arch. Personally, I like the idea of EAR being a convicted juvenile offender, learning from his mistake, and then taking great(er) care in future knowing he would face more severe consequences. Given the sheer frequency of his offending, and the risk-taking, the odds must be he did slip up at some stage — probably very early in his criminal career.

Tell me something if you know. In those days in California, did the courts commit juvenile offenders to psychiatric treatment as part of their bail conditions? According to Sudden Terror, we have a phone call which does sound (to me, anyway) like the EAR. He lets slip about a stint in the Stockton State Hospital. If he did spend time in that particular psychiatric hospital, could it have been imposed on him by the courts for some offence he may have committed as a minor?

The reason I ask is that there might have been a newspaper article we could find about such a case. It's a long shot. There's no hope otherwise (and nor should there be) of us ever getting the names of individuals who spent time in the hospital.


Response from Drifter

Toward the objective of identifying the EAR, a methodical examination of registered sex offenders in the Sac area during the relavant time period certainly couldn't hurt anything. At this late date, it's probably the best, most direct approach an investigator could take, as I assume those 1300 people are all identified by name and address. Don't know how you would go about matching EAR's DNA to those 1300 offenders. But whatever the process, by all means proceed.

Just realize that the EAR is a unique individual who cannot be directly compared to Hirschfield or Jessup or any other caught criminal. Most posters make such a comparison at some point; but it's a false assumption. There are no guarantees that the EAR/ONS ever had a police record.

I guess we all better hope that he did.

Good luck.


Respose from Arch

In 1978, our understanding of serial offenders was close to nil. Just Sheriff Lowes' statement alone shows a complete lack of understanding of the nature of serial offenders insofar as recidivism. The people who should have been looked at first in the EAR investigation are being looked at last. The lesson of Jack Jessup should have weighed heavily on investigators.

Of course, by the time Jessup was arrested, the EAR had dropped off the radar and would show up in Contra Costa County a month or two later. And as far as Sacramento was concerned, the EAR was now CCC's problem. They did form an EAR Task Force with CCC and continued to investigate the crimes but Sacramento was EAR'd out.

Det. Crompton says that registered sex offenders were investigated but there were some on the list that could not be found and eliminated. That list was destroyed when CCC began "purging" old case files. The statute of limitations ran on the EAR crimes at that point. Det. Crompton stopped CCC from destroying all of the EAR case files and OC got what was left when the DNA connection was made.

I am certain that either the DOJ or the Prison Parole Board still has documentation of paroled offenders. It would not take much to go through that list and pare it down to a manageable few. First, anyone that does not meet the physical description of the EAR/ONS is removed from the list (this includes whatever insights were provided by the DNA analysis). Next, any registered sex offender is required by law to provide investigators with a DNA sample. All those who have already met that requirement is removed from the list.

There are those registered sex offenders who for one reason or another do not have their DNA profile in CODIS. I know that Don Richard's suspect had moved from the area and did not provide a DNA sample to law enforcement when he moved. Investigators had to obtain a sample from him to clear him. Very obviously, investigators would be looking for anyone left on that list whose DNA profile is not already in CODIS.

It is a matter of being methodical in the approach and leaving nothing to chance. Start with the most obvious suspects (ie registered sex offenders) and then work your way to the least obvious suspects.

If the EAR has no police record at all, he would be among the first of high profile sex offenders. The odds are he has a past record. Taking the EAR's median age of 25 in 1976, his paraphilic behaviour began in his teens. It is most likely for prowling and peeping, maybe indecent exposure. Probably burglary. I am only guessing that he had at least one rape or rape attempt. Something along the line of Hirschfield. (If he is the Ransacker, then he wasn't nailed for that attempt but he would have a record preceeding the Ransacker cases).

Somewhere the EAR "learned" to not show his face and leave fingerprints. While the EAR was unique, he was lucky more than he was smart. It is just that the investigators were not as smart as he was and they were unprepared for an intelligent and (sometimes) organized serial offender. So far, none of us have proven to be as smart as he was.


Response from aus_sherlock_holmes

Thief Committed to Stockton State Hospital

I ran a quick search. Here's a newspaper article along the lines of what I was describing. It refers to a young man who has carried out a burglary in 1972 and has been captured and committed to the SSH for evaluation (in this case the man was committed by his relatives, not the courts, but that hardly matters). To be clear, I do not allege that this individual is the EAR.

news.google.com/newspapers?id=veUzAAAAIBAJ&sjid=qTIHAAAAIBAJ&dq=stockton%20state%20hospital%20court&pg=4948%2C579074

It wouldn't surprise me if the EAR has experienced a very similar process (arrest, psych evaluation in SSH, short period of jail / detention, release back into the community).

Response from hdmi

Mentally Competent

California Penal Code 1370(B), that covers mental competency has been around "forever".

In 1973, then Governor of California, Ronald Reagan began his "10 year plan" to phase out public Mental Hospitals.

Ya never know who slipped through the cracks


Response from Arch 

Thanks for posting the link. It is something worth seriously considering and looking into. Backtracking and trying to find the EAR's trail prior to June 1976 seems to be the way to go about this. SSH, paroled sex offenders, ex-burglars, etc.


Response from: germgrom68

I think there is a strong possibility that EAR was aregistered sex offender or had some other kind of crminal Background. Most likely as a thief, burglar, peeping tom. The way EAR operated when he emerged in Sacramento for his first (known) attacks.... these attacks show so much criminal ernergy, there must have been past criminal experience. Hot prowl burglaries and home invasion attacks are the least likely sort of offences to start with! So registered sex offenders and paroled criminals would be my first choice of persons to look at.

What makes my so violently sick about this case: i believe that there were people out there in the time he was offending who actually KNEW WHO HE WAS AND WHAT HE WAS DOING! A parent ("mommy"), a brother, a friend or relative... someone must have known who EAR was. And these persons remained silent all the time. What kind of Person would protect such a monster? And kept their lips shut while he was offending on and on... Who could live on with this knowledge?

Response from Grundle 

I hate to think it but I sometimes wonder if the people that could have known something important chose not to take action when they had the chance, giving earons all the power. He won't ever be caught unless the people that know something important can overcome fear. Everyone that knows anything needs to come forward.


Response from Port
HDM1 and Aus- Stockton State Hospital was home in the 1970's to a special treatment program for teens including schizophrenics- for example a teen who killed her step-father. It was also home to a methadone program for heroin addicts. How did EAR know about Stockton State Hospital unless he lived in Stockton, was in a program or worked there?


Response from briffyboy


how do you
know he knew about Stockton State hospital Port?
I think without a shadow of doubt that EAR had a criminal record.Probably for some kind of voyeurism.Someone will have mentioned his name during the investigation.I think that is one of the reasons he was careful not to leave fingerprints.


Response from Grundle

I hate to think it but I sometimes wonder if the people that could have known something important chose not to take action when they had the chance, giving earons all the power. He won't ever be caught unless the people that know something important can overcome fear. Everyone that knows anything needs to come forward.

Response from Arch

Grundle,

I have a "working theory" (based on my current suspect) which posits not only did "someone" know who the EAR was, this person in the know threatened to expose him unless he stopped. The EAR then switched to Southern CA and purposely disassociated the SoCal crimes from the NorCal EAR crimes so that the person who knew of his alter-ego would not know that he was still offending.

Again, it's just a working theory and pertains only to my current suspect who was living in the Sacramento area while the EAR/ONS was committing crimes in SoCal. The infrequency of the SoCal crimes (as compared to the NorCal crimes) makes it a plausible theory. Time will tell if there is anything to it.


Response from Drifter 

Is a methodical examination of Sac area registered sex offenders in progress ... now (in 2012)?

Or, is it something you think needs to be done?

You mentioned that "Det. Crompton says that registered sex offenders were investigated". Sounds like some in LE are not entirely convinced of the need, so I gather that said research is not ongoing. Or did I misinterpret your above comments?


Response from aus_sherlock_holmes

The EAR made a phone call to a counselling service and told the person who answered the phone that he had been in SSH. He also said, "I shouldn't really tell you that". That last statement suggests that somewhere there is a newspaper article about him being committed to SSH. He may have been committed to SSH by the courts or by family. I believe that newspaper article is the key to solving the case.


Response from hdmi

Patton State Hospital
He may have been telling part of the truth. Patton State, in SoCal is probably closer to the truth.


Response from Arch

There is no methodical examination of Sacramento area registered sex offenders either now or then. Based on both Jessup and Hirschfield, it is something that should have been done and still needs to be done. The problem now is that list of paroled sex offenders probably no longer exists.

Det. Crompton was aware of such a list and his recollection is that the sex offenders were "looked at" but there were some on the list who could not be cleared. The methods of clearing suspects in the late 1970's and early 1980's are substantially different when compared to the current methods. So ALL of the sex offenders on that list (should it ever turn up) need to be re-cleared just as ALL of the original EAR suspects were re-investigated and cleared via DNA test (when necessary).

So it is not that LE is not entirely convinced of the need. There is no efficient way of reconstituting the list of paroled sex offenders. I have been doing my own research on the subject and I am independently reaching the same conclusion.

Just this quote from the High-Risk Sex Offender Task Force Report should give you an idea of just how daunting an endeavor this is:

1 There are more than 50,000 individuals required to register as sex offenders in the State of California who are not under supervision by any state or local jurisdiction. An additional unknown number of sex offenders are on probation and under supervision by other departments such as the Department of Mental Health (DMH). DMH has responsibility under the law for the treatment and supervision of sexually violent predators.

It is not going to be easy going back 30 years to reconstitute the list of sex offenders and then attempt to track them all down and clear them via DNA. However, that is what I feel needs to be done in order for this case to progress toward a resolution. As you can see from the quote, not all sex offenders were under the auspices of the Prison Release Board and why some are looking at the Stockton State Hospital.

This is the link to the full report on the High Risk Sex Offenders Task Force:
www.cdcr.ca.gov/Parole/Sex_Offender_Facts/docs_SOMB/HRSO_taskForce.pdf



Response from Arch


Report: California Prisoners 1974-75

I found this report on-line:

www.cdcr.ca.gov/reports_research/offender_information_services_branch/Annual/CalPris/CALPRISd1974_75.pdf

It provides some stats on the California Prison population as well as parolees at the time. I will continue to dig until I find out which convicts were paroled to the Sacramento area between 1973 and 1976 (starting with 1976 and working backwards). Every paroled sex offender and burglar in that time period needs to be checked out and cleared, IMO.


Quick Reply

[Drifter]

Topic: Rethinking the EAR's Brazenness
Poster: Arch

Finding out that a large percentage of serial killers were abusers of alcohol or drugs has me rethinking the EAR's brazenness. The EAR's boldness and brazenness might have less to do with him being a cold, calculating serial offender and more to do with him being emboldened by drugs. Certain drugs give the user the feeling of omnipotence.

Here are some excerpts about Bundy, Dahmer and Gacy which I found surprising. Bundy is the cream of the crop of serial killers:

Serial Killing Alcoholic Rapists, with Excerpts from the Book Vessels of Rage, Engines of Power

By Matt Goldstein

The FBI estimates that there could be as many as 500 serial killers on the loose in the United States. According to many studies, the majority of all serial killers suffer from addiction to drugs and alcohol. Many serial killers get drunk before they kill and try to deal with their psychosis by drinking, often making it much worse.

An alcoholic and outright egomaniac, Ted Bundy told journalists that he drank before murder. Whether he needed to get drunk to murder or the drinking triggered his sexual violence remains to be seen but it was most likely a combination of both. Bundy murdered at least 40 women and possibly twice that number. Perhaps his most violent and infamous murders happened after Bundy left a bar one night in Florida. Bundy was drunk and angry that he had been rejected by a girl in the bar. The intoxicated and sexually enraged Ted Bundy entered a sorority house and murdered two college girls while badly injuring two others. These are believed to be Ted Bundy’s last murders. When arrested, Bundy was actually still drunk from the night before and completely disoriented. Ted Bundy was executed by the electric chair in Florida in 1989. Author James Graham believes that if Bundy had been treated for alcoholism at an early age, he would not have murdered anyone.

An alcoholic, homosexual and cannibal, Jeffery Dahmer killed 17 young men and boys in Milwaukee Wisconsin. Dahmer was an alcoholic in his early teens, many times getting drunk first thing in the morning before high school classes, even during class. The early alcoholism was linked to Jeffery’s inability to deal with confusions about his sexuality. This social awkwardness led to isolation and loneliness may have fueled Dahmers’ homicidal thoughts. When he got older, Dahmer entered the army and displayed outright alcoholism and violence according to other soldiers. According to his stepmother, Dahmer was discharged from the army for drinking problems. A premeditated murderer, Dahmer sometimes sat in the bar drinking all night until he picked up a man to take home. Dahmer murdered most of his victims when he was in a drunken sexual rage. Jeffery Dahmer was killed in prison in 1994 by 25 year old inmate Christopher Scaver. Scaver beat Dahmer to death with a broom handle. Dahmers’ murder sparked a nationwide movement to put famous inmates in protective custody.

Perhaps the creepiest serial killer we can think of, the clown dressing alcoholic drug addicted homosexual Gacy murdered 33 young men and boys. Gacy drank scotch, grain alcohol and heavily abused valium. Just like Bundy, Gacy was arrested while drunk and probably high on pills. Also like Bundy, Gacy showed no remorse. Gacy would lure young men to his house in hope of employment with his contracting company. Gacy would handcuff the boys, rape, torture and murder them by strangulation. John Wayne Gacy was executed by lethal injection on May 10th 1994 in Illinois.

Response from Arch

The Bay Area Pillowcase Rapist was arrested in 1972 after an alert policeman noticed a car leaving an apartment parking lot in the early morning hours. The patrol officer thought the driver looked nervous so he noted the license number. The idiot rapist then went home and reported his car stolen an hour later. He was charged with the rapes and falsifying a police report.

Port,

Do you know if the PCR wore a ski mask and gloves during his attacks?

Response from Port 


Arch- One of the Bay Area rapists was our friend Woolly but the one I was writing about is a different pillow case. In fact, I have emailed you a smattering of pillowcase and ski mask rapists during this time period. At least two wore masks and still covered the victims head with pillowcases.

Response from Arch 

So after reading these arrest accounts, I am thinking that EAR was not just lucky, but perhaps a little smarter than some of his colleagues.

Response from Sandia 

Port,

Drifter pointed out that some of the EAR's luck was due to his preparation. Which I concur. But of the two serial creeps that you provided more info on, the Bay Area PCR committed at least 125 sexual assaults before being caught with an inferior m.o. The LA PCR committed at least 200 sexual assaults before being caught. Is there any doubt that the EAR would have been caught had he committed that many assaults?

Despite all of his preparation, he lost control of the #3 crime scene by simply not leaving once he knew he was seen. Dumb. He was seen by the neighbor of #15 and lucked out that she did not call the police. Dumb. He lucked out in Danville. Most guys would have beat the EAR to death for even daring to assault their wives. Just plain lucky. Same with the homeowner who stuck a shotgun in his face. If it was Dick Cheney, he would have shot him by accident. And if it turns out that the pen left behind at #15 could have led to his identity, (and the jury is still out on that), then he is one of the luckiest SOB's who ever lived.
Dick Cheney, lol

Response from Port 

We don't know how many assaults EAR committed

Arch- Ear may have committed numerous assaults before Northern California and after- we just don't know.

Response from Arch

Port,

What we do know is that the EAR's signature was unique as you and Drifter pointed out. So unique that despite changing his M.O., Det. Crompton and Bevins still correctly identified his Santa Barbara crimes and continued to check every serial rapist attack even remotely similar such as Jon Barry Simonis' crimes. Other investigators linked the other SoCal murders without DNA technology. That is how distinctive his signature was.

Back in the 1970's, the SCSD sent out a teletype requesting that any other agencies with similar crimes contact them. And they did. That is partly how the Visalia Ransacker came to light. You can compare the EAR's first known 261 to #4 on forward and you are left with the impression that the EAR was just getting started. He was still working out his "script". His first one might be one or both of the 1975 attacks.

Response from delplaya

I believe that there are more EAR crimes in the 1981 to 1986 gap.

Response from f1guyus

I agree. The question is where and when. If his offences were one offs in upscale communities and he didn't kill anyone he could count on officialdom ignoring/denying ala Walnut Creek just because of the image issue. Or he could have been out of the country.


Response from Samk


In Ann Rule's book "The Stranger Besides Me" Ann wrote that on the night of the sorority house killings, two young men who were renting a room in the same building that Bundy was renting his room returned to their house to see Bundy standing by the door. It was around the same time that police cars were racing pass their house to get to the sorority house after the crimes were discovered. The two young men did not see anything wrong with Bundy and he seemed to be just as curious about the police sirens and what was going on as they were. This is how some of these perps behave. Cool, Calm and Very composed under pressure.


Response from Arch 

Samk,

I would assume that a serial rapist or killer would need to be in total control of his mental faculties in order to be on top of one's game. Criminal psychologists have found that to be otherwise in a significant percentage of cases. This is what Ted Bundy told Bob Keppel and later Stephen Michaud:

"Consumption of large quantities of alcohol was an "essential component", he told Keppel, and later Michaud; he needed to be "extremely drunk" while on the prowl[289][290] in order to "significantly diminish" his inhibitions and to "sedate" the "dominant personality" that he feared might prevent his inner "entity" from acting on his impulses.[291]"

Was Bundy lying about the alcohol abuse? It could very well be. But that would not invalidate the larger point of what criminal psychologists and other researchers have found.

I know that one of the suspects in the EAR case passed a lie detector test because he later admitted that he had smoked some marijuana before the test. This person was a pathological liar and managed to remain "cool, calm and composed" under pressure. The drugs allowed him to do that. My point being that these are not mutually exclusive. I would have thought they were but then, I do not abuse either alcohol or drugs so I cannot speak from experience.


Response from f1guyus

Looking For Loopholes
Drug and alcohol abuse have become the crutch these vile excuses for humans use to excuse themselves for the damage they do. "I need help, I need therapy, I need some hot tea". Everybody who get caught doing something they know they shouldn't do has an excuse. EAR was brazen because being brazen worked. If he was a student of military history he probably read what Patton said (I'm working from memory here) "Get 'em running, keep 'em running. Don't let 'em stop and regroup".


Response from SammyT

On the fence again

As with most things in this case, there are arguments for and against.


We know that EAR wasn't always careful - some of his crimes were very impulsive - but lots of things (including the new evidence) seem to support the idea that he was (generally) very into pre-planning.

I doubt he would risk capture by being too drunk or too high.

Sometimes I think EAR may have been a fitness fanatic like that cat burglar Del Rio.

EAR literally had to run for his life on several occasions and even if he was a stoner-jock type, I doubt if he was popping pills, snorting coke or speed or drinking bottles of whiskey before going out on the prowl.

Drink a few beers and then go for a run if you don't believe me!

No way anyone on coke or speed could outrun sober police officers.

However, there are many suggestions that EAR was linked to illegal drugs and cigarettes so maybe Arch is right and EAR did need to 'fortify his nerves' before a crime.

Although Dahmer, Gacy, Dennis Nilsen etc etc were attacking victims on home ground, and so could get intoxicated knowing that they would not be climbing fences or outrunning officers as they had no need to leave the crime scene.

As with so much in this case, counter theories are often as likely as the original theories!

Response from f1guyus

I had a long and very rewarding career in the business world. The one thing that really p****d me off was having some lazy good for nothing take four day weekends, complain endlessly about the work he was asked to do and when you finally had him nailed slide out the dope and alcohol card and ask for a program or counselling or forgiveness or something so he could eat without working. We didn't have many but the ones we had ... and you see it over and over with criminals. Our home grown serial killer Wes Shermantine blames meth use (and his partner Lauren Herzog) for all his problems.


Response from confidence is the balaclava

Was Bundy lying about the alcohol abuse? It could very well be. But that would not invalidate the larger point of what criminal psychologists and other researchers have found.

I know that one of the suspects in the EAR case passed a lie detector test because he later admitted that he had smoked some marijuana before the test. This person was a pathological liar and managed to remain "cool, calm and composed" under pressure. The drugs allowed him to do that. My point being that these are not mutually exclusive. I would have thought they were but then, I do not abuse either alcohol or drugs so I cannot speak from experience.
Do you think Bundy could have pulled off what he did while he was drunk? I dont.
He was a compulsive liar, he did what they all do iniially, which is blame it on something else than them: MPD, drugs alcohol, its all bullshit. Did TB drink? Yeah. And I dont believe it was to diminish his inihibitions. It was to relieve his boredom when he wasnt hurting and killing women ad to dull his senses. If he and the rest of them were drunks it was not when they were hunting and killing, becasue THAT is when they flelt their most alive. They also knew they were not normal, they couldnt share their true selves wth anyone intimately, and the most intelligent ones knew they were probably not going to live a long life. Before TB went on the spree in Florida, he was drinking more and more, he says. Maybe. He was on te run, he was depressed, on some level he must have been aware they would catch up to him soon. I think the reason his composure was unravelling at the end was due to drinking. And that it was possibily a few things going on there: that the stress he was living under plus the alcohol he was drinking to make the stress go away caused physical changes in his brain. Its mentioned that he was basically devolving. I think it was stress on whatever mental illness/es he had along with the psychopathy. (And as Ive said before, there is/are physical reasons for psychopathy, also.)
Do you honeslty think that he was drink when he drove miles into the mountains to take his victims, or knew his way back to the spots so he could rape their dead bodies? Did he drink himself into taking heads back to his home ,and was he drunk all the time they were there and he violated them? I dont this so. I think he had some seriously effed up paraphilias that he happily indulged in because it made him feel good.

Did ears drink those beers? Maybe. Was he drunk before during or after his attacks? No. Was he drunk while he was home and bored? Maybe, sometimes. TB grabbed -as was said once-- loose people. He grabbed most of the victims due to being out and about, opporttunity. Ears did not. He didnt just sneak around, he did surveilance. He meticulosly planned, he probably planned more than he offended, because the planning and fantasy were exciting for him. One of the psychiatrists in ST mentioned that by the time he got in the house, the fantasy would then go downhill for him, because he derived pleasure from the planning, etc. You dont do that when youre drunk. Youre not on anything that will impair you r faculties and coordination when you are trying to fnd your way back to a house or escape route in the dark of night, etc.
I dont believe he was an addict of any sort , other than the obvious ones: the fantasies and crimes. The issue of drug addiction is a blind alley.
The ony way the issue of him doing drugs would have anything to do with this case, is if you thought walter hamilton sold him his dope.
As for drinking, if the journal entry is real, then he was a motormouth as a kid, and might have been one as an adult. Or maybe just when he was drunk? If that were true, then he might have told some people some sketchy things about himself, dont you think?


Response from confidence is the balaclava


He was also not a large man. So drinking two beers at a home would give him a buzz,especially since he was running around and it would speed up his metabolism.

And speaking of... if he was a kid with ADHD it would explain how he acted either as the Visalia Ransacker or in the homes, running back and forth, getting into everything.

Not that he needed an excuse for doing that, but he always seemed to be to be like a fly in a jar.
Or a kid in a candy shop/


Response by Jules_Maigret76

Bundy
If he smelled like alcohol during his attacks then it would have been noted. It seems like the break-in and bondage would have been such a rush for him that drinking a couple of beers would take the edge off. He played so many games about his motivations or where he came from that for all anyone knows he could have asked for drugs from his victims just to throw LE off even more.

Ted Bundy could have definitely done what he did while drunk. I live in Seattle and to get out of the city and into the forest can be done in 15 minutes. I do a lot of hiking at Cougar Mountain, Tiger Mountain and Squak Mountain, famous dumping grounds for Bundy. In fact Green River is close by as well. Its not a stretch that he could drive out to any of these places intoxicated or high. I'm not sure EAR is the same, especially his obsession with complete control, you'd think he'd want to be on his A game during the attacks.


Response by DarlaJones

I doubt drugs were involved at all. EAR/ONS was clearly on a mission when he made up his mind to attack. Even in the situation, where he was spotted outside the house before he could surprise the victims, he still attacked. The moment he saw the victims, he was in charge and highly motivated. Every thing about his strange behavior during the attacks that was reported by the witnesses, suggests to me that all the rapes were fantasized and planned for as murders. IMO, he did anything and everything he wanted with the victims because he was planning on killing them everytime, but for some reason did not. When he finally killed, he realized that it was what he wanted all along, and continued to do his same MO with the killing, too. IMO, it was a close call for everyone who was ever attacked by him.


Response from m13

This is an interesting thread. In regard to whether or not he drank or needed to drink while offending,...irrelevant.
If you have ever been to an AA meeting you know that the vast majority of addicts and alcoholics are on the far end of the sociopathic spectrum. As with Bundy, Dahmer, Gacy or any other of their ilk, addicts are all engaged in compulsive behaviours with no regard for others. Self gratification. The two things are symptoms of the same phenomena so of course there will be a great degree of overlap.

[Drifter]

Topic: Reverse Engineering
Poster: Arch

Reverse Engineering

Every time a creep like Richard Hirschfield is caught via CODIS, I step back and ask "how could he have been identified without DNA?" This is especially useful in the cases where the investigators are surprised by the DNA match (as in the case of Hirschfield). I asked a similar question when it was revealed that Jack Jessup was not among the list of suspects in the Woolly Rapist case.

Clearly, Hirschfield should have been on the list of suspects in the Riggins/Gonsalves case. And he was not. Clearly, Jessup should have been on the list of the suspects in the Woolly Rapist case. And he was not. Do you see a pattern developing here? Drifter points out that there has not been resolution in the EAR/ONS case for over 30 years.

Looking at these two cases (and other similar cases) provides some insight as to why. It is because investigators were not looking in the right places for their suspects. Both Hirschfield and Jessup could have been placed on their respective suspect lists by simply looking at paroled offenders. Both of these men had criminal pasts that were similar enough that they should have been identified and looked at.

I do not know who first said it, but "the best predictor of future behavior is past behavior". Apparently, this is even more so with criminal offenders.

"The best predictor of criminal behavior is a history of criminal behavior, and past violence will suggest a probability of future violence. A history of criminal behavior is the best predictor of criminal recidivism regardless of whether the offender is mentally disordered or normal (Bronta, Law and Hanson, 1998)....Furthermore, the more frequently the behavior as occurred in a variety of situations, the more accurate will be the predictions. Someone who frequently manifests violence across many different situations will be far easier to predict than a person who is only occasionally violent in some situations."

So, here are some random thoughts regarding this. First, I wonder how far back have investigators tracked the EAR's "bizarre burglaries" in Sacto. Apparently, they simply "appear" in Sacramento around 1976. The fact that investigators believe that the Visalia Ransacker is also the EAR testifies to this (the idea that the EAR's trail is not any earlier than 1976 in Sacto). If the EAR/ONS is also the Visalia Ransacker, then the next question I would ask is where was he before Visalia? He "appears" in Visalia as well.

I am still not sold on the EAR/ONS also being the Visalia Ransacker but at least we know that investigators are exhausting that angle while some us of "outside the box" (on that issue) are looking elsewhere. I am of the opinion that if the EAR/ONS was a paroled sex offender, then (like Hirschfield) he was in prison somewhere in 1974-75 and paroled (back?) to the Sacramento area.

If I am correct about the EAR's age in 1976 (25 to 30 as opposed to 18 to 25) then he has a past. The EAR profiles suggest this as well. This means (to me) that the EAR has a past criminal record and his name can be found by looking there and finding out EVERYONE who was paroled to the Sacramento area from 1976 on back. There seems to be an incubation period and these mature sex offenders seem to strike away from where they actually reside. Hirschfield kidnapped Riggins/Gonsalves somewhere in or near Davis (I think) and the Woolly Rapist was paroled to West Sacto while offending in Sacramento. This is food for thought while attempting to look in the areas where the EAR offended. Only a fool would commit crimes near where they actually lived and the EAR was no fool. He might strike where he used to live or near where he worked (or near where friends lived).

Another thought that I had about past behavior is Contra Costa County. The investigators did such a thorough canvass in CCC, going way past the normal canvass boundaries, and the EAR's name still didn't turn up. The EAR was sophisticated enough at that point to not leave a paper trail for investigators to follow.

I believe that this pattern will remain consistent all the way to Southern CA. I do not think that investigators will ever find his name in any Southern CA investigation or by datamining. The only exception would be Irvine but even then, if it turns up at all, it would turn up post 1986. There is circumstantial evidence that the EAR was in Sacramento in that gap period. So he either returned to the Sacramento area (as he did on 3/20/79) or he never left the area.

Incidentally, Drifter's "EAR in a van" theory might come into play here. It is possible that the EAR was living in his van while in CCC and SoCal. Didn't Blinkyred see a van at one of the homes in the housing construction areas? I do think that his family in Sacramento (or Goleta) will be found via datamining. He most likely used Mama EAR's address while in Sacramento and most likely stayed with her while on parole (if the EAR was a convicted offender).

It should be apparent to everyone now that a CODIS "cold hit" is unlikely at this point. I still hold out hope for a partial match should one the the EAR/ONS' family members end up in the penal system. So the more difficult questions are how do we identify the EAR/ONs without DNA? The reverse engineering of other cases provides some answers.

Response from Arch

Follow-Up Thought
Could the addresses of either Richard Hirschfield or Jack Jessup be found in the phone directories, etc? I will check that out next time I am at the library. If not, then most likely the EAR/ONS name will not be in those directories, either.

Aother Follow-Up Thought
There was another paroled sex offender who was Don Richard's top suspect. This suspect was cleared (thrice) but if memory serves, he was not on the list of top suspects in the EAR case, either. In all of these separate cases, the question should be why? Past behavior is the best predictor of future behavior and yet these sex offenders were not on the suspect list of unsolved sex offenses. WHY???

Response from PortofLeith

John Floyd Thomas, The Westside Strangler, is the poster child for DNA collecion of past offenders. If Los Angeles law enforcement had not made a concerted effort to obtain DNA from past sex offenders, this quiet insurance adjustor would never have been identified as a 1970's serial killer. The progression of his crimes included first burglaries and rapes, then the Westside stranglings which lasted until 1978. Thomas was arrested for a rape in Pasadena in 1978 because a concerned citizen noted his license plate and he was not connected to the Westside stranglings at the time of this arrest. When he was released from prison, he became the Claremont killer in the 1980's.

So, dedicating resources to collecting DNA on past violent sexual offenders might yield many surprises and many resolved cases. The two detectives sent to collect Thomas' DNA in 2009 most likely thought he was just another past sex offender without any recent offenses. Quite frankly, I'm still shocked that at least two notorius serial rapists from the 1970's are free today. I hope their neighbors check the registries.


Response from Samk

Does anyone know if LE looked at the possibility that ear/ons was in military prison during the 1974-75 period.


Response from Grundle 

I agree that a good predicter of future behavior is past behavior. But it gets complicated here because as far as the general public knows, there haven't been any crimes committed since 1986. So, the only behavior to observe if he is still at large would be behavior shown in everyday life. Unless there are other more recent crimes that link to him.
It seems that something would eventually become apparent. Perhaps more agressive behavior patterns are controlled, but it seems that something somewhere would strike someone as odd, and raise suspicions. The problem is that even at that point, it is still a long reach to actually comfirming any suspicions. I'm not an investigator though, I just read this board, and I really don't know much.


Response from Troy_McClure

gap period between 7/81-5/86
Arch,
What is the circumstancial evidence EAR was back in Sacramento during this period? Anything you can share? We do know he taunted one of the victims by phone in October, 1982. But that call wouldn't necessarily have needed to be made in Sacramento.


Response from Arch

TM,

The phone companies logged all long distance calls for billing purposes. If the call was made, say, from Irvine, investigators would have been able to trace the call to the phone number where it originated. So, (and I am not 100% on this) the call was a toll free call and had to come from the 916 area code. (I think that there were two other area codes that were toll free but I forget where. Any other call outside these area codes would have incurred charges. I recall that there was one area code adjacent to Sacramento that would incur long distance fees after the phone companies were broken up (and it *ed me off).

There are additional reasons why I feel that the EAR/ONS had to have been in the Sacramento area in the gap but unfortunately, I cannot go into any detail on the public forum. It is all circumstantial and as you have seen on this board how just about anything can be interpreted in a variety of ways (some good, some not so good). Suffice to say, I am satisfied that the EAR/ONS was either traveling back to Sacramento from SoCal or he never left Sacramento and, instead, was traveling to SoCal to offend.

As mentioned, Drifter's "EAR living in a van" theory could come into play here. If one takes the idea that the EAR was working in construction in CCC and couple that with the construction ties to Goleta 2, it becomes possible that the EAR traveled to SoCal on a construction job. This is just another possible theory, of course and an old one, at that.

There was an early EAR suspect outed on this board who made deliveries to SoCal. It was a valid theory then and it is a valid theory now. I still believe that the EAR transferred to SoCal and was living in SoCal from 1980 on forward but I continue to consider and reconsider all reasonable possibilities.


Response from ons

Who tellls us that the recorded phone call of ear is really from ear ?


Response from Warren

The van...
One of the victims in Sudden Terror believed EAR left in a van from the noise it made. How you could tell from the '"noise" is beyond me, unless she heard a panel door sliding open. I would think a Volkswagon van wouldn't sound any different than a regular bug.


Response from guessting

[Quoting "ons"]
Who tellls us that the recorded phone call of ear is really from ear ?

LE has personally told me this. I might add that I am not the only one that LE has shared this information with. g


Response from ons

they are confirmed how ? they only hearing a guy whispering lol

Response from ZForce

You raise a good point. Prank phone calls were common place in the days preceding caller ID and *69. Isn't it possible that a prank phone caller just happened to call a former rape victim, which in turn naturally made the victim instantly fearful it was her attacker? He doesn't also necessarily need to live in Sac to make sparse prank phone calls either.


Response from Arch

Are you familiar at all with the EAR/ONS case? If not, there is a lot of case information out there available for you to educate yourself.


Response from ZForce

Responses like this are largely why I don't talk to you. Instead why not try the approach of telling me what I'm missing here. Were there massive amounts of prank phone calls between '82-'85??? If so, I was out of the loop on that info. Besides, It'd be a lot easier for me to "educate myself" if people weren't always creating Richard Hirschfield threads.
 

Response from Arch

You reply to someone whose only purpose here is to be a TITPB and you remark that he/she raises "a good point" in a case where the EAR is renown for calling his victims after he has raped them, and insinuate that the victim, whom he assaulted and terrorized wouldn't be able to recognize his voice and instead, mistook some "prank caller" for the EAR who just happened to call the victim, say similar things that the EAR/ONS said to his victims and sound just like the guy who raped and terrorized her. Yeah, it's possible. It's also possible that Ted Kaczynski is the Zodiac/EAR-ONS/Tylenol Killer, etc. etc. etc. It's also possible that the Goleta crimes were perpetrated by a separate serial offender who just happened to have the same M.O./Signature and DNA profile as the EAR/ONS.

If this is going to be your contribution to the discourse here, I'd prefer that you not reply to my posts.


Response from ZForce

This was in reference to the poster who commented on the "Gonna kill you" whispering, and in which case I can conceed that similar dialogue would have been consistent with prank phone calls of the time. I'm not saying that is isn't EAR, just that we live in a world where suspects get misidentified all the time in cases with much stronger evidence. In the grand scheme of where this conversation was at when I initially posted, I was pointing out that the phone call on its own doesn't necessarily constitute EAR being in Sac for an extended period of time. Hence, the poster in which I was initially replying to did indeed "raise a good point".

Response from TheBadge

Ok Archangel.....
Let's say it was EAR who made the phone call and he was in the Sacramento area....now what? Obviously it didn't help LE get any closer to EAR.


Response from TheGrundle

Archangel76 didn't bring the subject of the phone call up, but was just verifying that it happened. That phone call has been discussed many times on this forum. That phone call has not resolved the case, but it indicates that there were probably other similar phone calls that happened to other victims ( and this is also confirmed by LE). If there are any unknown EAR/ONS (Balaclava thought he should be called the Diamond Knot Killer for good publicity) victims that do not realize who they were victimized by, and also received similar phone calls, it could lead to more evidence being revealed if they recognize the voice or the pattern of speech etc.. Who knows what it could lead to really. That is why publicity is not such a bad idea.

Response from Arch

TB,

I pointed out in some other post that I am looking at a suspect who was verified as being in Sacramento during the gap period and beyond. So the significance of any indication of the EAR being anywhere near Sacramento post 1980 is of great importance. EVERY phone call made by the EAR from the earliest to the last known call where made to Sacramento victims and were not long distance calls (as there would have been a record of such a call). ANY CALL that would have incurred charges would have been logged and as such traceable.

I have enumerated the implications in other posts. I still believe that the EAR/ONS was living in SoCal after 1979. However, in keeping with Drifter's spirit of keeping an open mind, (and in light of the suspect that I am looking at) I am looking for ANY indication that the EAR might have been in Sacramento at a time when the current thinking is that he was in SoCal. I further pointed out that this is actually an old idea. I'm not breaking any new ground here.

The poster with the usid "ons" is on here yanking people's chains. (His usid "ons" would have been your first clue). To take his post seriously and then comment that it was a "good point" (when it wasn't) is insulting to those of us who have been working diligently trying to find closure for the many victims in this case.

His post was an invitation to a circle jerk and he found someone else to join in.

[Drifter]

Topic: Drs. Robert Offerman and Debra Alexandra Manning
Poster: Arch

Dec. 30, 1979 - Drs. Robert Offerman and Debra Alexandra Manning

33 years ago today, the EAR murdered his first known victims. After the failed attempt in Danville, where the EAR possibly believed that his intended victims saw his face (he was putting on his ski mask when he was confronted), he left the South Bay area and turned up in Goleta, CA on Oct. 1, 1979. Still in the Goleta area 3 months later, the EAR presumably went on a mini-burglary spree that ended with him breaking into Offerman's condo.

For the first time ever, the EAR did not separate the male from the female. Dr. Offerman was able to loosen his bindings and appeared to lunge at the EAR. This provided the EAR with the "justification" that psychologists said he needed to commit an act of murder. Psychologists also said that once the EAR murdered, he would need less and less justification to kill again. This apparently was true.

Many things bother me about the Southern CA crimes. We know where the EAR was on October 1, 1979. But where was he between Oct. 1 1979 and Dec. 30, 1979? We know what his usual pattern of prowling, stalking and hang-up phone calls would have been. If the EAR was living (or visiting family or friends) in Goleta, where are the additional "bizarre burglaries" in that 3 month span of time? Where are the victims of prowlings and hang-up phone calls?

Also, if either Prof. Snelling or the Maggiores were his first murder victims, why then did it take so long for him to kill again? The prevailing wisdom (from serial offenders, no less) was that the EAR wanted all along to murder. After he killed Offerman and Manning, he no longer needed justification to kill his victims. If Snelling or the Maggiores were his first murder victims, this "continuum" makes no sense. It theoretically would have been easier for the EAR to kill, yet he committed 20 more rapes after the Maggiores were murdered. If he wanted to kill all along, then what stopped him after the Maggiore debacle (if he was responsible)?

Akin to that question, why did the EAR not have a firearm at Goleta 1? If he moved to Southern CA, would not all of his belongings be there with him? If he had a firearm with him at Goleta 1, why did he not brandish it? Or fire it? Especially after losing control of the last Danville crime scene (where the EAR cr@pped his pants).

Finally, why did it take the EAR so long to return to Goleta?


Response from Sandia

Thanks Arch, May God bless the souls of Dr's Offerman and Manning and may their killer be brought to justice soon. I hope we can get an answer also to so many of these intriguing questions.


Response from Drifter

Very nice summary.

To your questions about Southern California, I would add:

1. Where did he get the dog?

2. How was it that he was able to use the same dog at Goleta 3 ... some 18 months after Goleta 2?

3. Why did the dog never lead to the identity of the ONS?


Response from Arch 

Drifter,

If PI Whitmeyer's information is accurate (and that is a big "if"), the dog was always in Goleta. The EAR took the dog (without the knowledge or consent of the owner) to lead investigators to believe that he was local (when, in fact, he was a transplant from Northern CA). That would address all 3 questions.

The question that I have (and this pertains to Glasby), how did the EAR know that the German Shepherd dog was friendly enough that he could "borrow" it. According to Whitmeyer, Glasby would "borrow" the dog to use as a sentry on his pot farm raid(s).

A related question: why was the dog NOT at Goleta 1?


Response from aus_sherlock_holmes

My ruminations ....

The Maggiores and Professor Snelling murders were operationally necessary (for him) to regain control of situations where he was in danger of losing control. They got in his way; he had to do away with them. He didn't kill them for pleasure. I'm open-minded about the identity of the Maggiores’ killer. There isn't a lot of evidence to connect EAR to the Maggiores. But it’s possible they interrupted him during his activities and he made an on-the-spot decision that ‘these witnesses must die’.

His modus operandi changes in more ways than one as the ONS phase commences, and it’s likely, in my opinion, he was trying to prevent investigators making any links with his previous offending. You recently speculated that someone discovered his identity and told him to stop. That theory is appealing and can explain all of the modifications he made during the ONS stage of his career, e.g. discontinuing the ‘dishes trick’.

So in a sense, the ‘justification’ theory still holds true. If someone threatened his control of a situation, there was a justification to kill. If another person discovered his identity and threatened to expose him (at the end of the EAR phase), that gave him his justification to murder any victims from thereon.

I don’t agree that he always wanted to kill. It’s unbelievable he could commit approximately 50 rapes before he surrendered to murderous urges. He killed when he felt it was operationally necessary.



Response from confidence is the balaclava

“Many things bother me about the Southern CA crimes. We know where the EAR was on October 1, 1979. But where was he between Oct. 1 1979 and Dec. 30, 1979? “

In a cool down period. That would have been his first murder, or his first murder that was fantasy-related. He needed some alone time. Also he needed to lay low, because, you know, murder. Double murder.

“We know what his usual pattern of prowling, stalking and hang-up phone calls would have been. If the EAR was living (or visiting family or friends) in Goleta, where are the additional "bizarre burglaries" in that 3 month span of time? Where are the victims of prowlings and hang-up phone calls?”

Why isnt this indicative of him changing it up to not get caught?
It is also a significant change for him. He has upped his game to reflect his fantasy now. He was planning on killing even before he did, and it was in Goleta, right?The computer programmers who got away, it sounded as if he was truely going to kill them. I beielve he peeped around and found a victim, but tmight have thought the robbies were more risky for him since he was going to be murdering now. Also the hang up calls...he made them to a lot of houses in an area, houses he either wasnt going to hit or didnt get the chance to hit. It was surveilance, yes, but I also think he was doing the crank calls and those to get off sexually. Its a lowlevel thrill for him t, especially if he were saying obscene things like ‘why dont you talk to me while i masturbate.’ Or to just hear a woman unaware of who she was answering the phone to, someone who could break in and rape her. I dont think he needed to do that when he was amping up to murder, because that was what he was consumed with , then.

“Also, if either Prof. Snelling or the Maggiores were his first murder victims, why then did it take so long for him to kill again? The prevailing wisdom (from serial offenders, no less) was that the EAR wanted all along to murder. After he killed Offerman and Manning, he no longer needed justification to kill his victims. If Snelling or the Maggiores were his first murder victims, this "continuum" makes no sense. It theoretically would have been easier for the EAR to kill, yet he committed 20 more rapes after the Maggiores were murdered. If he wanted to kill all along, then what stopped him after the Maggiore debacle (if he was responsible)?”

They dont always follow a pattern. They can kill once in their teens, go for years, then kill again. Those Snelling & Maggiore kills were reflexive kills (if he did them) as he was fleeing (eg shooting the persuing boy in the gut). They had nothing to do with his fantasies. And his rapes and murders were fantasy driven. Killing someone in a defensive way wouldnt give him the sexual high that raping and murdering a helpless woman would. His continuum is for pleasure driven killing. The OffermanManning kiling probably did nothing but give him a rush. He broke the barrier to his fantasies, there: he killed in a setting where he was going to fulfil a sexal fantasy, finally. When hen the next attack came round, the Smiths, that was the real start of making his fantasies completely real.


“I don’t agree that he always wanted to kill. It’s unbelievable he could commit approximately 50 rapes before he surrendered to murderous urges. He killed when he felt it was operationally necessary.”


He always wanted to kill, deep down, because it was his sexuality. Somehow for this guy violence towards women got fused into his sexuality. Hard wired. That isnt a lifestyle choice, that was who he was and what his sexual desires were all about. You cannot change that if its hard wired. You can masturbate to your thoughts and stay away from women or consenually act out scenarios with willing women, but he diidnt because he was a psychopath and had all the hallmarks of it that make acting out his fantasies possible.


Did he consciously want to move on to murder from his rapes? No; he knew it was wrong, I believe, and that he would be putting himself at a much greater risk of being caught. And that would be loss of power and humiliation, two things that could make him cry just thinking about it ;p


But he didnt really care about the women. He was probably masturbating to true crime magazines that detailed and depicted murders of women since he was in his teens. Hes got the scripts in his head. He is a powerdriven sexual sadist. He was more than likely not holding back from masturbating to fantasies wherein he killed women. He nurtured the fantasies and they gre ad got bolder. So initially, for as long as he can, he keeps all that only in his head; its too dangerous, and its the ultimate taboo. Then after he rapes so many women and gets away with it, his ego is pumped up, he can do no wrong, he has made all his dreams come real, whats left but the final frontier, something more exciting. He’s gathered the necessary componets to make it real now. He wanted it. He would have not had to push himself so hard to do it (talking to himself to get in the zone, possibly tying Offerman too loosely) if it werent something he really wanted.


“Finally, why did it take the EAR so long to return to Goleta?”

Good question. Maybe he had his hunting grounds and he had seen another potential victim there that was high on his list of whom he wanted to kill. It may have not been who he ended up killing. Pool said that in the murder cases of the women who were raped and part of a couple, they had had sex prior to him attacking. If that was his trigger, he may have, in his neighborhood peeping, come across a couple having sex just by chance one night and went for it.


Also, he may have thought that they wouldnt expect him there again. Thats the story of his career: ill hit and then hit close again, and youll look like the fools who cant catch me when im right under your nose.


Response fro DanCartell

Expanding on the points highlighted- assuming EAR did indeed kill Prof Snelling , that gap between the first murder and subsequent murders is what usually occurs with a lot of serial offenders be they rapist or murders. The time period first and second offence is usually very long as the offender is apprehensive about detection but after the second offence it gradually gets shorter as the offender feels confident about "getting away with it" - a good example off the top of my head is Dahmer- he first killed in his teens then went for some years without killing before resuming again and after resuming the period of time between murders got shorter and shorter as he progressed, similarly someone like the Potomac rapist also had a long period between the first rape and the second and with rapes 3,4,5 the period was noticeably shorter.......


Response from DanCartell

I don’t agree that he always wanted to kill. It’s unbelievable he could commit approximately 50 rapes before he surrendered to murderous urges. He killed when he felt it was operationally necessary.
What you say makes a lot of sense regarding Prof Snelling being killed for operational reasons wereas later (in SoCal) there was the sexual fantasy element added.....
The theory of someone close to EAR suspecting him of involvement in the crimes hence forcing him to change MO is very interesting because after some papers and one of the SBSD detectives speculated about the couples murders being linked to EAR in a news article in 1981 , EAR suddenly went quiet , I couldnt help but wonder if all this is somehow connected......


Response from Drifter

Arch, your fourth paragraph, about Snelling and the Maggiores, is quite logical and well reasoned. I've never seen any justification to connect EAR/ONS to either of those other two crimes. And as you've said before, if the EAR/ONS is caught, it will be a result of his EAR or ONS specific crimes.

Your comment that the ONS did not have the dog at Goleta 1 is interesting. Would seem that between October 1st and December 30th he must have interfaced with someone who knew about the dog. Otherwise, how would he have known to select that particular dog? The idea that he randomly picked a dog that just happened to be cooperative is way too coincidental.

So who did he contact? Would imply that ONS was not a total loner. Would also imply that he knew either the dog's owner or someone else who knew about the dog. His contact person might have been Glasby. Or it might have been someone Glasby knew.

Would suggest some serious investigation into the "bad" cop that moved from Santa Barbara to Sacramento, and who apparently knew Glasby.

I still think that there is either a military or cop angle in the EAR/ONS attacks that we know nothing about. I also think that of all the attacks the guy made in northern California and southern California, the Goleta attacks offer the best avenue for an investigative breakthrough.


Response from Arch

Cool Down Period

I could be wrong, but I'm not sure if the typical "cool down period" associated with serial killers applies to the EAR/ONS. The EAR/ONS first and foremost was a serial rapist. Rape is what was consistent from his first attack in June 1976 to his last known attack in May 1986. The usual examples given such as Dahmer or Ridgway apply to serial killers not serial rapists. The obvious difference is that the two aforemention offenders were not serial rapists turned serial killers. I think it is an important distinction.

The EAR/ONS' "fantasies" were rape-centered and eventually evolved to include murder. It is debatable whether he fantasized about killing his victims all along. That is a question that ultimately only the EAR/ONS can answer. Approx. 1 month after the Maggiore murders, the EAR was back to raping. According to the "experts" ie other serial offenders, if the EAR was responsible for the Maggiore murders, he would have found it easier to kill his next victims.

One of his Davis victims put up a real fight. The EAR beat her into submission, breaking her nose and cutting her with a nail file. One would have thought that she would have been his next murder victim as she provided him with ample "justification" (again, if the Maggiore were, in fact, his first murder victims). But she was only beaten and cut for her non-compliance. I will leave Prof. Snelling out of this scenario for now.

There is no evidence that any of the Southern CA female victims offered any resistance and yet, after the EAR crossed the threshold from rapist to murderer, ALL of the subsequent victims died as predicted not only by the Sacramento psychologists (based on their consultations with other serial offenders) but also with criminal psychologists from Santa Barbara.

As to justification, there is no indication that Sgt. Maggiore confronted anyone. From ALL witness accounts, Sgt. Maggiore as well as Katie were fleeing their attacker(s). So from the standpoint of the EAR being the perpetrator of those murders, the "justification" present in the other EAR-suspected shootings was not there. Prof. Snelling, Det. McGowen, Rod Miller, Offerman and Sanchez were shot confronting the EAR. Other victims (or intended victims) resisted and that, apparently, did not provide the EAR with the "justification" he needed to kill.

Intended victim #3 resisted and was beaten. Victim #4 was struck for no apparent reason. Victim #13 got hold of his gun and was beaten. The male in attack 17 knocked the dishes over twice trying to loosen his bindings but was not shot (or even struck). Attack 21, the EAR threatened to kill his next two victims and reiterated the threat during attack 22. As mentioned, Victim 34 resisted and was beaten, not murdered. The Danville husband confronted the EAR and was not shot. Goleta 1 not only resisted, they escaped. The EAR didn't beat or cut either victim. Stan Los was not shot at pursuing the EAR (probably because the EAR did not have a firearm).

Why were the Santa Barbara criminal psychologists able to accurately predict that the EAR would kill again after Offerman and Manning were murdered? Lyman and Charlene Smith were the EAR/ONS' first "fantasy-based" murder not Offerman/Manning. The contiuum of violence (mentioned by Senior Crown years ago) is quite predictable within the context of Offerman/Manning providing the EAR/ONS with the "justification" and lowering the threshold for future acts of murder. The Snelling murder and the Maggiore murders do not fit that predictable continuum, IMO.

If the EAR committed the Maggiore murders, then we would have expected to see that type of violence seen after Offerman/Manning. One reasonable explanation is that the EAR was not responsible for the Maggiore murders. The Snelling murder is still an open question as the EAR did show a propensity to use deadly force when confronted.


Response from Arch

Drifter,

It seems as though the EAR wanted investigators to believe that he was a local yokel (if they ever tracked down the dog). And it worked. Initially, I believed that if the dog was ever found, so, too, would the EAR/ONS. I was snookered as well. Gary Ridgway was smart enough to leave false clues that confounded investigators. The EAR/ONS appears to be a lot smarter than Ridgway. It looks like most of what the EAR/ONS said and did was intended to leave false clues and mislead investigators.
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Response from aus_sherlock_holmes

He Didn't Want To Kill
Arch, most if not all of the questions you raise in your second last post above are answered if we accept that he did not want to kill his victims, and did so only to stay in control and cover his tracks. There are a few bits of evidence in Sudden Terror that suggest, to me anyway, that this very ill man was trying to fight his demons, however unsuccessfully.


Response from greg

Aus, I disagree in some respects. I agree he was a very sick individual, but I feel that killing was always on his agenda. The killing had to be the way he planned it and not shooting his victims. Shooting was his act of defense to evade capture. It was not how really wanted to hurt or kill his victims. He wanted that aspect to be much more personal and brutal. Looking at his actions throughout ST you can see it building to this. As Crompton and others said he needed the justification.


Response from DanCartell

Regarding the cooling down periodd I think its evident in EAR`s first rapes, rape number 1 was in June , number 2 was in july roughly 4 weeks later then another 4+ weeks between number 2 and 3 , interestingly enough by October the period between rapes went down to a period of days and finally culminated in him attacking 2 times on the same date and then all hell broke loose..........
You have raised some very interesting points regarding the Maggiore murders and based on those points the EAR connection to the Maggiore murders , to me,looks like its hanging by a thread or should that be by that shoelace found which really raises a few questions and leaves me wondering :- if you factor out the shoelaces found , is there a strong case for EAR being responsible for the Maggiore murders ?, I just dont see it based on the information openly available.....


Response from Sandia

Operational vs. Justification, catalyst, cooling off

I believe that EAR/ONS always wanted to kill because that is what the profilers predicted and that is the opinion of LE and it turned out they were right.

"IF" EAR/ONS killed Prof. Snelling, shot at Officer McGowen, shot Rodney Miller, and "IF" he killed the Maggioris, it seems the reason was to escape or possibly kill witnesses. I wonder if he was following the Maggioris like he did that couple in Goleta and if big strong MP Brian Maggiori confronted him. Then again maybe EAR/ONS was not the VR and was not the one who killed the Maggiori's.


I am thinking that the last attack in Danville where he almost got caught and soiled his pants so humiliated and enraged him that perhaps this was the catalyst!!! to finally do what he had previously threatened to do and to actually kill the next two victims.

It seems like he was trying to pysch himself up to do just that -- kill. He was chanting over and over "I'll kill them" even though they had not resisted to that point. Since they got away, unfortunately the next two victims, Offerman/Manning, were killed and he brought a gun this time. He would probably have shot at H/H if he had a gun.

Why didn't he have a gun at H/H? Could it be that since he was new to town he hadn't had the opportunity to steal one yet. Wasn't he is the habit of stealing the guns and then throwing them away or am I wrong about that?

I also wonder if he purposely left Dr. Offerman loosely tied so that he would lunge at him, offering him his justification, and he was ready for him with a gun. He had previously taunted a couple to reach for a gun that he had previously unloaded.

Regarding the cooling off period, there was no cooling off period between H/H and O/M because H/H were not killed.

Regarding no burglaries in the 3 months between H/H and O/M, could it be that he left town after H/H and continued down the coast and came back 3 months later to finish what he started? It's just a thought to consider.

Besides the 5 burglaries the night of O/M and the dog stabbing 2 weeks before H/H in the S/D neighborhood, I have not heard of any activity in that gap. (Actually I have conflicting information on the dog stabbing dates. Was it 2 weeks before H/H or was it 7/15/81?)

He was one you didn't say no to. One of the first attacks in Sacramento comes to mind where the young girl saw him through her bedroom screen and ran out screaming to her mother, Rose, and the mother and two daughters were running around in the house screaming. He came back!!! crashing through her bedroom window screen instead of running away. Same thing with the little boy that spotted him in the back yard. He was such a bold weirdo! It is that sort of mentality I think of as to why he came back to Goleta. (Who knows, I am just surmising and can be off base here).

I do know that he dropped the twine in the condo next to O/M and along the path by the creek under the bridge adjacent to the condo and up No. Kellogg to the corner of Queen Ann which was right along side the home of H/H. Was this to freak them out and let him know he was still around and right outside of their house. I would imagine it did freak them out badly. Just to let them know he is still around and killing and can come back for them.

I cannot see any evidence that any of the victims south of Goleta resisted, so it seems like his justification was no longer needed after O/M and now the space of attacks did get longer. Not that long though -- between O/M and the Smiths, only 3 months, 5 months till the Harringtons, 6 months till Manuela, and 5 months till D/S and of course 5 years until Janelle.

Does anyone know if there were a lot of prowlings and burglaries spread out in these gaps or were the burglaries etc. just within days of the murders? Had he move to So. Cal or was he traveling from Sacramento to So. Cal (his killing fields) every 3 to 6 months.

Here is a thought, it is suspected that he came from a well to do family, could he have had access to a family plane? If not, the drive isn't that far. Only about a 6 to 6 1/2 hours trip to any of the So. Cal locations from Sacramento and only every 3 to 6 months.

I do like the computer lab connection at UCSB though. Did he move to Goleta and use that as his base of operations and travelled down south from there back and forth? It's only about 35 min. to Ventura and 2 1/2 hrs to Irvine and 2 hrs 40 min to Dana Point.

One day soon, God willing, we will know. Happy New Year!


Response from DanCartell

You raise some very interesting points and possibilities-

1.) it never occurred to me that the reason he didnt have a gun in Goleta 1 was because maybe he hadn’t stolen one yet, given his past pattern of behavior its a very interesting possibility...........

2.)Thats a good observation regarding the couple he taunted about reaching for their gun !

3.)Regarding EAR dropping his twine in that neighborhood in Goleta I couldnt help but wonder if maybe EAR dropped some shoelaces in the Sacramento neighborhood backyard were the Maggiores were later shot and that is maybe how those shoelaces came to be found at the Maggiore crime scene.........

Now regarding whether EAR moved to SoCal for his crimes , its very interesting that there were reports of prowlers in the week leading up to the Smiths murders and in the days following the murders , and it has been suggested that he saw the news reports of the ligatures used on the Smiths then altered his behavior..........that to me suggest s he was resident in SoCal at least in the period around those particular homicides......

Response from Sandia

Hi Dan

That's a good point about seeing the news reports indicating he was still in the area. However the paper probably came out the day after or two days after but that would definitely be good to know.

I don't know what to think regarding if he actually stayed in Sacramento and traveled south for whatever reason or if he moved south. If he came south how long did he stay, days? a week? It would be good to know about dates of break in's and prowlings in the area, for how long they were going on and as you mentioned the date the newspaper article came out.

I got to thinking more about the plane idea. Remember in the book that when he was out of town (was it Modesto?) he was picked up by taxi at an airport and dropped off near homes that were being built that nobody lived in yet. Well there's a plane connection!! and how did he know about the homes? real estate connection? And it is thought he came from a well to do family, owning a small private plane or having use of it seems like a possibility. Getting on a commercial airliner from Sacramento to Modesto seems less likely.


Response from Arch

AusSH,

The Maggiores were killed by someone who absolutely and unequivocally wanted them dead. Both were chased down and shot. There was no confrontation at that point. And even if Sgt. Maggiore confronted his attacker initially, Katie posed no threat whatsoever. The perpetrator allegedly was wearing a ski mask so there was no way for her to identify him. (However, this "detail" was added while the witness was under hypnosis so it is unreliable. Initially, the witness described the perp's hair color and length, impossible to do it the perp was wearing a ski mask). The EAR never chased anyone down and shot them. He always shot at people who were pursuing him. Additionally, the EAR travelled backyard to backyard to elude pursuers. The Maggiore killer ran along the streets with a gun in his back pocket. Does anyone seriously believe that is how the EAR carried his weapon? (Recall the Ninja Turtle sketch of the EAR from the Stockton attack).Ninja Turtle


Response from Arch

The Twine

"I also wonder if he purposely left Dr. Offerman loosely tied so that he would lunge at him, offering him his justification, and he was ready for him with a gun. He had previously taunted a couple to reach for a gun that he had previously unloaded."

That certainly is possible. However, I think that the EAR changing his ligatures was partly responsible for Offerman getting loose. The shoelaces were tested and reliable for approx. 50 261's. The EAR could not use shoelaces or the dish-stacking in Southern CA or investigators would have been on to him for sure. So, he switched the bindings to this untested and unreliable twine. It resulted in Offerman almost getting loose. He abandoned using the twine after the Offerman/Manning attack.

The real question is WHY did the EAR choose that particular twine that had roofing applications and where did he get it from? Who does roofing in October and December? WHY did he still use it after Goleta 1 and why didn't he use it in Ventura? (I kind of answered the last question).


Response from briffyboy

Also he
Broke into the house next to Offerman/Manning and left a lot of twine lying about.Did he have so much twine that it was falling out of his pocket or was he placing it there?It is strange,Was he leaving it for a taunt?what do you think Arch/everybody?


Response from Repoman

Arch,
Very interesting point about the contradictory statements made by this witness after being repeatedly interviewed and hypnotized. According to guessting the gun in the back pocket started out as a possible bulge and after repeated interviews and hypnosis suddenly became a gun. You can't run with a gun in your back pocket as described by the witness and shown by the Police artist sketch. Guns are heavy and with the handle already sticking out it would certainly quickly work itself out. Maybe someone reading this can take a unloaded pistol put it in your back pocket with the handle hanging out and then run down the street. I bet it falls out. So no I do not believe that the EAR carried his gun that way. I also do not believe that the person who shot the Maggiore's carried it that way either. And if he did between the dark streets and the speed that he was moving, and the distance between the witness and the shooter I don't think the witness could of seen the gun if it was in the back pocket. Her initial statements never mentioned a gun in the back pocket. Don't you think that little detail would of come up when they first talked to her?
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Topic: SAC Trained Killers
Poster: Arch

"SAC Trained Killers"

This is the 320th SPS unit patch most likely worn by the Maggiores' killer. The other one posted is known as a "subdued" unit patch and is usually worn in war zones. I had to post the "subdued" version because I couldn't find the regular one. Someone finally posted a regular unit patch.

320thUnitPatch

One thing of note (and someone please correct me if I'm wrong). Unit patches are most commonly worn on the left shoulder. The Air Force wears their unit patch on their breast pocket. That is where the witness saw the "orange dragon pawing at the air". Another indication of Air Force personnel.

Maggiore Article 2


Response from Arch

Lt. Ray Biondi's Theory

During slow news cycles, newspapers are notorious for speculation. This was done with the Visalia Ransacker. Both the Sacramento Bee and Union printed articles about Det. McGowen believing that the VR and the EAR were one and the same. The SCSD issued statements denying such a connection. The Sacramento Bee and Union printed articles speculating about whether the EAR committed the Offerman/Manning murders. The SBSD issued statements denying a connection.

Neither the Sacramento Bee nor the Union at the time EVER printed a single article speculating that the Maggiore murders were committed by the EAR. Not once. And as pointed out, the EAR had just committed a rape 5 days prior to the murders.

Everyone continues to say that it's "Arch's Theory" and I would love to take full credit for it. It is not my theory. It is Lt. Ray Biondi's theory. He had all of the relevant facts in 1978 and could confer with Sgt. Bevins and Insp. Shelby about the EAR, which was being actively investigated at the time. The phone calls just happened. The double attack on Victims 29 and 30 just happened. Biondi's conclusion, as reported by both the Sacramento Bee and Union, is that the murders were committed by two airmen. The bulk of the investigation was directed at airmen. And it most likely was committed by airmen from the 320th SPS, the self-described "SAC Trained Killers."

How many suspects do you count in this article:

Maggiore Article 7

They both cannot be the EAR. Did Arch print the above article? Or this one:

Maggiore Article 2

Who believes that these are composites of the same person. Where is the grease stain on the back of the green nylon jacket? Why isn't it zippered and gathered at the waist?

Suspects #1 and #2


Response from ?

You Will Never Get It

I still do not get this whole theory about Bryan being undercover. If he was undercover wouldn't LE know about it? So then a) wouln't they of known exactly who did it? and b) wouldn't Arch's LE buddies know by now thirty years later whether Bryan was an undercover agent? The whole thing sounds really far fetched to me.

I never said that Sgt. Maggiore was an undercover agent. I said that an airmen questioned during the investigation said that OTHER AIRMEN on the base BELIEVED that Sgt. Maggiore was an undercover agent and was responsible for the arrests of other airmen.

Bear99 pointed out that Sgt. Maggiore being transfered from Mather could be an indication that he may have actually been an undercover agent. All that matters is that other airmen believed he was an undercover agent. Airmen conducting themselves above reproach would not and should not care if Sgt. Maggiore was an undercover agent. The only ones that would care are people who were involved in illegal activities. Illegal activities that are well documented.

I find the idea that Bryan discovered the drug ring on his own to have more merit. It still doesn't really explain how he was killed very well. And it definitely doesn't explain the laces. Honestly don't you think that saying the EAR did it provides a much simpler explanation? Honestly?

You are right about the simple explanation. The Maggiores bumped into the EAR in a backyard. Cased closed. Let's go have a beer.

"Bumping into the EAR" does not in any way explain why two suspicious men were seen walking together WEST on La Gloria Way minutes before the shooting. The shooting happened approx. two minutes later EAST in a backyard on La Alegria Drive. Who were the two men? They both cannot be the EAR. If one was the EAR and the other was Sgt. Maggiore, then they didn't "bump into the EAR".

It does not explain why the Maggiores walked down La Alegria TWICE, having turned around as they neared the duplex with the lying airmen in it.

It does not explain why the Maggiores turned north and walked up West La Loma Drive when they would typically turn and walk south on West La Loma Drive and return home via Capitales Drive which goes straight into Malaga Way and La Verta Court where they resided. A suspicious person was seen loitering near the corner of West La Loma Drive and Capitales Drive. Later, Mr. 320th Dragon Patch would be seen walking hurriedly on Capitales Drive and later acting suspiciously on West La Loma Drive.

"Bumping into the EAR" does not explain the two conflicting descriptions of men seen fleeing the area of the crime scene. The two conflicting descriptions of the men seen after the shooting generally match the descriptions of the two men seen walking together before the shooting.

And finally, "bumping into the EAR" does not explain why the current investigators say that this person who looks like an airman and was wearing a jacket with an "orange dragon pawing the air" on it resembling the red dragon on the 485th CIG unit decal is the person they believe murdered the Maggiores. The 320th dragon is orange:


Enhanced Composite Sketch

320thUnitPatch


So, the "simple explanation" only works once you have discredited the witnesses and distorted and misrepresented the case facts. If your case involves discrediting the witnesses and distorting and misrepresenting case facts, you literally have no case.

All you have is a shoelace. The shoelace could have been dropped in the backyard at any time BEFORE the shooting. The EAR was prowling the area. He could have been prowling that backyard, dropped the shoelace and left BEFORE the shooting occurred. Or it could have been dropped there purposely after the shooting. The presence of the shoelace does not in any way negate the fact that the Maggiores were stalked by two men BEFORE the shooting. Nor does it in any way negate the fact that two differing descriptions were given of men seen fleeing the area of the murders AFTER the shooting.


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Response from Arch

Details Details Details

Maggiore Article 2

I missed this minor detail from this article. But it is an important one with regards to whether the first witness saw two men walking along La Gloria Way. The current theory is that the suspect with the mustache is Sgt. Maggiore walking west along La Gloria Way with the EAR.

But here is what the newspaper article says: "Another white man, 5 feet, 10 inches tall with a neatly trimmed mustache was observed running away from the crime scene and is also wanted by detectives in the murder."

I think that we can all agree that this person seen running was not Sgt. Maggiore. As I have stated before, two suspects were seen before the shooting. At least two suspects were seen fleeing the area after the shooting. If there were, in fact, two suspects stalking the Maggiores, then this is not a case of the Maggiores "bumping into the EAR" no matter how many shoelaces were found at the scene of the crime.


Response from Repoman

The Bee? The Sacramento Bee? You think that the Sacramento Bee never gets details wrong in it's articles? Okay? If you say so? So all the witnesses reported exactly what they saw that night without any mistakes or distortians from hypnosis or being asked leading questions and everybody that a witness saw was relevent to this case and the Bee perfectly reported all the facts? I have read the Bee for years and I can tell you they often get very basic facts about stories wrong. BTW you remind me of AK the way you keep enlessly reposting you convoluted theory. As if by stating it over and over it somehow becomes more valid. Please restate your theory from beginning to end as your currently see it.


Response from Arch One Other Minor but Important Detail

In the "bumped into EAR" theory, one scenario has it that Thumper, the toy poodle, ran into the backyard of the home on La Gloria Way and when Brian and Katie went into the backyard to retrieve Thumper, they "surprised" the EAR.

There is one small problem with that scenario (a big problem, actually), Thumper would have had to have opened the gate in order to get into the backyard. The fence that was blown down was between the houses on the property line and it was a small section. The gates on both houses were intact. Unfortunately, there was a lock on the gate of the house on La Alegria Drive.

Brian and Katie Maggiore ran into the backyard to escape someone pursuing them on the street. So there is no EAR pulling a gun out of his jacket pocket and the shoelace falling out (a gun with a 4-inch barrel). His gun was already out and he was firing it at the Maggiores BEFORE the reached the backyard on La Alegria Drive.


Response from Arch 
I Am Done...
explaining anything to you. You think the EAR murdered the Maggiores. We get it.


Response from Repoman.
You are clearly playing games.


Response from Repoman

You know that this is not the theory that the detectives on the THS story are proposing. Yet you disort the theory to try and discredit it. This is very strange behavior for someone who claims they want to know the truth. You may want to keep in mind that the way you try and discredit other people's theories says more about you than it does about the other theory. Seriously you should think about that.


Response from Repoman


Here is what the current investigators are saying about these witness statements. "According to a very credible and reliable source I spoke with yesterday,​ a cautious view is held in light of some of the eye witness accounts. During initial and first interviews​ of several of the witnesses many of the "seemingly​ important"​ details were not mentioned.​ One to mention is that during an interview a witness thought there might be something in the pocket. Under hypnosis it became a "bulge" and then even later it became a gun. The same goes with the stain on the back of the jacket. It was not noticed initially and depending on the interview (er) maybe there was something suggestive​. I am not sure. I have to say it would be most difficult to count on anyone to get all these details exact! I am not discountin​g or discrediti​ng anyone. God knows they told their truth, it is just very difficult to say with any certainty,​ considerin​g all the factors, what is accurate and what is not. g"
Yet you continue to act as if every witness account is beyond reproach. Even when we know that is not the case. And yes I do think that the above sketches could be describing the same person. They appear to be almost identical. Think about it. Two witnesses never see things exactly. 



Response from Repoman


What I will never get is why you keep trying to cram this theory down everyone's throat. You are exactly like AK in that regard. You can believe what ever you want. Just don't act like it is the only theory.

Response from Repoman

re: I am done...
explaining anything to you. You think the EAR murdered the Maggiores. We get it.
I am so glad to hear that. It really is becoming tiresome pointing out how convoluted your theory is.


Response from Arch 

Orange Red Yellow Dragons

This is a repost. This post was getting buried in the O/M thread:

320thUnitPatch485th CI


I have located the regular unit patch for the 485th CIG. It is closer to the decal that the witness was shown back in 1978. And the dragon is almost identical to the 320th griffin. It is important to note that the witness never identified the patch. She identified the dragon on the patch. She was specifically asked about whether she remembered the entire patch or just the dragon. She could not remember if there was anything around the dragon but she was certain about the dragon. She was never at any time shown the 320th SPS' unit patch for comparison.

Background on the 485th CIG (later redesignated EIG) is that they install communications equipment. They were based out of Griffiss AFB in New York. Several members were on work assignment at Mather during the time of the Maggiore murders. None of them match the description of the suspects wanted in the Maggiore murders and none of the members were known to have a jacket with their unit patch on it.

349th AMW

Bear99 found the 349th AMW patch a few years back. The 349th also came up during the investigation. They were based out of Travis AFB. None of their members were attached to Mather AFB during the time of the murders. But that does not mean that someone from the 349th could not be involved in the Maggiore murders. The witness was not shown a unit patch from the 349th, either.

320th "dragon" - Orange 485th dragon - Red 349th dragon - Yellow

Sgt. Maggiore was with the 323rd SPS and worked out of the same building as the 320th SPS.

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Topic: Sacramento: Key to Solving All the Cases

Poster: Arch

Sacramento: Key to Solving All the Cases

We are never going to determine what happened in Visalia or what happened to the Maggiores until the EAR/ONS is identified. The Visalia PD was trying to identify the VR longer than Sacramento was trying to identify the EAR and even today, they don't have a clue.

The Ransacker committed at least 125 burglaries, left fingerprints and the best witness in the case is the detective working the case. If someone can attempt to murder a peace officer and this officer is unable to positively identify his assailant, then the case is as close to unsolvable as it gets. Looking in Sacramento for someone who committed crimes in Visalia is an acknowledgement that the case is unsolvable on their end.

There is even less forensic evidence in the Maggiore case. Ironically, the shooter of the Maggiores was probably interviewed during the original investigation. But without fingerprints or DNA, this Adam Henry couldn't even be prosecuted today. The mystery that is the shoelace found at the crime scene will remain just that: a mystery.

Unless the EAR/ONS is positively identified, investigators will not be able to see clearly and accurately judge the Visalia Ransacker case and the Maggiore case on their own merits. Once the EAR/ONS is identified, investigators should then be able to determine if the VR and the EAR/ONS are one and the same. They should also be able to determine if the EAR, in fact, murdered the Maggiores.

Short of that, we will continue to play the glass being half-full/half-empty game of ping-pong.



Response from ONSTracker

If the VR left fingerprints can't they compare them to the finger prints that Larry Crompton has claimed to have saved from the EAR files that the Sac police were tossing?


Response from confidence is the balaclava

Whaa?

"The Visalia PD was trying to identify the VR longer than Sacramento was trying to identify the EAR and even today, they don't have a clue."

They also probably have been using archaic methods to find out who VR was. Im just guessing that they havent used social media snooping or data mining,or done anything much to solve it for years because of budgets? Because you know that they had his semen at some point, and then never held on to it..? Even though VR was fingered for killing Snelling... Does not compute.


Response from Arch

They probably compared them and they didn't match. Far be it from me to say that should be proof positive that the cases aren't connected. Instead, they probably questioned whether the EAR's fingerprint was valid.


Response from Arch


Sexual Burglaries

They also probably have been using archaic methods to find out who VR was. Im just guessing that they havent used social media snooping or data mining,or done anything much to solve it for years because of budgets? Because you know that they had his semen at some point, and then never held on to it..? Even though VR was fingered for killing Snelling... Does not compute.

TCITB,

I'm with you on that. It doesn't compute. Sounds like they threw out (or lost) any evidence of bodily fluids if, in fact, they existed at all. There should be some documentation of serology tests (if there were any bodily fluids found at the crime scenes). If they were able to determine the VR's blood type, then that would be another indication he was not the EAR.

The evidence in the VR's case appears to be of little forensic value as they have not established any link to the EAR/ONS.


Response from PortofLeith

Fingerprints

Dozens if not hundreds of both EAR Sacramento and ONS Goleta POI's were eliminated by fingerprint. The only thing that will identify EAR at this point is DNA. The problem with latent prints is that they could belong to a burglar who had entered a home months before or to a someone who attended a party at the victims home- a pretty loose connection unless it is the only print on a weapon.


Response from Arch

Dozens if not hundreds of both EAR Sacramento and ONS Goleta POI's were eliminated by fingerprint. The only thing that will identify EAR at this point is DNA. The problem with latent prints is that they could belong to a burglar who had entered a home months before or to a someone who attended a party at the victims home- a pretty loose connection unless it is the only print on a weapon.
Or on a bottle of lotion...


Response from PortofLeith

Yes Arch, some missed opportunities there i believe.. . .especially in the cases where he brought the lotion with him.


Response from dengas

In Visalia, I know that they were Re-looking at a couple of guys. I found one of the guy's name on Classmates, 1967 Mt. Whitney yearbook (which is also on Classmates). His name was the last one listed as a member of that class, but he NEVER WENT TO WHITNEY. He graduated from Exeter. Why his name was Whitney, 67, is a complete mystery. I was thinking that maybe LE put it there for some really odd reason.


Response from confidence is the balaclava

But there was another thread recently in where, I thought it was dengas?, said that that guy Russ Whitmeyer had boxes of VR evidence. I dont even know what that would be. Shoe print casts & objects with finger prints on them? I will bet you there are panties with his DNA in there. No man brings lotion to a ransacking because he wants to moisturize his face.


Response from PortofLeith

Panties
Balaclava - I agree with you- you don't need to play with the panties once you own them(at least in a warped demented version of reality)


Response from dengas

There were pictures in the Visalia Times Delta showing boxes and envelopes off evidence.


Response from confidence is the balaclava

So where are they now?

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Topic: 4/14/78 Attack
Poster: Arch

While looking for the information about the possible 4/6/78 attack, I realized two things that make it even less likely that the Maggiore murders were committed by the EAR/ONS. I must stress that this is just my opinion and based on my analysis of the crimes.

The theory is that the EAR/ONS stopped committing crimes in Sacramento AFTER the release of the 4/16/78 release of the composite sketches presumably because of their strong resemblance to him. If the composites from the Maggiore case looked so much like the EAR/ONS, then one would have expected that the witness who saw the EAR running along the Sacramento levee would have said that he looked just like the composites from the Maggiore sketch either from the one released on 2/16/78 or 4/16/78.

To my knowledge, that did not happen. So it makes it less likely that the EAR resembled those sketches with any degree of reliability. I maintain that the reason the EAR left the Sacramento area is not because witnesses saw him in Rancho Cordova on 2/2/78. Witnesses saw him on the Sacramento levee on 4/14/78 and that is when he stopped offending in the Sacramento area.


Response from caseprofiler

Sketch
Is there a sketch from 4/14?

Response from Arch

CP,

Not that I am aware of. There are other composite sketches but only of suspicious persons. It is very difficult to be certain which ones are the EAR and which ones are not. There are some, like the 1977 sketch that strongly resemble the first Maggiore sketch released on 2/278.

The release of that 2/2/78 sketch did nothing to deter the EAR so I am wondering just how closely it resembled him. Not close enough because neither the EAR nor the Maggiore's killer has been identified in all these years via that composite.


Response from Arch

Enhanced Composite Sketch

As mentioned in other posts, the "enhanced composite sketch" from the Maggiore case IS NOT a likeness of the shooter. It is a composite of a 3rd person seen in the area of the shooting who was acting suspiciously.

It is also not a composite of the EAR/ONS. The timing of the release of the sketch is important. It was released on 4/16/78. Two days after the witness saw the EAR running down the Sacramento levee when his attack on the babysitter was interrupted.

That witness most certainly saw the "enhanced composite sketch" either in the newspaper or on tv. It did not prompt her to come forward and say that was the person she saw running down the levee. (Unlike when Kathleen Johns saw the composite of the Zodiac).

So, the release of the "enhanced composite sketch" had no effect on the EAR/ONS. The fact that there was an eyewitness who could identify him (out of a line-up) is most likely what led to him no longer offending in the Sacramento area. So he could not afford to be arrested in Sacramento hence he moved on to greener pastures (Modesto, Davis, CCC and So Cal).

It is still possible that the composite sketch released on 2/16/78 is of the EAR/ONS. However, the wide release of that sketch did not deter him from offending in the Sacramento area. He was sporting a mustache on 4/14/78. Was he trying to alter his appearance because of the sketch released on 2/16/78?

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Topic: Sudden Terror - Thoughts & Impressions
Poster: Arch

Geographic Profile by Dr. Kim Rossmo. Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus. Love the detailed profile of the EAR/ONS. I am glad he did not go into detail about what happened to the ONS victims. I would not be able to take it. I am going back to read it again and this time take my time and write down lots and lots of notes.


Response from dengas

Silver Beaver award
RSO is initials?



Response from 222Urit

When reporting the hangup calls or treatening calls to police during those years, they often put a trap on the victims phone. NEVER once, did the caller make a call while a trap was on the phone. But the next day after it was off, a call. Regarding the diamond knot, did you know the Silver Beaver award from the Boy Scouts of America requires you to be proficient with a diamond knot? There was only one person in Visalia proficient at that and he had a blonde son, and a dark haired grandson. The grandson was described by 2 of his relatives as "diabolical.


Response from AaronTimones

Hello, Mr.(s.?) 222Urit, sir... or perhaps ma'am....

I like your name....

2+2+2 = 6

The sixth alphabet is F.

F + U + R + I + T

equals

FRUITSmile

Intriguing name.


Response from CorkyKneivel

I'm almost finished with this book, have about 100 pages left, and I wanted to chime initially to let SpeakelOfEngrish know I agreed 100% with his assesment of the book and Larry Crompton's writing. I bristled a bit at the grim policeman's view of the world and sense of humor, often thinking it tacky to make jokes about how they'd be so mortified about being "screwed" by the EAR that they'd have no alternative but to commit suicide. Or wishing some annoying citizen vigilante units receive a visit by the EAR. All while Crompton goes out of his way to insist he didn't want to relive or belittle the anguish and trauma of the actual rape victims in any way. But I figured the peronality traits that make him a good cop don't necessarily make him a sensitive human being (or a good writer). I absolutely concur that had this been picked up by a major publisher their would have been major changes, in my opinion the book suffers greatest by its repetition and the jumbled narrative. However, as i said, Larry Crompton is a lawman and not a writer and I must say that I am quite enjoying the book and haven't put it down yet.**


I was born in Rancho Cordova and have been learning about this series of crimes with great interest since coming across a website a few years ago with a picture of a street sign I saw just about every day of my life. It dawned on me how close to the home I grew up in, how close to the parks and the "ditch" I rode my bike in, how integral the bike path and river access I basically spent whole summers on, etc. how the memory of much all of that had now been "spoiled" for me by the thought that EAR cruised through all of these areas. I understood the sentiment often expressed in the book of "feeling" his presence. Of course I'm talking a couple of decades later without, specific knowledge of the crime scenes but I got that same feeling at the opening when EAR was described walking along the RR tracks at Mather Field Rd. I knew so well growing up.

Some questions/thoughts:
I'm a neophyte to a great deal of the information contained in the book, I'm sure the regulars around here were well aware of the majority of it, and I'm curious as to how much of it is "never been revealed"?
Has it always been known that EAR was half naked during the early attacks? How long did that continue?
Did he only do the "tie multiple doors to the bathtub faucet" trick once?
Why no mention of the Maggiores? What is the envisioned scenario for EAR being responsible for their murder? Is it more than just shoelaces being found close to the murder site?
I think I read somewhere on a website about a suspected close encounter with EAR in which he was riding a bike that was discovered as having been stolen from Redding. Is this accurate?
What happened to the suspect, who looked very good, that was topped on Sunrise Bridge during a trap stop? Are the dismissed suspects brough up in the book known suspects to the regulars here on the ear-ons websites?

Creepiest part to me was when the little kid woke up and saw EAR, who told them he was "playing tricks" with mommy and daddy and asked them to come and watch. Sick gnikcuf dratsab.


** - The only aspect I actually don't like is Crompton's attitude regarding the public inaction and failure to report suspicious activity. I don't think I'd have such a problem with it if he didn't so openly mock several instances when people did contact LE. Not only that but oftentimes the public called in but there wa sjust no report filed. Most egregious, considering how much blame Crompton places with the public for not reporting noises in the backyard or cars that don't belong, is there are instances in which EAR was on scene and police don't find him. Not even a clue. How in the blue hell did EAR walk away, being seen, from a crime scene, naked from the waist down, with a patrol car showing up a minute later, and NOT GET STOPPED?
How old was the kid he told to come watch? and did the kid witness the events? ......Interestingly the point about EAR leaving a crime scene naked from the waist down would lead me to suspect that maybe the guy did probably carryout crimes were he exposed himself to women and/or young girls


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By DanCartell
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2 years ago
683 Posts
Re: Re: Sudden Terror - Thoughts & Impressions

Response from erikdavid5000

Wonderful book! Reads like a novel in the best way. Crompton knows how to write!

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and assume that MOST of the various suspicious vehicles seen near crime scenes before/after/during were not EAR. I see cars I don't recognize in my neighborhood/on my street everyday but since (thank god) there haven't been any crimes, I've never been asked IF I've seen any suspicious vehicles. I'd say the only ones that might have been EAR were ones that had consistent descriptions. However, if this bastard perhaps worked as a garage mechanic (or was the son of a mechanic/garage owner) he would, in fact have access to any vehicle that was being kept overnight awaiting repair the next day. Or maybe he worked at a used car lot (or had parents who did) there ARE possibilities that would account for him having access to several vehicles unless he was going around and breaking into cars/hot-wiring them and then parking them exactly where they were before with no one noticing. I wonder if the police ever looked into such possibilities.
Archangel 76 said, "We are still trying to figure out the riddle of the EAR having access to multiple vehicles without the owner's knowledge." I was thinking of the car overnight mechanic too, but what does Arch mean "without the owner's knowledge."? A bodyshop might hold a car (and keys) for several days that was perhaps mechanically sound but getting repaired or painted. Tow companies, too, have lots of vehicles that get towed for DUI or parking violations and are still running and accessible to employees. Tow companies also have employees on the job 24-7, during those late-night/early morning hours that EAR offended. As you said, hot wiring a random car would afford EAR the opportunity to take/return a vehicle. It would have been less of a risk, too, to take a random car on the street than for EAR to try sneaking into an occupied home to find some keys in sight, potentially waking the household up with the noise of their own car starting. Some have wondered if EAR worked in the health field. I wonder what business would have employees keys accessible during the late night/early morning hours where EAR could "borrow" a car and return it by morning. What if he was a house sitter. He might have access to his employers vehicle--let's say he took them to the airport and kept their car to save them parking fees, then picked them up upon return. Maybe EAR was a bartender and had access to keys of people who took a cab home for the night. He could have lifted keys of inebriated patrons and been the hero the following day when he called them to say, "Hey, Pops, I found your lost keys!"


Response from ladyofthelake

I read the book twice. I felt exasperated reading another and another and another incident of rape and terrorism. For this, I think Crompton did an effective job as a writer. Not far into the book,I felt extremely disgusted by the reprehensible ICK that EAR is/was.


Response from f1guyus

You Should Have
Lady of the Lake, you should have been in NorCal then. Or known one of the victims. Without telling the entire story of the attacks, (have to leave some stuff out just in case they ID The creep) Det Crampton does a great job of telling the story.


Response from SpeakelOfEngrish

First, I will admit that I do not plan to give this book a linear reading. At close to 500 pages, and given that I don't see it as a "work" to be approached as such, in any literary way, I am compelled to read it in a fragmented, nonlinear manner.

I will also refrain from criticisms of Crompton's writing—except to point out that there's a good deal of political incorrectness (e.g., his usage of "Oriental," and elements that could be perceived as homophobic) that would not have survived printing had Sudden Terror been picked up by a major publisher (or, at the very least, those atittudes would have been relegated to dialogue). He's a retired police investigator, not a writer, and wrote this book entirely on his own, so I didn't expect great prose. That said, the writing is a good deal better than I expected; I have read large blocks of it and have been consistently engaged. Literary pretensions are kept at a minimum, and he provides a wealth of facts and details in the manner of a police report, although not as dryly. For those who have yet to purchase this, the e-book is inexpensive enough ($5 plus change), and Sudden Terror is essential reading for anyone with a serious interest in the EAR-ONS crimes.

In a previous post perhaps in another thread, GoldenRule alluded to some "shocking" and "potentially explosive" new information contained in Crompton's book that he felt inappropriate and taboo to reveal here, but he did cite the specific page range in which this information can be found. I had earlier decided to respect this attitude and not be the one to introduce said information into these forums—primarily because I saw GoldenRule's approach as good marketing for Crompton's book—but my view has changed. Sensitive or not, this information is highly relevant, and to delay acknowledgment of it any longer might preclude some very fruitful discussion.

Before proceeding, I will assert that the book has convinced me that the Goleta crimes were, beyond doubt, committed by EAR-ONS.

So, having said that, I will now state that the "shocking" new information is that that Goleta murder victim Robert Offerman had apparently been sodomized (possibly post-mortem?).

This information adds a whole new dimension to the sexual profile and level of perversity of the EAR-ONS. His partner, Manning, was not sexually abused, while evidence suggested that Offerman was. Could the fact that this was also the initial escalation to murder be more than coincidence? Was his desire to switch hit something so shameful that he could not allow the information to survive into victim testimony? Or was Offerman sodomized with an object, to mislead investigators into believing it was the work of the EAR?

According to the account in Crompton's book, the homicide was likely triggered by Offerman freeing himself of his bonds and confronting the perpetrator. Was the sodomy, then, a punishment for having done so, having forced the perpetrator to kill? A final act of indisputable one-upmanship? One also wonders why the EAR-ONS ran into such trouble in Goleta (which, for the record, is not a brand new question). Why did he lose control of his victims in two consecutive attacks, when approximately fifty previous ones swung his way? Perhaps, as evidenced by his aborted Danville attack (the final attack before EAR transitioned, more or less, into the ONS), he was getting sloppy, but was not entirely aware of this; perhaps he perceived it as his victims becoming more bold, and he once he decided to actually exert deadly force, there was no turning back, as this was the safest route to ensured his continued success as an unsub.

[cont'd in next post]
S.O.E. said, "Perhaps, as evidenced by his aborted Danville attack (the final attack before EAR transitioned, more or less, into the ONS), he was getting sloppy, but was not entirely aware of this; perhaps he perceived it as his victims becoming more bold, and he once he decided to actually exert deadly force, there was no turning back, as this was the safest route to ensured his continued success as an unsub."
If the had become a heavy drinker, he might behave in a sloppy fashion.
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By ladyofthelake
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2 years ago
209 Posts
Re: Page 188 concerning the use of a 9mm handgun in 1977
Posted By: thelostsock

"A spent casing and a live 9mm round were found at the scene."

I was surprised to read this as the use of 9mm in the USA was not very widespread during that time or so my fuzzy memory told me, so I did some googling.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M9_pistol

Under the Joint Service Small Arms Program which was run by the U.S. Air Force, a number of 9 mm pistol designs were trialed in the late 1970s to find a replacement for the M1911.

I have almost no doubt now that he was a member of the Air Force.



Also, the finding of a LIVE round may have shown his lack of experience with the weapon or the gun had jammed and he was trying to clear it.

Response fromladyofthelake

Good research, but did EAR steal weapons?


Response from waterfrogger

@ Ladyofthelake and SOE: He did not kill because he wanted to change his M.O, be an unsub, or to fool people, it is rather quit simple; he was going to kill anyway. He was progressing into a killer because it satisfied him more. Just look at how he "slowed" down once he started killing. He committed crimes in a very timely and predictable timeline mainly because as humans we want to be seen as consistent. He was also consistent with his M.O.

I am not sure as to why he was becoming sloppy, I know people begin to be more rash and complacent over a period of time. I am not sure when he became "sloppy."

Usually Sloppy: Rushed attack or EAR knew the police didn't know who he was and was greedy with his crime.
Progressively Sloppy: Well, he wasn't getting caught and this would be normal.


Response from ladyofthelake

I think you did a very effective job thinking this through and explaining your thoughts.



Response from DanCartell

I kinda sense your argument about him getting sloppy another thing I want to add is that maybe the apparent sloppiness is due to his arrogance at that stage in the crimes , think about this way- you are EAR and you have raped more than 40 women , burglarised almost 100 houses ,eluded cops in chases etc- you are going to think you are invincible hence arrogance takes over and you become less attentive to minor details that can lead to major screw ups ( this tends to be the point most serial killers get caught!); I think thats what may have been occurring, he probably realised his carelessness and pulled up his socks so to speak by the time he killed the Smiths and the Harrington`s as everything in those murders indicate total control and success on his part (as evidenced by 1. there was no sign of victims having resisted 2. him carrying out a successful rape and achieving ejaculation both times from the actual rape as opposed to masturbation )

Response from waterfrogger

I see your point, although I am not arguing anything; I am stating the obvious about human behavior and giving two general scenarios based on past rape cases.

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Topic: Suspicious Oldsmobile
Poster: Arch

Looking for any information on a suspicious vehicle seen in the vicinity of Keane Drive on October 17, 1976. Vehicle was described as an "Oldsmobile" CA License # TOR 505 (or 505 TOR). Any information on this vehicle could break this case wide open.

If you have any specific information about this vehicle, please contact me via private message or email me at the www.ear-ons.com website.

Response from watermokasin3

Would the state have a record of this vehicle or license plate? Would understand if they didnt since it was 35 years ago.

Response from thelostsock

Oldsmobile Toronado?

Is that a Vanity Plate? Oldsmobile made a model called the Toronado that had a 455 as an engine option, but the only google reference I came up with for 505 is for the exhaust valve lift for the 455. Here is what one looks like.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2x7U4yFnwE


Response from Breccia

Sudden Terror link

pdf 150-51: "One neighbor four doors down saw a strange car in the area. Said it was an older white Chevy with chrome wheels. He remembered the first three letters on the plate as TOR. One of the patrol deputies recognized the description. Says it’s usually driven by a local doper by the name of Paul Munoz. We’ve had him before on burglary and forgery, but nothing recent. Personally, I don’t think he really fits...."

This may not be the location/vechicle Arch is referring to in the original post. It could well be this is different.

I just referred to Sudden Terror to get the area/map location and feeling around the date Arch references (10/17/76.)

.............

License Plates in my state aren't like Cali...but people like my dad and my friend's dads would remember exactly how plates were handled at the time. They would know the number letter sequence order, the type vehicle it refered to i.e. truck (if there were an indication the plates had been switched) and if the plates could be carried forward from one personally owned vehicle to the next [Dad just told me they could in my state in 1976.] also DMV records at the time were paper (not even card punch computer files) and likely exist today (in my dad's opinion.)


Response from guessting

Ironically the sheriff believed they knew who owned the vehicle. While hoping to speak with that owner it was discovered that he died seven months prior. I am pretty certain, at least the last time I checked, a dead individual could not of been the driver. You can imagine how surprised one might be to discover LE was not even aware this individual was deceased.


Response from Breccia

the cache copy of this site shows what the plate should look like

webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://www.15q.net/ca.html

I got there by googling Vehicle registration California Plates yielding...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_registration_plates_of_California

.............................

sorry for these personal anecdotes but this is from my dad and in-laws who are now sitting around talking about license plates: There were no vanity plates in my father's mid-western state in 1976, or California he is almost sure.

The vanity plate angle was excellent...and could be california is different but googling 'history of California license plates' isn't showing vanity plates til the 80s---that's not saying they're not there, I just haven't found them yet.

edited : thelostsock did find Vanity Plates were issued through the 70s. I'll check out his links and see what restrictions the plates had. A Gran Torino (2008) type angle would be so cool.


Response from thelostsock

According to this link California had vanity plates in starting in 1970.

www.allstate.com/insurance-industry-news/auto-insurance-news/tracking-the-history-of-vanity-plates-800493172.aspx

This may not sound like a whole lot, but in California, vanity plates have generated $1 billion since the first one graced a Golden State vehicle in 1970.


TOR 505 makes no sense to me if he was a gearhead, I would check TOR 455 or 455 TOR.

Response from Breccia

As Crompton says wrt the vehicle

the cops were on this guy wrt drugs/B+E.

Since he's dead (and undoubtedly left mug shots, and license stats behind) it sounds like LE at the time and maybe until recently blew him off, he just d/n fit the EAR. Who'd he hang with? Co-defendants from back in the day... and family at the very least should be known...and co-defendants of brothers and so on.

Response from Arch

WM3,

If they do have any records, they are not accessible via computer database.


Response from Arch

Breccia,

We would like to identify ANYONE associated with this vehicle. The circumstances surrounding it's appearance on 10/17/76 make it likely that it is connected to the EAR attack the following day.

Anyone with specific information about this Oldmobile CA Lic# TOR 505 please private message me or email me via the www.ear-ons.com website.


Response from guessting

I did have the plate run by owners name. There is no information available according to my source. There are some interesting circumstances surrounding the death of the owner. I also cannot figure how it went by LE without recognition of those particular circumstances. I guess I should say I'm not surprised. I do know it had been sold by the time it was seen parked. I also do not know if it was ever changed to that owners name. I guess this could be another way EAR got vehicles possibly. G

Response from SpeakelofEngrish

When someone dies and no one claims or inherits the vehicle, what happens to the vehicle? Impounded?


Response from guessting

With regards to this vehicle it was sold by his father right after his death. G


Response from SammyT

It would have been good of LE to have chased this up... yet another example (for law enforcement fans like Cimm) of how many opportunities have been missed to catch EAR-ONS.
Very promising development though - you would think that it would be possible to track down who purchased the car...


Response from Cimmerian10

TOR? As in... Thor?


Response from PortofLeith

License plate assignment and suspicious white vehicles

This can help date the year the car was made- most likely a 1967 model. Beginning in 1970 the letters and numbers were reversed for license assignment, e.g. TOR505 in the 60's would have been 505TOR in the 70's. Back in those days, when a vehicle sold and you were given the pink slip, the DMV wouldn't necessarily know that the car had changed ownership until it was time to renew the license or if the new owner completed registration forms at the DMV. However, there was a penalty for not completing the new registration within a certain time period. Here is an interesting angle- wouldn't the next owner of TOR505 legally register it? Let's say EAR bought it from the father and didn't legally register the vehicle. At some point he would have to sell or trade in the vehicle and the penalties for failure to change ownership would show up. It's also interesting that at both Offerman Manning and the Smith's the suspicious vehicles were white.

I also found that personalized license plates were introduced in California in 1971.

" From Ebay Guide:

The 1963-69 series plate began alphabetically, with three letters beginning with AAA and ending in 1969 with approximately ZZW. Consequently, you can reasonably estimate the approximate year the plate was issued by the beginning three letters. For example, a plate beginning with D,E, F, G or H would or could have been issued in 1964. T, U or V would have been issued in 1967. W and X, 1968, Y and Z, 1969 and so on. So now, an entire era of great classic cars can run registered, correct year, original California plates and stickers (if you can find them).

My research has shown that the 1963-69 year-by-year, letter allocation plate issuance breakdown has some overlap, but plates beginning with the following letters generally correspond to the year of issue: ABCD= 1963, EFGHI=1964, JKLMN=1965, OPQRS=1966, TUVW=1967, WXYZ=1968-69. Note: There is some exception to this general guide because rural county DMV offices issued plates at a much slower rate as LA, SF, SAC and SD, etc. So, it is possible to have an early letter designation, e.g., DAB-123 on a later 1968-9 vehicle."


Response from JaneDoe

California issued Black with Gold plates until 1970 and then begin the Blue with Gold plates. It this car no longer exists....the plates may. Car guys are always looking for vintage plates by color.

Response from Arbed

Maybe we should advertise on CRAIG'S LIST. Something along the lines: Looking for vintage California license plate... circa 1967... TOR 505. Would be interesting to see if anyone answers the ad.

I have never used CRAIG'S LIST. I have no idea if this would work or not. My thought is if L.E. had a starting point, it might be possible to backtrack.


Response from f1guyus

Change of Ownership.
Law required a new owner to re-register the vehicle within ten (may have been thirty) days. With the vehicle regristration you got a change of ownership form which let you release your interest in the vehicle whether the new owner re-registerd it or not. It was always a good idea to do this just to avoid getting dunned for something like a parking ticket later on. Like a lot of things in the 70's this stuff didn't always get done. Wasn't computerized as I recall.


Response from mishmac

I'm confused about something. Did this TOR 505 license plate originate with the deceased owner and get passed along with the car (which sometimes happens), or does this plate definitely belong to the new owner (possibly EAR-ONS?)

Also, the father doesn't remember who he sold the car to? Or is he also deceased and can't provide information?


Response from JWBTXS

The circumstances surrounding it's appearance on 10/17/76 make it likely that it is connected to the EAR attack the following day.
Who would have access to so many different types of vehicles during time of reports of strange cars in the area where an attack took place..?

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Topic: August 1981 to April 1986 Gap
Poster: Arch

I forget who pointed this out first (forgive me) but there was an article that was published in August of 1981 linking the Goleta cases as well as the Smiths and the Harringtons. This preceded the EAR/ONS' dormant period. We know that he went to extraordinary lengths to prevent investigators from linking his SoCal crimes to the NorCal crimes. We also know that he went to extraordinary lengths to prevent the investigators from linking the SoCal crimes to each other (by committing the crimes in different jurisdictions).

Despite his best efforts, investigators pretty much linked up his SoCal crimes as early as 1980-81 (excluding Manuela Witthuhn). I do not think that it is coincidence that went dormant right after the Aug. 2nd, 1981 article was published. I believe that there was someone in his life who could have connected the dots. Someone like Glasby who ended up taking a dirt nap in 1982.

I do not think that there are additional EAR/ONS crimes during that gap period. I think that investigators would have identified such crimes either by DNA link or M.O. (as they have done with the other EAR/ONS crimes).

I do not think that he planned on re-offending after 1981. I do not think that he went over to Janelle Cruz' house intending on killing her. I think that he knew that her family was on vacation. I think he was infatuated with her. And he went there probably to indulge in peeping activity and became enraged when he saw her alone with another male.

It was no coincidence him being there that evening as another poster just pointed out.


Response from Samk

I believe that this perp experienced something in Irvine when he was in the city to attend an event and it pushed him over the edge. He may have experienced some type of rejection or experience which made him very angry. In the end this perp took his rage out on Janelle.


Response from Arch

I wish that we could figure out which event may have brought the EAR/ONS breezing into Irvine.


Response from ZForce
 
To develop an infatuation with her he would have had to have been around her for some period of time, making it less likely he was just in town for an event. If this is a guy who uses the real estate market to find potential victims then its even less likely. The nature of the Cruz attack is too unorganized from his prior crimes for him to not have been around for awhile. At best, I would say he could have be there on an extended work trip....but he had cooled off for so long...he's going to be more likely to start up again somewhere close to home.


Response from Samk

Arch, for me it is either the air show or the tennis championship. I am leaning towards the tennis championship. In the past another poster had stated a martial arts exhibition but I think that event was at the end of May so EAR/ONS would not be in Irvine for a few weeks before an event unless he was wealthy and did not have to work.


Response from Samk

If ear/ons had to develop an infatuation with someone over a lenghty period of time before he attacked then this perp's record of crimes would have been much lower because of the time it would take.

Response from Samk

Points well taken. My event theory has some weekness but I still think LE should follow up with the tennis championship check out if it is in some way possible to see if anything stands out.

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Topic: November 10, 1976 - Victim #9
Poster: Arch

The EAR attacked his 9th victim 35 years ago today. This was the second attack in Citrus Heights. In this particular attack, the EAR wore an odd leather hood and brought the victim out to a drainage canal behind the home. For some reason, he did not rape this victim.


Response from dengas

Framed
When I first contacted Oscar's brother to talk to him about Oscar's case (1983), he told me about something that happened on 12/24/75 in the K-MART (again -- K-Mart) parking lot. Oscar, his wife, and two daughters (Mt. Whitney) were doing some last minute shopping. The girls stayed in the car, however some guy in a sports car started harrassing and making lewd comments to them. They ran in to the store. It was quite a while after that when I, too, started thinking about Oscar's having been framed. I figured that the book was taken then. When I thought that the VR was Mark S., I had another thought about the book. Oscar was doing some work for a family who lived on Beverly Drive, right around the corner from Mark. I reasoned that Mark could have lifted it out of Oscar's truck, but that didn't really make much sense. When Oscar's brother told me about the 12/24 happening, he didn't know anything about the VR. He was just trying to tell me about Oscar's last couple of days as a free man.


Response from dengas

Now, knowing what I know about the two locations southeast of Visalia where Donna's articles were found in a ditch by an abandoned house, and the VR revolver, screwdriver, and raincoat were found, I think that the VR was the guy in the "sports car" -- wish I had a better description of it -- and that he planned to use the receipt book to find out where the two blonde girls lived. When, on 12/26/75, he was out in the country looking for their home, he happened across Donna, who was riding her bike home. She was last seen around 4:00 p.m. -- and it was getting dark. By 1:00 a.m. 12/27/75, Oscar had been arrested. They found Donna's bicycle on List Avenue, just off Spruce (Exeter), and the receipt book had Oscar's name in it. Weren't our sheriff's incredibly LUCKY!!!!! WOW!!! Handed right to them. Too bad they LE hadn't had the same luck with Jennifer's murder, or Mr. Snellings, who was murdered just three months before. Oh, did I mention, our district attorney was the prosecuting attorney and Oscar's trial was June, 1976. Slam -- DUNK.


Response from dengas

...and it was an election year for him.

Response from ZForce

Donna
What was the cause of death in her case?


Response from Sandia
Really interesting!
 

Response from wintergirl

LE has a rain coat from the VR? Why not test it for DNA and we will know for sure if VR is ear/ons.

Response from dengas

wintergirl
I would assume contamination has occurred. No knowledge of whether or not it has been tested.


Response from ZForce

What was the cause of death in her case?


Response from dengas

She had 13 shallow stab wounds (back). I'll look at the autopsy again, but I don't think it was strangulation. Shock/exposure probably contributed.


Response from ZForce

Just being exposed to the elements could have rendered it useless for DNA testing.


Response from wintergirl

Oh I bet there is still plenty of DNA, especially from the collar area and probably the wrist cuffs. It's really worth a shot. If they can get touch DNA now, they surely can get plenty of skin cells in those areas.

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Topic: January 19, 1977 - Victim #11
Poster: Arch

35 years ago today, the EAR attacked his 11th victim. The victim was of Asian ancestry and was 5 months pregnant. This was his first attack in the Glenbrook subdivision. He left in the victim's vehicle and it was found a few blocks away.


Response from conquistador1521

College Greens Activity
This attack was very interesting. The attacker stayed in the home approx 4 hrs, the longest time that I am aware of that the offender stayed in the home. Some profilers have noted in the past that the longer an offender stays at a crime scene the closer he is to his own home. Also the offender stole the victims car and drove it about a mile or so next to an apartment complex on Great Falls Way. This location where the car was deposited is significant becuase an 18 year old man was shot by a prowler the following month just a few blocks away. The description of the prowler is identical to the rooftop prowler in 1974 and the man with the dog lurking around late at night right before the third attack in Goleta.


Response from Warren

I would agree..
Seems pretty obvious to me that if he dropped the stolen car in or near an apartment complex, he didn't live there. That means he either had his own vehicle at that location, and switched, or he left on foot or bike. Since most of the times he hit he had his getaway vehicle only a few blocks away, and not as far a a mile, it would seem that he was residing within walking or biking distance of that complex. If he left a bike there to switch to, he would seem to run a risk that it would be stolen left there at night for so long.
A book I read on Chicago cops said the same thing about the longer the perp stays at a crime scene, the closer he lives.

Response from Sandia

Conquistador, Can you repeat the 3 descriptions that are identical in these cases and if there were composites which ones were they. Thanks

Response from Bear99

Warren....what cops know?


Response from Warren

Yes sir.


Response from Smitty

Jan 19th
If he stole a car to leave. How did he arrive ? That is the critical point. This was crime 11, based on what is known, had he learned a lot, probably. Jack the car, park it, and double back ? Was he out for a walk and decide to attack ? I doubt it. Interesting this one...


Response from Warren

Good point..
A very good point, actually. I assume no bicycle was found in the vicinity of the attack, which means he either walked there or parked a car somewhere nearby and then stole her car after the attack. Why not just go back to his parked car, if that's how he got there? Is it possible he lived close by and took her car to mislead investigators? Makes my head hurt!


Response from Smitty

Yes why steal a car ? Again sorry for not looking over notes before posting, was he bringing his kit with him at this point ? If so, how did he arrive at this location ? Did he stay longer since he did not have transportation to leave. Can someone post the exact details of this event. Time, duration, victim testimony etc. thanks


Response from Smitty

Attack on page 177 sudden terror.


Response from Cimmerian

It was during this attack that EAR/ONS removed knives from the kitchen and transported them to the living room where he broke them. He had no reason to do this... Or did he? Is this man deeply sexually entrenched in the geometrical displacement of inanimate objects? I believe it's the mystery of our times, one the scientific community ought to investigate.


Response from dengas

Urit222 had knife taken from her kitchen and deposited in a closit. Strange? Was it VR? She was told it was VR, and she was told that VR WAS THE EAR/ONS. She only visits this site occassionally because people have attacked her statements, but she is telling what was told her...So, if it VR wasn't EAR/ONS, then Russ W. was telling her a HUGE UNTRUTH, and someone close to Russ W. (Portofleith/Guessting) needs to bring this to his attention. It is my understanding that he is no longer working on the cases???


Response from Cimmerian

Quite amazing, isn't it? I am sorry to hear that your friend has been attacked on this board. Unfortunately, there are very few people who HAVEN'T been attacked here. Thanks for bringing this knife displacement incident to our attention. I think it is very telling.


Response from Warren

Every shrink
I think every shrink in the world would say that this knife play, in addition to instilling terror and control in and over the victims, is related to his seeming impotency in a lot of the crimes; perhaps being symbolic of erections and compensation for the small penis.
A girl I know was complaining about the performance issues of her boyfriend. I went to his house for the first time for a party, and I have never seen so many knives and swords in my life. They were all over the walls, and on most objects of furniture. I'll never forget that, and what she told me made perfect sense in that context. Of course, not every knife collector has a problem like that, but the symbolism in his case was very clear to me.


Response from guessting

Hi dengas,
Often facts get twisted around here. For the record, Port and I are not "close" to Russ W. We don't know him. While reviewing some information during 2008 we spoke with him for a brief period. We have not spoken to him since. Just don't want to take credit for a bonding experience neither of us have had. g
 

Response from guessting

Guessting
Thank you for clarifying. I wish I had originally spoken to Russ (when he put an article in the Visalia Times Delta), but I wasn't a victim so I didn't contact him. I have come to the conclusion that he, just like our Visalia locals LE, have stories that aren't always 100% true. Those of you from Visalia...Cody W. told me that where our pickup was found trashed (destroyed in a fit of rage)...he said that they had found NUMEROUS VR stolen guns. He went along 100% with Mark S. being the VR. So did John V., another LE. Now, I don't believe LE for any reason at all. I just pray that they have more sense than they let on.

Response from theladyofthelake

To dengas
What year was your pickup trashed? Did Cody W. tell you what all the locations of the stolen property were? Were they all from Visalia?


Response from Cimmerian

dengas: I'm sorry to hear that your ride got trashed. When did this happen? The mid 70s, maybe? Was there anything peculiar about this particular truck? Any bumper stickers, equipment or property on or inside of it that might have set someone off (for whatever ridiculous reason?)


Response from dengas

Pickup
It happened in 1981 around the time that Chunky Hook (security guard or janitor) at C.O.S. was killed. The pickup was found the next day in a walnut grove just southwest of Caldwell and Lovers Lane intersection, If you will mapquest, you will see it as Southeast of what was then Visalia proper -- in the country -- near 264. Cody said that there were guns that VR stole found in that grove, but Cody said quite a few things that I now question. Obviously I have always found it questionable that the abandoned house was on 264/156, and a gun, screwdriver, raincoat were also found just southeast of the abandoned house. So, one has to think that maybe...just maybe Cody was telling the truth. The truck was a 1976 white Datsun pickup. My husband's jacket was in the pickup (and probably his keys), but the jacket wasn't in the pickup when it was found. The pickup had been slammed many times against the trunk of a mature walnut tree. Caesar's towing said that whoever did the job on the pickup was someone who was filled with rage.
One of the reasons I first had Mark S. as a POI (VR) was because when he heard about our pickup, the first thing he said was, "What do you think would cause a kid to do something like that?" Neither my husband nor I had any known enemies. However, this was not the only car that was destroyed. Within a week of my contacting Jay P. (our Tulare County District Attorney who prosecuted Oscar Clifton) and telling him of my suspicions regarding Mark S., we had a cherried out VW bus that was found north of Visalia -- torched. Did I mention that Jay P's residence was where Mark S. grew up? Ironic, right?


Response from f1guyus

dengas
Were you a schooteacher then?