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How To Explain The Shoe Laces?

It is an accepted fact that EAR style pretied shoelaces were found at the scene of a double homicide. This is strong physical evidence that the EAR committed these murders. While shoe laces are a common enough item I personally have never come across a pair just lying on the ground with no other debris nearby. Have you? If so how often? Once or twice in your life? That would make it an uncommon occurance. So yes shoes laces are common but finding them on the ground nowhere near a shoe or other debris is less common but not rare. Finding shoe laces tied in the exact way that a known serial rapist ties them is in fact rare. Finding these laces in the backyard at the scene of a double murder is in fact a unique event. There are many scenario's put forward for how the shoe laces could be there and not be connected to the murder. No of them seem very likely or plausable to me. Just because something is possible it does not mean that it is likely. In my opinion by far the most likely theory is that the East Area Rapist killed Brian and Katie and the laces fell from his pocket as he pulled out the ski mask or gun. Please feel free to respond to this theory and explain why it is not by far the most likely explanation. Please refrain from personal attacks or insults as they tend to make your argument look weaker then it already may be. If your only response is going to be that the laces were not left by the EAR because various witnesses saw various people on various corners at various times then please do not bother reposting this scenario. This theory has already been stated and it does not address the shoelace evidence directly. If you think that my conclusions are clearly wrong then don't bother posting. I only want to hear from people who acknowledge that my theory is possible and can then politely argue their case. As I have said many many times before I have a lot of respect for Arch and his theories. I fully acknowledge that his scenario is possible I just don't think it is the most likely scenario. In fact I do not think it is likely at all. It is in fact possible and I would not say it is wrong because it could of happened his way. That does not mean that I do not respect him or his efforts. I just honestly and sincerely believe that it is a very weak theory. That is my opinion. Usually Arch is on the money and I agree with his conclusions 99% of the time. Conversely if you agree that the shoe laces were probably dropped by the EAR please let me know why you think that as well. There is no reason why these things can not be discussed politely on a discussion board. Attacking me personally will not change the fact that the pretied shoelaces were found at the crime scene. And no I do not think this is a popularity contest. Do my posts seem to be from a person who is trying to be popular? In fact I am not here to argue or to kiss anyone's ring. I am hear to give my opinion and to discuss different theories with the hope of advancing the case towards a resolution. Again please refrain from the personal attacks and insults
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Thanks Drifter for your sanity. I am not going fight the current. I will swim down stream to Storage Wars, and on my spare time try to figure this thing out. I don't think I can deal with these distractions.
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By Friday
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Storage Wars?

I really don't see the problem. This message board allows for several different threads to be going at the same time. If you do not like this thread then skip over it.
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OK, now I am understanding how this board works. I will try to find the appropriate thread to discuss my ideas, Thanks
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Re: A quick question ...
Posted By: Drifter

Longtime lurker here ... first posted message. I have studied Crompton's Sudden Terror, and read through as much internet information as I could find on this most complex and difficult case. I'm well aware of the Board's senior posters, the various controversies, and myriad theories and general trend of thought of posters here.

Just one quick question ...

With regard to the shoelaces (or shoelace), what evidence exists to prove that this artifact was not present in the backyard ... before the Maggiore shooting and, as a result, is relevant to this case?

Or to phrase the question a little differently ... I assume there is compelling evidence to support the idea that the shoelace (or shoelaces) was not present in the backyard before the chaos of the Maggiore shooting ... What exactly is that evidence?

Thank you so much for any response.

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Drifter,

The shoelace in question was found 15 feet from Sgt. Maggiore's body. It is impossible to tell how it got there. What can be eliminated by reasoning is it falling from the shooter's pocket while he was removing the weapon from his pocket (he had already fired shots before he reached Sgt. Maggiore in the backyard). Also, the notion that it fell out of the shooter's pocket while he was pulling out a ski mask can be eliminated as the ski mask was recalled under hypnosis and was not mentioned in the witness' initial statements.

The shoelace (IMO) would have to have been thrown by the shooter in order for it to have landed 15 feet away. Based on that assessment, it is not implausible that the shoelace was already present before the shooting occurred.
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Most of you are probably too young to remember records. You would put them on the turn table, lift the arm and place it on the record. If the record was scratched it would keep skiping in the same place. The only way you could get the music to play on was to lift the arm and move it forward. That way you could listened to the rest of the record.
I swear, you guys are stuck on the Maggiore's. Skip, skip, skip. Move on. For some reason you guys think this is the key to the EAR/ONS case. Obviously not. What about the Harringtons and Witthuhn? Was there any connections? Did they connect to the other EAR/ONS crimes. Geez, I can't believe you guys.

Friday,

With all due respect, the Maggiore murders may be CRITICAL to solving the EAR/ONS case. If the Maggiores were murdered by the EAR alone, your point might be well taken. However, if the EAR was not alone, there is at least one other person who knows his identity. There is still a reward being offered for information in this case and maybe this person might come forward at some point.

If the murders are connected to airmen at Mather AFB, the EAR MAY HAVE been an airman. There are other aspects of the EAR case connecting it to either Mather, McClellan and/or Travis AFB. If there was a conspiracy to murder Sgt. Maggiore by airmen involved in illegal activity at Mather, any one of those airmen can come forward and break this case wide open.

If the EAR was one of the conspirators, both cases will be solved. So, "skipping" the Maggiore case would be detrimental to the entire investigation. We cannot "skip" the Ransacker case for similar reasons. The Southern CA cases will yield the least amount of leads as the EAR/ONS was at the top of his game by 1980. Goleta 1 and 2 are the only exceptions.

The EAR's mistakes were made in Sacramento. If he was involved in the Maggiore murders (as most here seem to accept) than these crimes were perhaps his biggest mistake. There are other people who have information about this case in particular. I am hoping that they come forward anonymously and provide the information that will finally solve this case.

Until these questions are answered, there will be no "skipping over" anything.
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Re: Re: A quick question ...
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Posted By: Drifter

Longtime lurker here ... first posted message. I have studied Crompton's Sudden Terror, and read through as much internet information as I could find on this most complex and difficult case. I'm well aware of the Board's senior posters, the various controversies, and myriad theories and general trend of thought of posters here.

Just one quick question ...

With regard to the shoelaces (or shoelace), what evidence exists to prove that this artifact was not present in the backyard ... before the Maggiore shooting and, as a result, is relevant to this case?

Or to phrase the question a little differently ... I assume there is compelling evidence to support the idea that the shoelace (or shoelaces) was not present in the backyard before the chaos of the Maggiore shooting ... What exactly is that evidence?

Thank you so much for any response.

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Drifter,

The shoelace in question was found 15 feet from Sgt. Maggiore's body. It is impossible to tell how it got there. What can be eliminated by reasoning is it falling from the shooter's pocket while he was removing the weapon from his pocket (he had already fired shots before he reached Sgt. Maggiore in the backyard). Also, the notion that it fell out of the shooter's pocket while he was pulling out a ski mask can be eliminated as the ski mask was recalled under hypnosis and was not mentioned in the witness' initial statements.

The shoelace (IMO) would have to have been thrown by the shooter in order for it to have landed 15 feet away. Based on that assessment, it is not implausible that the shoelace was already present before the shooting occurred.

Arch,
With all due respect I just don't see how you can tell that the lace(s) didn't fall from his pocket. I agree that is impossible to know for sure how it got there. Maybe it was in his hand and he dropped it or maybe he pulled out the gun and the lace(s) wound up hanging out of his pocket and they fell out as he was chasing the Maggiore's. This is a very small point. I just don't understand the logic behind your statements. Declaring that you can eliminate by reasoning this or that. To me the most likely explanation for the lace(s) is that they fell from the killers pocket or that he dropped them. As I understand it their were no lace(s) in the backyard, then a very violent murder occurred in the backyard and the lace(s) was found near Brian along the general path that Brian and the killer took through the yard. Theses lace(s) were brand new, the same type and style that was used previously by the EAR, and had a knot consistent with the way that the EAR pretied his lace(s). If I remember correctly the lace(s) were brand new black boot lace(s). Of course we do not know for sure how they got there. So far the most likely scenario would still seem to be that the killer left them there. Wink
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Posted By: Archangel76
Posted By: Drifter

Longtime lurker here ... first posted message. I have studied Crompton's Sudden Terror, and read through as much internet information as I could find on this most complex and difficult case. I'm well aware of the Board's senior posters, the various controversies, and myriad theories and general trend of thought of posters here.

Just one quick question ...

With regard to the shoelaces (or shoelace), what evidence exists to prove that this artifact was not present in the backyard ... before the Maggiore shooting and, as a result, is relevant to this case?

Or to phrase the question a little differently ... I assume there is compelling evidence to support the idea that the shoelace (or shoelaces) was not present in the backyard before the chaos of the Maggiore shooting ... What exactly is that evidence?

Thank you so much for any response.

Drifter












Drifter,

The shoelace in question was found 15 feet from Sgt. Maggiore's body. It is impossible to tell how it got there. What can be eliminated by reasoning is it falling from the shooter's pocket while he was removing the weapon from his pocket (he had already fired shots before he reached Sgt. Maggiore in the backyard). Also, the notion that it fell out of the shooter's pocket while he was pulling out a ski mask can be eliminated as the ski mask was recalled under hypnosis and was not mentioned in the witness' initial statements.

The shoelace (IMO) would have to have been thrown by the shooter in order for it to have landed 15 feet away. Based on that assessment, it is not implausible that the shoelace was already present before the shooting occurred.

Arch,
With all due respect I just don't see how you can tell that the lace(s) didn't fall from his pocket. I agree that is impossible to know for sure how it got there. Maybe it was in his hand and he dropped it or maybe he pulled out the gun and the lace(s) wound up hanging out of his pocket and they fell out as he was chasing the Maggiore's. This is a very small point. I just don't understand the logic behind your statements. Declaring that you can eliminate by reasoning this or that. To me the most likely explanation for the lace(s) is that they fell from the killers pocket or that he dropped them. As I understand it their were no lace(s) in the backyard, then a very violent murder occurred in the backyard and the lace(s) was found near Brian along the general path that Brian and the killer took through the yard. Theses lace(s) were brand new, the same type and style that was used previously by the EAR, and had a knot consistent with the way that the EAR pretied his lace(s). If I remember correctly the lace(s) were brand new black boot lace(s). Of course we do not know for sure how they got there. So far the most likely scenario would still seem to be that the killer left them there. Wink
Why would he leave laces there if he was on a mission to assassinate Maggiore? Dont you think that maybe if it were ears that he would have cleaned out his pocket before packing his gun in there to go assassinate someone? Thinking he threw the laces there himself is also misguided, I believe. Ears did everything to lead LE away from him he surely would have done so if he were pulling a murder off. And doubly so if he were working with someone, who could narc on him to LE if he were caught. Say he was strange and, oh, offduty on all those days the attacks happened, etc.
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If you had to put 1 million dollars on the line where would you say the EAR/ONS is today

Say where and elaborate?



Gadsen not sure exactly, but I'm thinking somewhere in California.
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I guess we will see..
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By guessting
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May 1944. And Dec. 1947
Because I'm thinking two; one who filled in when the other was in mental facility, but helped by driving car, crying like a baby, and helping out however he was instructed/demanded to help out by the actual VR-EAR-ONS...and as you say, time will tell.
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Kicked around out of high school . Joined the military. Probably the Navy. Went to Viernam. Got mustered out on an unsuitable discharge or general under honorable conditions because he had problems with authority. Came back to California in ... mmmm ... dunno. And I still think staff at McGeorge School of Law is a fertile field. Even the janitorial staff. Maybe especially the janitorial staff.
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Kicked around out of high school . Joined the military. Probably the Navy. Went to Viernam. Got mustered out on an unsuitable discharge or general under honorable conditions because he had problems with authority. Came back to California in ... mmmm ... dunno. And I still think staff at McGeorge School of Law is a fertile field. Even the janitorial staff. Maybe especially the janitorial staff.
Matt Damon started out as janitor.
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Working at night as a janitor gave Matt time for acting lessons and screen tests and all manner of other things. Kinda like ....
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EAR/ONS today
I believe that he is still alive today. He seems to have been born around the mid-1950s. I believe that there are probably many rapes and murders that he's committed that no one knows about, even since 1986. He may have left California many years ago to avoid capture, but he may have left and/or come back multiple times.
I believe that any attempt to forge a longterm relationship with a woman has failed. He may have been married and divorced a couple of times. He has certainly demonstrated disturbing behavior in his private sex life. He almost definitely has no professional training or serious academic background. I wouldn't be surprised if he has tried college many times and usually failed at completing anything.This case seems to gain publicity with every year. I believe there's a very good chance that he will be captured someday, although who knows when that might be. It's all a matter of making the right person aware of this case.
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Re: If you had to put 1 million dollars on the line where would you say the EAR/ONS is today

EAR/ONS ...

born ... 1950

graduated high school ... 1967 (Sacramento County)

post high school ... Navy, Vietnam, booted out late 60s

post military (1969 to 1975) ... various odd jobs requiring mechanical skills, esp. telephone (or other communication device) repair

age in 1976 ... 26

during ten year EAR/ONS period ... unemployed

Relations from 1976 onward ... loner / no serious relationships / no living relatives / no job / no address / no bank account ...

from mid-90s to today ... left U.S. for Mexico, then migrated to South America

where is he today? ... deceased

when will he be identified? ... never

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best bet for i.d. ... compare juvenile offender records (Sac. County) 1965 - 1966 for males age 15/16 ... to records of Sac. County males booted from military (1968 - 70). Even this is a real longshot, with a 10 percent probability of success; other methods of i.d. decline from 10 percent.
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Re: If you had to put 1 million dollars on the line where would you say the EAR/ONS is today
Is he in heaven or is he in hell? That damned elusive pimpernel
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He was a Boy Scout.......He graduated from Mt. Whitney H.S.......He attended College of the Sequoias police academy .........He graduated from American River college as a Paramedic........He worked as a security guard on a Air Force base........and He maybe a teacher now ?
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If I had a million to play with I'd post a large reward for info about EARONSGSK. Then I'd pay for expidited DNA testing of any samples that are in the que now and any that develop in the future. And try to get media exposure in the whole sunbelt.
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Interesting new information

I just got back from the Santa Barbara Library researching something PortofLeith asked me to do. I got out all the available newspapers from March of 1980 to see if I could find the article telling about the Smith murders in Ventura per her request. While scanning the papers I found some interesting activity that may have nothing to do with this case but here is what I found for anyone to consider for themselves.


Remember H/H attack occurred in Goleta Oct 1, 1979, Offerman/Manning in Goleta on Dec 13, 1979 and the Smith murder's in Ventura on March 13, 1980. Carpenteria is between Santa Barbara and Ventura.

This is the article in the Carpenteria Herold "The police reported a March 24 residential burglary where an estimated $15 face-value in silver COINS was taken. The victim of the burglary said she came home and found the front door open and the interior completely RANSACKED. Suspects apparently entered the house through the garage, where they found a lawn tool and pried the kitchen entry door open. The burglar already had tried to enter through a bedroom window, where the screen was found bent away from the window, but the window itself was secure. (Note: The Visalia RANSACKER left a $100 bill but took COINS, he liked coins)

On March 26, 1980, an 11 year-old girl reported a man exposed himself to her. He did not try to kidnap her and the child said she thought he was driving a blue Toyota.

On April 2, 1980 a Carpenteria woman who lives on xxxx Casitas Pass Road said that about 7 a.m. her German Shepard came home with blood streaming from two .22 calibre bullets.

(There have been several incidents with dogs, the Goleta man looking for help for his German Shepard that had been stabbed, a separate incident where dog blood was found on the foot bridge over the creek by the Domingo/Sanchez murders and a possible incident in Sacramento where a dog was beaten to death)

p.s. the dog recovered, got shot in the hind quarters, I think he is basically o.k.These things might mean nothing or possibly could indicate that there are a lot of incidents that have not been connected to him
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Great work, Sandia. This is very interesting, and very relevant -- particularly the first entry, regarding the burglary/ransacking. Eerily reminiscent of the VR, all the more eerie given that the respective links of the Santa Barbara crimes and VR cimes to the EAR-ONS are speculative only.
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By SpeakelOfEngrish
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Thank you SOE
I think the dog part is eerie too.
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By Sandia
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Hello, Mrs. Sandia, ma'am.

Thank you for the information, ma'am.

I hate it when people hurt dogs.... especially puppies.
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By AaronTimones
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CArpinteria

Excellent job Sandia! The Carpinteria information is especially interesting to me because , on Memorial Day weekend, 1974 a couple was shot to death in their beach front home- a case that remains unsolved to this day. The Visalia Ransacker had taken a break in Visalia that weekend:


"Miss O'Neal and Earl Scoggins, 41, were found slain Friday in a rented beachfront house in Carpinteria. Ventura County Deputy Sheriff said each victim was shot twice. The singer and Scoggins reportedly had moved from San Luis Obispo around the first of the year."

Carpinteria was a popular vacation spot for people from the central valley then. Your articles are interesting because EAR was know to pry door frames to gain entry and did seem to have a fscination with German Shepherds.
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Interesting stuff. Whats up with the German Shepherd thing? So this would be the second German Shepherd injury to be entered into the conversation here on the board...


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EAR Crimes
Since nothing concrete (an arrest) ever came of the investigations into his (EAR's) known crimes it sure won't hurt to check out anything else that made the papers in the area around the time of the EAR crimes. Good thinking. Never know what might shake loose.
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By f1guyus
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Newspaper Searches

I think that this (searching newspaper archives) is probably one of the best proactive approaches that can be taken at this point. Especially in the SoCal area. It would be interesting to see if there were crimes such as burglaries/ peeping, etc. that occurred in and around Dana Point, Irvine, Santa Ana, etc. as well as other cities in between. Police were looking for a sexual killer at the time, not necessarily a burglar or peeping pervert.
I believe that ONS was the jogger that Patti Harrington encountered outside her house that night when taking out the trash. He was a jogger who wore Adidas running shoes. He was also the jogger with the german shepherd jogging away from the scene of the Domingo/Sanchez homicide. Just think about it: A jogger would not look suspicious running. What better clothing to wear not only to blend in as a resident of an upscale neighborhood but also to get away in a hurry if needed. This guy was no loner and he was also not a Doctor either (or someone with similar status). This guy blended right in as an average joe. He didn't stand out in a crowd - similar to a Dennis Rader, but smarter and not as desperate.
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Another creepy thing is Ted both stabbed and shot dogs in the rectum. Similar to what you describe here. Along with looking for peepings on couples, and house ransacking, looking for outrageous cruelty to dogs might be a good idea. It seems to be a possible pattern with VR/EAR/ONS.
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"I believe that ONS was the jogger that Patti Harrington encountered outside her house that night when taking out the trash"

What's this in reference to?

I'm just asking because I've never heard of Pattie encountering a jogger!
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The Mystery Jogger

In the thread at the bottom, you will find some talk of
The Mystery Jogger... hope that helps some Mr. ErikDavid, sir.Smile



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Thank you Sir!

You have refreshed my memory well
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Thanks Aaron. I don't think that I could have found my own post as quick as you found it!
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Articles around the time of the murders

This appeared in the Orange County Register in March, 1981 shortly after the Witthuhn murder . I know the fired Security Guard at Niguel Shores was cleared in the Harrington case, but is there a more perfect job for prowling around at night?




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This appeared in the Orange County Register in March, 1981 shortly after the Witthuhn murder . I know the fired Security Guard at Niguel Shores was cleared in the Harrington case, but is there a more perfect job for prowling around at night?




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Dear Port. This is really something! Do you know if the investigators currently working on this case are aware of this! If not, this info definitely needs to get to them. IMHO a cat burglar "in" someone's bedroom is more than a burglar and in the bedroom with a husband home is another big red flag. Huge lead "if" it already hasn't been investigated. Do you know any more? Was he wearing a ski mask at the time? Did he bring a dog? Did he fit EAR/ONS's physical description, i.e. race, height, hair color? The age is right in there. Is there any way to get more information on this incident? This is very exciting to me, I hope you forward this on the the proper authorities.
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By Sandia
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Dennis Rader, EAR-ONS, and sleuthing

The advantage the EAR-ONS case has for amateur sleuthing is the geographic profile. Dennis Rader was mentioned earlier in this thread. The thing about Rader is, I don't believe any amount of amateur sleuthing could have uncovered Rader's identity. His own technological ignorance and hunger for media spotlight are what tripped him up. Prior to his re-emergence, I can't imagine his identification having been facilitated by way of, say, a forum like this. And this is true of most cold cases and unidentified serial killers. Jack the Ripper, unfortunately, will never be identified, and it's unlikely we'll ever know the identities of the Zodiac or DB Cooper. I can't, in fact, think of a single case that's been solved by individuals outside of law enforcement, private investigation, or tipsters close to the perpetrator.

I may be repeating myself here, but the EAR-ONS is a unique offender in that there's a very specific geographic profile, and the loci are not areas he was merely "passing through." There were clusters of crimes over extended periods of time in dispirate regions of California, suggesting almost beyond doubt that he resided in these places. We know he lived in the Sacramento area, and we know when he lived there, and we also know he lived in Southern California and when. We have a good idea of the places he lived. We know that he probably had connections to Irvine and to Santa Barbara, specifically Goleta. We can also consider the possibility of him having lived in Visalia as just that: a possibility to keep in mind.

Therefore, with enough dilligence, I believe anyone who's committed enough to identifying the EAR-ONS can do so. It's not an impossibility, as it may have been in the BTK case.
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By SpeakelOfEngrish
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Impressive research Sandia...

Your research is a classic example of thinking outside the box! The ransacking burglary sounds eerily like VR in a different location.........I was thinking about your statement that VR liked coins and why he ignored a high value note. I came up with two likely reasons 1) he may have been an avid coin collector and 2) coins are virtually untraceable (as long as they are not rare) should he decide to use them whereas paper money can be traced if you know the serial numbers or it has special markings.....I was also intrigued by the case of the 11 year old girl ,because our bogey man being a serial rapist could possibly have exposed himself to women and young girls as a lot guys involved in sex crimes like rape started innocuously enough doing things like exposing themselves then went all the way up to rape etc. On the case of the girl did they give a description or mention the size of his manhood? It would be interesting to know if there were cases of young men exposing themselves in places the EAR liked to target or may have lived in, it may be a pointer.........Another thing is given how the crimes you mention sound like our guy (EAR/ONS/VR) it does raise the question : did he really stop between 81 and 86 or was he committting crimes in other nearby places ?
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Is anyone listening out there?

I am getting very frustrated here. Typing typing typing. Going to the police going to the police going to the police.

This discussion could go on and on, but I know who it is! Is anyone listening?

I know who it is!!!!!

Santa Barbara Police....are you listening? Don't be fooled by someone because they appear to be a PTA dad! Does he want people to think I'm crazy? YES!!!! Of course he does!!!! That way no one will listen to me. Ventura police, did you get any DNA yet? How long does it take to find out results? Does it really need to take months?

He is planning to leave the State of California in early June. In just a few weeks he may be gone! Out of the picture...laying on a beach somewhere on a tropical Island, never to be seen again. Please hurry up.

I know he wanted to kill me himself, but he hasn't been successful yet. At this point, if I die it will probably be because of some unexplained accident. Unless he gets really bold. I have already had many things happen, that could have caused my death. Front tire exploding on freeway because of a large nail hammered into my tire. There was no bolt holding in the front axel either. I had a large object (maybe a beam) fall off an overpass of the 405 , and just nick the back of my car on the 405 FWY a little over a year or so ago. It was so heavy that it shook my car hard, even though it barely hit it.

There isn't time to get distracted at this point. It is now or never.

If anyone can...check out the Bozeman MT highschool yearbook photos. Class of 1982. He wore glasses in some pics, but usually wears contacts. He is one of the Johns.

Please, lets get moving!
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What would you like us to do?
AN,
I am not sure what exactly you are looking for. If you have gone to the police over and over and they are not listening call the media, get an attorney, do whatever you have to do. For me ,your guy does not fit the facts of this case. If he has committed other crimes you are aware of turn him in for those. Other than that I have no advise for you. Do make sure you are not setting yourself up for more victimization. Also be sure when you make these statements that they are factual. The cost of errors can be quite expensive. Implying someone is EAR who is not and could not be could be a big problem and costly. Putting this on a public board could open up a can of worms you are not prepared for. Move forward carefully and with wisdom. g
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By guessting
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Class of 1982
If your suspect graduated from high school in 1982, then he is too young to be Ears and he would have been in Montana during the crimes 1978-1981. If you really believe he is trying to kill you, go to the police.
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By PortofLeith
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DNA
You can have DNA results within a day or two if requested. g
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By guessting
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AN: Wrong Age

AN--

It's been said before by several others that your suspect is too young; however, I feel the need to reiterate because, frankly, you've been shoving this down the throats of everybody here on this board for quite a few months. Your suspect would have been thirteen years old at the beginning of the crimes in Sacramento. The EAR/ONS started young, but not that young.

In all seriousness, you need to go to the police if you feel that your life is in danger. I'm not trying to make light of your situation, but it seems to me that your postings on a suspect in this case revolve around a very acrimonious domestic situation involving your ex. This is not the venue for that. In remaining frank about it, you haven't offered anything that compellingly and logically links your suspect--i.e., your ex--to any of these crimes. Please forgive me for being harsh, but this is very serious, and these rambling posts are not constructive. I hope that you are able to get through whatever difficulties you are having with this person.

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"The EAR/ONS started young "

No he did not.
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Don't Bite..
We know the truth. Some don't! I'm with you AE7.
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Okie-dokie! What makes you think he started out young though? How young?
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I believe he would have been late 16 early 17!
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With all due respect for you all and your insulting replies to
my input, I will back off and let you continue your earons fest. I'm done with you all.
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There is a reason the LE is silent about certain things, and this board is a perfect example of why. People take one little comment and run with it as though it is fact. Others who may have actual facts are insulted and ignored. It is just another cross section of society here, and this particular cross section is infatuated with the idea that they can solve seriuos crimes with no actual real knowledge or facts- by over talking others and putting them down. BS. I hope you find your killer
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Ausprofiler when do you think he was 17? In 1976? Certainly the Visalia Ransacker was not a 15 year old child? I think the Visalia Ransacker was 30-34. EAR would be 35-39. ONS 40-50.

If EAR was 17 in 1976 he was an unusually intelligent 17 year old kid. He would have to have a great deal of free time on his hands (as in no family, no friends, no job, no school). Possible but extremely unlikely.
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Is this the new revelation?

So this could be the new revelation that people were discussing. An important update in the sense that this officially links ONS to Santa Barbara now and SB seems to be on board, but I think we all knew this piece of info already...

www.ksby.com/news/dna-links-suspected-serial-killer-to-goleta-double-homicide-30-years-ago/
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This is ONE very important new development. There may be more to follow.

This confirms what most police investigators and researchers have long suspected.

But this was also denied by some - some police and researchers insisted, despite the MO matches, that the Goleta murders were NOT done by the EAR/ONS.

Now we know for sure that they were. At least we know for sure that Domingos/Sanchez was done by the EAR/ONS, and I think, given MO matches and other evidence, we can now say with near 100% certainty that Offerman/Manning and H & H were also done by the EAR/ONS. Would anyone dispute that?

IMO this also slightly increases the likelihood of something I have considered possible - that the EAR/ONS may have got his start minutes away from Goleta, at the beach by Gaviota Tunnel in Santa Barbara County, by killing Domingos and Edwards in 1963.

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Here's a slightly more detailed article: www.edhat.com/site/tidbit.cfm?nid=54726
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Yes! EAR-ONS Goleta killing verified!

www.edhat.com/site/tidbit.cfm?nid=54726

just making Erik's link clickable.


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By Breccia
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Now...

that this murder in Goleta is confirmed, time to find the dog.

Also, if Sanchez was not raped, where did they get the semen sample from?

Was it similar to how LE found Offerman's body?

Perhaps EAR was also into necrophilia?

Sick.
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Posted By: Breccia

www.edhat.com/site/tidbit.cfm?nid=54726

just making Erik's link clickable.


Thanks Breccia!

I should add, it takes me, in general, about an hour to figure out how to turn my computer on everyday
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that this murder in Goleta is confirmed, time to find the dog. Also, if Sanchez was not raped, where did they get the semen sample from?Was it similar to how LE found Offerman's body?Perhaps EAR really did have problems dealing with homosexual tendacies...Or was he into necrophilia? Sick.
This throws a lot of "facts" into new light. We've been told there were no sexual assaults in the Goleta cases. In my opinion, the presence of the killer's semen at a murder scene makes it a sexual assault: actual rape or not.
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Mr. EAR-ONS' DNA

DNA Technology Links 1981 Double Murder in Goleta to Suspected Serial Killer By Lara Cooper, Noozhawk Staff Writer

Santa Barbara County Sheriff’s Department officials announced Thursday that DNA technology has allowed them to positively link a serial killer to an unsolved Goleta homicide that occurred almost 30 years ago.

In 1981, Cheri Domingo, 35, and Gregory Sanchez, 27, were murdered while house-sitting in a home on the 400 block of Toltec Way in Goleta. Their murders were preceded by another double homicide 18 months earlier, when Dr. Robert Offerman, 44, and Alexandria Manning, 35, were murdered in a Goleta condominium.

“For two years, there was a cycle of burglaries, break-ins and these two double homicides that kept the community in fear,” Sheriff’s Department spokesman Drew Sugars said in a news release. “In the nearly 30 years since these murders, the trail and leads to identify the killer have gone cold.”

Sugars said there has long been speculation that the two double homicides were related. Specifically, the East Area Rapist of Southern Sacramento County in the 1970s was discussed, as well as the Original Night Stalker, responsible for multiple murders in Ventura and Orange County in the 1980s.

DNA evidence eventually linked those two profiles as the same person, though the identity of the killer remains unknown.

Sheriff’s Department cold case investigators Glary Kitzmann and Jeff Klapakis recently brought out the evidence again.

“With recent advancements in DNA profiling methods, it was important for us to push forward and re-evaluate evidence in this case before it deteriorated and became useless,” Sheriff Bill Brown said. “As this investigation shows, we never close a murder case unless a suspect is identified and brought to justice.”

More than 50 items of evidence were screened and analyzed by officials at the California Department of Justice Santa Barbara laboratory, according to the news release. Only low amounts of degraded DNA were recovered, but a component of semen was recovered from two small stains detected on one of the items. A technique that allows typing of degraded DNA was used, and a DNA profile was submitted.

The profile was attributed to the individual known as the East Area Rapist and the Original Night Stalker.

“This is the first piece of physical evidence connecting the Cheri Domingo and Greg Sanchez homicide to the East Area Rapist and the Original Night Stalker since the Goleta crimes occurred in 1981,” the statement said.

It remains unknown whether the Offerman/Manning homicides are related, but investigators are optimistic that evidence may reveal a connection.

Anyone with any information that might be helpful to the investigation are asked to call Santa Barbara sheriff’s detectives at 805.681.4150 or the Sheriff’s Anonymous Tip Line at 805.681.4171.
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Wow, this is huge. Even though most of us here knew it all along, this development really thrusts this case into the headlines again, giving it the publicity that it needs and deserves. Hopefully major media outlets will also pick up on it.
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yeah DNA from semen

so wow. not only is EAR/ONS responsible but it WAS a sexual attack (in addition to rage-based murder.)

not to say "No Way" to other hypothesis (the guessed at homosexual attack, based on body position, of Dr.Offerman...the Professional Profile purporting possible homosexual panic); stating the DNA's from semen puts this firmly in the heterosexual sex-based slaying category. [this is and has been my opinion]

Why this makes sense to me:

1. the 1525 Queen Ann Way, Goleta attack-- EAR/ONS (yeah, 98% or greater chance means saying 'EAR/ONS' now) was distracted and somehow inhibited but nothing the living victims say indicate it was a homosexual or cloaked homosexual attack.

2. EAR masturbated himself (and forced female victims to masturbate him which I consider a different act) in addition to leaving semen stains when sexual activity seemed, to the victim, incomplete.

the non-dnalinked attack on "Louise Simon" pdf 39/496 : "he thrust...into her. Moments later, he was out of her, standing over her. "It didn’t take long enough", she thought to herself..."

Clearly EAR emmitted semen.*



* Twelve Sacramento victims had sufficient semen stains that could be examined by the various crime labs. All twelve, and the three Contra Costa victims, Louise Simon, Sunny Walther, and Teresa McCrae, each confirmed that the attacker was a non-secretor. SuddenTerror pdf 79-80.

an asside note: all these non-dna linked attacks with the strongest sort of m.o. link ARE linked by the non-secretor semen. Can the evidence of EAR be anymore likely? no is the answer.


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So is this the break or update in the case that was talked about a few weeks ago?
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I'm far from being the spokesman here
but yes, it is.
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By Breccia
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off topic: Now...

MovieMan wrote, "Now, that this murder in Goleta is confirmed, time to find the dog."
.....................
took me a minute to get that one.
yeah. EAR's shepard and the dog himself.
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Does anyone else think it might be significant that the last EAR couple's attack prior to the Queen Ann Way Goleta couple's escape was the incident where the big bulky husband jumped out of bed screaming and cursing at EAR causing him to flee in terror?

So EAR craps his pants and flees in shock and horror from this scene on 7/5/79 and then shows up in Goleta 3 months later on 10/1/79 not nearly as prepared as usual and wanders around muttering "Gonna kill them, gonna kill them" and then after screwing this attack up he becomes ONS with no turning back.

I'm wondering if the husband scaring him away was what finally tipped him over into fully intending to kill each time thereafter.
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I keep wondering why the attacks were clustered in Goleta and the other three attacks were spread out (before he reoffended in Irvine in 1986).
Good point erikdavid. I think we saw the real EAR/ONS when he was confronted in Davis. You have to assume he was carrying a weapon but the guy getting in his face and screaming at him seemed to paralyze him (from the accounts) and he just stood there. It makes me wonder how much control he had in his life and whether in his day-to-day existence he was a much meeker individual than one would think.

I can't recall. Did they think he brought the dog to Offerman crime scene?
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Shepard formerly known as Woofie

hubertj2 wrote, "I can't recall. Did they think he brought the dog to Offerman crime scene?"
..................

Absolutely



pdf 451-452 : ...star shaped design of Adidas Runner were located on the soft earth in the back yard. They were the same shape, design and size of the shoe impressions found at the [Queen Ann Lane attack] residence on October 1st and also matched shoe impressions in the neighbor’s yard. Dog paw impressions were found along with the shoe impressions on the Offerman property. Neither Offerman nor his neighbor owned a dog.

The evidence Crompton put together linking the QueenAnn Lane attack to the Offerman/Manning murders linking to the NOW DNA LINKED Domingo/Sanchez sexual attack and murders....well...Crompton's insight, once again, proves to be right.
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The Man With The Stabbed Dog

THE MAN WITH THE STABBED DOG... SEPTEMBER 24, 1979... MR. GREGORY SANCHEZ AND MRS. CHERI DOMINGO .... JULY 27, 1981 .....
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regarding The Man with The Stabbed Dog

right Aaron. as erikdavid says (his source's information) the Man who used the phone...called for a friend to pick him up...later returned with a rose ISN'T what we're talking about when the German Shepard (hairs...3 toed) at the Offerman and Domingo/Sanchez murders is mentioned.

A dog was with EAR-ONS at the murder scenes. Hairs and paw prints confirm this.



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I think this guy was staying with family in Goleta on the occasions of the Goleta attacks. He steals a bike one night and then rides it back for his first aborted Goleta attack. Did he load this stolen bike into a car the first night and then unload it from where he was parked the next night to ride to the H/H residence? Perhaps: or did he ride it to his folk's home that first night and stash it in the backyard? So, then he has to ditch the bike the night of the H/H attack so, he decides to bring the family dog out when he's staying at the house a couple months later. How many friends would just let you take their dog out with you jogging in the dead of night? Maybe some, but if it was the family dog, that's more likely. A grown dog won't just obey anyone who puts it on a leash, so it would be stupid to take a dog you don't know very very very well out with you to commit murders. Also, having the dog with him would make getting away even more difficult if you didn't live (or were staying) pretty damn close by.

So, unless this theory is true, why would he bring the dog with him only for two Goleta attacks that were almost two years apart? We only have evidence related to the dog at the Offerman/Manning, Domingo/Sanchez scenes, right?

The only sense I can make of it is that the dog belonged to whoever he was staying with in Goleta: and who was more likely to be family.... So, someone must have known someone who stayed with them in Goleta on such and such dates and who took their dog out with him jogging...... Still a needle in a haystack, but it's at least a possibility.
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ONS

See by blog. I know who did these crimes. I even wore his clothes.
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By kath1
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Goleta theory

The tight cluster, as noted by Hubert, of crimes in Goleta is interesting, and somewhat distinct from the other locations. Here's what I believe to be the case:
Offender was from Goleta. Finished his business up north (school or military) and returned home to Goleta at the end of summer/beginning of autumn, 1979.
Offender did not have access to a vehicle during this period, until shortly before March 1980, when he surfaced in Ventura.
Offender was living in Orange County from summer of '80 through May '86 and possibly beyond. The satellite relationship of Dana Point to Irvine is similar to the relationship of Ventura to Goleta. The crimes in Irvine were against lone women, spaced five years apart. He likely had no concern that these would be connected to each other or any other crimes, so they were probably in close proximity to where he was living.
Offender probably returned home for a visit, possibly for an occasion or event, in July of 1981, during which time he offended close to his family home out of no concern he'd be connected, as he was no longer a resident of Goleta.

I think, of the three Goleta attack scenes, he lived closest to Sanchez/Domingo (Toltec).
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Jack from Quincy

In the book "Sudden Terror" several days before the attack on a babysitter in the Little Pocket neighborhood a nurse noticed (who lived on the same street as the attack would occur on) a strange character came into Stockton hospital. He said he was "Jack from Quincy" singing a Johnny Cash song and mentioned sexual problems.

A popular TV show at the time was Quincy, M.E.

It aired 10/3/1976 - 9/5/1983

It stars JACK Klugman in the role of a Los Angeles County Medical examiner who routinely butted heads with LE in order to solve cases.

Quincy was a retired Captain in the US Navy and remained in the Naval reserve. Quincy lived on a sailboat in a permanent boat slip in Marina Del Ray.

The attakcs on medical professionals and their families stretched from the VR all the way thru the EAR and ONS attacks. I find this hard to be a coincidence.


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jack from quincy
interesting- there is most certainly an affinity for the medical professions.
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Re: Jack from Quincy
Just as an aside. How accurate was Quincy when it came to detailing police forensic techniques at that point? It has been years since I've seen an episode, but was curious with how much it laid out to the viewer what was know forensic / investigative wise in 1976.
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Just as an aside. How accurate was Quincy when it came to detailing police forensic techniques at that point? It has been years since I've seen an episode, but was curious with how much it laid out to the viewer what was know forensic / investigative wise in 1976.
What I remember is a lot of hair and fiber evidence. That and various outbreak scenarios where some rare virus was about to spread and kill everyone until Quincy figured it out.
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Quincy

Where is Quincy when you really need him? Seriously folks, can anyone remember the first time they heard about the LE possibilities of DNA. The basic research was done in the 1950's and I'm thinking I read about it's usefullness to LE sometime in the late 80's when a serial killer in the UK was identified using DNA. I'm also thinking that it was about that time EAR decided to beat feet from California. If he did. He had to read a newspaper article or see a newscast and think "oh stool, time to go".
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Surgical mask
If memory serves me correctly, in one of the EAR cases he wore a surgical mask. There have many discussions in the past about a medical connection. This guy lived in a fantasy world much of the time. I dont think he was a medical professional per se. I think he more likely had a resentment toward the medical community for being unable to solve his many problems. It wouldn't suprise me if this guy had a stint an an EMT just to get close the action.
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Jack from Quincy

Conquistador- I always assumed he meant that he was Jack from Quincy, CA. I think your intrepretation could be right on. The hospital incident was very strange- especially since the nurse he spoke with lived around the corner from victim #32 who just happened to be babysitting at that address. I think some of the statements EAR made could be truthful. If I were LE i would look at everyone enrolled in the troubled adolescent program at Stockton in the late 60's, early 70's. . .or at least talk to the men mentioned in this article.

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Good article PORT.


"The program is designed to accomodate youngsters from a number of counties, including Fresno."

I am sure there were a couple of kids all over the central valley including Tulare.

For control freaks who had to be told when they could leave the facility I am sure it created a lot of resentment. IMO when EAR said he was "Jack from Quincy" he was saying that he was the doctor, he was the one with the power this time. He decided who was going to be attacked, he decided who lived or died. In his mind he had the power this time.
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Surgical mask???
I lost my copy of Sudden Terror. Can someone tell me which attack EAR might have worn a surgical mask???
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I lost my copy of Sudden Terror. Can someone tell me which attack EAR might have worn a surgical mask???
None of them. They pulled a man over and he had a surgical mask in his car. It's because he was a janitor, I think.

I don''t think he hated the medical profession. I think that in upper-middle class neighborhoods, you will find a lot or doctors and high-earning professionals. I also do not think he was impersonating Jack Klugman and that if that was him showing his face to the staff there, then he was drunk or high and not in his right mind. I would believe the call to a mental health facility. If she or anyone near her was a target there's no reason he would show them his face. This woman was rattled enough to call the police about this weird man showing up at work, which was a nursing home, I think. Maybe it was the Delroy guy?
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17 Rolls of Pennies

On June, 24, 1978, EARONS stole $8.50 in rolled pennies. He had, on June 5, 1978 stole $1500 in cash.

I am wondering what EARONS was doing with these pennies? Why carry 17 rolls of pennies out of the victims' house? Any thoughts?

Carpenters, Masons, and Plumbers used pennies as shims.

Is there any info on this?


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A further dimension of the encounter at the hospital, is that the nurse just happened to live on the same street as attack #32.
That info, Port, makes it all the more interesting. Do you know if LE took the sketches of the Maggiore suspects to the nurse to look at?
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SOE,
When I review the different things Crompton chose to include in his book and the timing of things that were going on, it leads one to ponder such things. Don't you think Crompton wrote and published this book in hopes that someone may remember and/or perhaps see something that was missed? Jack from Quincy was singing a very strange song for that particular time in Sacramento. The possibility of Jack from Quincy being EARONS is as good as any other possibility, with what info is out there.
Do you think there's any reasonable chance that said person's name was really Jack and that he was really from Quincy?
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SOE,
When I review the different things Crompton chose to include in his book and the timing of things that were going on, it leads one to ponder such things. Don't you think Crompton wrote and published this book in hopes that someone may remember and/or perhaps see something that was missed? Jack from Quincy was singing a very strange song for that particular time in Sacramento. The possibility of Jack from Quincy being EARONS is as good as any other possibility, with what info is out there.
Do you think there's any reasonable chance that said person's name was really Jack and that he was really from Quincy?

I would think that EARONS would not use his real name or tell where he hailed from. According to the info Port has posted, isn't it odd that #32 was EARONS last attack in SAC......4 days after Jack from Quincy visited the nurse and 2 days before the Maggiore enhanced composites?

If LE has been able to locate Jack from Quincy....they would know if that is his real name and if Quincy is his place or origin.
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SOE,
When I review the different things Crompton chose to include in his book and the timing of things that were going on, it leads one to ponder such things. Don't you think Crompton wrote and published this book in hopes that someone may remember and/or perhaps see something that was missed? Jack from Quincy was singing a very strange song for that particular time in Sacramento. The possibility of Jack from Quincy being EARONS is as good as any other possibility, with what info is out there.
Do you think there's any reasonable chance that said person's name was really Jack and that he was really from Quincy?
I would think that EARONS would not use his real name or tell where he hailed from. According to the info Port has posted, isn't it odd that #32 was EARONS last attack in SAC......4 days after Jack from Quincy visited the nurse and 6 days after the Maggiore enhanced composites?

I guess there's a lot of curious info out there. I appreciate how Crompton's book doesn't necessarily pick and choose based upon what the author deems to be "connected" (though I'm sure not every odd detail in the files is included). When I come across someone who's lived in Quincy or Bakersfield, or whose name is Jack, or who is in some way associated with a Bonnie, I can't help but take notice, and it's a tiny little bonus point.

There are many possible explanations for why he left Sac. Some are quite old, such as the Maggiore composite scaring him out of town. The newest theory is that his departure was related to the sighting of him running along the levy after attack #32. My own favorite theory—the one which I feel is best-supported by the available data—is that the EAR was a student at Sac State. This would account for why he left Sacramento in the summer of 1978; he was finished with school.
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Another theory on the student end and ties in with the medical side is that: EARONS may have been involved in Veterinary Medicine. Say, he started at SAC State and took the advanced courses at Davis while living in CCC. Who knows for sure? EARONS treated people like animals. EARONS treated people far worse than most people treat animals.
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I believe Jane Doe that we are looking for someone like this. Someone who can blend in with respectable people. We are not looking for a criminal. If we were looking for a criminal we would have caught this guy a long time ago. This guy learned how to alter a crime scene. How did he learn that. Bundy learned about crime scenes from reading the true crime magazines. He said that he got a Phd in that from those magazines. Did EAR/ONS learn that from magazines too. Only time will tell.
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If a person learns how to alter a crime scene from true crime magazines that person has to be intelligent.
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Peter,

There is no doubt that EARONS has intelligence. The ability to focus in memory and skill. However, EARONS lacks wisdom. The ability to use knowledge so that it is processed correctly.

Ted Bundy had intelligence. Here is an excerpt of a letter he wrote to his girlfriend after he had killed so many innocent women in Washington State, and before he escaped to kill in Florida. Bundy wrote this letter from jail in Salt Lake City, Utah.

"My conscience is clear and my will to clear myself is strong. I cannot sense guilt which is not mine.....Liz, I know myself as no one else can, and I know I love people and life too much to destroy one living thing. This is the knowledge which gives me the strength to stand firm against all who challenge me. The world outside may have changed, but I have not."

EARONS, like Bundy, has no wisdom....no real intelligence that requires the control of one's emotions. EARONS is an emotional midget and exaggerated the importance of his disturbed ideas. Sure, he learned his skills somewhere and committed them to memory. I'll go with the fact that he is intelligent enough to not be caught...but he isn't intelligent enough to have a clear-headed perspective of life. EARONS is a thief of what he was too lazy to gain on his own. A life.

EARONS is a 2nd class human being with more inabilities than abilities.






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To be running around hiding and lurking and peeping and stealing and then ending up killing while others lead normal, happy, productive lives. People whose lives had meaning were taken by someone you aptly called a mental midget, Jane. A lucky mental midget, in a way, if you think luck is living the kind of life he has lived. A truly worthless life. I wonder how he closes his eyes at night. I'll wager he doesn't sleep well and has no peace in his whole being. He is going to do the perp walk and the whole world will get a good look at the waste of space.
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To be running around hiding and lurking and peeping and stealing and then ending up killing while others lead normal, happy, productive lives. People whose lives had meaning were taken by someone you aptly called a mental midget, Jane. A lucky mental midget, in a way, if you think luck is living the kind of life he has lived. A truly worthless life. I wonder how he closes his eyes at night. I'll wager he doesn't sleep well and has no peace in his whole being. He is going to do the perp walk and the whole world will get a good look at the waste of space.
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I wonder if this guy was capable of having such moments ..?
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I wonder if this guy was capable of having such moments ..?
You are right, probably not, but he should be.
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Not Embarrassed but....
EARONS knew all about humiliation, the unequal power in a relationship. Being such a principled guy, he played the game of rationalization. This pansy took his revenge on strangers because he was too weak to stand-up to those who may have deserved his wrath. EARONS ran around causing pain and anguish because of his own wounded pride. So, if EARONS today feels a high opinion of himself, he also recoginzes that he remains alone in his opinion. He can never share his sick self-redemption.....he will need the media to help him. EARONS isn't embarrassed....he's afraid.
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I was wondering something about Janelle Cruz's unfortunate death

I've heard that ONS was without a gun during the attack (or it's theorized). If so, would that indicate a sudden impulsive decision to murder? I just have it pictured in my mind that he was merely stalking her that night; trying to gather information for a later attack. He then saw Janelle with a male friend and that's what sent him over the edge. It might have made him feel insecure or whatever, and he became infuriated. He might have decided to wait and let her male friend go once he realized he wasn't armed properly. But, his insatiable need to kill her drove him to go through with it. It might not have anything to do with a lack of time. He might have seen her anywhere (including the community pool) and his attraction to her might have been overwhelming. He may have gotten her address through the whole kitten story I've read on here (if that's true). Then, as he began stalking her; that's when he couldn't take it anymore.
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Your theory is certainly possible of course.

I just can't see him doing anything that would be "impulsive". He was such a careful planner.

To me a more interesting issue is his timing of the attack relative to the fact that Janelle's parents were out of town. Was that just a coincidence? Or did he have inside info about the parents plans to be away?
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Your theory is certainly possible of course.

I just can't see him doing anything that would be "impulsive". He was such a careful planner.

To me a more interesting issue is his timing of the attack relative to the fact that Janelle's parents were out of town. Was that just a coincidence? Or did he have inside info about the parents plans to be away?

I too wonder about his timing regarding her parents. That part is definitely hard to ignore. It does make me wonder if they weren't acquainted in some way. But, as far him being impulsive; I actually do think it's possible to some degree. Part of it could be his arrogance. He had proven many times in the past that he could get away with these crimes. He probably felt he was untouchable on some level and felt comfortable enough with his chances. Also, being a sociopath; he's not as easily deterred by the consequences like you and I would be. But, who knows what went or goes through his mind. To me. it would fit well into the overkill aspect. Also, it would explain why he didn't seem to have a gun. Either way, who knows.
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I don't know how one could tell that he didn't have a gun. One thing that we do know is that her house backed up to a park and that it had a fairly low wall. To me the most likely scenario for how he picked her as a victim, was that he discovered her by peeping. We know that he was first and foremost a very prolific peeping tom. I think that was why a lot of his attacks were on Friday and Saturday night. Date night. He wanted to catch couples....coupling. Much more likely to happen on the weekend. I think he would go out in a neighborhood that he had already mapped out, figured out where to park, etc. and then he would go from house to house looking for couples hanging out in the family room. When he saw something interesting he hunkered down in their yard and waited for things to develop. Creepy. He was that patient. He would hang out in the cold in the shadows for as long as it took. He didn't have to know her schedule or where her mom was. He just had to be able to see into her living room. If two people are necking on the couch then odds are no one else is home. He could then peek into all the other windows of the home to confirm no one was there, and hunker down and wait. Simple plan. You just need two things. Pure evil, and patience.
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Guys like EARONS
Always get away it until the day they don't. Unfortunately it's part of living in an unserious society. Ask the folks who lived in David Dinkins New York City.
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could have been impulsive. They reckon he used a pipe wrench that was in the back garden to kill Janelle and he could have used anything in the house as ligatures.This attack seems very sloppy and it appears it started in the Kitchen and finished in the bedroom.He could have surprised her from behind and she ran through the house.
How he knew her parents were out of town bothers me to. He might have been able to control his urges but once he saw Janelle he lost control.She could have been a family friend or a friend of his son/daughter if he had any, for all we know he may have been living in the same street. BTK murdered someone in his own street so its not unheard of and shows his confidence was sky high. I definitely think he was living in Irvine during this attack and had been for a few years. I think if any case is gonna lead back to him then its this one.
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could have been impulsive. They reckon he used a pipe wrench that was in the back garden to kill Janelle and he could have used anything in the house as ligatures.This attack seems very sloppy and it appears it started in the Kitchen and finished in the bedroom.He could have surprised her from behind and she ran through the house.
How he knew her parents were out of town bothers me to. He might have been able to control his urges but once he saw Janelle he lost control.She could have been a family friend or a friend of his son/daughter if he had any, for all we know he may have been living in the same street. BTK murdered someone in his own street so its not unheard of and shows his confidence was sky high. I definitely think he was living in Irvine during this attack and had been for a few years. I think if any case is gonna lead back to him then its this one.
Maybe. When it comes to the Southern CA. victims I agree with Arch when he said, "by then he was a ghost." We won't know until he is caught.
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could have been impulsive. They reckon he used a pipe wrench that was in the back garden to kill Janelle and he could have used anything in the house as ligatures.This attack seems very sloppy and it appears it started in the Kitchen and finished in the bedroom.He could have surprised her from behind and she ran through the house.
How he knew her parents were out of town bothers me to. He might have been able to control his urges but once he saw Janelle he lost control.She could have been a family friend or a friend of his son/daughter if he had any, for all we know he may have been living in the same street. BTK murdered someone in his own street so its not unheard of and shows his confidence was sky high. I definitely think he was living in Irvine during this attack and had been for a few years. I think if any case is gonna lead back to him then its this one.
Maybe. When it comes to the Southern CA. victims I agree with Arch when he said, "by then he was a ghost." We won't know until he is caught.
I thought I heard that she was attacked in her bed. I wonder if the blood found in the hall and kitchen etc. was from him walking through the house after he killed poor Janelle. Could it be he went into the kitchen to wash his hands, face, arms? Would he have stuck around in the house and did his opening and slamming of cabinet drawers even after he killed her or did he stay around to eat? I can't recall where I heard she was attacked in her room, but I did hear that.
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I don't know how one could tell that he didn't have a gun. One thing that we do know is that her house backed up to a park and that it had a fairly low wall. To me the most likely scenario for how he picked her as a victim, was that he discovered her by peeping. We know that he was first and foremost a very prolific peeping tom. I think that was why a lot of his attacks were on Friday and Saturday night. Date night. He wanted to catch couples....coupling. Much more likely to happen on the weekend. I think he would go out in a neighborhood that he had already mapped out, figured out where to park, etc. and then he would go from house to house looking for couples hanging out in the family room. When he saw something interesting he hunkered down in their yard and waited for things to develop. Creepy. He was that patient. He would hang out in the cold in the shadows for as long as it took. He didn't have to know her schedule or where her mom was. He just had to be able to see into her living room. If two people are necking on the couch then odds are no one else is home. He could then peek into all the other windows of the home to confirm no one was there, and hunker down and wait. Simple plan. You just need two things. Pure evil, and patience.

What's up with the idea he didnt have a gun? He probably had a gun in the other murders but just for enforcement, because he didnt want it to be traced back to him or he just didnt want to kill them that way. It;s really unlikely that he entered a home and subdued people with , for eg, just a log.

Repo, I agree. Those hedges, the position of the home, and that park behind the hedges suit him to a T. That is such a strong set-up for how he liked to do his crimes, Im sure he couldnt resist.
This stuff about him knowing that her parents were on vacation is a non-issue. The LE didnt ask the parents ,Who knew you were out of town?, and check those leads? Anything is possible, but I tend to think this kind of conjecture is made when people want to put ears into some kind of superhuman villain. He knew Manuellas husband was in the hospital? He was hitting couples in those days. He knew Carey Franks dad was away on business? What about all those girls homes that he broke into and asked when their parents would be home? Or the woman who's husband was away on trip? He did what Repo said. He watched. You can see the differences in his behavior when he is with solo women or girls as when he's with a couple. With a couple, he doesnt have to worry about anyone coming home and catching him in the act. When the victim is solo, he goes to lengths to interrogate the people as to what the situation is.

The idea that he wasnt impulsive has been debunked. If you just look at two cases, theres the one where he grabbed the woman with the laundry at her parents home. He caught her in the garage, but she was there only 3 hours. So even if he watched her the full 3 hours, that is still an impulsive thing for him to do. She was not part of the plan, but he went for it anyway.
The other case you could look at, is again, the younger girl he pulled out of her car in her garage, then marched her down 2 houses and left her there. Psychopaths are usually impulsive like this. This is the kickstarter to actually doing a crime, throwing yourself into the game. He was successful for a psychopath because his personality directed how he carried his crimes out. IE, he was OCD and just paranoid enough to plan enough and avoid detection.
Honestly, those are the 2 things that made him a success. Even so, he wouldnt have been able to keep himself from doing impulsive things in 40+ rapes. It's sexually based, and Im sure he couldnt control his sexuallity all the time.
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I don't know how one could tell that he didn't have a gun. One thing that we do know is that her house backed up to a park and that it had a fairly low wall. To me the most likely scenario for how he picked her as a victim, was that he discovered her by peeping. We know that he was first and foremost a very prolific peeping tom. I think that was why a lot of his attacks were on Friday and Saturday night. Date night. He wanted to catch couples....coupling. Much more likely to happen on the weekend. I think he would go out in a neighborhood that he had already mapped out, figured out where to park, etc. and then he would go from house to house looking for couples hanging out in the family room. When he saw something interesting he hunkered down in their yard and waited for things to develop. Creepy. He was that patient. He would hang out in the cold in the shadows for as long as it took. He didn't have to know her schedule or where her mom was. He just had to be able to see into her living room. If two people are necking on the couch then odds are no one else is home. He could then peek into all the other windows of the home to confirm no one was there, and hunker down and wait. Simple plan. You just need two things. Pure evil, and patience.

Repo, agreed 100%. Balaclava, good points about the impulsive, opportunistic attacks and about how he asked certain victims when their parents would be home, but interestingly he didn't ask Carey Frank when her father would be home according to Sudden Terror.
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as we know this was his first attack in 5 years. W hat was it about Janelle that made him break this Hiatus. She was very beautiful and its most likely he saw her while he was going about his life and thought that he must have her. Surely if he was murdering the whole five years then his murders would be discovered and linked. This one is just different from the others.
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as we know this was his first attack in 5 years. W hat was it about Janelle that made him break this Hiatus. She was very beautiful and its most likely he saw her while he was going about his life and thought that he must have her. Surely if he was murdering the whole five years then his murders would be discovered and linked. This one is just different from the others.
What we know about these wack jobs is that they usually start attacking again because of a stressor in their lives. Lost job, divorce, etc. It usually has nothing to do with the victim at all. People keep asking what was it about Janelle, etc. I think something in his life changed. The fact that her home was set up like a an aquarium for peeping toms would tend to support this. Her family room slider was just 20 feet or so from the low wall to the park.
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Your theory is certainly possible of course.

I just can't see him doing anything that would be "impulsive". He was such a careful planner.

To me a more interesting issue is his timing of the attack relative to the fact that Janelle's parents were out of town. Was that just a coincidence? Or did he have inside info about the parents plans to be away?

I too wonder about his timing regarding her parents. That part is definitely hard to ignore. It does make me wonder if they weren't acquainted in some way. But, as far him being impulsive; I actually do think it's possible to some degree. Part of it could be his arrogance. He had proven many times in the past that he could get away with these crimes. He probably felt he was untouchable on some level and felt comfortable enough with his chances. Also, being a sociopath; he's not as easily deterred by the consequences like you and I would be. But, who knows what went or goes through his mind. To me. it would fit well into the overkill aspect. Also, it would explain why he didn't seem to have a gun. Either way, who knows.

That you think he might have been "impulsive" in this particular case is certainly thinking outside the box ... I like that.

On the other hand, it's very hard for people to change their basic personality. Indeed, most people do not have the ability to change, owing to the way their brains are hard-wired. So if the guy really was impulsive on this occasion, it would be quite significant, given that in previous cases his personality seemed hard-wired toward obsession and compulsion.
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Oh sweet jesus, the box. No, it really isnt that hard to become impulsive when something gives you an erection. Im sure he didnt plan all of his erections. Or his anger (same difference) when there was a perfectly good specimen right over there to take it out on.
It has nothing to do with personality or a mental disorder. A psychopath is more likely to seize the moment and take action than regular folk, who might factor in things like, I might fail at it, or I might get caught or Maybe I shouldnt hurt that person.
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as we know this was his first attack in 5 years. W hat was it about Janelle that made him break this Hiatus. She was very beautiful and its most likely he saw her while he was going about his life and thought that he must have her. Surely if he was murdering the whole five years then his murders would be discovered and linked. This one is just different from the others.
What we know about these wack jobs is that they usually start attacking again because of a stressor in their lives. Lost job, divorce, etc. It usually has nothing to do with the victim at all. People keep asking what was it about Janelle, etc. I think something in his life changed. The fact that her home was set up like a an aquarium for peeping toms would tend to support this. Her family room slider was just 20 feet or so from the low wall to the park.
Like so many other cases, this one teaches us two very important lessons:
1) Close your blinds tight after it gets dark, & 2) Don't masturbate to images of a person who looks hurt or dead.

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Here's a link to an article that some might find interesting
www.lamag.com/offtherecord/2013/02/27/profile-of-a-killer
It has some evidence that some of the people may or may not have seen.
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I have a feeling that the perp was visiting a sporting event in the general area as some type of trainer or fan when he encountered Janelle. I may be totally wrong but that is the feeling that I have. Cases are built on much more than just feelings.
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I have a feeling that the perp was visiting a sporting event in the general area as some type of trainer or fan when he encountered Janelle. I may be totally wrong but that is the feeling that I have. Cases are built on much more than just feelings.
I actually think that towards the end of the murders he stayed in the Irvine area. Maybe the reason he never hit the Los Angeles area is because he didn't want to * on his own doorstep so to speak. Who Knows!
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Opinion and questions about Janelle Cruz's murder

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I'm new to this forum and I just wanted to post a topic about EAR/ONS. I've read a few of the posts regarding Janelle Cruz and I just wanted to give everyone my opinion as well as ask a question, if y'all don't mind. First, I have to say that the worst part of a crime like this, is the fact that we (as a society) mostly remember the victims for those last few moments of their life, rather than the kind of person they were. This act makes us forget that she was a real person, who had feelings, goals, and made a difference in other people's lives. It's just something I always think about when I read about things like this. Anyways, I wanted to point out a couple of things I haven't seen (which doesn't mean that someone hasn't already pointed out on here). First, I've heard people mention that she was alone when she was murdered while she was alone (which is true). I read some people saying that he may have done this to throw detectives off. But, she did have a male companion over that night and he even heard what he thought was a garage door opening (or shutting). She apparently brushed it off as the washer. It seems that EAR/ONS wasn't trying to kill her solely, but possibly both of them, like he had done in the past. But, decided to wait once he realized the guy was leaving. Also, I was wondering what everyone else thinks about Janelle's family going on vacation. Did he already realize that she was by herself and targeted her because of that? Or, was he just prowling around and saw Janelle and her friend and decided that they looked like an easy target?
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To answer your last question....
There was a reported party at Janelle`s house were revelers saw a man jump over the fence and approach the house before they shouted at him and he scurried off, if that was EAR its most likely that he must have been watching Janelle for a few days at the very least.....

The issue of why EAR chose Janelle is one of the enduring mysteries of this case ........and has been subject to lots of speculation, one thing that I have read that intrigued me regarding Janelle is that Colleen Cason wrote that she looked like she and Charlene Smith could have been sisters, I have wondered about that detail a few times.......
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Those are some very interesting points. I wonder if ever really stopped killing before Janelle's murder. Or, if he was just operating somewhere else with a different M.O.
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Janelle's Friend

If I understand correctly, her friend who she was with earlier that night was arrested for her murder [and later cleared]. www.jjmcgr.org/BK/Clippings/860624.pdf

[IMO] Ear-ons seems to have a specific type of victim and didn't seem to select people at random because they were an "easy" target.

dancartell, How long was it before Janelle's murder was it that the prowler was seen? Was this after her family left on vacation?
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If I understand correctly, her friend who she was with earlier that night was arrested for her murder [and later cleared]. www.jjmcgr.org/BK/Clippings/860624.pdf

[IMO] Ear-ons seems to have a specific type of victim and didn't seem to select people at random because they were an "easy" target.

dancartell, How long was it before Janelle's murder was it that the prowler was seen? Was this after her family left on vacation?
Amber- The young man arrested was not the same man with Janelle the night of her murder. The young man arrested and later released was a former acquaintance.
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If I understand correctly, her friend who she was with earlier that night was arrested for her murder [and later cleared]. www.jjmcgr.org/BK/Clippings/860624.pdf

[IMO] Ear-ons seems to have a specific type of victim and didn't seem to select people at random because they were an "easy" target.

dancartell, How long was it before Janelle's murder was it that the prowler was seen? Was this after her family left on vacation?
From what I understand the prowler was seen by a couple of party guests the day before Janelle was murdered. ....
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ChemicalPier wrote:

"...was wondering what everyone else thinks about Janelle's family going on vacation. Did he already realize that she was by herself and targeted her because of that? Or, was he just prowling around ..."

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I'm inclined to think he had inside info that led him to expect that she would be alone in the house. Which would be consistent with his days as the EAR in Sac. I don't think this guy ever did anything on impulse; his attacks seem to have been almost always planned in advance.

There is some indication that Janelle knew, or was acquainted with, the previous Irvine ONS victim.
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ChemicalPier wrote:

"...was wondering what everyone else thinks about Janelle's family going on vacation. Did he already realize that she was by herself and targeted her because of that? Or, was he just prowling around ..."

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I'm inclined to think he had inside info that led him to expect that she would be alone in the house. Which would be consistent with his days as the EAR in Sac. I don't think this guy ever did anything on impulse; his attacks seem to have been almost always planned in advance.

There is some indication that Janelle knew, or was acquainted with, the previous Irvine ONS victim.

Funny you should mention that you think he might have had some inside knowledge about her family going on vacation. I don't know if you saw this YouTube video. It's an interview with Janelle's mom. She mentions a guy who raped her. She suspected that he might be the murderer. It's worth a watch:

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"...was wondering what everyone else thinks about Janelle's family going on vacation. Did he already realize that she was by herself and targeted her because of that? Or, was he just prowling around ..."

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I'm inclined to think he had inside info that led him to expect that she would be alone in the house. Which would be consistent with his days as the EAR in Sac. I don't think this guy ever did anything on impulse; his attacks seem to have been almost always planned in advance.

There is some indication that Janelle knew, or was acquainted with, the previous Irvine ONS victim.

Funny you should mention that you think he might have had some inside knowledge about her family going on vacation. I don't know if you saw this YouTube video. It's an interview with Janelle's mom. She mentions a guy who raped her. She suspected that he might be the murderer. It's worth a watch:

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I watched that same video. At first it seems like a no brainer to go after that guy...but then again EARONS was known to frame people, or try to. So who knows.
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Physical Description

According to various witness descriptions, the EAR/ONS would be a White Male approximately in his late 40's to mid-50's. (Best estimate: 18-25 years old in 1976). Suspect's estimated age range varied by as much as 10 years depending on the witness so he could be as old as 60. He would have blue or hazel eyes. He would be between 5'8 to 5'11 in height. Suspect was physically fit with a broad, muscular chest in the late 1970's and early 1980's.

Suspect wears a Size 9 shoe and has Type "A" Blood. Suspect additionally is a non-secretor.

Voice is higher-pitched than average male. When disguising voice suspect will attempt to make voice sound husky or gruff (see below).

Geographical Location

Lived in the Sacramento Area between 1976 and 1979.

Frequented or lived in Rancho Cordova, possibly near Paseo Drive, around 1976.

Frequented Costa Contra County in 1979

Frequented or lived in Goleta, CA in 1979 to 1980. Possibly had relatives or friends living there at the time.

Frequented or lived near Ventura County and/ or Irvine, CA in Orange County from 1980 to 1986.

Target Neighborhoods

Suspect primarily targeted middle-class to upper-middle class neighborhoods with homes on or near cul de sacs or homes adjacent to vacants fields, schools, parks, creeks or homes under construction. Several of the neighborhoods targeted by the suspect had "homes for sale" or homes recently sold. Suspect is known to have posed as a realtor, building inspector or prospective home-buyer.

Diamond Knot/Bondage

Suspect showed proficiency in tying ornate knots including the "diamond knot" (see photo).
Suspect most likely engaged in bondage-oriented fantasies with his female sexual partners and collected violent pornographic material which included bondage.

Weapons

Suspect had access to a large collection of weapons and handguns and knives. Specifically, .38, .357 Magnum and .45 Caliber handguns and different knives. Suspect also had access to many different flashlights.

Possible Suspect Vehicles

As of 1977, the suspect possibly drove an older VW Bug of a nondescript color, slighted under varying lighting conditions and reported variously as dark green, gray or silver blue. It may have expanded rear fenders and wide wheels. Suspect also possibly drove a green Chevy Vega.
In Southern California, suspect possibly drove or had access to a white 1970's model Pontiac.

Military/College Background

Suspect possibly had some law enforcement or military police training. Suspect was possibly stationed at Mather or McClellan AFB in the mid to late -1970's.

Suspect was possibly a student at American River College or California State University at Sacramento in the late 1970's, possibly attending school on the GI Bill.

Construction Background

Suspect possibly had some background in home construction/roofing.

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" Dishes Trick "

I wonder where this guy learned to do that? I wonder if it was from personal experience? Like maybe when he was a child his Mother used it on him to keep him quiet while she "entertained" male guests? Might explain his hatred for women. I guess his Father could of taught him as well. Dishes would only work for so long though, then what?, He'd have to be sent outside, maybe to "peep" back in through a window to witness what was going on or maybe to wander around town at all hours of the night. Kinda like V/R. A kid like that sure would learn how to blend in to darkness or a crowd unnoticed. Maybe he just seen it on an old movie or read about it somewhere.
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Visalia Ransacker--Origin of the "Dish Trick"

The Visalia Ransacker would stack dishes by the front door, so he could hear if the home owners returned.

Also I just read a post that said the Ear would place dishes on the man's chest. I'm not sure if the poster meant back, but this is something that I had not heard. I also wonder if the male hostage was always blind-folded as well? Whatever the case and excluding the Snelling/Maggiore homicides--the Ear/ONS always had some type of bondage occuring. Looking for any excuse to subdue people via rope or bindings, never handcuffs, if I'm correct.
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He wanted to get away with it.
Whatever "It" was he wanted to get away with it. The EAR fantasy didn't include getting caught, arrested and convicted of anything. Had he carried rope or handcuffs during his spree in Sacramento there was always the chance of being stopped and asked some pointed questions. That's why he used shoelaces, sometimes from his victims shoes. I'm going to guess he went to and from his victims house as "clean" as possible just on the off chance of being stopped and questioned. And I'll bet he was. Hid his "tools" in or near the vics house. EAR was well known for prowling houses prior to attacks. This guy had military and LE training. He knew where the cops were likely to look and what questions they were likely to ask if they stopped him coming or going. He hit 15 times in the Sac Sheriffs patrol area and they weren't any closer when he quit than they were when he started. It was a little more than "luck" folks. Luck would have been 5 or 6. 15 over the time period involved is more like practice and planning.
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Night Time Raids

Your absolutely right, f1guyus, he traveled as clean as possible to and from his target homes and I like that you reiterrated his probable military/LE training back ground, which I can see erilly parallels what US/NATO forces are doing right now. Not to go off on a tangent with another subject, but I think you'll find this interesting to say the least:

Source: Reuters

NATO has admitted that its forces were responsible for the deaths of five Afghan civilians including three women during a botched night-time raid in eastern Afghanistan in February. Two of the women were pregnant, one a mother of 10, the other had six children.

The alliance initially said troops had found the women already killed, bound and gagged, when they entered the compound in Gardez in Paktia province, but later acknowledged that was untrue. NATO is now looking at allegations by Afghan investigators that U.S. Special Forces involved in the raid tampered with evidence at the scene to cover the blunder.

According to the UN, at least 98 civilians were killed in these incidents in 2009. In terms of creating enemies, you couldn’t do it better than attacking people in their homes at night, Gaston says.

“It’s hard to do worse than breaking into some one’s house at night, taking actions that are viewed as violating the women of the household, and hauling family members to unknown detention sites for weeks to months."

While attacking homes at night, rather than daytime, may add an element of surprise and reduce the risk to pro-government forces, it dramatically increases the chances of indiscriminate use of force against innocent women, children, and men in the house.
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Variances in EAR attacks

There were some variances in EAR's attacks. Although, in all of the EAR attacks there were commonalities that had EAR's signature, there were some variances that have me wondering. Did EAR recreate a scene similar to the scene he witnessed while peeping on victims prior to his attacks. Certainly this would have made the attack more personal. During one early attack EAR removed his mask and gloves to do a specific act. In another he put something on a victim before the attack. g
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Removal of Gloves.
Not to be too graphic, but I recall reading that the Ear usually did remove his gloves during the assaults, which made me wonder how much pre caution he had to take, as to not leave something like a hand/palm print on the kitchen floor.
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Did any LE ever look at garbage pickup schedules? Or search the nearby residences cans? I'm thinking he had to dump his "stuff" somewhere and a nearby garbage can or a dumpster in an apartment/condo complex would be perfect. Deniability you know.
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Hi f1,

What kind of stuff are thinking he got rid of? g
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Why The Kitchen Floor?
DB,

Was there a reason that you mentioned the kitchen floor as opposed to the other areas EAR was in? There were prints taken in Sacramento. g
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Kitchen Floor


I don't know if the technology existed at the time to collect prints from a bed spread or cloth—as you would want to search for a place in the home that would be able to absorb a human finger and or palm print. Whereas with the kitchen floor, as described from a media report as a particular place of attack, you might be fortunate enough to find a palm print.

But what good are those prints, if there's nothing to match it with? I think this was the problem the police had, no good suspects.
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Tools of his trade
Mask, gun, spare shoelaces, gloves etc. Anything he used in the commission of the crime that would alert LE were he stopped and questioned. I'm thinking he put everything that would identify him as the EAR in a bag and went out the door in his early morning exercise fanatic disguise. Dumped the stuff somewhere and jogged to his getaway car.
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Another reason why he had so many masks. He had to keep throwing them away, as it would be hard to explain why you would have one in your possession in case the police stopped you at 5 am in the morning. there was a recent story I read of a burglar who was stopped by police after they spotted him running from a house. In the midst of the chase, the perp was seen tossing a pair of leather gloves, which in a court of law is considered "Burglar equipment".
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"I'm thinking he put everything that would identify him as the EAR in a bag and went out the door in his early morning exercise fanatic disguise. Dumped the stuff somewhere and jogged to his getaway car"

Good theory f1guyus. This would probably explain why he did spend so much time in the house. Going jogging between 1am-4am would seem somewhat suspicious. However, going jogging between 4am -6am would be considered normal. You stated that 15 attacks took place in neighborhoods that were heavily patroled by Sac Sheriffs dept - right under their nose so to speak. One could reasonably imagine EAR jogging past them and exchanging waives during the early morning hours and no one would have thought twice.
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Yes f1guyus + LS1!

Brilliant! As for the 4-6am jogger diguise, it could be the reason why the Ear switched from military boots to sneakers as his attacks progressed. He also could have had running shorts underneath his "Ear" pants and would have also had to throw out his military jacket, belt etc.
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After the first 5 or so
After the first five or so attacks I'll bet there weren't too many early morning joggers getting friendly waves from the Sheriffs. Which is why he'd get rid of the stuff. And if he was getting driven right by shame on the cops for not doing their jobs. Unless the patrol officers had ID'ed him and dismissed him as a suspect for some reason like someone giving him an alibi for the time of a previous attack. Which brings up another question. After DNA came on the scene did LE go back and swab the suspects that had previously been dismissed? That's what I would have done, especially if I was really suspicious of someone who, oh say, got an alibi from a family member. Like a career military mom or dad. Or someone connected to law enforcement.
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Suspects after DNA find

I believe his DNA profile was brought to light in 1996 (with the Ear DNA in 2001). Which would be 25 years after his first attack in June 1976. So all those folks, if not most of them were all long gone.
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Re: " Dishes Trick "

F1, the river would of made a great disposal site. There were some "kits" found that were in places that had not been hit. They might be, say a couple of houses down. EAR also stole licenses and jewelry from one residence and left it as a calling card in another.

DB, if EAR is VR as I believe he is the tennis shoes were his original footwear of choice. Many of the ransacking victims homes had tennis shoe prints that were lifted and kept.


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Ear "Kits"?

Thanks G. I stand corrected.

Oh, and on the subject of the VR, did you find out what specific cans of food he took from the homes?

And back to the Ear--What was in those "kits"?
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And the bottom line again is somebody has to come forward and say it's this guy because:
And "this guy" has done something that gives the cops reason to hold him and swab him:And "this guy" gets a quick swab and we all get to see that headline we've been waiting for.
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The Central Valley has some of the most beautiful weather in the world. But it's generally cool in the early morning. Someone walking or jogging wearing or carrying a jacket wouldn't arouse more than normal suspicion. I always take one with me to the gym just to avoid really busting a sweat and going outside. Even in July or August.
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May '1986'

During the month of May,1986 . Richard Ramirez was making court appearances and in all the papers, people could'nt get enough of this punk. Does anybody feel the lack of press coverage might've drawn this other shortchanged punk out from whatever little monkeyspanking trinket filled hole he was hiding in?
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When I read this guy hid in the shrubbery to ambush the Police that were tailing him,I automatically thought where have I heard that kind of behavior before? Somebody must have the same playbook.
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Who knows that?

Who would know that? and why?
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This guy wasn't anything close to EAR. He got caught. And hiding in the bushes to ambush cops would be exactly what somebody with this mentality would do. One of my old neighbors did something similar a few years back. Jumped out of his car with a gun to shoot it out with the "Pigs". They only shot him 19 times but it was enough. Moral of the story, Put enough lead in the air you are sure to hit something. In the 70's most cops didn't do that.

A. Most of them carried revolvers. Six shots and you better have the speedloader ready.

B. They were trained not to put a lot of lead in the air.
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Hi F1: 70s Cops and Double Action Sixguns
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This guy wasn't anything close to EAR. He got caught. And hiding in the bushes to ambush cops would be exactly what somebody with this mentality would do. One of my old neighbors did something similar a few years back. Jumped out of his car with a gun to shoot it out with the "Pigs". They only shot him 19 times but it was enough. Moral of the story, Put enough lead in the air you are sure to hit something. In the 70's most cops didn't do that.

A. Most of them carried revolvers. Six shots and you better have the speedloader ready.

B. They were trained not to put a lot of lead in the air.

Hi F1--

This is slightly offtopic, but relevant: what you just described in your "A" and "B" points is exactly the reason why I despise this era of "Glocks." There is no longer an emphasis placed on marksmanship, and as a result, we occasionally read about these situations in which LE are forced to shoot suspects--usually in excess of ten times. It's absurd.

AE7

P.S.--And I'll take that 4" Colt Python over an 18-round Glock.
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Moral of the story is learn to hit what you shoot at. I always did. And it ain't that hard.
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Moral of the story is learn to hit what you shoot at. I always did. And it ain't that hard.

Hi F1--
Very true, but for some, hitting the target is a real chore.

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I will take a face to face..

Not being a gun slinger, I just would like a nice little face to face. That would work just fine for me. AE7 and F1 you guys can back me up with your big guns..g
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Not being a gun slinger, I just would like a nice little face to face. That would work just fine for me. AE7 and F1 you guys can back me up with your big guns..g

Hi G--
I hear you on that. A face-to-face would probably be welcomed by a good many people. All this case really needs is that one break. I do believe he's living a very terrified life right now.

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P.S.--Back you up with the big guns? You bet!
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@lawstudent. I was going on the premise that ear lived in Irvine during that time period. I personally doubt that he would come back after 5 years of probable inactivity to a neighborhood or area he was not confident in. I think personally that mr ear was trying to stop after 81. He was staying on the straight line until he ran into Janelle Cruz. I think it is a high probability that this happened at the pool. He then went back to his old ways and stalked her....But it was a little different cuz he waited for the guy to leave. Again, IMO because he probably wasn't as confident in himself. If ear is who I am looking into right now, he was overweight in 86. He is way overweight right now. By the way this POI was part of the 320th, and he did get a Bad Conduct Discharge. He lived within walking distance of the Cruz house.
Bear - I couldn't agree with you more. You have come to the same conclusion that I did with all the information and evidence that is available. I too believe that something changed in his life after 1981 - my opinion is that it was a woman. Although this seems somewhat ironic b/c according to the FDLE profile, the offender showed a hatred for women, so it does seem odd that a woman would be able to change EAR/ONS. I have a hard time believing that there was a woman that EAR/ONS would have respected enough to change for (without her knowing of course). Neverhteless, women seem to have a profound effect upon men in getting them to change their ways. But as you stated, he slipped up. He came into contact w/ Janelle (probably at the neighborhood pool) and maybe he offered to bring by some kittens. Who knows (but I thought the kitten man lead was probably one of the better if not the best lead in the Cruz case).
Keep us posted on your POI - I am curious to know how that turns out. -LS1
Hi LS--
I too am more inclined to think that that root of that change in his life was a woman, and not the military. Frankly, after seriously considering all of the facts and applying those facts to a profile of this offender, I think it more unlikely than not that he wasn't in the military. Would it really be surprising if that turned out to be true, that it was, in fact, a woman coming into his life? He's a psychopath--no denying that--but like a good many psychopaths, he blends into all types of surroundings very well.

Speaking of the kitten man: there was an excellent discussion on "the kitten man" on the old board way back in 2005. The poster claimed to be a person who briefly dated Ms. Cruz shortly before her murder. It's too bad those old posts aren't archived here.

AE7
Hey AE7,
It is a shame about the kitten man post not being available any more. If I remember correctly, the infamous kitten man was supposedly military and was being stationed out in Twentynine Palms. I recommend everyone on this site watch the A&E documentary "The BTK Killer Speaks" on You-Tube. Even though there are some differences between the type of person/killer BTK was compared to ONS, there are a lot of similarities. I bet with regard to the five year gap, he was in Irvine all along and committed the Withuhn murder close to home. Then he drove up to Goleta maybe to throw LE off if they did link them so they wouldn't think he was from Irvine. But in 1986, he slipped up and gave in to his impulses with Cruz. As far as military goes, the strongest piece of evidence for me that alludes to such a connection would be the statement he made to one of the EAR victims that he had seen her at the Mather Officer's Club and knew her husband was a Captain. Of course, there are other ways to find this information about her out, but I tend to believe that he did see her there.
considering that EAR liked to send messages to police and toy with them.........I think mentioning seeing her at Mather officers club was intended to throw off the cops and make them look in that club; I doubt this guy would mention something that could potentially lead to him directly maybe as you said he found out about the husband by other means ; If he was connected to Mather Officers club why would he lead officers there if he did not want to be caught?
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mentally disturbed people usually have a secret wish to be caught. But I do agree that he probably said a few things to make investigators go every which way but his.
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Interesting you mention 1986.......

and Richard Ramirez;

EAR liked to follow his crimes through the media therefore I assume he followed other criminals pursuits through the media -hence the mention of Ramirez had me thinking maybe the Ramirez case had some significance to him (EAR) after all they shared some similarities (like home invasion rapes , murders and use of firearms etc) and some quirks (like eating food from the victims refrigerators)

Yeah I would definitely agree maybe the press coverage of Ranmirez reminded our guy of his days when he was pulling off similar crimes and this may have got him started in planning to commit one more rape and murder for old times sake and he probably did not fancy being caught (like Ramirez) hence he retired after this last crime. ..........................I wonder why you call him shortchanged?
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After "86"

I wonder what happend to this guy after "86"? I mean after absolute indulgence of this type, where does he go from there? Do you think he might be like Dennis Rader, trying to be a familly man? Or do you think he's locked up, dead, or disabled ? I just get a feeling he's not the familly type, nor do I think if alive he's taking a break on his own. Anybody else feel the same or have any ideas?
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Sherlox,

The EAR/ONS is either dead, in prison or alive. I agree with you, after all this time (and a lot of effort being expended) we have to consider that he may be dead (and that is the reason why we can't find him). As I pointed out in another post and was followed up by SOE, most of the suspects/POI's that we've encountered have been both alive and not in prison. So, just in terms of percentages, the EAR/ONS is most likely in that category.

Why did he stop in 1986? There are other reasons why he stopped other than being dead or incarcerated (which are both reasonable suppositions). Another reason (and this has been discussed before) is that he could have been injured and the injury was such that he could not continue his "out-running" of police and witnesses. The DNA evidence was coming into it's own about the same time that he stopped. Perhaps he saw the writing on the wall. He now knows that if his DNA shows up ANYWHERE ELSE, this case will go from cold to WHITE HOT.

More to the point about whether he is dead. If your opinion (and the opinion of others) is correct, then the question (and it is a valid one), how do we go about trying to identify this suspect? Do we start looking for deceased males in Orange County shortly after 1986? Or do we look elsewhere after 1990-91?

If we do not find the EAR/ONS amongst the living, we will one day have to look for him among the dead. Back when SC poised this question, it was way too early in the investigation. Plus his insinuation was that we should just stop looking for him period. I know that is not want you meant.

You are posing a legitimate question that, unfortunately, has to be seriously considered at this point. I know that Pool has exhumed a suspect or two. Right now, my sense is that if someone points out a valid dead suspect, we'll look at him. Once we get through combing through the living, we'll start combing through the dead.

But it would be useful, if we had a strategy in place for looking at dead POI's. I just do not know how I would begin such a search.
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DanCartell: what did you want to say as your response to Arch had this "I". Then you quoted Arch again, but put noting.
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DanCartell,

Your first response to Arch is I and your second response to Arch is blank. What did you want to say.
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I just made a post that disappeared. Arch made a post in this thread too that disappeared. Very odd
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In most instances, the post hasn't really disappeared, but rather, the forum sometimes has a display issue whereby it thinks there's a third page of a thread, when there's really not, so it's displaying the original post only, and not its replies. Or something like that. It's a glitch that has persisted.
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If he is dead, it does make this a bit more of a challenge obviously. I think that is why gaining publicity could be a big key. What if this case became half as well-known as Jeffrey Dahmer in the next year or two? It seems like a lofty goal but still… What would be the odds of someone who saw something or knows something coming forward then? If he is alive, the odds are even better. Let me put it another way- if David Fincher decided to make an EAR/ONS movie a la “Zodiac” would something come about then? If James Franco decided to make a movie about the Original Night Stalker and not the Night Stalker (he is playing Richard Ramirez) do the percentages of something happening increase? I would think they would…

I am just trying to put everyone in a different world where this case has almost household familiarity.

Remember we have DNA (as well as blood type and non-secretor status) to check back to any suspect, dead or alive.

Gaining more publicity for the case is something that can be done concurrently with everything else, like having our own POI’s, keeping up websites, keeping up with the board, waiting for CODIS to catch up, etc, etc. Maybe we could start with someone drafting up a letter to the AG or Gov of CA asking for a press conference in Sacramento informing CA citizens of the case and getting 1,000 signatures to back it up? Or something along those lines… We already know the AG is familiar with the case (and prob the Gov too)…

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Edited by Sherlox, 2 years ago
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By Sherlox
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2 years ago
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Sherlox,

I agree with you about the publicity. There are some loose ends that I want to tie up before embarking on another round of generating publicity.

1) I would like the TK theory put to rest. It has been a major distraction and it distorts the case facts and has the likelihood of confusing potential witnesses just as the EAR A/B Theory had done in the past. For anyone who does not think a distorted case theory has any negative affect on the case, just look at Santa Barbara. 32 years of case leads lost to time. (And 7 years of, at times, heated debate here on the board that distracted from the case, distorted the case facts and confused the hell out of people).

3) I have to update the EAR/ONS website because of the outdated information there.

4) There are still some outstanding questions that I would like answered, mainly dealing with a few composite sketches that we have been unable to determine the background on where/when/how they were created. I would also like to know if there is any truth to the information about a fingerprint connection between the VR and EAR/ONS.

It's the GIGO principle. Part of the reason the case remains unsolved is because of the garbage information that has been put out to the public. They've got garbage leads back. That needs to be corrected before a national publicity campaign is undertaken.

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Edited by Archangel76, 2 years ago
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By Archangel76
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Ok
Sounds good...
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By Sherlox
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