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Davis 6/24/78 attack and the Golden Bear Sportswear jacket

Crompton discusses on pages 343-344 of "Sudden Terror" that a neighbor of this victim encounterd a man about a week before the attack between her house and the victim's. She confronted him and he said he worked for a developer interested in solar homes, whcih she felt was a bluff. Later she found a blue Golden Bear Sportswear jacket on the walkway by her gate the morning of the attack.

Golden Bear still makes jacket and this particular model they traced to two stores- one in Berkeley and one n Sacramento. These are not inexpensive jackets. Wouldn't a spouse notice if a husband came home without a jacket and that it never reappeared?

Did he leave the jacket accidentally or deliberately? The Maggiore killer wore an aviator jacket. EARS was known to disrobe in yards prior to the attacks.

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By PortofLeith
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Is it EAR's jacket?

Regarding the GoldenBearJacket found between houses on the morning following the early a.m. 6/24 attack:
Portoleigh asks, "Did he leave the jacket intensionally?" "...these are not inexpensive jackets..."

I'm giving 'left it unintensionally' a 90% chance.
1. he donned a ski mask and then attacked. ski masks really hold in the heat...put one on and do some light household chores--you'll quickly become uncomfortable. Attacking a household of people, trapping the 10yo, tying 2 adults and performing several sexual acts...all that has got to raise your body temperature. Maybe enough to forget your jacket.
2. as Portoleigh notes, the jacket is not a cheap 'throw away'. The quality of the jacket, along with the variety of shoes, make me think this is a middle class perp. The jacket fits in with the apparel EAR comfortably wore.
In addition, EAR previously wore 'a dark blue windbreaker' during attacks (page 45, 229) ...on an attack 4-14-78 (pg 326) EAR wore a blue jacket. Was this the very jacket? Whatever the case the jacket fits EAR's style.
3. The weather in Davis in June (I'm estimating 50s in the early morning hours) is just on the edge of 'jacket weather'.
It'd be easy to forget the jacket when it's not really cold.
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By Breccia
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Re: Davis 6/24/78 attack and the Golden Bear Sportswear jacket

As portofleigh noted the blue GoldenBearJacket was (or thought to be by the company rep) retailed only in 2 store locations: Berkeley and Sacramento. Sacramento again.
With respect to geographical profiling (which was originally done for shopping demographics too) it would be interesting to put the Sacramento retailer on the EAR map. Does he/his mom/his SO shop close to home? probably.

On another jacket topic, and stacking an assumption on several other assumptions*---
this puts a Sacramento-dwelling EAR in an adult size jacket ~1973.

*if purchased in Sac, for EAR, not a hand-me-down...etc etc.
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By Breccia
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Jacket
Maybe Mr. EAR-ONS just stole it.

Maybe not.

I'm thinking he broke into hundreds of homes.

I think I read that he did steal clothes along with stamps,
dishes, camera equipment.... some other things.

Aaron
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By AaronTimones
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Re: Davis 6/24/78 attack and the Golden Bear Sportswear jacket

Dark Blue Windbreaker.jpg

This is a dark blue windbreaker. Can anyone tell if it is a Golden Bear?


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By akwilks
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Re: Davis 6/24/78 attack and the Golden Bear Sportswear jacket
haha, i dont think i have to ask who the guy in picture above is, right!!?
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By andythenatural
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Re: Re: Davis 6/24/78 attack and the Golden Bear Sportswear jacket
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haha, i dont think i have to ask who the guy in picture above is, right!!?
Pahahahaha, Andy. I saw this hours ago and didn't feel like logging in from my phone to post a very similar reply.
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By SpeakelOfEngrish
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Re: Davis 6/24/78 attack and the Golden Bear Sportswear jacket
It was apparently purchased in Berkeley, and the size, shape and placement of the pockets seem the same as a Golden Bear model. But I can't say for sure. Nobody knows? OK, back to your regular programming.
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By akwilks
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Re: Davis 6/24/78 attack and the Golden Bear Sportswear jacket
Way to sneak one in there AK. LOL...
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By guessting
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Golden Bear Jacket

The jacket left behind at the Davis crime scene as everyone knows has been identified as a Golden Bear. That is an indisputable case fact. So far, it has not been connected to any one suspect. That is, of course, because Davis PD chose to sit on that information for over 30 years. So, it's value today has been depreciated to the point of near uselessness. They didn't even hang on to the jacket.

As to whether it is the same jacket that one of the Maggiore suspects was seen wearing, it is important to keep in mind that only one witness described a similar jacket. The actual shooter (identified by the 17 year old) was wearing a waist-length leather jacket with a dark spot on the back of it. The jacket with the dark spot on it was also described by the first witness who saw two suspects together before the shooting and the witness who provided the "enhanced sketch" claims that the person she saw had a "dark spot" on the back of his jacket. (This witness came forward months after the fact and I believe that she "embellished" her description. Either that or there are two people running around both with spots on the back of their jackets).

The jacket in question was described as a "ski-type" jacket that was longer than waist length. The first witness described the 2nd suspect as wearing a jacket longer than waist length. So it is possible that the witness describing the "ski jacket" is seeing the 2nd suspect running by her. It is critically important to note that this witness DID NOT describe seeing a "dark spot" on the back of this jacket so it makes it less likely that she is seeing the suspect (shooter) with the leather jacket. It is also important to note that the suspect hid his face from the witness (as per the composite) so he well could have been the suspect with the mustache.

Further, the 17 year old, who presumably got the best look at the shooter, did not describe any emblems or unit patches on the jacket of the suspect that he saw. So that makes it less likely that he saw the person from the "enhanced composite". To further add confusion, a witness saw a suspect running who did not have on any jacket at all. This is suspicious because we're talking about February weather at night.

All of these differing descriptions can be explained by the fallability of witness recollections. It can also be explained by the fact that these different witnesses are seeing different people. The witnesses were placed under hypnosis but I do not know what studies have been done regarding the reliability of witness recall while under hypnosis.

I have placed all of the witness recollections on a timeline. The timeline demonstrates (at least to me) that these different suspects cannot be all one person because they have been seen in different locations AT THE SAME TIME. So I am not relying on the descriptions of the witnesses alone to make the determination that there were at least 3 different people running from the scene of the crime after the shooting. They all started running in the same direction but the shooter changed his direction after running into the 17 year old witness. He went east while the other two suspects travelled west (one with a mustache, one without).

Of note: there was ski jacket matching the description provided by the witness that was seen by an apartment manager in a dumpster a few days after the murders. This jacket was never recovered.
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By Archangel76
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Does anyone know what street the shooter last seen on?

From the above post he is running east, but was it southeast? Just curious because Mr Chaney once lived at 2594 Joerger St Rancho Cordova which is approx 1 mile from the crime scene.
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By thelostsock
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Posted By: Breccia

Regarding the GoldenBearJacket found between houses on the morning following the early a.m. 6/24 attack:
Portoleigh asks, "Did he leave the jacket intensionally?" "...these are not inexpensive jackets..."

I'm giving 'left it unintensionally' a 90% chance.
1. he donned a ski mask and then attacked. ski masks really hold in the heat...put one on and do some light household chores--you'll quickly become uncomfortable. Attacking a household of people, trapping the 10yo, tying 2 adults and performing several sexual acts...all that has got to raise your body temperature. Maybe enough to forget your jacket.
2. as Portoleigh notes, the jacket is not a cheap 'throw away'. The quality of the jacket, along with the variety of shoes, make me think this is a middle class perp. The jacket fits in with the apparel EAR comfortably wore.
In addition, EAR previously wore 'a dark blue windbreaker' during attacks (page 45, 229) ...on an attack 4-14-78 (pg 326) EAR wore a blue jacket. Was this the very jacket? Whatever the case the jacket fits EAR's style.
3. The weather in Davis in June (I'm estimating 50s in the early morning hours) is just on the edge of 'jacket weather'.
It'd be easy to forget the jacket when it's not really cold.
Port, Arch: On this attack (Modesto or Davis? I think it was Modesto) a woman met and conversed with him about solar heating. Is there a composite sketch for this encounter? Thanks, Sandia
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By Sandia
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Re: Davis 6/24/78 attack and the Golden Bear Sportswear jacket

The developer of village homes held a meeting of nearly all the residents in the subdivision the jacket was found in. This meeting was held to discuss residential security after one of the Davis rapes. During the meeting LE described the jacket that had been siezed. No one could claim ownership (surprise) or remembered seeing anyone wearing the jacket. The manager of Bluebeards in Sacramento was interviewed at the store located at 2528 Watt Ave. The manager did not believe they ever sold the jacket at that location. He stated "the jacket was different from anything that was sold at Bluebeard's while he worked there, and did not believe they sold the jacket during that time period." The former employee had worked at the store from 1970, just after it opened. There was also a manager interviewed from the Bluebeards on Telegraph Hill in Berkeley. Both stated there were very few of those jackets made because of the color and they did not sell well.

Ads were placed in the Sacramento Bee, Sacramento Union, Davis Enterprise, and daily democrat saying the following: "Found in W Davis, Dark blue sued jacket, zippered front, yellow stripes, on sleeves call" **** at******. It was a line with a trap on it and they were not succesful in finding anything more out about the jacket.

(description of jacket as written in the evidentiary report)

"The jacket is dark blue, waist length, with knit collar and cuffs with two gold colored stripes on each cuff and on the collar. The body and sleeves of the jacket are of a heavy leather and sued material. The two pockets on the side are trimmed in gold colored leather. The jacket is a "Golden Bear" brand, California made."

There is a Davis composite and I have sent it to Arch and Port requesting they post it on the board. It is slightly different that most of the others that have been seen on the board.

One other little thing I think is worth mentioning that I forgot is, when LE contacted the Golden Bears Sportswear in San Francisco, the only stores his employees remembered shipping the jackets to were "Hard on Leather" 1133 Polk, San Francisco, and "Leather Forever", 1738 Polk and 1702 Washington in San Francisco. He indicated that both were gay leather shops. He indicated they made less than 100 jackets of those models because the style was so different.g
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Good to know. Thanks for posting.
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By MovieMan
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Thank you g, this is really interesting. I am eagerly anticipating the composite. The woman that caught him in her back yard was close to him and spoke to him and I would imagine it would be one of the most accurate "if" she was indeed speaking with EAR/ONS and I suspect she was and "if" she was the one involved with creating the composite. I would have thought the jacket would have been purchased in Sacramento but if the employees are correct and they never carried it, the gay connection is staggering. Of course the "homosexual panic" comes to mind.
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By Sandia
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I am looking for more detail surrounding the origin of the composite, if I find additional info on it I will post it as well. Arch has submitted it and as soon as it is accepted it will be up. g
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By guessting
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Golden Bear
Isn't Golden Bear (wasn't it) Copeland Sports brand for tents, clothing, etc.? When we tent-camped, I know our tent was a Golden Bear.
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By dengas
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Re: Re: Davis 6/24/78 attack and the Golden Bear Sportswear jacket
Posted By: guessting

The developer of village homes held a meeting of nearly all the residents in the subdivision the jacket was found in. This meeting was held to discuss residential security after one of the Davis rapes. During the meeting LE described the jacket that had been siezed. No one could claim ownership (surprise) or remembered seeing anyone wearing the jacket. The manager of Bluebeards in Sacramento was interviewed at the store located at 2528 Watt Ave. The manager did not believe they ever sold the jacket at that location. He stated "the jacket was different from anything that was sold at Bluebeard's while he worked there, and did not believe they sold the jacket during that time period." The former employee had worked at the store from 1970, just after it opened. There was also a manager interviewed from the Bluebeards on Telegraph Hill in Berkeley. Both stated there were very few of those jackets made because of the color and they did not sell well.

Ads were placed in the Sacramento Bee, Sacramento Union, Davis Enterprise, and daily democrat saying the following: "Found in W Davis, Dark blue sued jacket, zippered front, yellow stripes, on sleeves call" **** at******. It was a line with a trap on it and they were not succesful in finding anything more out about the jacket.

(description of jacket as written in the evidentiary report)

"The jacket is dark blue, waist length, with knit collar and cuffs with two gold colored stripes on each cuff and on the collar. The body and sleeves of the jacket are of a heavy leather and sued material. The two pockets on the side are trimmed in gold colored leather. The jacket is a "Golden Bear" brand, California made."

There is a Davis composite and I have sent it to Arch and Port requesting they post it on the board. It is slightly different that most of the others that have been seen on the board.

One other little thing I think is worth mentioning that I forgot is, when LE contacted the Golden Bears Sportswear in San Francisco, the only stores his employees remembered shipping the jackets to were "Hard on Leather" 1133 Polk, San Francisco, and "Leather Forever", 1738 Polk and 1702 Washington in San Francisco. He indicated that both were gay leather shops. He indicated they made less than 100 jackets of those models because the style was so different.g
"He wore a leather hood with small slits this time". (pg 154)
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By ZForce
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Thanks for reminding me of the "leather" hood. I wonder if he bought it in the gay leather shop and I wonder if someone pointed out that he may have gone into that shop not because he was gay but he was looking for bondage paraphernalia. However, pg. 154 is a Citrus Heights attack.
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By Sandia
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At the very least it shows there is "leather" connection.
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By ZForce
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Golden Bear Sportswear Jacket
I wonder, could that jacket have belonged to a letterman's? They are commonly made of leather and wool, not sure about suede leather.
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Mind of a predator

Another poster reminded me that the crimes of Jon Simonis resembled EARS in both execution and surveillance. He attacked women while their husbands were bound and he used the phone to taunt his victims. Here is a fairly recent interview:



CHILLING MIND OF A PREDATOR







CHILLING: Donal MacIntyre interviewed Jon Simonis, who committed more than 100 rapes

Sunday September 20,2009

By Donal MacIntyre



WHAT type of person could coolly and precisely plan and rehearse the abduction of a stranger?





I gained an insight into such a mind when I interviewed Jon Simonis, who is serving 2,527 years in Louisiana State Penitentiary for more than 100 rapes and abductions.



The man known as the Ski Mask Rapist told me how he would coldly and calmly stalk his victims, sometimes for weeks, before executing his depraved rape and sadistic torture techniques.



“I stalked my victims like a hunter stalks deer. It sometimes took weeks to hone my target,” he said.



For him it was easy to separate the sex crimes from the planning. The rape was a pay-off for the organisation and the precision of the preparation.



“It was just me in another life,” he told me, in his prison cell, shackled by the feet, with a company of armed prison officers standing by.



Sexual predators have patterns of behaviour that can help build profiles of crimes and perpetrators.





Like us all, sex offenders are creatures of habit. Asked what drove him to commit these crimes, he said: “Some people are into sports. I was into excitement and adrenalin. Crime was my drug of choice. I could have done the same thing if I was into racing cars or climbing mountains.



“Crime had so much more to offer in terms of the different excitement.



“I have remorse for my victims but at the time you don’t care too much about the consequences or the victims.”



Simonis, 59, was jailed in 1981 for crimes committed over a three-year period. He will die in prison.


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By PortofLeith
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Breccia

I mentioned the retired cop's case only a few posts up (the other day) on this very thread.
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" no match on the DNA until someone gave a tip that lead to the ex cop"
Which is why I keep asking the questions about how a DNA sample gets entered into the database and when it's possibele to do a search. I still think from reading the CODIS protocols that law enforcement has to make a specific request involving a specific person being a suspect in a specific crime to get a sample run. Correct me if I'm wrong but just saying that a DNA sample has been entered doesn't mean the CODIS database has been searched for a match. And the searches are done using a code number so unless theres a match to a specific crime scene sample (for example an EAR victim) there won't be a positive result.
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And I'll bet there are pages and pages of rules, regulations, oaths that have to be sworn and all manner and form of stuff to be done before a DNA sample from a suspect/arrestee can be compared with a sample from a crime victim.
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If he has no ties to LE, military or Medicine...

then he is a Paul Bernardo type.
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Murder of Claude Snelling Re-opened in 1985

From the Fresno Bee August 17, 1986


Murder case still open
After several years without a lead, Visalia police announced in January 1985 that they had new information and a possible suspect in the 1975 slaying of a prominent College of the Sequoias instructor.

The information was substantial enough to reopen the Claude R. Snelling murder investigation and to assign an officer full time to the case.

The investigation was dropped, however, when it was learned that the suspect was in prison when Snelling was killed, said Lt. Dale Treece.

He said the case would remain open.

Snelling, 45, was shot to death in his back yard by a masked intruder who had just burglarized the house and was trying to abduct Snelling's 16-year-old daughter, Beth.

After shooting the journalism instructor, the masked man kicked the girl and fled on foot.

Police believe they came across the assailant about three months later during a stakeout in southwest Visalia.

Former officer Bill McGowen saw the man enter a garage and, holding a large flashlight, confronted the intruder when he came out.

The man turned and fired one shot at the officer, then fled. The bullet struck McGowen's flashlight, sending glass fragments into the officer's eye.

The injury was not permanent.

Police said they have checked out more than 50 leads, but have never had a prime suspect.
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One thing we know
If this guy was the EARONS we can add crack shot to all his other talents. And like I've said before somebody knows a guy with all the "talents" he's credited with having.
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By f1guyus
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Difficult to understand and accept these outcomes..

It is so frustrating that after all these years we still have no resolution to these cases. EAR has some very distinct habits that one should be able to rcognize him by. I still believe we will see justice and for the victims sake I hope it is soon. Thanks for posting the article Port.
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Posted By: f1guyus
If this guy was the EARONS we can add crack shot to all his other talents. And like I've said before somebody knows a guy with all the "talents" he's credited with having.
I remember this particular event was discussed in detail some time ago on the old AETV message board. The webmaster of the EAR/ONS site posted a good bit of information on the McGowan shooting, and according to Det. McGowan, the perp he was chasing used shooting techniques that were textbook with what is taught to LE or military personnel. I personally believe that the VR was a teenager, and that he had been taught firearms by his father or some other male figure in his life.

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Visalia the training Ground
DKK during his VR phase of his crimes learned a very important lesson with his near fatal confrontation with Det. McGowan. That lesson was suprise. The best way to carry out an attack and evade capture was to aviod a possible confrontation with police in the first place. Do not attack the same place twice, willing to drive to great distances to complicate an investigation with multiple police agencies and to waste as much as your oppenents manpower on false leads. The last strategy was revealed in the book "Sudden Terror." When the wife found a rope that was secreted under her couch cushion. She called the police and there was a multi-night stakeout at her home with the police secretly waiting in her home. Now ladies and gentlemen why would a serial rapist/killer who wore a mask and gloves every time to conceal his identity, pretended to stutter and cry to make peole think he was a crazy drug-addicted fiend, traveled hundered of miles round trip to attack, give away the location of his next attack? Simple answer. He wouldn't. Once he was inside that house everything he did was for a reason. He turned down the thermostat not becuase he was hot but he wanted to hear everything. He ate their food to prove that when he was in that house it was his house, not that he was a hungry transient living in a van. He put that rope under the couch cushion because he knew it would be found, the cops would be called and that they would waste hours of manpower while he was sitting at home laughing or committing a rape on the other side of town. He could have put that rope in the backyard or in the bushes near by it would have served the same purpose and if discovered would not have warranted much scrutinity. I am sure that he used this strategy many times. Now does this sound like the mental process of a paraniod schnizophrenic?
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By conquistador1521
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Everything
Everything this guy did was for a reason. And the reason was that he liked doing it, and didn't want to get caught so he could keep thumbing his nose at LE and the rest of us squares.
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By f1guyus
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Paranoid-schizophrenic
Conquistador, That was an eye opening post. The part of the shoe laces I fell for, it never occurred to me that he was just doing that to taunt and terrorize and laugh at everyone with no intention of returning. However, many people don't lift their couch cushions for a very long time. I wonder how he knew she would, could it be he left the cushion a little askance? According to the book, husband and wife were terrified and were doing a lot to check their security before turning in for the night, I wonder if he had been peeping and observing their routine. About the paranoid-schizoprehnic angle, I myself tend to agree with you but the experts (who aren't necessarily always right) think he is and remember some paranoid-schizo's know right from wrong while others are delusional and don't. By EAR/ONS's running and hiding and disguises etc. he obviously knew right from wrong.
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Posted By: conquistador1521
DKK during his VR phase of his crimes learned a very important lesson with his near fatal confrontation with Det. McGowan. That lesson was suprise. The best way to carry out an attack and evade capture was to aviod a possible confrontation with police in the first place. Do not attack the same place twice, willing to drive to great distances to complicate an investigation with multiple police agencies and to waste as much as your oppenents manpower on false leads. The last strategy was revealed in the book "Sudden Terror." When the wife found a rope that was secreted under her couch cushion. She called the police and there was a multi-night stakeout at her home with the police secretly waiting in her home. Now ladies and gentlemen why would a serial rapist/killer who wore a mask and gloves every time to conceal his identity, pretended to stutter and cry to make peole think he was a crazy drug-addicted fiend, traveled hundered of miles round trip to attack, give away the location of his next attack? Simple answer. He wouldn't. Once he was inside that house everything he did was for a reason. He turned down the thermostat not becuase he was hot but he wanted to hear everything. He ate their food to prove that when he was in that house it was his house, not that he was a hungry transient living in a van. He put that rope under the couch cushion because he knew it would be found, the cops would be called and that they would waste hours of manpower while he was sitting at home laughing or committing a rape on the other side of town. He could have put that rope in the backyard or in the bushes near by it would have served the same purpose and if discovered would not have warranted much scrutinity. I am sure that he used this strategy many times. Now does this sound like the mental process of a paraniod schnizophrenic?
Certainly doesn`t. Whoever EAR is/was ............he is definitely one of the most organized,diabolical offender to have operated in recent decades, his level of intelligent forethought and organization is unprecedented.........it really does raise the question what sort of environment he was raised in and schooled?
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I concur. The EAR crimes were not the work of a paranoid schizophrenic. Many schizophrenics are very intelligent, but they're just plain scattered. EAR is too organised. It's possible he might have been diagnosed as schizophrenic at one point, but he would've been faking it.
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By ons
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I'm not going to cite sources....and I definitely don't want to impede the EAR investigation....but on the VR end of things our suspect was active, at least out prowling, as early as September 1973. Description and location are spot on as per police reports, and is enough to make me comfortable in believing this individual was living in Visalia in 1973 at the earliest.
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By ZForce
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who is this guy i posted on the picture ? why is he a suspect ?
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I'm not seeing the picture you are talking about. If it was a sketch in Visalia, McGowen gave a pretty good description of VR. There were other sightings of prowlers, but those descriptions sound (to me) like the guy was wearing props (beard, glasses, curly hair, etc.).
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By dengas
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Now I know what you're talking about -- The guy in the casual suit? I think Wilks out-did himself with this one; It is not a picture of the EAR/ONS suspect. Who knows why he posted it as such...Maybe he'll answer.
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By dengas
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why whould he named that picture "earons" suspect" maybe he know something new lets wait .
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By ons
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Why?
Wish he would answer. I asked him on another thread. I don't think he knows anything new, but it sounds like there is plenty going on behind the scenes.
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By dengas
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dengas?
When was the stolen bike located in the neighbor's yard?
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By ZForce
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bike
I'll double check, but it seems that it was found the next day. I'll get back to you on that.
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By dengas
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I believe that the bike was found laying in the neighbor's yard on the 11th. The owner of the bike said that the last time she saw the bike was 9/9/75. It was a girl's Schwinnn bicycle.
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New Comps from the Maggiore Murders


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Am I the only one. . .

who thinks that these three comps from three different crime scenes look like the same person?

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Re: Am I the only one. . .
Nope. They look like the same person. Does that text beneath the middle comp read "Blnd" for blonde? (I always thought that comp depicted a dark-haired individual.)
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Blonde
Speakel- I think that was the caption- 5'9"-5'11" 20-30 Blnd. I believe this is the closest we are to knowing what he really looked like.
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I think they look alike. Although there are small variations, all the comps feature a man with thin lips and rather striking eyes and a wide nose.

Three different witnesses, I'm assuming, so what can we expect? Eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable (and this perfectly illustrates why). Everyone has a different interpretation.

Blonde? They all look dark haired to me. Unless it was a very dark blonde.
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The important thing to me is that they are three different witnesses from three different crime scenes who saw very similar features. I personally think he had that shade of auburn hair that is reddish brown in the winter and bleaches almost blonde when in the sun. Some people describe light brown hair as dirty blonde- it is all very subjective.
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A blonder EAR comp

Just for the heck of it:


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By SpeakelOfEngrish
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Sketches

These comps on the link above were so good; they gave me a sense of dread, and a headache from the memory. The four sketches along with one more from Maggiore, are a really good likeness of "Blondie". I would say that hair color is perfect most of the time Fall/Winter/Early Spring. I think he still goes to Baja/Mexico on a time share or surfing retreat for the summer. His hair is then a bleached out blonde from the sun.

I was introduced to him at a lake. I think it was South Lake in Irvine off of West Yale, and I swear they said his name was Brian. I had the misfortune to see him again, with someone who is a family member of a previous suspect (last name begins with G) in a different state. It is interesting that he and another prime suspect who was a marine (last name begins with W) were both in that state at the same time. So he was with TWO former primary suspects. The former marine, and former suspect lived right next to the victims in Irvine, and then moved to West Yale.

(I had someone remind me that there was a Brian Glasby. I did meet the Glasby brothers in the 1980s. Is it the ghost of Brian Glasby? Was I introduced to Brian Glasby in 1980 at the lake? Did Brian Glasby have hazel eyes? Did Brett Glasby have blue eyes? Do any of Brian Glasbys friends have Blue eyes and match the description?)

So ... I think there is a missing piece of the puzzle named Brian. He is in really good shape still; an amazing runner, the fastest I have EVER seen. He was sitting down the second time chain smoking (of all things) wearing gray Levi jeans, white t-shirt, and dark brown hooded sweat shirt. It was in the evening at 10:30pm in the summer, and his hair had turned super blonde.

He could care less that I, and a burly male were staring at him; and I asked out loud if he had broken into the residence. I was asking the witness was it him? He said it was not him. I think he is a lookout for whoever is also friends with them, and commits these crimes. I could be wrong, but I don't think his eyes are blue at all. I believe "blondies" eyes are a dark hazel brown/green (no blue). I have seen him three times in my life once at the park/lake, then at a residence with a witness, and once more at another residence 6 months later.

He never screws up, and he is super fast. There is no way possible to outrun him. I was wondering if he had shot up speed, and closed the door and locked it after seeing how freakishly fast he ran. He MUST park his car a mile down the street, or bike to the scene. I ran every license plate and never caught him. He is elusive and not a screw up, like some of the other suspects or friends of suspects.
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Non Secretors

I've read various studies that suggest that between 12%-20% of the population are non secretors. I did some research today and here is a partial list of infamous criminal non-secretors:

Paul Bernardo

Andre Chikatilo

Kenneth Bianchi

Dennis Rader

Peter Sutcliffe

and of course Ears ONS. Doesn't this seem like a disproportionate number of non secretor serial killers? I wonder if any studies have been done on this?

Cimmerian, Akwilks- If your DNA tests are taking too long, just have your detective ask for Ted's secretor status. I'm certain prisons probably have to keep blood types on file for medical reasons. That would be a fast way to eliminate him, as well as the fact that Ears Ons left fingerprints at more than one crime scene.



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The EAR cases, for all intents and purposes, are closed. No one can ever be prosecuted for the rapes. So I doubt they would cooperate. Fingerprints would not be a reliable way to rule Ted out since there were likely at least two "East Area Rapists" operating in Sacramento. I don't remember whether or not the nonsecretor blood found at the crime scene was found at one that was linked to ONS by DNA. Can someone refresh my memory?
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Fingerprints in Orange county
Fingerprints that were never eliminated as the suspect's were found at the Harrington crime scene according to the Orange County Magazine article. There is also an article that indicates the Harrington perp was a non secretor. There were two kidnapping attempts in the Sac rapes and the Maggiore murders that can still be procecuted.
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I would like to read those articles. As for the prints that were never eliminated, you really never can trust that kind of thing. People go in and out of houses all the time and there's no way of telling whose prints those belong to until you have a DNA confirmation of a suspect with confirmation of fingerprints. Although the kidnapping attempts and the Maggiore murders are still technically "open" there's no evidence to build a strong case, I'm afraid.


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Do your research..
There is DNA from a rape scene in Sacramento. It was collected before any of us could have imagined what future testing would do. That Detective deserves an enormous amount of credit for the great call he made in collecting all the blood left behind that evening.. Port, that is an awfully large amount of serial killers with a non-secretor status. Scary to think about that. g
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Port, that study should definitely done! That is fascinating find. I'm going to see if I can find any other serial offenders who are non secretors.
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Non-Secretor Trickery

Here's a story of how Kenneth Bianchi tried to use non-secretor status to fool the LAPD into thinking they had the wrong man...

As bizarre as Kenny's state of mind was, it did not compare with that of his creative girlfriend, Veronica Compton. She was supposedly writing a play called The Mutilated Cutter about a woman serial killer. She wanted desperately to talk to him to understand better the mind of a murderer.

Veronica fell in love with Kenny immediately.

Kenny saw opportunity in this relationship. He made a startling proposal -- one that could, if successful, grant him the freedom to spend his life with her. If she could just go to Bellingham and strangle a girl to make it look like the same man who killed Karen Mandic and Diane Wilder. Maybe even plant semen on the murdered girl.

It was one hell of a favor to ask, but Veronica agreed immediately.Kenny was a nonsecretor, which meant in the days before DNA testing, that his blood type could not be determined from his semen. Kenny packed Veronica off to Washington with a fresh load of his semen in a plastic glove.

Once Veronica got into this project, it was a bit more intimidating than it seemed in the planning. When she arrived in Bellingham, she had to build up her courage with large amounts of alcohol and cocaine.

Finally fortified, Veronica lured a woman into driving her to a motel and coming into the room for a drink. Veronica lunged at her with a cord and tried to strangle her, but the woman was too strong and threw Veronica over. In a rare lapse into rationality, Veronica decided it was time to go back to California.

But rationality did not overstay its welcome and Veronica, when she arrived at the San Francisco airport, distinguished herself by creating a kind of hysterical disturbance. To make matters irreparably worse, Veronica sent a letter and tape to the Bellingham authorities telling them that they had arrested an innocent man and pointed to the recent strangling attempt to prove that the real culprit was still at large. It did not take terribly sophisticated police work to link the police report of the woman Veronica tried to strangle with the photo of the lady who created the disturbance in the airport that same afternoon.

Now both Kenny and Veronica were in jail.



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My opinion..
I don't believe this was even a consideration back in the 70's, blood did not mean much more than a determining what your type of blood was. I might be wrong but I doubt Mr. Ear could of ever forseen how valuable his blood would become in this case. I hope it haunts him today. It is only a matter of time. I would spare your family Mr. EAR, because it would be a shame to have them find out how evil you are after your death. You will be identified! g
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Blood vs Saliva
If a person is blood type A, can they be identifed as a non-secretor by blood test only, or do you also need a sample of their saliva? Thanks!
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Re: Fingerprints in Orange county
Posted By: PortofLeith
Fingerprints that were never eliminated as the suspect's were found at the Harrington crime scene according to the Orange County Magazine article. There is also an article that indicates the Harrington perp was a non secretor. There were two kidnapping attempts in the Sac rapes and the Maggiore murders that can still be procecuted.
And there ought to be charges of domestic terrorism; EAR did hold a city/police force hostage. He threatened to kill his next victims if the story wasn't printed in the paper, didn't he? He also terrorized the victims he telephoned. Did he not also shoot at an officer during a stakeout?
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By ladyofthelake
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PortofLeith

said, "Cimmerian,Akwilks- If your DNA tests are taking too long, just have your detective ask for Ted's secretor status. I'm certain prisons probably have to keep blood types on file for medical reasons. That would be a fast way to eliminate him, as well as the fact that Ears Ons left fingerprints at more than one crime scene."

Good point. Much faster than the wait in line!


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Just wondering: Are there any fingerprints matching EAR and ONS? If so, seems like fingerprints would be a valid way of eliminating TK is the EAR/ONS.
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If a person is blood type A, can they be identifed as a non-secretor by blood test only, or do you also need a sample of their saliva? Thanks!
Google non-secretor. The information is extensive, and you pretty much answered your own questions. Non-secretor blood type through BLOOD only. Secretors means blood type through saliva, tears, sweat, other body fluids.
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Air Base Shenanigans for those who love to solve puzzles

The Board has digressed lately. It does seem that we have some posters interested in conspiracy theories, etc., so I am now presenting pieces of a puzzle for input.

This theft incident occurred at an unknown air base in Dec 1975:

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In March 1976, airmen at Mather, Travis, Langley and Seymour Johnson Air Bases were implicated in a large heroin ring operating from Thailand.

In January 1976 two hundred Saudi's began training at Lackland Air Base Texas. (shortly after the gold disappeared)

In February 1978, the Maggiores are killed. Was it because Brian knew something and was about to report illegal activity on base- gun running, drug importing, etc?

In March 1979, the Sacramento Bee reports the arrest of 6 airmen, 320th- drug importing.

No one claims the gold destined for Saudi Arabia and then in 1979 two Swiss Banks claim the gold found on the plane at Charleston Air Base. The puzzle of the missing gold bullion is unsolved to this day.

One of our victims had two business partners who were former Overseas National Airways employees, one of whom was Manager of Worldwide Marketing.

hmmmm. . is any of this connected to EAR ONS, specifically the Maggiore murders? I don't know. I do know that I have researched the names of lots of airmen who transferred from LAckland to Mather. Now if I could just find the right one who transferred from Lemoore NAS, to Mather, was drummed out, etc. etc. Maybe those of you posting who love to figure out anagrams could work on this for awhile.



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Doug French said:
"This whole enterprise exactly mirrors what the CIA was accused of perpetrating a couple of years later. The Contra cocaine conspiracy was the "next phase" of the CIA heroin conspiracy in Viet Nam involving "Air America". Both involved the CIA as either the perpetrator or facilitator of drug transactions out of war zones in an effort to raise "off-the-book" funds to finance those wars through drug smuggling by means of military or CIA-backed transport planes."

Then if EAR/ONS/VR were involved in sensitive operations for something like that it would be my humble suggestion that their boss should have realized that he was berserk, and fixed the problem. Would you want one of your employees committing over 50 rapes, and terrorizing an entire city/region of CA?

They spent 2 million in 1979, how much money would that be now to catch him? If that were true they should have gotten rid of the undesirables who were compromising their program instead of covering it up.

There is a rumor it was a cop who earned lots of overtime laughing the whole time because he was an accomplice and part of the task force. I was amazed at how much time and money they spent, as well as how big the task force was.

Would you run clandestine operations with someone so bizarre they stole underwear from 200 houses in the VR spree? Someone so sick he committed 50 rapes of teenagers, women, and couples? I would say he compromised a continued security risk, as well as a threat to public safety. I doubt he was that valuable.

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Re: Thompson & Glasby
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I know Thompson used to hang out with Glasby, and was also in Orange County in the late 70's. In fact I know Glasby and Thompson hung out with a couple of attorneys who are POIs in this case. I surmise they had a certain law offices that may have had warehouses attached to process uh umm ... "shipments" of various kinds.



It would be interesting to see if those attorneys had said office properties during 1979-1981.
I am not familiar with the name "Glasby'. (I admit that I am way behind the rest of you concerning the details of this case.) Caseprofiler, can you PM me a link or two about this person so I can learn about this "Glasby". Any associates of Thompson are of interest to me - especially ones that may be connected to the EAR case. Thanks.

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Re: Thompson & Glasby
Doug,

Glasby was a known troublemaker (drugs, etc) in Goleta who, due to his association with a three-toed German Shepherd, was considered a suspect in the six Goleta attacks. He was subsequently murdered in Mexico, and this occurred prior to the murder of Janelle Cruz—thus eliminating him as the EAR-ONS. Glasby is mentioned on the Wikipedia page for the Original Night Stalker.

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Thanks.

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Gold at Charleston AFB

I was stationed at charleston AFB when this happened. I worked in Transient Alert at the time and I worked with the people involved. If my memory serves me right this is what happened. A DC-8 belonging to ONA arrived from Okland Ca after being in a hanger for three days for inspections and maintance. When it arrived at Charleston AFB it was discovered that it was not scheduled to take a contract flight for three days. The aircraft was then moved across the feild to the civilian side. A spot that was called" under the oak tree". It also was in a nonlighted, unguarded area right beside some chainlink gates that were allways open. Anyway, three days later the aircraft returned to the base to pick up military passengers. While it was sitting on the ramp in VIP parking, a couple of our guys were helping out by moving some small wooden crates around. They were heavy and one joked that they were gold and they laughed. during the moving one crate fell and burst exposing the gold. I am not sure who was contacted but security police very rapidly secured the aircraft and area, searching trucks, people, ground equipment etc. Our people were harrassed for years about the missing gold. Anyway, long time ago.Undecided

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Missing gold

Ruger,

Thanks for sharing your personal memories of the missing gold bullion. i find it intriguing for several reasons, including the fact that the receipient in Saudi Arabia never stepped forward to claim it.. .also that the plane had made so many base stops that it was impossible to determine when and where it went missing. I wonder if the "found" gold is still in a bank in South Carolina? Can you imagine how much the missing portion is worth today?

I can see why detectives had so many suspects in the Smith murders. The Maverick International and Overseas National connections alone would make a great premise for a spy thriller.

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The CB lesson- question for Arch

Arch,

Nightdriver told me that the truck driver giving the Maggiore's CB lessons was cleared of any involvement. i guess my question is why were they getting lessons and were citizen band radios in trucks able to pick up police radio frequencies?

We know that the Ransacker and EARS ONS liked police radios. Were the Maggiore's walking at their usual time that evening?

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The 1977 Base Decal?

Is this the one you are refering to?

www.ear-ons.com/BaseDecal.html



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1977 base decal
Deadbolt- Yes, that is the decal.

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CB EAR

I just find it interesting that the ransacker was the most likely candidate to have stolen a radio out of a surveillance van in Visalia, that EAR changed his neighborhood after the CB posse was formed, Witthuhn was a ham radio operator, etc. I do think EAR was listening to police calls and reacting accordingly.


Yes. I believe EAR was very aware of police activity and procedure. How he avoided those phone traps is still a puzzle. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the type to take part in "police ride-alongs" like law enforcement wannabee Kenneth Bianchi. Some form of activity where civilians can interact with police. Perhaps also to talk about the "East Side Rapist" while feeding his ego and obtaining some information of what law enforcement knew.

*In the case of the Witthuhn homicide, he no doubt wanted an indication of where the police were in relation to 35 Columbus. Was he just being cautious or like in the Ventura homicides, where the victim screamed, he wanted to make sure that there wasn't a noise disturbance call with the police on there way?

* Prior to the murder, could EAR/ONS have communicated with Mr. Witthuhn via ham radio? Or perhaps even after?

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Re: The Lessons
Posted By: PortofLeith

Deadbolt:
Here is an article that talks about Junior the trucker and the CB lesson. I just find it interesting that the ransacker was the most likely candidate to have stolen a radio out of a surveillance vvan in Visalia, that EAR changed his neighborhood after the CB posse was formed, Witthuhn was a ham radio operator, etc. I do think EAR was listening to police calls and reacting accordingly



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So Brian was stationed with the 320th from Aug 77 and due to leave Mar 78. Very fishy to me. The military didnt assign people to units for 7 mos. At a minimum it was 2 yrs.

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So Brian was stationed with the 320th from Aug 77 and due to leave Mar 78. Very fishy to me. The military didnt assign people to units for 7 mos. At a minimum it was 2 yrs.

Sounds as if they had to get him out of there?

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Military Assignments
Is it really true that the military only moves people around every 2 years?

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Yeah alot of time it is 4 yrs. 7 mos isnt normal

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Posted By: deadbolt

I just find it interesting that the ransacker was the most likely candidate to have stolen a radio out of a surveillance van in Visalia, that EAR changed his neighborhood after the CB posse was formed, Witthuhn was a ham radio operator, etc. I do think EAR was listening to police calls and reacting accordingly.


Yes. I believe EAR was very aware of police activity and procedure. How he avoided those phone traps is still a puzzle. I wouldn't be surprised if he was the type to take part in "police ride-alongs" like law enforcement wannabee Kenneth Bianchi. Some form of activity where civilians can interact with police. Perhaps also to talk about the "East Side Rapist" while feeding his ego and obtaining some information of what law enforcement knew.

*In the case of the Witthuhn homicide, he no doubt wanted an indication of where the police were in relation to 35 Columbus. Was he just being cautious or like in the Ventura homicides, where the victim screamed, he wanted to make sure that there wasn't a noise disturbance call with the police on there way?

* Prior to the murder, could EAR/ONS have communicated with Mr. Witthuhn via ham radio? Or perhaps even after?
I find it very interesting that the ham radio was tuned to a police frequency at the Witthuhn's. Now I might be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure that one has to have an operator's license to use a ham radio. I realize that just because you don't have a license doesn't mean that you wouldn't know how to operate one, but I wonder if there is some sort of licensing bureau for the ham radio that would have records of licensed individuals. Once again, I know next to nothing about ham radios (except for what I saw in the move "Frequency" LOL), but since one can communicate with others world wide with it, for ONS to know what frequency the local police were on would indicate a frequent user of the ham radio, therefore, I would not be surprised if he was not a licensed user.

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September 1979 Santa Barbara Unsolveds

Does anyone have information on two unsolved murders in Santa Barbara the week before HH? The victims were Diane Craddock and Yvonne Hill. They were shot to death on 9/26/1979. I guess my question is : were they killed in a home or elsewhere?

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Re: September 1979 Santa Barbara Unsolveds

According to the 9/28/79 L.A. Times article ("2 Women Slain: Husband Sought"):

Two women, apparently dead about three days were found murdered in a home they shared near the downtown area. Bodies of Yvonne Hill, 33 and Diane Craddock, 29, were discovered Wednesday by a neighbor who became worried because she had not seen the women for a while... [They] had been shot to death. Neither appeared to have been sexually molested...Police said they were seeking Mrs Craddock's estranged husband Jimmy for questioning. He had lived at the house until about a month ago according to investigators...

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Thanks Speakel. The perp was either not the husband or they didn't have enough evidence to charge him since they are still unsolved.. It's interesting also that someone posted on another board that there were a series of rapes near Pershing Hill Park and Cottage Hospital at around this time- both are also near downtown.
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What wasn't looked at in Sacramento?

LE looked at high school students, parolees, CYA , realtors, delivery men, postal employees, telephone company employees, druggies, etc. At one point, they had a POI pool of 12,000 names.

What didn't they look at? i don't think they looked at the neighborhood canvasses for anything except reports of other burglaris or odd goings on and men they deemed to be in the right age group.

What about the 30 year old neighbor who worked as a pharmacist, was married , had two kids or the guy around the block who was a 32 year old doctor, married with one child, or the computer programmer who worked for a defense contractor or a college professor who lived in the neighborhood?

I think if someone in the neighborhood canvasses gave off the appearance of normalcy, that was the last he was heard of.. .but perhaps his name is still in the files.

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Re: What wasn't looked at in Sacramento?
32 year old Doctors! Whoa, that's hitting below the belt.
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Re: What wasn't looked at in Sacramento?
Maybe it was as simple as looking at the obituaries. Who died and who was their family. Pre burg the house while they were at the funeral. Keep a list and hit them weeks or months later.
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Re: What wasn't looked at in Sacramento?

The ear/ons suspect is a person above suspicion. I would not rule out any professional person in this case just because they are educated or rich. If this guy was a run of the mill criminal then he would have been caught by now.
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Then it's time to look at all the rich people in Rancho and Del Dayo.
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Did they look at 35 year old married grad students without children?
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High school students ... that was age group LE had targeted. I think that age group is too young.

Parolees ... from what institutiions? (local or state?) Did they look at paroled sex offenders?

CYA ... I don't know what you mean by these initials.

Realtors ... understandably

Delivery men ... understandably

Postal employees ... understandably

Telephone company employees ... understandably. (I find it unfathonable how EAR could have known that non-victim house occupants would not be home: husbands, brothers, sisters, mothers ... unless ... EAR performed home burgleries specifically to bug home phones of potential victims. In which case, he would have had technical telephone bug knowledge and/or experience.)

Druggies ... same LE mindset as high school students.

etc. ... be specific




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High school students ... that was age group LE had targeted. I think that age group is too young.

Parolees ... from what institutiions? (local or state?) Did they look at paroled sex offenders?

CYA ... I don't know what you mean by these initials.

Realtors ... understandably

Delivery men ... understandably

Postal employees ... understandably

Telephone company employees ... understandably. (I find it unfathonable how EAR could have known that non-victim house occupants would not be home: husbands, brothers, sisters, mothers ... unless ... EAR performed home burgleries specifically to bug home phones of potential victims. In which case, he would have had technical telephone bug knowledge and/or experience.)

Druggies ... same LE mindset as high school students.

etc. ... be specific





Drifter:

CYA = California Youth Authority- detains the most dangerous of juvenile offenders.

As far as being more specific about my "etc." read the Blinky Red posts on JJ's board. They give a good sense of how thorough some aspects of the investigation were.



Lost Sock- I hope they looked at college students, because the first Goleta attack occurred on the first day of classes at UCSB. We've discussed the Sacramento attack dates and how they fit into the CSUS calendar before and UC Davis summer school.
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excellent post.i believe his name is on file but wasnt considered as a serious suspect either due to age,alibi or social standing.this guy wasnt clever just very lucky.if we could test the 5000 suspects on the geographic profile or on the sacramento case files i think they would probably get this guy
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Re: What wasn't looked at in Sacramento?

I think law enforcement should look at Colleges and University students in the mid 1970s' If possible any tennis connections should be looked at. I now believe that there may have been an amateur tennis connection to this case. I think that we are looking at someone who was a University or college student who worked in construction possibly as an installer of doors, windows or roofing tiles who was also trying to become a professional in tennis such as a player or a scout or a trainer or a coach.
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What wasn't looked at in Sacramento?
The East Area Rapist for one thing.
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Re: What wasn't looked at in Sacramento?
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The East Area Rapist for one thing.
QFT.
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Re: port
Posted By: metalhalide
excellent post.i believe his name is on file but wasnt considered as a serious suspect either due to age,alibi or social standing.this guy wasnt clever just very lucky.if we could test the 5000 suspects on the geographic profile or on the sacramento case files i think they would probably get this guy
I am beginning to take the opposite view, I dont think EARs name was on file because I dont think EAR lived in any of the neighborhoods he offended in at the time he was offending there therefore even if cops did canvass the neighborhood after a rape they would have never got his name : My reasoning is that
(1)when bloodhounds were used they tracked his scent to car; (2) when they staked out the bridge and saw the guy the guy on the bike speed across............this to me suggests that he travelled a bit to get to his crime scenes.and was resident to were he struck.
Larry Pool and other investigators worked those files extensively and there still no headway......................its just possible this guys name was never there in those files.
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Possible break in the case?
This person of interest became known to me through a cold case program on t.v. My antenae went up when it was mentioned he was raised in Exeter, Ca. (Exeter, where is Exeter, I ran to google maps and found it is 11 miles from VISALIA.)

This person was living in Colorado at the time, during the program, without going into all the details, in 1983 he told his wife he was going to Florida. When his driver's license flashed on the screen, I paused the program, I noticed that in 1983 he got a driver's license in and listed his address as Garden Grove, California (Orange County) He did not go to Florida, he went to Garden Grove. I was able to get his DOB,height, hair & eye color, and weight from that driver's license.

He fit the description of VR/EAR/ONS: DOB: 12/29/48, BLOND HAIR, BLUE EYES, 5'10", 150 lbs. (exact!)
After more investigating and calling the local sheriff and reading his obituary, (he died in Jan. '08) I found out he went to Viet Nam 1968 - 1969. He claimed he got the purple heart. (He blamed his MILITARY service for the psychological problems that haunted him)
When he returned he became a COP in San Francisco (from 1970 until he resigned in 1979)
Without going into details, it turns out he MURDERED a man in 1980, a shady character that was a fence and a precious metals dealer. It is believed he murdered him in San Francisco and dumped the body in VISALIA.
(By the way when he was a teen in Exeter, his girlfriend, it was believed at the time COMMITTED SUICIDE when he broke up with her.) That should be revisited in my way of thinking.

(When I heard he was a cop in SFO during the VR's activities of '74 - '76) I thought that would let him off the hook until I realized he traveled from SFO to Visalia to dump the body. This guy was very intelligent and now I am thinking he was smart enough not to commit his crimes in the city he lived in yet was drawn back to Visalia. I wonder if his days off as a police officer fit into the dates of the attacks.

After the murder in 1980, on his daughter's birthday, he went to the store and never came back. He faked his death by taking a Honda, shooting it full of holes and putting animal blood in it.

The Oct. and Dec.1979 Goleta attacks don't fit in with the time line unless he traveled back and forth. I believe that at the time, after he retired from the police force, he was a precious metals dealer (possibly shady deals? that he still had to finish up?)
In June of 1981 he got married in Colorado (doesn't sound likely he would come back to Goleta on July 27, 1981, to kill again, but did he travel for
business?)

I tracked down his ex-wife and by e-mail I let her know I was interested. obsessed actually, in the VR/EAR/ONS cold case and that her ex fit the description to a T. That the Visalia connection was a big red flag, he was an admitted murderer, ex-girlfriend died, cop, military, connection to San Francisco & Garden Grove etc.

I broched the subject of the size of his privates.

Today she let me know that yes, indeed he was very small.

I almost fell off the chair. Just as I was beginning to doubt his connection, this fact is brought foward.

This person of interest is dead now, but his dna is being checked.

I am so hopeful that this will solve the case. Time will tell and I am anxiously waiting to hear the results.




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Re: From the Ojai Valley Times re Russ Whitmeyer
Posted By: f1guyus
But he kept running into dead
ends. A while back, Whitmeyerreceived a highly promising callfrom a couple in Rancho Cordova.In a crime chillingly similar to theSmith murders, a husband andwife heard their sliding glass doorbeing opened as they lay in bed.The wife called police, whoarrived quickly and were able toapprehend the intruder. On hisperson were a pistol, knife, amask, and three and one-half feetof precut cord. That was in 1974.1974? Anybody know anything?

I don't believe that ever happened.the police went to war to try to catch him , they would never over look a prime suspect like that.If that really happened it would have been on the front pages of every newspaper..if the animal is ever caught , I'm sure they will discover screw ups and incompetence by the police on some level, but not to that magnitude.

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Posted By: f1guyus
If EAR had a vasectomy early enough in his life to have that be identified in the Harrington murders anr Sandia's POI fathered children after that he's not the one. That was sorta my point. Also my point in saying that if Blank isn't the EAR it's somebody just like him. Let's see what the DNA says, but when I read the Harrington murder story on jjmcgr's website I thought well that's that, it's not him. Let's see.
OK Maybe I'm a little mixed up....Things sometimes get confused in my brain. I thought that Larry Poole came out and stated ear definitely didn't have a vasectomy. It was thought that Bruce or Doug made a mistake and took being a non secretor meant ear had a vasectomy, which to my knowledge ear hadn't had one. It was jut a misunderstanding. If anyone has anything to add or correct me, please do so.

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Re: Possible break in the case?
anyone know what's become of Jonkat and his POI?

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Jonkat
Maybe Jonkat was getting too close and was silenced permanently. Or maybe he was just an ex-con prankster with internet access? Either way I wont be losing too much sleep over it. I will give him credit at least his POI had a Sacramento connection, which is kind of like the only thing any serious investigator on this case can agree on.

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Re: Possible break in the case?
I just look at it as, if he was telling the truth, his POI is excellent. Then a big part of me doesn't see this guy as having the nerve (or stupidity) to go around telling ANYONE, even satan himself, that he's the EAR!!!!!

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Re: Possible break in the case?

no matter what the results are , you have done an incredible job discovering a new poi.I have always felt that answers could be found if investigators started at the beginning,during the ransaking time.I think he probably was between 16-20 years old at the time and definitely lived in that area.he probably even knew some of the people whose house he ransacked.police are convinced he was at a town meeting that one vocal mans wife was attacked 2 weeks later.somebody at that meeting was standing or sitting next to ear.I wonder if the police really investigated that to see if anyone at the meeting fit ears description?My guess he blended in because he was around friends and neighbors.

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About the age -- I am conflicted. I think VR sounds very young (14, 15) so immature, strewing underware down the hall, ransacking, pouring o.j. on clothes, I even think 12 or 13 for level of immaturity. But shooting people with gun sounds a bit older, then the EAR poem sounds really old, like mid to upper 20's?, then there is Professor Claude Snelling who in May of 1974 chased off a prowler who he stated looked really young, yet in Summer of 1975 he chased off an "older person", I wonder what he meant by older, older than 12, or older than a teen? I wonder if anyone has any info on a more detailed statement he may have made.

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Just Maybe
Just maybe EARONS wasn't the ransacker.

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Re: Just Maybe
Posted By: f1guyus
Just maybe EARONS wasn't the ransacker.
It's possible, but I find the information that guessting has laid out to be quite compelling.

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Re:Re: Just Maybe
I find the info compelling as well but the behavior/age doesn't add up. I would like to have VR and EARONS be the same person 'cause it solves more than one set of crimes and because the various victims and their survivors need closure. But if he's not he's not.

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Re: Not sure if I missed something...
... but has this guy's DNA been tested yet? The photo I saw of this particular POI (one I'm guessing was taken in the 70s, and in a police uniform) strongly resembles the sketch of the clean-shaven man in the Maggiore killings. While we can't say conclusively that the Maggiore killings are EAR/ONS, I can't help but wonder: Are there any updates on Sandia's POI?

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By confidentialtwo
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Re: I'm not sure if I missed something
Confidence, this poi's DNA was run and he was cleared. I took care to point out to Russ Whitmeyer that there were things that did not fit although many things made him of real interest. Russ wanted to have the DNA run anyway and it cleared him. I don't have time to look right now for where this info was posted but the update clearing this poi was posted on the board and discussed at the time. Possibly under another heading? I am confused as to why not under this heading.

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By Sandia
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Re: Possible break in the case?

Good dog was convinced that ear/ons was driving in from SF. I remember him telling me that in a message. I disagreed with him at that time. But it is possible.

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Re: Re: I'm not sure if I missed something
Posted By: Sandia
Confidence, this poi's DNA was run and he was cleared. I took care to point out to Russ Whitmeyer that there were things that did not fit although many things made him of real interest. Russ wanted to have the DNA run anyway and it cleared him. I don't have time to look right now for where this info was posted but the update clearing this poi was posted on the board and discussed at the time. Possibly under another heading? I am confused as to why not under this heading.

Congrats on some really terrific research.

The guy's DNA didn't match. But you performed some difficult work and, in the process, cleared someone who could have been a dead ringer for EAR.

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for the kind words, Drifter. There have been so many dead ends in this case but the noose is tightening. They'll get him. It is encouraging that this cold case has heated up and LE in all jurisdictions as well as lay people are still VERY interested and are working this case.

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Pregnant Victims

I have always wondered if there was something important about these attacks. It may be important, I am not sure. I wonder if anyone has any ideas about that. G

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1/19/77...
the only pregnant victim that I am aware of was the 1/19/77 attack where the familes' car was stolen as well. Depending how on visibly pregnant the woman was, I believe this would have been the Ear playing out some kind of fantasy of his.
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By deadbolt
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1970 Chevy Malibu, Stolen Afterwards

The EAR made his getaway in a 1970 Chevy Malibu: A two door sedan with a white exterior and black roof.

1970 White Chevy Malibu, with black roof_11970 White Chevy Malibu, with black roof_2
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Car was recovered
Hi DB,

Yes, the car was recovered.
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Thats good.

Do you have the details? Thanks G.
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The only thing I know is that it was found in another location. g
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Re: Pregnant Victims
If the Ventura murder last year of the couple with two kids on Faria Rd. Was an ONS crime, the woman would be another pregnant victim.
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Last spring
Some people have thought that the murders last May and June in Ventura could be ONS crimes. It is interesting that ( if I recollect murders took place exactly- to the day- 2 & 4 weeks after the Ear-Ons show aired on Wed. May 6th. It is also interesting to me that the very large Jesusita Fire was started on May 5th, in the foothills just above Santa Barbara. Everyone I knew in the school areas nearby had to evacuate on either the 5 th or 6th. The police knocked at our doors several times to make sure everybody was evacuating. Nobody was watching the A&E show about earons. The only thing people were watching ( if anything) was the news about the fire, from wherever they were staying. I thought this was interesting because the preview for the a&e show says...something like 'never before seen clues... A poem written by earons will be shown... and the ACTUAL recording OF HIS VOICE, which
has never been broadcast before to the public.' If this guy heard that.. Wouldn't he be scared people would recognize something from the recording? Might make him want to distract people from viewing the show in my opinion. Then ( if it is ONS) he acts out by murdering a marriage counseler 14 days later- followed another 14 days later, by the double murders of the beautiful couple who lived on the beach at Faria Rd, and who were expecting their third child. If these were ONS murders as some have thought- that is a lot to think about! No wonder A & E cancelled the next ONS show that was supposed to follow the first.
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Re: Details
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The only thing I know is that it was found in another location. g

Hi G:

Were there any other instances--speaking on the EAR crimes--in which EAR stole victims' vehicles?


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Stolen Vehicles
Hi AE7,

Off the top of my head EAR #4, #8, and #11 all had stolen vehicles that were recovered.
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The Cancelled THS Show
The reason the THS show was canceled is because THS is going to categorize the EARONS story under another "newly named show." The THS producers felt it was not an appropriate name to be under the "True Hollywood Stories." I believe it will be aired at some point under "E Investigates" or something along those lines. The cancellations were only done because of that.. g
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Re: Stolen Vehicles
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Hi AE7,

Off the top of my head EAR #4, #8, and #11 all had stolen vehicles that were recovered.

Hi G--


Thank you for the information. That's very surprising--I have never read nor heard that he stole victims' vehicles. This adds another dimension to my perspective. I find it very surprising he would engage in such behavior--simply because of the high risk factor, i.e., being pulled over after leaving a crime scene, involved.

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Re: The Cancelled THS Show
Posted By: guessting
The reason the THS show was canceled is because THS is going to categorize the EARONS story under another "newly named show." The THS producers felt it was not an appropriate name to be under the "True Hollywood Stories." I believe it will be aired at some point under "E Investigates" or something along those lines. The cancellations were only done because of that.. g

That makes sense. I always wondered why they used their THS moniker for this particular segment.

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Me too..
AE7,
I always wondered too. It was kind of a glorification sounding title. True Hollywood Story, like he was a star..In his own mind maybe, but not in mine..
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Stolen Cars
Just another way of thumbing your nose. "I broke in your house, raped you (or your wife/GF) ate your food, drank your drink, stole your jewelry, and got away in your car. And you couldn't do anything about it. Neither can the cops." This guy grew up in the company of people in his victims class but he wasn't one of them. And resented it.
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So to counteract that sort of attitude you would (say you were questioning him, or pursuing him) make him feel like none of your belongings in your house meant anything to you anyway, his p**is was small anyway, so there really was no emotion involved with the rape, there's more food at the grocery store, the drink was cheap wine and the jewelry was budget from the Caribbean? I don't know, I'm just trying to figure out how you would make his plan seem flawed, ridiculous and second rate. Which would put him back at square 1 or 0?
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By Sweetie
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If I was persuing The EAR I'd be in Fresno, Visalia, Hanford, Leemore and all those other towns in the Central Valley finding out where all the pretty girls from well to do families went. Then I'd track down as many as I could and ask them about all the guys they went to school with. I'd get a list of the grads and any dropouts who fit the general description of EAR. If I were questioning a suspect I'd ask for a DNA swab and wait for results. At this point the DNA is about it. Best any other clues would get you is suspects. Very best. Fact is we just may never know.
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Of course if you were the DA and you had DNA results and backup (rent receipts, drivers license records etc) you really wouldn't care about his attitude. You would offer him life in return for a confession or the death penalty if he didn't confess.
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