Eighth Set (Format Changes Completed)

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Topic: Bludgeon Murders
Poster: Arch

In reveiwing the FDLE Profile, I am reminded (and this has to be done often now) that the Ventura murders apparently were the EAR/ONS' first bludgeon murders. Because of his inexperience doing so, he spattered himself with the blood of his victims. In the subsequent murders, he covered his victims with bedding or other material before bludeoning them.

This makes a connection to the earlier Goleta bludgeoning less likely, IMO. He would have learned about blood spatter in 1974. Also, the continuum of violence is also out of whack. I thought that it might have been a good lead but in retrospect, it just seems like another of these damned coincidences that have cropped up with annoying regularity.

The choice of bludgeoning his victims MAY HAVE been influenced by the Bedroom Basher, who was active at the time. This is the only part of JJ's EAR A/B theory that I agree with. I think the EAR/ONS was copycatting the bludgeoning aspect of the Bedroom Basher to confuse law enforcement. And that is why he did not stab his victims (which he always had a knife with them AND threatened to use it) or strangle his victims with the ligatures he brought to the crime scenes.

Bludgeoning was a conscious and deliberate decision on his part.


Response from icyu2

Also

Another excerpt from the same book touches on some of the OCD aspects of serial murderers.

"Homicide: A Psychiatric Perspective" 2nd Edition by Carl P. Malmquist, M.D., M.S

"An early attempt at developing a profile of sadistic sexual murderers was done by Robert P. Brittain,8 who was both a forensic pathologist and a psychiatrist. The profile of sexual murderers he developed was that of a male who was younger than age 35 years, introverted, a loner, and with a rich fantasy life. A close, but ambivalent, tie with his mother existed in which she was seen as someone inordinately curious about his sexual life. A distant and punitive father produced a difficult relationship between the father and son. The future murderer was seen as vain and sensitive to threats to his self-esteem as well as having concerns about his sexual potency.

Accounts of cruelties appealed to him, yet a mixture of kind acts would be recorded about him as well. A homicide could occur in the course of a sexual assault, such as by strangulation. In some cases, sexual intercourse itself did not take place; masturbation might occur, or some bizarre type of mutilation, dismemberment, or stabbing. The men Brittain studied were seen as having an intellectual grasp of the crime but showing only a flat and superficial emotional response to it. Whereas some of the preplanning to their acts suggested cunning, they often returned to the scene of the crime and became upset if there was a lack of publicity.

Sexually sadistic individuals have some peculiar characteristics that accompany their offenses. Details about individual fantasies involving torture or arousing sadistic fantasies are important in trying to connect these thoughts with the act of homicide. Some of these individuals engaged in what was referred to by Dietz’s group as excessive driving, in which they would drive long distances with a lack of any clear goal and then abruptly change direction or circle back. This behavior seemed to portray their need to feel free to do as they wished along with the compulsive need to dominate and control others. These individuals exhibited a type of pathological development in the quest for autonomy. Their fascination with police activities and paraphernalia similarly corresponded to their power needs and identifications."


Response from DanCartell

wow that is really interesting especially the bit about excessive driving- it really does raise a few questions and this excessive driving may partially explain a few aspects of this case - could EAR have chosen to strike in Dana Point and ventura as a result of seeing the places during one of these trips?

Since the bludgeoning murders in SoCal were as far up as Ventura and SB county and further down as Orange county AND taking into account the possibility of EAR having indulged in excessive driving (assuming he did like the serial killers in this study) , C1521 may be onto something in his theory of EAR living in LA county . Assuming EAR engaged in execssive driving- the areas he turned up in and offended in radiate from LA xcounty .......

Great stuff- thanks for bringing this information!!


Response from girl_gaara 

Mental Illness

Though I still feel I've a ways to go before I fully understand this case, I can chime in on this aspect. I suffer from manic-depression and OCD, many people close to me have had other conditions (especially schizophrenia), and I've been studying sociopathy for a few years now (as part of an unrelated project).

EAR-ONS does strike me as a strong candidate for OCD. That said, there are different levels of severity and we're usually not violent. While it figures into his MO, the banging and ransacking could also be a terror tactic. It's very frightening to be lying in bed, helplessly listening to your abuser rampaging about and making all sorts of racket, let me assure you! Could it be that EAR had a similarly abusive parent and was acting this out, making his victims suffer the way he had? Don't get me wrong; I'm not defending him! Plenty of us abuse survivors don't end up as rapists and killers.

Lithium is one of the few meds I’ve not taken; yet I’m doubtful there’s a connection there. It treats mania, which is the phase most commonly associated with violent outbursts and erratic behaviour. If EAR was bipolar, it had no bearing on his crimes. It can cause an increased sex drive, but it doesn’t make you rape people. Nor should it ever be an excuse to do so.

Despite my still being new to this, I don’t think it would be imprudent to label him a sociopath (Anti-Social Personality Disorder). Sociopaths know right from wrong, but are incapable of guilt, empathy, and fear. Not wanting to get caught shouldn’t be counted as fear or guilt as it has more to do with their urge to continue their behaviour. Ted Bundy is rather the poster boy for violent sociopaths, but don’t discount this solely on the basis of how he differed from EAR. I think EAR and Bundy’s minds essentially worked the same.

It must be acknowledged that though ASPD is a psychiatric disorder, it does not make one legally insane under US law. Sociopaths understand what is means to break the law; they simply don’t care. They think the law shouldn’t apply to them. Some people may consider this evil, but I don’t like to use that term. To me, calling someone evil dismisses them as some kind of monster, rather than a human. I think that it is important to remember we humans are all capable of terrible cruelty, but we must actively choose to be kind.

Compulsion is central to EAR, to have offended so many times in little over one decade. That’s why I have trouble accepting he just stopped. BTK was not nearly as compulsive (I can’t comment on Ridgeway as I haven’t read as much about him).

My sincere apologies if this has already been discussed. I’m only on page 4 of these boards right now.


Response from Sandia

These last posts were VERY interesting. I've not been able to keep up on reading the boards lately and I also just read Arch's post about the 1974 Goleta bludgeoning and it makes sense. I was hoping that particular crime might hold the key, so I'm disappointed but I agree with Arch.

Also thanks to icyu2 and the driving angle and all of your excellent posts, that is something to think about all right.

Girl Gaara, thank you for sharing your insight, that was very informative and it is wonderful to know you have such knowledge and control over your own situation.


Response from Cimmerian10

There were some people in France called the Letterists who referred to this phenomenon as 'dérive.' This really drives home the point, in my mind, that EAR/ONS is a man who has a deep-seated, possibly very sexual conviction in the geographical positioning of inanimate objects and the structures and aesthetics of urban and natural environments.

You can read more about this at the following link... en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situationist_International#Psychogeography


Response from f1guyus

I wouldn't
I wouldn't make this thing too complicated. When EAR moved to SoCal and started killing people he knew that if he offended the way he did in Sacramento the National Guard would have been on every corner. Concentrating his activities in one area in SoCal would have gotten him busted and he knew it. So he spread the crimes out in several jurisdictions and over time. Gave LE the excuse to deny he existed or was offending in their jurisdiction.


Response from girl_gaara 
You're welcome. If I can be at all helpful with my personal insight, I'm very glad to give it.

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Topic: Blue/green paint flakes
Poster: PortofLeith

We have read in the Colleen Cason series that green flakes were found on the bodies of Manning and the Smith's. I have recently been told that the flakes on Manning were actually a blue green color.

I have also learned that similar paint flakes were found in at least one of the EAR Sacramento rapes. Flakes of a color close to the Ditzler PPG colors 13589 and 13602 were deemed:
not to be of automotive origin
contained phthalo blue and silicates
miniscule flakes were found in a middle bedroom on bedcovers and floor, a flake in victim's hair, 2 chips found at sliding glass door entrance
one flake in master bedroom closet
flake found on wooden gate post in backard

It was also determined that the flakes did not come from EAR's clothing or a hard tool, but rather from a pliable material consistent with a tool bag or duffel bag.

It leads me to believe that EAR was setting down a bag that may have had slight specks of paint from a job site. In this color chart, it indicates that similar color matches were used to paint fleet trucks and airliners, but the flecks were not glossy but flat.

Here is the color sample:

paintref.com/cgi-bin/colorcodedisplay.cgi?ditzler=13602&rows=50&sort=ditzler

Can anyone think of other 1970's industries that might have used this paint?


Response from DanCartell

Very Good 1

This is a very good lead, it could lead to something significant, reading your post reminded me of two cases of serial killers were paint specks turned up on victims:

1.) green river killer and interestingly 2.) Jack the Stripper in London in the 1950s = the interesting thing about the Jack the Stripper case is that they found traces of paint on a victim, then they analysed it and the investigation was focused on suspects who had connections to a particular part of London and worked at spray painting plants this helped to narrow down the suspect list from thousands of men to a few dozen and eventually they homed in on a suspect.................................I couldnt help but wonder what the general location of the rape victim in Sacramento were paint flakes were found?


Response from Bear99

Looks to me like US Air Force blue.


Response from Peterlee

Someone had mentioned on the site that there is a possibility that EAR/ONS may have been working for defence contractor Raytheon. If that is so then it could explain the paint.


Response from PortofLeith

Detail I forgot to mention

I forgot to mention that one of the paint samples was on a miniscule bit of pvc most likely a machining or drilling chip. What profession would use this paint and be involved in pvc fabrication? The Ditzler paint chart says that American Airlines used this exact color as their "bahama blue". It also mentions certain fleet trucks but no specifics. PVC I assume was used in home construction and agricultural/yard irrigation... combined with the paint??? It's really a very deep teal blue green- too dark to be used in pool or jacuzzi applications?


Response from dengas

could it be used
any possibility that it could be used with septic tanks?


Response from Repoman

Phthalo blue and silicates

Port asked:

Can anyone think of other 1970's industries that might have used this paint?


The color and use of silicates remind me of hull paint. The type of paint that is used regularly below the water line on the hulls of sailboats.


Response from PortofLeith

Sailboats and Aerojet

Conquistador and Repo- interesting possibilities especially considering locations:


www.defender.com/product.jsp?path=-1|294|1610251&id=1653404


Response from JaneDoe

Could these flakes have come from the fabric the bag was made from? PVC (piping) and silicates (flexion) are used in upholstery fabric. Did any victim see the bag and report the color of it?


Response from Repoman

Generally speaking fabric isn't painted, it's dyed.


Response from JaneDoe

Yes, and if they are sure the flakes are paint and not decomposition of upholstery fabric, then it would not be the bag itself.


Response from Repoman

What they described is paint flaking off of a bag. Non automotive paint "bahama blue" with silicates. The silicates have a antifouling effect and are added to bottom paint for boats. The color and mention of silicates makes me think that it might of been bottom paint.

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Topic: Both Statements Cannot Be True
Poster: Arch

"Lay still or I’ll kill you like I did some people in Bakersfield,” the voice ordered."

"I’ve never killed before, but I’m going to now."

Which one of these statements is true? Does it depend on whether or not one believes that the EAR was also the VR? If the EAR was the VR, why would he not let both victims and investigators know that he has killed before? Especially when he is *ed off at law enforcement. Wouldn't he be assured of compliance if his victims knew he was a killer? Wouldn't the terror of such a revelation be off the charts?

Conversely, why did the EAR feel the need to reveal to #16 couple that he "killed some people in Bakersfield?" This was his first couple attack so was this because he was nervous and felt he needed the street cred so he padded his resume? Once his victims were bound, wouldn't that fact alone terrify them in a way that his threats would not and could not? So why not taunt all of his victims with the knowledge of a prior kill?

If the EAR was the Ransacker, wouldn't it be far more terrifying to tell your victims, "I've killed before so I have no problem killing again" or something similar? It does not compute. Especially with his statements later to Victim #21 about "I've never killed before".

If that statement is true, the EAR is not the VR. I am inclined to believe his statement to #21 is the truth (as of 5/17/77). It was a warning of where the EAR could go, if provoked. His statement to #16 seems self-serving because of his anxiety from attacking his first couple and the uncertainty of the situation. I can see no reason for the EAR to not tell his victims that he has killed before especially in light of the fact that he threatened to kill ALL of his victims.


Response from Arch

Hang-Up Calls in Visalia?
Posted By: the confidence is the balaclava
Did the community in Visalia that VR hit get hang up calls and crank calls? Because thats another thing that would link vr to ears. Ears, from the sound of his calls, probably made them starting as a kid and just getting worse. I know it was common to get those calls, but youd think the cops would note this.

According to the available information, none of the Ransacker victims received "hang up" phone calls before their homes were burglarized and none of them (with one exception) received calls after their homes were burglarized.

One nutcase suggested to investigators that the VR was calling and hanging up to see if anyone was home. But I have seen no documentation indicating that was the case. One of the Letterettes was receiving crank phone calls but the calls were inconsistent with the EAR's taunting phone calls.


Response from confidence is the balaclava

"Saying he killed someone from a rough area makes him seem rough, he knew that. Thats why he used it at first, but he was smart enough to refine his technique to make the attack go more smoothly. I believe he didnt tell victims he killed anyone, whether true or false, because that would upset them more than it would get them to comply. He already has a gun, they know he will use it if they dont comply. What happens when you tell someone youve killed before? It makes them too frightened, they might get hysterical, they try harder to escape if they know youve killed before. He wanted everything to go as smoothly as possible, and go his way."

You are making my point for me. If all of the above is true then why threaten to kill your "next two victims"? And why preface that with "I've never killed before"? Threatening to kill your next two victims will have the same effect that you described. But #22 did not put up any real resistance despite having that knowledge. Telling Victim #16 that he had killed before did not have the effect on the victims as you described.

Conversely, #3 resisted and escaped without any such hysteria. #2 resisted as well. H/H did not comply and resisted without any such hysteria. Don't you think that mentioning to the victims that he had killed before might have paralyzed them with fear? Especially if it were true? It does not add up. None of it. The EAR didn't kill anyone prior to 12/30/79 when his statements and behavior is analyzed.
Then I may have misunderstood what you were saying. I dont know if he killed anyone before, and Im not familiar with your timeline of events, but I dont believe that when he was threatening to kill his victims that he was lying, he clearly was leading up to it, so he did want to, but like you said, he wasnt ready yet. Where we must fall out is that you take him seriously when he says Ive never killed before and that he is referring to never killing in his life. I do not. I've always took him to mean that hes referring to have never killed a rape victim/couple before and I believe he is telling the truth here, obviously, and that he is actually intimating to the police where he is headed in his crimes.


Response from CITB (confidence is the balaclava)


Did the community in Visalia that VR hit get hang up calls and crank calls? Because thats another thing that would link vr to ears. Ears, from the sound of his calls, probably made them starting as a kid and just getting worse. I know it was common to get those calls, but youd think the cops would note this.

According to the available information, none of the Ransacker victims received "hang up" phone calls before their homes were burglarized and none of them (with one exception) received calls after their homes were burglarized.

One nutcase suggested to investigators that the VR was calling and hanging up to see if anyone was home. But I have seen no documentation indicating that was the case. One of the Letterettes was receiving crank phone calls but the calls were inconsistent with the EAR's taunting phone calls.
I'd expect that ears would have been prolific in 2 things when he was younger, and that would be peeping and making crank phone calls, so it is odd to me that the VR did not pepper that neighborhood with them during the two years he burglarized. Not to say that Ear didnt acquire a taste for it later, since a lot of slasher/horror/exploitation films have some unknown killer crankcalling the victim, and in a fake scary/sleazy voice, too. Thats such a wellworn trope that the movie Scream, which is a compendium of slasher film tropes, starts the movie that way.

And when you think about it, what is a crank call without a victim? VR had no reason to crankcall because he had no marked victims until beth snelling.


Response from Arch

"Where we must fall out is that you take him seriously when he says Ive never killed before and that he is referring to never killing in his life. I do not. I've always took him to mean that hes referring to have never killed a rape victim/couple before and I believe he is telling the truth here, obviously, and that he is actually intimating to the police where he is headed in his crimes."

There are no murders that have been connected to the EAR prior to 12/30/79. That is a fact. The Snelling murder and the Maggiore murders both have forensic evidence. The forensic evidence in those cases do not match the forensic evidence in the EAR cases.

There is only speculation that the cases are linked. Speculation is not the same as a forensic match. The continuum of violence does not support the contention that the EAR killed anyone prior to 12/30/79. The EAR's own statements as well as his actions do not support the contention that he killed anyone prior to 12/30/79.

His actions after 12/30/79 support the contention that O/M were his first murder victims.


Response from Arch

Plenty of Victims

And when you think about it, what is a crank call without a victim? VR had no reason to crankcall because he had no marked victims until beth snelling.

The bulk of the VR's burglaries were sexually motivated. Female undergarments were strewn about the homes he burglarized. One would expect (if the VR was the EAR) that he would call the females in those homes and "taunt them". No such taunts as far as I am aware. Just the inconsistent crank calling of the other Letterette and the rather childish scrawl on Ms. Snelling's car.


Response from CITB

There is only speculation that the cases are linked. Speculation is not the same as a forensic match. The continuum of violence does not support the contention that the EAR killed anyone prior to 12/30/79. The EAR's own statements as well as his actions do not support the contention that he killed anyone prior to 12/30/79.
Youre missing the point I was making. Ears could have been anyone, he could have been a vet and killed people, for all we know, before he started the rape-wave. I dont think that would have mattered to him. The key here is most people like soldiers and gang members do not kill because they are sexually aroused by it; on the whole, it isnt part of their sexuality. Does killing in war or due to turf fights, criminal business etc become easier? Yes; and thats where a continuum of violence regarding killing is relevant. Not with a sadistic serial rapist who has compartmentalized his life and separates his fantasy from practical reality, such as shooting defensively when he's in pursuit. Im not making the case for ears to have been vr or that he killed before the rapes. Im saying that I believe he viewed the attacks as not only living out a sexual fantasy but as his life's work. A piece of art in motion that he created. The relevance to having killed anybody is not important. If anything he wouldnt want anyone to know of any real murders he committed, which is not saying he did or didnt, despite anything he said. The Bakersfield comment was a shallow ploy. In contrast, when he loses his cool and rants about the cops and how hes going to kill the next two people, I believe he is being sincere. Not in that he was going to actually do it next time, like he said, but that that was on his mind, and he was going to go there eventually. Again, the threats he used as script were not the same for him as in these instances when he gets out of sorts and excited. He used the lone raped women as conduits to the cops. Those werent idle threats to convey to them. He wasnt trying to control anyone with his words here except to the extent that he didnt want them to talk about him to the press. I dont think he was excited in those moments about that as much as the idea that he might actually go through with murdering his RAPE victims...which he eventually did because they were an intrinsic part of his fantasy. These victims and these killings have _nothing at all_ to do with anyone he may or may not have killed outside of making his fantasies come true. They do not count for him. Serial killers are highly compartmentalized. They can separate murders like practical ones from sexual ones. These people, such as earons, spend an enormous amount of time and energy into making their fantasies come true. When he kills his first intended victims, there is where the continuum of killing starts for him. And it only lasts 9 times as far as we know, until 5yrs later. If you go on that info, his continuum started, stopped, started again, and stopped, maybe for good. That is a busted up continuum. What applies to normal garden variety killers doesnt apply to highly organized sadistic killers like earons.


Response from CITB

And when you think about it, what is a crank call without a victim? VR had no reason to crankcall because he had no marked victims until beth snelling.

The bulk of the VR's burglaries were sexually motivated. Female undergarments were strewn about the homes he burglarized. One would expect (if the VR was the EAR) that he would call the females in those homes and "taunt them". No such taunts as far as I am aware. Just the inconsistent crank calling of the other Letterette and the rather childish scrawl on Ms. Snelling's car.
Or one might expect that that occurred to him to do that after he had raped them and had a hold on their terror. VT had no hold on any victims other than beth and he killed her dad, so I can understand why he wouldnt be crankcalling then.
The pattern of hangup calls that ear was supposed to have done were weirdly obsessive though, and VRs crime were also weirdly obsessive, but according to what you say didnt have that element that ear's did. Whats frustrating about this era of time is that no one thought there was anything odd about hangups and crank calls, so plenty of people probably didnt give it a second thought if it had happened to them. How many people would have linked one of them up to a burglary? Not many to none.


Response from dengas

Did the community in Visalia that VR hit get hang up calls and crank calls? Because thats another thing that would link vr to ears. Ears, from the sound of his calls, probably made them starting as a kid and just getting worse. I know it was common to get those calls, but youd think the cops would note this.

According to the available information, none of the Ransacker victims received "hang up" phone calls before their homes were burglarized and none of them (with one exception) received calls after their homes were burglarized.

One nutcase suggested to investigators that the VR was calling and hanging up to see if anyone was home. But I have seen no documentation indicating that was the case. One of the Letterettes was receiving crank phone calls but the calls were inconsistent with the EAR's taunting phone calls.
Yes, there was one that I recall where the woman got the call as soon as her husband left for work. Portofleith, this is the one that I personal messages you about. The house was possibly the worst of the ransackings.


Response from PortofLeith

phone calls
dengas- Correct- the daughter was an Ideal Miss. The young man who took the blame for calls to the drill team took responsibility for calls to the band leader, but never for the others. He was labeled "mentally distressed" and said he could not remember making the other calls of which he was accused. That is one reason I would love to see an actual ransacker police report and not a summary.


Response from Repoman

No forensic evidence. Okay. I guess the next best thing would be a piece of physical evidence. Is there a piece of physical evidence that would indicate that the EAR was involved? If there was you wouldn't want to leave that out.....that would be misleading.


Response from dengas

The Snelling case has forensic evidence? Hair, fingerprints, or what? Certainly ballistics, but what else? I've never gotten an answer, even though I remember reading a very small article in the VTD stating that DNA evidence was being sent to a lab. The Article, as I remember, didn't say what it was, but I heard (total rumor from someone who lived on Redwood Drive) that the had lifted fingerprints off the window that was used by the VR to gain entrance on 9/11/75.


Response from CITB

Ok, think about this for min, really hard. These are sexual burglaries. There have got to be items with semen on them taken as evidence. You wouldnt leave that behind in an investigation of a sexual burglary, would you?

And yet. No word.


Response from dengas

so, if there is evidence that has been tested, And if it didn't connect the VR to the ear/ONS, why would Russ Whitmeyer, Williams, and Lampe say that they believed they were connected? And, likewise, if it matched....wouldn't that have made the headlines?
You are so right....questions without answers, only speculation. We all want to know FOR CERTAIN what the Ransacker's mark was.


Response from Sandia

Evidence
I wonder if Visalia in 1974 would have saved things with semen considering they didn't know that DNA testing would be developed in the future. Think about that really hard, o.k. OverConfident. miss cranky pants.


Response from Drifter

Well said.


Response from ? 

7-10 split
Balaclava is approaching the lane...his trying to pick-up the 7-10 split for the win. He approaches, releases and.......

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Topic: Brett Glasby
Poster: SpeakelofEngrish

Temporarily suspending my decision not to post here to deliver the following info, following-up on recent discussions of Glasby's whereabouts during the EAR/Sacramento period: Glasby's name and mug are in the 1978 Dos Pueblos High School yearbook, meaning that he was in Goleta from 1977 to 1979. So, quite finally, this individual cannot possibly be the EAR. Thanks and bye.


Response from Sandia

Speakel, In spite of everything, I wish to thank you for furnishing that information. I can't help but notice how you can dish out rude and mean comments but you can't take it. I have a suggestion. How about just trying to be a kinder, nicer Speakel and keep posting.


Response from DanCartell

Yeah Glasby aint EAR BUT.............

I and some people here believe the dog connection suggests Glasby and EAR have or should that be had some connection (direct or indirect) at the time of the Goleta cases and some of the details about the Goleta crimes are somehow linked to Glasby, If Glasby is properly scrutinised we may uncover something about EAR if not EAR himself....


Response from JaneDoe

How so Dan? Where does LE go to find the connection? The white german shepherd seems to be a deadend.


Response from DanCartell

You are right in asking me how the connection can be found and the best answer I can give is something I have said before: This is the sort of lead that should have been better pursued back then around the time of the crimes , its obviously going to be almost impossible doing so today 3 decades later. The dog may be a dead end but the fact that it may have been used by Glasby and EAR suggests maybe Glasby and EAR had some connection somehow hence the info that would be important in this regard would be who were Glasby`s friends and connections in terms of in the area, drug deals etc? EAR may have been one of those..... .

Its one of the frustrating things about this case that we are analysing these facts 3 decades later hence its difficult to track down relevant people,....


Response from JaneDoe

I agree, that Glasby could be the connection between Sac and Goleta. Who was Glasby staying with in Northern CA? That might be a huge indication towards the connection. Wouldn't you think LE has checked this out?

Even going so far as to inquire: who were the neighbors in Sac and who were the neighbors in Goleta.


Response from Sandia

Glasby's father knew an ex-cop or ex-detective, (I forget which, but guessting and port know) and this cop who lived in Sacramento actually hid Glasby out. If I understand correctly, he lived with the ex-cop while in Sacramento and worked as a roofer. Port stated he was up there "briefly" so I don't know exactly how long that would have been. Regarding the neighbors, next time I go to Santa Barbara, I will try to research who the neighbor's were at the time and if there are any original neighbors still living there or if I can track them down, I will see if I can ask them if they remember anything about Glasby or his friends. I have doubts they will be able to shed any new information, but who knows. It doesn't hurt to ask. I don't know when I can make it back down there though.


Response from DanCartell

Yeah good idea, another thing is : is the ex-cop still alive? if he is maybe he too can shed some light into Glasby and his connections.Another avenue to follow would be trying to find any info on Glasbys gang using newspaper archives............who knows there could be pictures which can be compared descriptions and sketches of EAR.................its a long shot but it may be worth a try. Another thing is since EAR was said to have a swimmer/athletes physique maybe he did some surfing and who knows there could be a picture of him in a story on local surfers around the time of the crimes.


Response from Sandia

I think that is a really excellent suggestion to interview the ex-cop. I don't know if he is alive. Probably guessting or port would know. If he is, he is probably getting pretty old and considering he broke the law hiding Brett he might be hostile, but maybe not. No time to waste in interviewing him if he still is alive. About Brett's gang -- as I understand it, he was a member of a local surfing group called The Haskells Locals and they hung out at Hanskells Beach in Santa Barbara and I guess they were territorial surfers and would beat people up that wanted to surf in their spot. I don't know if they were a seriously bad group or just some teens that fought to keep outsider's out. Brett was obviously a criminal into drug dealing and very violent and like they say "birds of a feather flock together" but I don't know how many of the Haskells locals were part of Brett's group. Possibly some other posters can shed some light. Someone previously posted a video on this site of the Haskells Locals along with a song. It might be available on You Tube. I wonder if anyone knows who was in Brett's core criminal group.

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Topic: EAR Military Connection Part 1
Poster: buckrodgers


I believe that the EAR definitely has a military background and was either in the Navy or Air Force—my guess would be Navy. If the EAR was the Visalia Ransacker (VR); then I believe he was stationed at Lemmore Naval Air Station. He probably lived around Lemmore, Hanford or on military base if they had housing (Have not looked it up). It would be an easy quick drive on the 198 to Visalia; then park the car and burglarize homes. Visalia was a much smaller community at this time and the police would have known all the local trouble makers in the city and surrounding areas from their juvenile records. As a result, it’s surprising that they did not have a POI or make an arrest. This is why I do not believe that the VR was from Visalia, but probably grew up in the central valley and had traveled to these regions as a child or maybe had extended relatives in Visalia / surrounding area. In addition, it can be postulated that the VR did a lot of RECON in the area where he based his activities. The VR criminal spree culminated with the death of Professor Claude Snelling and the shooting of a police officer. The Snelling case is very interesting because either the VR was evolving into a more sinister criminal or this was another individual and not the VR. After, the VR shot the officer McGowen, the ransacking activities stopped. While there are many similarities between VR and EAR the main difference is that the EAR seems to have been much more careful.


Response from Peterlee

This guy most probably was stationed in Asia if he was in the military and most likely had some experiences with Asian women. Some of the women who were stalked and raped were Asian. But it could also mean he was under the influence of Asian culture. The mid 1970s' was greatly influenced by the actor Bruce Lee and the kung fu culture in movies.


Response from buckrodgers

EAR Military Connection Part 2
Most everyone will be familiar with Mather air base because of the Maggiore murders which are attributed to EAR. It is possible that the VR was transferred to Mather or possibly McClellan and then morphed into EAR, especially if you consider him responsible for the Snelling murder / attempted abduction. Whether the EAR committed all of the attacks at during his time in Sacramento is subject to debate. IMO, EAR probably was not responsible for all attacks during time frame. The attacks that he is responsible for indicate a very high level of sophistication. I believe that this sophistication is very similar to SERE training; or it is possible that the EAR was SERE trained and this training occurred in southern California most likely at NAS in Coronado. It would be very interesting to see if there were any ransacking crimes occurring in this area (San Diego) say around 1970 to 1974. Maybe EAR was drafted into the Navy / Air force and was a Vietnam Veteran (say he was 18 years of age between 1967 & 1970).


Response from buckrodgers

EAR Military Connection Part 3

After intense activity in Sacramento the majority located in Rancho Cordova near Mather AFB; then we see this activity spreading to the 680 corridor which connects Travis AFB with Moffet Field (Naval Air Station) located near San Jose. Also, there is the Alameda NAS which should be considered. This could explain the attacks that occurred in San Jose, Danville, Concord, Walnut Creek, and San Ramon. Without knowing the details it is possible that the Davis attacks were unrelated to EAR or maybe EAR was traveling between Travis and McClellan and committed an impulsive act. Then the crimes abruptly stop in Northern California.

And they start in Southern California beginning with the Goleta murders. What if EAR was transferred to Vandenberg AFB or Ventura NVBC- Point Mugu / Port Hueneme. These locations are extremely close to Goleta murders and the murder of Charlene Smith. The southern murders may be explained if EAR was stationed at Seal Beach Naval Weapons Station. This is in close proximity to Irvine, CA which is readily accessible via the 5 and 405 freeways. Then the attacks stopped. Maybe EAR was transferred to the east coast or he was discharged from the Navy and slowed down with age until the 1991 EAR phone call to one of the victims.

Whatever the case IMO the EAR was in the Navy probably a Vietnam Vet, and may have been stationed at Lemmore NAS if he is the VR, if not VR was definitely stationed at either Mather or McClellan. Then Moffet NAS OR Alameda NAS and possibly Travis AFB. Then stationed at the Venture NVBC or Vandenberg AFB in Southern California. The military should have records of people stationed at these facilities that match the time frame. Then they can be cross referenced with age and physical description.It is likely that he can be identified by cross referencing his military record with the mountains of info in this case. Why has this not been done and how would you get access to these records?

I figure EAR would be around 60 to 65 today maybe older and the window of opportunity to catch this guy is closing if he is even still alive.


Response from buckrodgers

One of the reasons EAR may have moved around so much

The EAR was probably involved in the medical field at the base. This means that he may have been licensed with the State Board, I believe and if the VR it would be highly likely because that is where Navy HR is located and I doubt that has changed. It would explain why he bounced around so much or had the freedom of movement.

Mather had a hospital at that time.

Lemmoore had a hospital at that time.

Ventura and LA AFB had hospitals at that time.


Response from JaneDoe

buckrogers....it sounds good to me. The Navy HR department may have had the capability to access other databases around the state. The personal info provided in medical/health insurance files, for instance, give extensive facts. So much so that laws have been created to punish those who misuse the info. Check out this site about info:

epic.org/privacy/consumer/med_record.html


Response from Dogs

Ear Was in AF

I have been studying this case for decades, and I am certain that:


1. EAR was born between 1955 and 1958

2. He was 1st a military dependent, then active duty Air Force

3. He was not career military; he either was discharged or did not re-enlist

4. He has a wife or ex-wife who doesn't know everything, but knows enough. She will turn him in if she is forced to, but won't do so voluntarily.

5. He has at least one child.


Response from SammyT

Hi Dogs
Please could you explain why you feel so certain about these points...many thanks.
The reason I ask is because I have only been studying this case for five years, yet each time I feel sure that I have worked something 'definate' out about EAR-ONS, then an equally convincing counter argument appears!


Response from buckrodgers

Weren't some of his victims nurses / doctors?
Sammy- So. Cal one of his victims was a nurse and the other was a medical student or resident doctor. I believe in Sacramento and CC he also had victims who in the medical field, but I need to check it again. Military personnel or civilian contractors working in medicine for the military have a lot more freedom of movement than other individuals. They would be more likely to move between bases; which is what EAR did if you look at the map. Take all the VR and EAR cases and put them on a map and then add the NAS and AFB it's an obvious connection. And it is scary. When you read about how he was using San Jose Creek for moving in and out of neighborhoods; the selection of the house, priming the houses prior to an attack, then the attack and how he handled the victims; every tactic is carefully planned with military type precision. Unfortunately, it will probably very difficult if not impossible to figure out who was at Lemmoore, Mather, Moffet, Ventura, Vandenberg, Seal Beach and LA AFB within the killers time line. Too difficult to get the records and they are probably shoddy anyways; so all we can do is speculate. I thought that you might be able to get information for a licensed doctor / dentist / assistants, but this is also very difficult for that time period.


Response from akwilks

A number of EAR/ONS victims did work in the medical field. But that doesn't necessarily mean EAR/ONS also worked in the medical field. He could be someone with a grudge against doctors and nurses. Or the odd hours some in medicine work might be to his liking. Or who knows?

The other issue is that while many victims had ties to the medical field, others had ties to real estate, aviation and/or the military. Port created this excellent chart of ONS victims. It does not have EAR victims, or the Maggiore's (military/aviation ties) or "H & H" (computer/business ties). I put an EAR/ONS attack graphic done by the newspaper below it. Click on the chart, then click on "enlarge" to read it.

Original Night Stalker Victims Common Bonds.jpg

EAR ONS Graphic Map.jpg


Response from buckrodgers

AK- thanks for info

I have looked at this carefully, if the EAR worked in the medical field for the military i believe these charts support this claim. i understand that not every victim is going to be in the medical field. This guy is careful, so he would want victim selection to appear random. What I would really like to see is occupations of the victims in Sacramento, RC because this was a geographical area of very intense activity. I am wondering if it is possible to create a matrix that would be able to spot some trends and what these trends are? There has to be a pattern or some trends; no one is totaly random.

2 other very key questions- what happened to this guy between 1981 and 1986 and why did he stop after 1986?

Also, the descripencies in eye witness accounts are interesting with regard visual identification and the VR description is definitely different than EAR if you read the old press clippings and look at composites. But people need to bear in mind that perception is subjective and eye witness accounts are highly variable.


Response from Dogs

Sorry for the late reply, but I've been away from this site for awhile. I have no smoking gun type of evidence, only intuition borne out of experience.
When I was a junior in high school, EAR struck on the next block over. For about a year, he bounced all over my neighborhood, striking seemingly at will. The descriptions of his attire and hairstyle fit me and my peer group to a tee: it was common in those days to wear military jackets and/or boots, and wear your hair longer and parted in the middle. Given the proximity of the attacks, I am certain that he either went to my high school or one nearby. The Sac Sheriff's chase of the bicycle suspect over the Watt Avenue bridge and into Goethe Park sealed it for me. I feel positive that he went to the sanctuary of Mather AFB before the cops couldF catch him. If he was my age, he was too young for Vietnam or even for active duty. The only other likelihood was that he was a military dependent.I also contend that he eventually followed in his father's footsteps and enlisted in the AF himself. But chances are good that he would not or could not take the military command structure, and left the military at his first opportunity.As for the spouse part of my argument, this is where I'm going out on a limb credibility-wise. I feel that EAR had too much "style", for lack of a better term, in his clothing, hair, athletic ability, etc .... to be the quiet loner type. He seemingly loved to take chances, to purposely push LE. I can see him as the Big Man on Campus, perhaps the star football player or, better yet, a star wrestler. He would not hide in society, but would blend in by doing what everyone his age did: have a girlfriend, hang out at parties, eventually get married, and maybe have a child. If this is the case, then the spouse (or ex-spouse) would have a reason not to voluntarily divulge secrets: the safety of the child. If LE got a few clues and began closing in on the actual EAR, they could roll her in a heartbeat. She would be equally concerned about the child and would want to cut a deal. But she would NEVER just pick up the phone and call.Sorry for the rambling, but those are my thoughts and my experiences that led me to my conclusions.


Response from tad

dogs
I too feel he lived in the area he was hitting. I also think he was younger than people thought he was when committing his ransacking crimes.when i was in 9th grade a classmate of mine was breaking into homes and stealing worthless small items,but what baffled the police was that he was ripping up photos of the young girls that lived in the home.they caught him and 3 years later he murdered a 8 year old girl that was walking to the store.He got 25 years to life and probably will never get out. My point is he was only about 14 when he started this behavior.


Response from SpeakelofEngrish

I completely agree with you there. I think the EAR was someone similar to Paul Bernardo (whose wife, incidentally, participated in his crimes, which is not far off from the scenario you describe later in your post).

However, I must disagree with your suggestion that the EAR was in high school in 1976 or 1977 for a few reasons. One, it's very rare for a serial rapist to be in his teens. Even at -known outset (6/76), the EAR was fairly organized and controlled in his M.O. A high-schooler's psychosexual development would still be ongoing, and yet, there was no significant change in his operation throughout his rapes (76–79), aside from becoming more brazen.

Second, the length of time he was known to be in Sacramento (two years, from summer '76 to summer '78) is reasonably consistent with being a student from out of town. Either he had been in Sacramento since 1974, or he left school without obtaining a degree. More importantly, he was ostensibly absent from Sac during the periods when classes would be not be in session (summer months, winter holidays). That he struck in Stockton at times which would be consistent with his being "home" during a recess, and that he seemed to return to that area (San Joaquin) briefly in mid-78, would suggest he was from there, and not Sac.
Third, some behavior exhibited in his very first recorded attack suggests (to me) a level of sexual experience and jadedness that a high-schooler would be unlikely to display:

He moved to the side of her bed and pointed his knife at her nightgown.

“Take it off.”

His cold eyes were on her as she slid the nightgown over her head and automatically slipped her panties down and off. He paced the room, and then returned to the side of the bed. He pointed to the Tampax between her legs.

“Take it out,” he whispered through his mask.

His eyes chilled her as he watched her remove the Tampax and drop it to the floor.

“Roll over!”

- Sudden Terror, p.5

He repeats the template for a phrase, "Take it [off/out]," twice while pointing at the obstructing item, which suggests a coldness and level of sexual awareness (he's unfazed by the tampon) that doesn't smack of adolescence.

Finally, the mean age, based upon all victim and witness descriptions, of the EAR in 1977 is approximately 24. This changed slightly in Goleta (late twenties, early thirties), if we're to assume the Goleta perp is the EAR/ONS. Additionally, the psychological profile of the EAR/ONS suggests "an emotional age of 26 to 30 at the time the crimes were committed." Even if referring to the ONS murders only, this would apply to the 1979–1986 period.


Response from SpeakelofEngrish

Wow, man! I edited this five times in an attempt to have my formatting preserved, and each time, the resulting post's paragraph breaks were lost, and HTML tags were changed. Why AETV ever chose to switch to this particular platform, when there was absolutely nothing wrong with the old one—and in the process, chucking five years' worth of data—is beyond my comprehension, though I'm sure cost-cutting has something to do with it. Nothing and no one but their overhead benefited from it!


Response from Dogs

I don't disagree with your statement, but I will emphasize that this is a very unusual crime. Therefore, probability takes a backseat to experience and intuition for me. I'm curious about your statement "the mean age based upon all victim and witness descriptions, of the EAR in 1977 is approximately 24." I don't recall any victims placing any defined age range on EAR, other than saying he looked very young and agile in a general sense. Did you derive this from the book (which I haven't yet read)?


Response from SpeakelofEngrish

There were some victims who described the EAR as being in his late teens, and others (in addition to witnesses who observed 'suspicious individuals') who described him as being in his early to mid-30s—and many others, in between, who described him as being at various points in his 20s. I'm surprised you've not read the book.

Again, given also some of the behavior described in the book, the EAR did not sound like a 16- or 17-year old. I'd say "No way" on that as a possibility.


Response from lawstudent1

I agree with you SOE, his M.O. was much too sophisticated, crafted, and honed to be a teenager. He was either an extremely smart teenager who came up with the perfect M.O.his first time at bat and pretty much stuck with it b/c it worked; OR his M.O. was a product of evolution/trial & error - he kept what worked, discarded what didn't work and improved upon the weak areas. I tend to agree with the latter. Many will say that he developed his M.O. from Visalia. While I do not dispute this at all and agree that Visalia provided his M.O. with a strong foundation; there is also a big difference between ransacking and rape (with the exception of Snelling).

As you pointed out SOE, his first known rape as EAR in June of 1976 indicated that he was somewhat experienced (Even though you were referring more to his sexual experience). Either way, he knew what he wanted and how to carry it out. He was able to take control and be in control of the entire situation - not waivering or showing any weakness. This is why I am curious as to what he was up to during the six months prior to the June '76 rape - as this did not seem like his first time using his "perfect M.O." I say "perfect" because it has worked for him for over 35 years and we still do not have a clue who he is. -LS1


Response from Dogs

There were some victims who described the EAR as being in his late teens, and others (in addition to witnesses who observed 'suspicious individuals') who described him as being in his early to mid-30s—and many others, in between, who described him as being at various points in his 20s. I'm surprised you've not read the book.

Again, given also some of the behavior described in the book, the EAR did not sound like a 16- or 17-year old. I'd say "No way" on that as a possibility.
I need to work up the nerve to buy and read the book. I was in the middle of EAR Central for 2 years, and the very thought of those times still disturbs me greatly. Imagine a serial rapist-cum-murderer operating with impunity, not just in your hometown, but in some cases less than 200 yards away. When I heard about Crompton's book, I wanted to read it. But actually holding it in my hand, on a quiet night in bed, gives me pause. In a way, I would be re-living that time. My wife (who was my girlfriend at the time and lived close by) and I will never be entirely comfortable about our security until this case is solved.

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Topic: Bull
Poster: Bear99


Do we know for a fact that mr ear had a tatoo of a bull on his arm? Was that released by LE or somewhat of a rumor. It has me thinking....I know people have all kinds of tatoos nowadays, it is very popular. It wasn't so popular back then. Anyway, I have 3 tatoos, and they all mean something to me. Two are military tatoos, for when I was in the service, and one my wifes name, I would think especially back then that when you got a tatoo it had to be a very important symbol. So I'm thinking, what is the Symbol of the Bull? Do we have any Idea of what the tatoo looked like? Was it similar to the Texas Longhorns logo, or more of a picture of a bull? I think this could be an avenue that we could make some headway in. My first thought regarding it is he was "Western" like a cowboy. I'm thinking this because of the tatoo and the belt buckle. Were there any rodeo circuits going on there at the time? Were there any ranches especially in Visalia at the time? Are there any knots similar to the diamond knot that are used in ranching? What about a tie in with Lyman Smith considering he was in the business of shipping cattle to the Middle East? What was it like in CA back in that time as far as Western look? Was it popular? If anyone has a sketch of the Bull could you please post it? I think this is something that hasn't been talked much about on even the old board. I would like to hear your ideas!


Response from alicianotorius

Was the tatoo seen more than once?
I once had a temporary fake tatoo of a snake on my ankle that I got from my children's reptile tatoo book. My kids, and my mom each put on a different reptile tatoo. A few people thought it was real. Apparently it was highly shocking to them. Ha ha.


Response from guessting

Bull Tattoo

It is my understanding the bull tattoo was seen by one of the very young victims of EAR. Sorry, mind is a little fuzzy about this particular aspect but I believe it came out during hypnosis. I don't believe it was seen again. I have not hear it mentioned in any other reference in this case. So it is hard to say with certainty much about it unless someone else knows more about that bull. g


Response from watermokasin3

It was a young boy who saw the tattoo while taking his dog out late at night. It seems EAR knew he would be outside at this hour and planned to walk in the door this way. The bull tattoo would be a significant way to identify a suspect in 1976-77 but i guess nothing ever came of it.


Response from deadbolt

So this was the attack that a composite sketch came from--the one where the Ear is wearing some kind of bandaged homemade mask and has a quick draw gun holster and combat knife? A friend of mine I and are in the process of attempting to match each Ear mask with each crime, along with what "weapon of control" he used. It would be a visual representation, not of the attacks mind you but just his vast array of accessories, weapons, masks and wardrobe.


Response from guessting

Hi watermokasin3,
I consider all the residents of the homes EAR attacked in to be victims. Some while back someone was upset that I mentioned a boy as an EAR victim. EAR did not sexually assault the boy. I just wanted to clarify this.


Response from watermokasin3

Right i figured you were talking about the boy too because you know a great deal more about the case than me, I just remember it was the boy who described his mask, belt and had a somewhat clear view of him. still interesting that nothing ever came ofr this tatoo.
Its possible he painted it on (all black) as a decoy.


Response from watermokasin3

Yes, thats were the description came from, I'm pretty sure. That would be very interesting to see. just not sure how many known costumes or masks can be linked to each crime. there are so many diff masks and rapes here. I've also been curious to find out whats been said on the phone to victims and random neighbers when EAR called them. Besides the obvious recording.


Response from deadbolt

Tattoo--first and last glimpse.

"...not sure how many known costumes or masks can be linked to each crime. There are so many diff masks..."

Watermokasin3--

You are absolutely right. With the exception of perhaps 10 attacks or so, many of the newspaper articles and police reports won't mention what caliber firearm was used or what type of mask was worn, unless in certain instances.

As for the bull-ish tattoo, I believe this attack took place from 6/76 to 11/76, as it was one of the first ten or so, if I'm correct. If it was an early attack, the Ear may have been more evidence conscious as he progressed as to not let an exposed tattoo identify and incriminate him. This may have been the last time he exposed his bare arms?

Wait. On the last attack 6/79 he wore shorts and a T-Shirt.


Response from lawstudent1

That's exactly what I was thinking Deadbolt. Since EAR was extremely conscious about not showing is face, it also seems plausible that he would be very sure not to expose any identifying marks such as a tattoo of a bull on his forearm-which in my opinion would be more important to hide than hiding his face. I say this because it is a lot easier for witnesses to give various facial characteristics, but a tattoo of a bull is not very hard to identify or look for for that matter. I also wouldn't be surprised if he later underwent a procedure to remove the tattoo or cover it up. Does anyone know whether the info about the tattoo was made public at the time?


Response from deadbolt

I don't think that composite sketch was ever made public, but a description of the tattoo may have been published in the news.

On the subject, I spoke to an ex-con who actually was convicted of a crime through a witness description of his tattoo. He's in his late forties now and regrets ever having been inked in the first place. The late great comedian George Carlin also has a bit where he talks about why tats are bad for this very reason.


Response from Cimmerian10

Two things to consider:

1.) It has been suggested by a few very credible sources that there was an EAR A and an EAR B.

2.) Regardless of whether there were two East Area Rapists or not, EAR could have drawn that tattoo on his arm with a pen prior to the attack as a means of eliminating himself as a suspect. All he would have to do is wash it off with soap and water.

edit: Just realized that watermokasin3 and alicianotorious posed this question already... I guess I need to read the entire thread next time.


Response from lawstudent1

Cimm- Given EAR's intelligence, this could be plausible (washing off the tattoo). I actually think that idea is genius if a criminal were to do this. But if this was the case, there would probably be more witnesses statements regarding the tattoo and not just one. Reasoning: If EAR were to draw/paint/stick,etc a fake tattoo on his arm before committing a crime, I'm sure that it would have be spotted on more than one occassion because he probably would have shown it off so victims would notice it in order to tell the police. EAR would then wash it off at night, so if ever questioned, he could say, "What tattoo? Have a look for yourself." The only problem with this plan is if he was caught in the act and unable to wash it off. The more I write about this,the more this seems to be a stretch. Given that EAR is smart, I don't believe that he is that smart. If the witness identification of the tattoo is accurate, then I think the whole EAR A and EAR B theory is more plausible.


Response from deadbolt

In the last attack on 6/79 he was wearing shorts and a t-shirt. But maybe it was too dark. Which goes back to how careful he was as to not expose his face. He didn't even wear a mask in the ice pick attack, but yet his description is vague. In some cases, it was almost like he covered himself just enough, while the darkness took care of the rest. Plus he threatened victim's if they looked at him.

But yes, that would have been methodical to make a fake tat.


Response from watermokaskin3

He planned on confronting the boy that night face on, so thats one reason for him to want to throw off any description of him. Maybe he changed his mind later on or maybe it was a completely different person (ear b). I would still be looking at suspects forearms way back then.


Response from confidence is the balaclava

He's constantly described as wearing a t-shirt. T-shirt usually means short sleeve. If it were a long sleeved tshirt, ppl would mention it as that, long sleeved. So while a bull may not have been noticable, something, some ink, def would have. I do not think he has a tattoo on his arms, nor do I think he was dumb enough to show it. He didnt even show his mouth in all but a couple of the attacks.


Response from Samk

A few days ago I got my hair cut by a girl from southern Italy. She worn a pennant with a chili pepper. So we started talking about it. She said that in southern Italy the images of chili pepper, bull and bull horns are seen as things to keep evil spirts away from a person.


Response form Sweetie

That's interesting, although I thought those old images are DYING OUT, but what do I know...I haven't actually been to Italy, it's just what I have heard???


Response from confidence is the blavaclava

italian horns

Used to be the go-to for Italian men in the 70s. I never got why he was suspected to be italian, a bull to me would indicate a symbol of machismo and be worn by someone trying to bolster up their masculinity. Or I'd expect a latino more than an italian to have a bull tattoo based on cultural markers.

If it was the slightly tanned skin he had according to a few suspects, they lived in california, why wouldnt he have a tan sometimes? Most or all of the attacks took place in the semidarkness. And a persons arms and legs will get more tan than their face if theyre out in shorts or playing sports or working outdoors (and he was fit) and thats what they were basing it on, forearms and legs.

Anyway didnt someone say his dna showed him to be of norwegian ethnicity? I dont even know how thats possible, id like that explained.


Response from Samk

His DNA showed clear Scandinavian markers. That is according to someone on the old board. I think he was a man of mixed ethnicity. I think that he may have had Scandinavian ancestry together with other ethnicities also.

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Topic: Bull Tattoo
Poster: Clarice

This has always stood out as a clue that I was missing somehow. What could the bull tattoo mean?

Does it have some personal meaning, astrological meaning (Taurus). Maverick Airlines, Livestock Venture, Secret Club (like the jacket insignia),nickname (like Sammy The Bull Gravanno)? Is it a secret club as in the movie Hostel?

Anyone have a clue what the bull tattoo could mean?

Here is a link that defines meanings:

www.whats-your-sign.com/bull-symbols.html


Response from waterfrogger

I was actually thinking more along the lines of a gang related tattoo. A specific gang in particular that came to rise in Folsom around 1972. The tattoo has meaning, special meaning.

I still question the source; the source of the tattoo is so lame that I am usure if there really is a tattoo. Hypnosis? Gimme a break man. Kids are so hard to get information from becuase they are just so impressionable and willing to please. But since the information is there might as well keep that information in the tool box.


Response from Bear99

Maverick Airlines......The biggest Bullshipper.


Response from Sweetie

So I guess we'd say you're NOT on a Maverick Airlines plane right now? LOL


Response from f1guyus

If EAR had a unique tattoo that would serve to ID him no victim would ever see it. Except for maybe the ones he was going to kill anyhow.


Response from dengas

If he still has remnants of the tattoo, I'll be the guy wears long sleeves summer and winter.

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Topic: Case Facts vs Case Fiction
Poster: Arch

Now that the Goleta question has been definitively answered. I want to take the time to point out how damaging this "linkage blindness" has been to the case. My mission for posting on this discussion board has always been to disseminate accurate case information (or as accurate as it can be under the circumstances).

It has been frustrating at times because there have been self-appointed "experts" who have come on this board and postulated inane and ridiculous case theories that have confused the hell out potential witnesses (which is my only concern).

These "experts" claim to be driven by logic and reason and yet their theories fly in the face of logic and reason. When confronted with "case facts", the logic and reason that these "experts" are suppposedly relying on become even more convoluted and absurd.

The EAR A/EAR B theory was the worst of them. Now, thankfully, that has been put to rest. The Ted Kaczynski is the Zodiac is the EAR/ONS is the Lipstick Killer is the Phantom Killer is the (fill-in-the-blank) killer is the 2nd to the worst of Case Fiction.

Even after I pointed out on this board that the enhanced composite sketch from the Maggiore murders (released on 4/16/78) IS NOT of the shooter of the Maggiores, AK Wilks still has that composite side by side with TK's photo perpetuating the Big Lie that A) the sketch is still of the shooter of the Maggiores. It is not. and B) Ted Kaczynski is the shooter of the Maggiores and therefore the EAR/ONS. He is not.

There has been no announcement by the "EAR investigators" that they legally obtained TK's DNA and that there has been a match to the EAR/ONS. No one has bothered to obtained David Kaczynski's DNA either with or without his knowledge which leads me to believe that no "EAR investigator" now believes that TK is responsible for anything other than the Unabombings.

Like the EAR A/EAR B theory, once the DNA results come in on TK, this curiously constructed house of canards will fall in under it's own weight. And everyone will realize that those hundreds (or thousands) of posts were the result of Case Fiction that existed only in the dimmed soul of the author of the conspiracy theory. Dimmed because it is devoid of the light of reason.

The annoying and disingenuous composite shuffle, the comparisons between the EAR poems, the Zodiac letters and TK's writings,the numerology nonsense, etc. will all prove to be the product of an overactive imagination much like the EARA/EAR B theory. The damage done to this case by the extensive brain farts is untold. They say that truth is stranger than fiction. Apparently not in this case.

The worst offenders were not the authors of the convoluted and tortured logic theories. The worst offenders were the investigators who could not make the connection between the EAR and their cases when it was relevant. Because the SB investigators from 1979 and 1981 failed to see the connection, Santa Barbara residents were not told that there was a serial rapist from Sacramento now murdering their neighbors in Goleta.

Clearly, the EAR did not want that fact known, which is why is altered his M.O. and stopped stacking dishes and using shoelaces. Unfortunately, the SB detectives fell for this rather weak and paper-thin ruse. The EAR's Signature WAS ALWAYS THERE (as Hazelwood said it would be). Det. Crompton saw it. Sgt. Bevins saw it. And they told Sgt. Baker about it. Unfortunately, Baker didn't see it even though it was right in front of his face and pointed out in case he missed it.

If that possible connection was publicized back in 1979, this case most likely would have had a radically different outcome. For those detectives who did not see the connection back in 1979-81 (when other detectives did), one has to question what their qualifications were to be an investigator. Everything was there in terms of M.O./Signature to make the connection. DNA was not necessary to make the connection. It was necessary only to confirm the obvious (obvious to anyone who knew the EAR's work).

I am happy to say that Santa Barbara is making up for lost time. I have never been more hopeful for a resolution in this case than I am right now. To the investigators who were responsible for making the DNA connection, all I can say is that you guys rock!!!


Response from SpeakelofEngrish

Actually, I retract the following:

My link poses no threat, and if it did, it'd have been removed by this point

While the link indeed posed no threat (and did not send the end user to an "IP Catcher," an accusation, stated as fact, that was unfounded), the post was in fact removed (blindly by moderators who exercised absolutely no discretion).

AnArky, once again, it was a harmless bit of humor. You've made a mountain out of a molehill, and unduly cast me in a suspicious light. I have a good deal of contempt for you.


Response from thelostsock

I have no idea if the link was an IP Catcher but it's not the first time it's been posted on this message board.


Resposne from m13

We should all have a chalupa and calm ourselves. As "IamNotEARONS" astutely pointed out, they are a known cure for depression.


Response from AaaronTimones

I am going to eat a Chicken Quesadilla instead.

Thank you kindly.Tongue out

[Drifter]

Topic: Case Publicity
Poster: Arch

I hope that everyone here can understand why I do not want to generate any further publicity in this case until this TK issue is put to rest. The disengenous posting of deceptive and misleading case information continues. The only thing that will put a stop to this is TK's DNA being obtained. Until that happens, I do not see any value in bringing additonal attention to this case as it will be diluted by AK's refusal to stop posting the TK nonsense here. TK's brother DK will not put the issue to rest, either, so this stupid shell game continues.



Response from ladyofthelake

Has LE compared the latents from EAR to the VR's fingerprints?

Response from Arch

LOTL,

The current EAR case investigators believe that the VR and EAR/ONS cases are connected. So, i am pretty certain that they have compared the fingerprints from both cases. One poster here says that there has been a match. If this is true, this is further forensic evidence that TK is neither the VR nor the EAR/ONS. It makes the use of the VR's composite sketch in this trumped-up case even more egregious. The so-called case against TK is wishful thinking. My only concern is how distracting and damaging this all is to the real investigation. The TK is a "super-evil genius serial killer-theory" is a clear invitation to the conspiracy theory/lunatic fringe.

[Drifter]

Topic: The "AFC" Connection
Poster: casesolverforfun

I have brought this up to a few members on here but I believe the AFC decal relates to Aerojet. In the 70's Aerojet Fine Chemicales (AFC) was huge with working with military bases. I believe it was related to missle defense or something defense related. It was based right in the heart of Rancho Cordova as well. It is now called AMPAC Fine Chemicals.

At first glance I couldn't really find any other AEROJET connections until I researched San Ramon a little bit. Turns out there was a AEROJET General plant out in the orchards area in San Ramon and right on the edge Walnut Creek. It seems to be almost a central point between Concord and Fremont. Only 20 mins to either one. I stated earlier that I don't believe EAR left Sac area but maybe a link there?

I have read threads on here that some others have brought up the AEROJET theory as well. I couldn't find much of a connection for Aerojet in Goleta but I did notice Raytheon and Aerojet did work together on certain projects. Raytheon seemed to be pretty relevant in the Goleta, Santa Barbara area.


Response from PortofLeith

aerojet

Casesolver- Funny you should bring this up. I posted this article in a different context last week but note the Aerojet information:

www.jjmcgr.org/BK/Clippings/781024.pdf


Response from guessting

Another side note..

Aerojet was also where the state housed Franchise Tax board. In the 80's (mid I believe) the new FTB was built at Mahew. But all employees of the state had the same sticker on their vehicles as the aerojet employees. FTB hired a lot of seasonal employees that worked only during the peak tax season. g


Response from casesolverforfun

Wow what a coincidence Port hah.
I remember reading the vehicle was spotted near crime scenes as well as spotted entering military bases. Can somebody refresh my memory of which crime scenes it was spotted near as well as which military base(s)? I vaguely remember hearing a white male drove it onto a base but gave security a false ID number or whatever they used to enter...this number came back as an african american male.


Response from ONSTracker

I spoke to Dan Poynter the author of "The history of skydiving" about the decal. He suggested that I look at "missle recovery". I found this patch that has a parachute and missle.misslerecovery.jpg


Response from Sandia

I remember reading the vehicle was spotted near crime scenes as well as spotted entering military bases. Can somebody refresh my memory of which crime scenes it was spotted near as well as which military base(s)? I vaguely remember hearing a white male drove it onto a base but gave security a false ID number or whatever they used to enter...this number came back as an african american male.
Casesolver, When you told me this information some time back I passed the information on to Sacramento and told them you found this info and that you also discovered a link to San Ramon. Detective Ken Clark answered me and said they were unaware of this information and were definitely going to look into it. Great work Casesolver!
Port, That was an uncanny coincidence! If it turns out that this is the link LE has been looking for regarding the car and the decal and AFC, I can only imagine EAR/ONS might have soiled himself again when he undoubtedly read the article.


Response from Sandia

Wow, this decal is getting close. Interesting! Thanks for the great research ONSTracker


Response from casesolverforfun

Agent99 aka Sandia - Thanks Sandia! Hopefully it leads somewhere!
@onstracker - Very interesting about missle recovery. Thanks for that post!


Response from Sandia

TO CASESOLVERFORFUN
I tried to respond to your p.m. three times but either my computer is acting up or this site is acting up and it will not go through. Am I the only person who cannot send a p.m.? Anyway, I encourage you to send the info about AFC offices and the Youth Corps that Janelle Cruz attended both being in Clearfield, Utah really stunning! I really encourage you to sent that on to [e-mail]. If they already know it doesn't hurt, but they might find it to be of real interest!

Response from casesolverforfun

I tried to respond to your p.m. three times but either my computer is acting up or this site is acting up and it will not go through. Am I the only person who cannot send a p.m.? Anyway, I encourage you to send the info about AFC offices and the Youth Corps that Janelle Cruz attended both being in Clearfield, Utah really stunning! I really encourage you to sent that on to [e-mail]. If they already know it doesn't hurt, but they might find it to be of real interest!
Yes, I will do that! Thanks. Your last PM went through to me. So it should be working now.


Response from ONSTracker

This is from the Navy's website:

"United States Navy at White Sands Missile Range

The Naval Surface Warfare Center, Port Hueneme Division, White Sands Detachment, is a tenant command of the U.S. Army-operated White Sands Missile Range.

Navy History

The Navy was established on range on June 14, 1946, to participate with the Army in research studies and test firing of captured German V-2 rockets. During the late 1940s, the Navy was primarily involved in launching sounding rockets for atmospheric research. From the V-2 the Navy expanded rapidly with testing of its own Viking rocket. This work grew in the 1950s when the Aerobee rocket was developed and set new altitude and payload records. An early altitude record of 158 miles was set on May 24, 1954. Current rocket programs include support for the Strategic Defense Initiative.

From the early 1950s the Navy expanded into testing surface-to-air missiles because of an urgent need to improve the Navy´s defense capabilities against increasingly sophisticated enemy threats. On July 10, 1951, the first Talos missile was test fired. This program was followed by Tartar, Terrier, Standard and Aegis missile flight test programs. "


Response from PortofLeith

other defense contractors- Vandenburg July 12, 1979

ONSTRacker - Good find on the Hueneme division patch. Port Hueneme is a 15 minute drive to the Smith residence.

Naval Surface Warfare Center, Port Hueneme Division
4363 Missile Way, Port Hueneme, CA

Here is another possible AFC contractor: March 31, 1975: Name changed to Aeronutronic Ford Corporation. worked on satellite systems with offices in places like Newport Beach and Barstow

I do believe the car decal was probably related to a defense contractor involved with some component of missile recovery. For anyone living in the Southern San Joaquin Valley or the Ventura-Lompoc coastal areas, you could actually see missile launch tests throught the late 1970's and 80's. Unfortunately the closest decal in color and shape that I have found belonged to the Czech Air Force.

Coordinated at Vandenburg AFB 8 July 1979

Exercise GLOBAL SHIELD I. Through 16 July, Strategic Air Command

exercised every phase of its Single Integrated

Operations Plan (SIOP). Global Shield involved

both active forces and Air Force Reserve units.

Nearly all bombers, tankers, and missiles were

placed on alert. Some aircraft dispersed to preselected bases, while others flew sorties over

bomb-scoring sites. On 10 July, SAC launched

two Minuteman III intercontinental ballistic

missiles from Vandenberg AFB. At left, six

unarmed Minuteman III Mark 12 reentry vehicles

from those ICBMs are shown approaching targets

near Kwajalein Atoll in the Western Pacific Ocean.


Response from ONSTracker

How early was the decal seen? This is really early, but I think project Corona was until 1972.

www.15wing.af.mil/news/story.asp?id=123218686

Notice that all the project went back from Hawaii to California.


Response from ONSTracker

All Roads Lead to Aerojet (AFC)

(1) NRO

The NRO was established on August 25, 1960, after management problems and insufficient progress with the USAF satellite reconnaissance program (see SAMOS and MIDAS).[7]:23[8] The formation was based on a 25 August 1960 recommendation to President Dwight D. Eisenhower during a special National Security Council meeting, and the agency was to coordinate the USAF and CIA's (and later the Navy and NSA's) reconnaissance activities.[7]:46

The NRO's first photo reconnaissance satellite program was the Corona program,[9]:25-28 the existence of which was declassified February 24, 1995, and which existed from August 1960 to May 1972 (although the first test flight occurred on February 28, 1959). ***The Corona system used (sometimes multiple) film capsules dropped by satellites, which were recovered mid-air by military craft. The first successful recovery from space (Discoverer XIII) occurred on August 12, 1960, and the first image from space was seen six days later. The first imaging resolution was 8 meters, which was improved to 2 meters. Individual images covered, on average, an area of about 10 by 120 miles (16 by 190 km). The last Corona mission (the 145th), was launched May 25, 1972, and this mission's last images were taken May 31, 1972. From May 1962 to August 1964, the NRO conducted 12 mapping missions as part of the "Argon" system.*** Only seven were successful.[9]:25-28 In 1963, the NRO conducted a mapping mission using higher resolution imagery, as part of the "Lanyard" program. The Lanyard program flew one successful mission.[citation needed]

**NRO missions since 1972 are classified, and portions of many earlier programs remain unavailable to the public.***

The first press reports on NRO started in 1971.[10] The first official acknowledgement of NRO was a Senate committee report in October 1973, which inadvertently exposed the existence of the NRO.[11] In 1985, a New York Times article revealed details on the operations of the NRO.[12] The existence of the NRO was declassified on September 18, 1992, by the Deputy Secretary of Defense, as recommended by the Director of Central Intelligence.[13]

Project Argon

www.nro.gov/foia/CAL-Records/Cabinet2/.../2%20B%200068.pdf

6593th Test Group


Response from ONSTracker

All Roads Lead to Aerojet (AFC) Part II

(2) El Centro Naval Air Base

From Star Catchers

www.nro.gov/history/csnr/corona/StarCatchersWeb.pdf

"The plane we came to Edwards to fly, C-130A #53-3131, was the second oldest production model C-130 flying in the Air Force at that time. It was one of the few old C-130s that still had the “grasshopper nose” that housed the old APS 42 radar antenna (see the bottom photo on the previous page). The majority of the newer A models sported the characteristic bulbous nose housing the new radar antennae. Edwards also had two of these old birds they used for various airlift chores, including carrying the fire trucks that

might have to be used if the X-15 rocket plane made a forced landing on one of the dry lakes along its flight path. The 6511th Parachute Test Squadron at El Centro NAS also flew two old C-130s. What we noticed about #131 right off was that the pole actuators opened up and the hooks clipped to the poles instead of being taped to them. This made rigging much faster and easier. These modifications were eventually applied to the C-119s at Hickam."

"For the first 35 years, the mission of NAF El Centro was devoted to aeronautical escape system testing, evaluation, and design. In November 1947, the Parachute Experimental Division from Lakehurst, New Jersey moved to El Centro. In 1951, the Joint Parachute Facility was established and consisted of the Naval Parachute Unit and the Air Force 6511th Test Group (Parachute). The Air Force remained part of El Centro’s test organization for the next 27 years.

In 1959, an ejection seat designed for pilot escape from a high-speed jet at altitudes less than 1,000 feet was successfully tested here. The Mercury Space Program parachute system, used for the first U.S. manned satellites and the Apollo re-entry system, was also tested here.

****In 1964, the U.S. Naval Aerospace Recovery Facility was designated and on July 1, 1973, it was combined with the Naval Air Facility El Centro to form the National Parachute Test Range. Exactly six years later, the parachute test mission was transferred to Naval Weapons Center China Lake; and El Centro again became a Naval Air Facility.***


Response from ONSTracker

All Roads Lead to Aerojet (AFC) Part III

(3) China Lake (Barstow)

In July 1967, NOTS China Lake and the Naval Ordnance Laboratory in Corona, California, became the Naval Weapons Center. The Corona facilities were closed and their functions transferred to the desert in 1971. In July 1979, the mission and functions of the National Parachute Test Range in El Centro were transferred to China Lake.

The Naval Weapons Center and the Pacific Missile Test Center Point Mugu were disestablished in January 1992 and joined with naval units at Albuquerque and White Sands, N.M. as a single command - the Naval Air Warfare Center Weapons Division. At the same time, the physical plant at China Lake was designated as a Naval Air Weapons Station - currently NAWS - and became host of the Weapons Division, performing the base-keeping functions.

Mission

NAWCWD China Lake’s mission is to support NAVAIR programs in providing unsurpassed products and services to the Sailor and Marine by:

Performing research, development, test and evaluation (RDT&E), logistics, and in-service support for guided missiles, free-fall weapons, targets, support equipment, crew systems and electronic warfare

Integrating weapons and avionics on tactical aircraft

Operating the Navy’s western land and Sea Range test and evaluation complex

Developing and applying new technology to ensure battle space dominance

China Lake is a leader in RDT&E of guided missiles, advanced weapons and weapon systems. This is proven through 50 years of unparalleled products and the following attributes:

World leader in complex weapon systems and software integration

World leader in energetic materials and subsystems

Developed the Sidewinder missile (the world’s premiere dog-fight weapon) used by 31 countries

Unique world-class facilities and test ranges

Finest weather in the world for testing, with 360 clear days per year


Response from ONSTracker

All Roads Lead to Aerojet (AFC) Part IV

(4) Pt. Mugu/ St. Nicolas Island

NAAS San Nicolas consisted of the island's entire 13,370 acres. The airfield's single Army-built 6250 x 150-ft. runway had several hardstands. Station complement numbered 121 officers, 312 enlisted men, and nine civilians with barracks for 100 officers and 346 enlisted men. A 30-man dispensary and an auditorium with a 300-person capacity also existed. The station aircraft were usually a Grumman J4F Widgeon amphibian and a TBF Avenger.

Following the war, the Navy decided to locate all testing of pilotless aircraft and missiles on the West Coast. The site chosen was Pt. Mugu, 65 miles northwest of Los Angeles. San Nicolas Island was a major factor in this choice since it was an ideal location for placement of radar and telemetry equipment to observe missile testing in Pt. Mugu's 100-mile long range. Initially, the Navy spent $5 million upgrading the facilities. San Nicolas was officially disestablished as an NAAS on December 15, 1946, becoming an Auxiliary Landing Field of Pt. Mugu.

Today, San Nicolas is an integral part of the Pacific Missile Range


"From: www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread857569/pg1

Ms. Partusch, public information officer for the cruise missile program executive office in Patuxment River, Md., disagreed with that. She said most of the shots would go from San Nicholas Island off the Southern California coast, to the China Lake Naval Weapons Center in the Mojave Desert north of Barstow."


Response from ONSTracker

All Roads Lead to Aerojet (AFC) Part V

(5) Space-General Corporation (El Monte, CA)

www.libraries.wright.edu/special/collection_guides/.../ms310.pdf

David Gold Biography

..... "***In 1953, after obtaining an A.A. degree in engineering from Phoenix College, he joined the 6511th Parachute Test Group (USAF) at El Centro, California, which was at that time the world’s leading test facility for parachute systems. As a parachute development and test engineer, he helped develop both personnel and missile recovery systems and worked on ejection seats with Joseph Kittinger. ****He also was granted patents on a steerable parachute, a novel riser arrangement (“slip risers”), and a bi-area canopy. The steerable chute and riser design were incorporated into the “Tojo” parachute, which became the mainstay chute for the Army’s special forces for a number of years. In 1957 he began work for the Irvin Air Chute Company in Glendale, California, where, as head of the engineering department, he supervised numerous parachute system development programs, including a DC-8 aircraft deceleration system and the original mid-air recovery system for the first successful satellite recovery from earth orbit (the “Discoverer” program). During this time, he also was granted two patents as a result of work on a divestible harness project.

****From 1962 to 1965, as a project engineer and recovery systems advisor for Space-General Corporation in El Monte, California, he designed parachute recovery systems for a family of sounding rockets, including the Aerobee, the Nike-Kagon, and the French Veronique****. Next, he joined the Northrop-Ventura Corporation in Newbury Park, California, where his most notable achievement was his conception and design of the deployment bag, deployment bag retention system, and novel multiple reefing system for the three main parachutes of the Apollo spacecraft earth landing system.

In 1970, David fell victim to the massive aerospace industry layoffs, which occurred after the successful Apollo moon-landings, and did not resume his professional career until 1977 when he rejoined Irvin Industries. As a senior project engineer, he designed the crew recovery system for the WASP II flying platform, designed spin recovery and braking parachutes for the F-16 and the Norwegian F-16 aircraft, and assisted with the design of a recovery system for the Boeing/USAF Air Launched Cruise Missile (ALCM).

From 1980 until his death in 1985, David worked as the Chief Designer in Aerodynamic Decelerator Systems at the Naval Weapons Center, China Lake, California. Besides working on numerous missile recovery systems, he spent a great deal of time developing novel solutions to some old parachuting problems. This work resulted in patents (pending) for a lowered opening shock personnel parachute canopy, a gliding circular ram-air parachute, a self-adjusting parachute canopy with both low and high speed capabilities, and a reliable, low-cost, simple rectangular parachute design (the SquareX”) which permits the canopy to be made from a single square blank of fabric. In addition, he designed an emergency escape parachute for the crew of the space shuttle. In the spring of 1984, David was awarded the highest civilian honor given at the Naval Weapons Center, the William B. McLean Award, for “his contributions and technical excellence over his forty year career.”

David Gold felt very strongly that the parachute played an important and somewhat unappreciated role in aviation history. Throughout his life he sustained a keen interest in the history of parachuting thus becoming a leading parachute historian. He wrote numerous articles on the development of parachute technology, including papers for the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (A.I.A.A.) and the Survival and Flight Equipment (SAFE) Association, and acted as advisor on related parachute matters to the Smithsonian National Air and Space Museum, the San Diego Aerospace Museum, as well as other museums and organizations. He also held the post of chairman of the Historical Subcommittee with the A.I.A.A. Technical Committee on Aerodynamic Decelerator and Balloon Technology.

On Feb 4, 1985, David Gold died of cancer in Los Angles, California at the age of 67.

(6) AreoJet (El Monte, CA)

Court Petition from Aerojet General, 1980

www.nysdta.org/STC/Corp/1980/a_h_0002.pdf

Aerojet-General- Corporation

9100 East Flair Drive

El Monte, CA 91734

areojetaddress.jpgStar Catcher PageEl Centro Test Range6594thTestGrouppatch.dragon.jpg


Response from SammyT
All roads lead to Aerojet
This line of enquiry has been overshadowed in recent days by the newly released evidence, but IMO should not be forgotten.
This AFC connection should be looked at closely, and I'm surprised that more hasn't been made of this on the board!


Response from PortofLeith

Decal

These are the closest in shape and design that I have found. Unfortunately they are not related to North island or AFC. They are Czech Air Force. I did have one guy I looked at from Visalia whose father had been in the Polish Air Force, but no match.Czech Air Force


Response from privatecitizen

These are the closest in shape and design that I have found. Unfortunately they are not related to North island or AFC. They are Czech Air Force. I did have one guy I looked at from Visalia whose father had been in the Polish Air Force, but no match.Czech Air Force

Those are the closest so far!
The decal - the story in relation to North Island has never made sense to me. If Larry Poole knows exactly what happened and thinks the decal user was most likely EAR/ONS, I think it would be great if he released exactly what happened to get input. What the driver did or didn't do would pretty much tell whether he was military or not.

[Drifter]

Topic: Did the EAR/ONS go to American River College during the late 1970s
Poster: catch_him


pg. 152, Sudden Terror, He did not harm the girl or rape her. It was an abduction, he took her from her home and away some distance from her home. He cut her jeans off her and then said "This isn't working right" Then he said "I know you, don't I?" She said "No", He asked "Do you go to American River College?" She said "No", He put the knife against her neck and accused her "You're llying, What's your name?" She lied about her name. Then he said "I have to wait for my parents to leave so I can go home" He told her not to move for 20 minutes and he left.
Student records should be checked to see if there are any males with similar characteristics to the EAR/ONS. Because there are possibly some POI that went to that school back then who could be viable suspects.


Response from Sandia (or ladyofthelake ?)

Could be EAR/ONS has "slowed down" on his raping and murdering if he's now taking erectile dysfunction "medicine" to help him with his little problem.
Are you talking about Viagra? Wouldn't that have the opposite effect? Wouldn't that put him on a raping rampage? Or do you mean maybe that would help him have a successful relationship?


Response from Pilly

Think she means the latter. That the pill got him over the erectile dysfunction, so he might not have as much of the driving need to commit the crimes, if in fact, that was one of the psychological triggers. But if memory serves, Viagra didn't come out until mid 90's. Unless he was someone who would have access to early trials? Medical field? Under a physicians/psychologists treatment?


Response from f1guyus

If I Was Looking at Schools
I might have a look at the student body at McGeorge School of Law. For a student who served in Vietnam, came back and took a JD. Just Sayin.

Response from guessting

I will be checking out for awhile. I hope all of you have safe and blessed holidays. If I stumble across anything while I am away I will make sure the word gets to the board. Blessings to all. g