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Did EAR-ONS know Dr. Offerman?

Brett Glasby and the EAR-ONS both used 'Woofy', a three-toed dog, to aid them in their criminal activities.

Brett Glasby almost beat Dr. Offerman's janitor to death.

EAR-ONS murdered Dr. Offerman.

What are the odds that Offerman would be linked to two such awful crimes (both involving perps who used the same dog) by coincidence???

Surely EAR-ONS must either have known Offerman, or at least known of him via Glasby (and thus EAR must have been a confirmed associate of Glasby).

The only other explanations are that EAR-ONS used 'Woofy' to frame Glasby, after hearing about Glasby attacking the janitor - or that Dr. Offerman was the victim of an amazing coincidence...

Anyone agree that the ONS may not have been targeting random victims?

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You make a very.....
compelling case,all this kind of reminds me of a recent quote I read from a criminologist :
"there is no such thing as coincidence when dealing with serial killers"..........
Its very possible EAR knew him, the compelling thing about Goleta is that EAR struck there 3 times and the attack on Offerman was the only attack EAR ever made during the festive season which suggests that maybe he had some connection to Goleta . Assuming EAR had some connection to Goleta then I would say there is a high probability that EAR did indeed know him somehow.......
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I think I read somewhere that jewelry was hidden in the bed (by the bedboard) somewhere. This would indicate that Manning believed that they were being robbed. So I think that she probably did not know who it was.
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compelling case,all this kind of reminds me of a recent quote I read from a criminologist :
"there is no such thing as coincidence when dealing with serial killers"..........
Its very possible EAR knew him, the compelling thing about Goleta is that EAR struck there 3 times and the attack on Offerman was the only attack EAR ever made during the festive season which suggests that maybe he had some connection to Goleta . Assuming EAR had some connection to Goleta then I would say there is a high probability that EAR did indeed know him somehow.......
It was also speculated that Offerman was sexually assaulted, however Manning wasn't. Very curious indeed, as to my knowledge this is the only time in the entirety of the case the male was targeted. If ONS knew Offerman then for me that would have to blow the doors off on the medical connection theory.
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Another one of my opinions, nothing more!
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I think I read somewhere that jewelry was hidden in the bed (by the bedboard) somewhere. This would indicate that Manning believed that they were being robbed. So I think that she probably did not know who it was.

Sam,
The truth of the matter is in a report a ring was found to be hidden in between the mattress and wall. My feeling about that is not that she was hiding it so EAR would not take it but...That EAR strategically placed it there. If I was in the grips of the terror about to be murdered I would happily give all and any jewels to EAR. There is something more thoughtful in my belief regarding the rings location. Brett Glasby and some of his friends were patients of Offerman but until we identify EAR it will be very hard to say.

Sam, I also posted about the jewels being found so that is where you likely read it. g
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And on another note regarding the sexual assault of Offerman and Sanchez.
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compelling case,all this kind of reminds me of a recent quote I read from a criminologist :
"there is no such thing as coincidence when dealing with serial killers"..........
Its very possible EAR knew him, the compelling thing about Goleta is that EAR struck there 3 times and the attack on Offerman was the only attack EAR ever made during the festive season which suggests that maybe he had some connection to Goleta . Assuming EAR had some connection to Goleta then I would say there is a high probability that EAR did indeed know him somehow.......
It was also speculated that Offerman was sexually assaulted, however Manning wasn't. Very curious indeed, as to my knowledge this is the only time in the entirety of the case the male was targeted. If ONS knew Offerman then for me that would have to blow the doors off on the medical connection theory.

It was NOT speculated that he was sexually assaulted (he had lunged). It was considered because of the position he was found in. It is unlikely he or Greg Sanchez were sexually assaulted. There is a lot of info that substantiates this. g
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I think I read somewhere that jewelry was hidden in the bed (by the bedboard) somewhere. This would indicate that Manning believed that they were being robbed. So I think that she probably did not know who it was.

If your read EAR's pattern he "TOOK OFF" the rings of many of his victims. I am convinced he took those rings off of Alexandria or whoever.... Not the other way around. I recently mentioned it to some detectives involved in this case that the ring may of been from another victim. It is quite possible it is not even AM's ring. g
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Re: And on another note regarding the sexual assault of Offerman and Sanchez.
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compelling case,all this kind of reminds me of a recent quote I read from a criminologist :
"there is no such thing as coincidence when dealing with serial killers"..........
Its very possible EAR knew him, the compelling thing about Goleta is that EAR struck there 3 times and the attack on Offerman was the only attack EAR ever made during the festive season which suggests that maybe he had some connection to Goleta . Assuming EAR had some connection to Goleta then I would say there is a high probability that EAR did indeed know him somehow.......
It was also speculated that Offerman was sexually assaulted, however Manning wasn't. Very curious indeed, as to my knowledge this is the only time in the entirety of the case the male was targeted. If ONS knew Offerman then for me that would have to blow the doors off on the medical connection theory.

It was NOT speculated that he was sexually assaulted (he had lunged). It was considered because of the position he was found in. It is unlikely he or Greg Sanchez were sexually assaulted. There is a lot of info that substantiates this. g
Considered, speculated....it's semantics really. But thanks for clearing that up.
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Re: And on another note regarding the sexual assault of Offerman and Sanchez.
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compelling case,all this kind of reminds me of a recent quote I read from a criminologist :
"there is no such thing as coincidence when dealing with serial killers"..........
Its very possible EAR knew him, the compelling thing about Goleta is that EAR struck there 3 times and the attack on Offerman was the only attack EAR ever made during the festive season which suggests that maybe he had some connection to Goleta . Assuming EAR had some connection to Goleta then I would say there is a high probability that EAR did indeed know him somehow.......
It was also speculated that Offerman was sexually assaulted, however Manning wasn't. Very curious indeed, as to my knowledge this is the only time in the entirety of the case the male was targeted. If ONS knew Offerman then for me that would have to blow the doors off on the medical connection theory.

It was NOT speculated that he was sexually assaulted (he had lunged). It was considered because of the position he was found in. It is unlikely he or Greg Sanchez were sexually assaulted. There is a lot of info that substantiates this. g

I also suspect that the speculation about the possible assault on the males indeed arose from the position in which they were found in- I believe both were lying face down and naked based on the the MSNBC documentary,if anyone looks closely near the end they briefly show the crime scene photos from the Offerman/Manning and the Domingo/Sanchez crimes, the victims are shown lying face down in positions that would be consistent with being about to be or having been assaulted .....
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Medical connection + Another stray thought......
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I think I read somewhere that jewelry was hidden in the bed (by the bedboard) somewhere. This would indicate that Manning believed that they were being robbed. So I think that she probably did not know who it was.

Sam,
The truth of the matter is in a report a ring was found to be hidden in between the mattress and wall. My feeling about that is not that she was hiding it so EAR would not take it but...That EAR strategically placed it there. If I was in the grips of the terror about to be murdered I would happily give all and any jewels to EAR. There is something more thoughtful in my belief regarding the rings location. Brett Glasby and some of his friends were patients of Offerman but until we identify EAR it will be very hard to say.

Sam, I also posted about the jewels being found so that is where you likely read it. g
went through my head,given that Glasby and some of his friends was said to be a patients of Offerman I couldnt help but wonder maybe EAR was also a patient of his having visited him for some treatment, remember how the dogs in Sacramento reacted to EARs scent like he had some metabolic condition.........maybe this condition required EAR to see a nurse or physician at various points in time thus this becomes part of the medical connection and a possible connection connecting EAR to Offerman. Could it be that EAR was in Goleta ( visiting family or some other reason) then he needs to see a physician and he goes to see Offerman and while there bumps into Glasby or his friends and thus the Glasby/Offerman/EAR connection. From there EAR tracks Glasby or they somehow become connections and then the connection to woofy...........

While still on the possible medical connection and just to go off topic a bit , EAR seems to have gone out of his way to target the Harringtons in their gated community , he must have really wanted to target them ........which then comes back to the of how did he choose them? Is it possible that the medical connection in this case may have been connected to EAR visiting hospitals for his condition and then while there maybe he spotted Patty and took it from there.........
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I think I read somewhere that jewelry was hidden in the bed (by the bedboard) somewhere. This would indicate that Manning believed that they were being robbed. So I think that she probably did not know who it was.

Sam,
The truth of the matter is in a report a ring was found to be hidden in between the mattress and wall. My feeling about that is not that she was hiding it so EAR would not take it but...That EAR strategically placed it there. If I was in the grips of the terror about to be murdered I would happily give all and any jewels to EAR. There is something more thoughtful in my belief regarding the rings location. Brett Glasby and some of his friends were patients of Offerman but until we identify EAR it will be very hard to say.

Sam, I also posted about the jewels being found so that is where you likely read it. g

Thanks for clearing that up Guessting. If ear/ons had put that ring there strategically to fool us then this perp is alot smarter than I had believed.
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Re: Medical connection + Another stray thought......
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I think I read somewhere that jewelry was hidden in the bed (by the bedboard) somewhere. This would indicate that Manning believed that they were being robbed. So I think that she probably did not know who it was.

Sam,
The truth of the matter is in a report a ring was found to be hidden in between the mattress and wall. My feeling about that is not that she was hiding it so EAR would not take it but...That EAR strategically placed it there. If I was in the grips of the terror about to be murdered I would happily give all and any jewels to EAR. There is something more thoughtful in my belief regarding the rings location. Brett Glasby and some of his friends were patients of Offerman but until we identify EAR it will be very hard to say.

Sam, I also posted about the jewels being found so that is where you likely read it. g
went through my head,given that Glasby and some of his friends was said to be a patients of Offerman I couldnt help but wonder maybe EAR was also a patient of his having visited him for some treatment, remember how the dogs in Sacramento reacted to EARs scent like he had some metabolic condition.........maybe this condition required EAR to see a nurse or physician at various points in time thus this becomes part of the medical connection and a possible connection connecting EAR to Offerman. Could it be that EAR was in Goleta ( visiting family or some other reason) then he needs to see a physician and he goes to see Offerman and while there bumps into Glasby or his friends and thus the Glasby/Offerman/EAR connection. From there EAR tracks Glasby or they somehow become connections and then the connection to woofy...........

While still on the possible medical connection and just to go off topic a bit , EAR seems to have gone out of his way to target the Harringtons in their gated community , he must have really wanted to target them ........which then comes back to the of how did he choose them? Is it possible that the medical connection in this case may have been connected to EAR visiting hospitals for his condition and then while there maybe he spotted Patty and took it from there.........

We had looked at the possibility in the past that ear/ons was suffering from Type 1 diabetes because of his non-secretor status. It was recently found that there is a link between Type 1 diabetes and a slowing of mental speed and diminished mental flexibliity in persons suffering from Type 1 diabetes.

Here is a pdf link to an article that I found

www.touchbriefings.com/pdf/2396/Biessels.pdf



Was ear/ons seeing Dr. Offerman because he was experiencing a slowing of mental speed and diminished mental flexibliity because of Type 1 diabetes ?. It is possible.
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I think I read somewhere that jewelry was hidden in the bed (by the bedboard) somewhere. This would indicate that Manning believed that they were being robbed. So I think that she probably did not know who it was.

Sam,
The truth of the matter is in a report a ring was found to be hidden in between the mattress and wall. My feeling about that is not that she was hiding it so EAR would not take it but...That EAR strategically placed it there. If I was in the grips of the terror about to be murdered I would happily give all and any jewels to EAR. There is something more thoughtful in my belief regarding the rings location. Brett Glasby and some of his friends were patients of Offerman but until we identify EAR it will be very hard to say.

Sam, I also posted about the jewels being found so that is where you likely read it. g
With all due respect, I disagree about EAR taking Manning's ring off. Samk, just because Manning believed they were being robbed, does not mean that she knew who EAR/ONS was. All she saw was someone (probably in a ski mask) likely pointing a gun at her and Offerman and likely demanding money. It could have been anyone.
From reading the EAR accounts in Sudden Terror, it is obvious that EAR used a standard script (e.g. "I am only here for money and food", etc.). This was his technique to ensure that his victims would cooperate; thus likely making them think, "If we cooperate, he will just take our valuables and money and leave." If EAR were to reveal his true intentions and told them, "I am here to sexually assault your wife and then bludgeon you both to death", the victims would be fighting for their lives because EAR is going to kill them anyway. This is the same technique that was used by the highjackers in 911. "If we just let the passengers think that we will land and release them once our demands have been met, then we will not encounter resistance from them." This technique also worked then in keeping the passengers compliant... until the passengers on board flight 93 were informed by family members of the flights that were just previously flown into the World Trade Center. Once this was discovered, they took action realizing that the highjackers were going to kill them anyway and if they did not act, then death was imminent. Therefore, I believe that EAR/ONS used his standard line of only being there for money,etc. As a result, Manning removed her rings and tucked them in between the mattress. All of this was done before Manning knew she and Offerman would be killed. I cannot think of any reason why EAR/ONS would strategically place them there and what purpose that would serve. Guessting, I remember it was you who initially informed me of the ring being found in between the mattress and you also stated that LE assumed that Manning placed it there. You also alluded that you were in agreement with this theory. I am just curious what reasons do you have for your change of opinion? Because Manning removing it makes more sense logically than EAR removing it, unless you know something that I don't.
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I think I read somewhere that jewelry was hidden in the bed (by the bedboard) somewhere. This would indicate that Manning believed that they were being robbed. So I think that she probably did not know who it was.

Sam,
The truth of the matter is in a report a ring was found to be hidden in between the mattress and wall. My feeling about that is not that she was hiding it so EAR would not take it but...That EAR strategically placed it there. If I was in the grips of the terror about to be murdered I would happily give all and any jewels to EAR. There is something more thoughtful in my belief regarding the rings location. Brett Glasby and some of his friends were patients of Offerman but until we identify EAR it will be very hard to say.

Sam, I also posted about the jewels being found so that is where you likely read it. g
With all due respect, I disagree about EAR taking Manning's ring off. Samk, just because Manning believed they were being robbed, does not mean that she knew who EAR/ONS was. All she saw was someone (probably in a ski mask) likely pointing a gun at her and Offerman and likely demanding money. It could have been anyone.
From reading the EAR accounts in Sudden Terror, it is obvious that EAR used a standard script (e.g. "I am only here for money and food", etc.). This was his technique to ensure that his victims would cooperate; thus likely making them think, "If we cooperate, he will just take our valuables and money and leave." If EAR were to reveal his true intentions and told them, "I am here to sexually assault your wife and then bludgeon you both to death", the victims would be fighting for their lives because EAR is going to kill them anyway. This is the same technique that was used by the highjackers in 911. "If we just let the passengers think that we will land and release them once our demands have been met, then we will not encounter resistance from them." This technique also worked then in keeping the passengers compliant... until the passengers on board flight 93 were informed by family members of the flights that were just previously flown into the World Trade Center. Once this was discovered, they took action realizing that the highjackers were going to kill them anyway and if they did not act, then death was imminent. Therefore, I believe that EAR/ONS used his standard line of only being there for money,etc. As a result, Manning removed her rings and tucked them in between the mattress. All of this was done before Manning knew she and Offerman would be killed. I cannot think of any reason why EAR/ONS would strategically place them there and what purpose that would serve. Guessting, I remember it was you who initially informed me of the ring being found in between the mattress and you also stated that LE assumed that Manning placed it there. You also alluded that you were in agreement with this theory. I am just curious what reasons do you have for your change of opinion? Because Manning removing it makes more sense logically than EAR removing it, unless you know something that I don't.
Im kind of curious : was this ring very valuable , in other words: was it made of gold and precious stones ?
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I think I read somewhere that jewelry was hidden in the bed (by the bedboard) somewhere. This would indicate that Manning believed that they were being robbed. So I think that she probably did not know who it was.

Sam,
The truth of the matter is in a report a ring was found to be hidden in between the mattress and wall. My feeling about that is not that she was hiding it so EAR would not take it but...That EAR strategically placed it there. If I was in the grips of the terror about to be murdered I would happily give all and any jewels to EAR. There is something more thoughtful in my belief regarding the rings location. Brett Glasby and some of his friends were patients of Offerman but until we identify EAR it will be very hard to say.

Sam, I also posted about the jewels being found so that is where you likely read it. g
With all due respect, I disagree about EAR taking Manning's ring off. Samk, just because Manning believed they were being robbed, does not mean that she knew who EAR/ONS was. All she saw was someone (probably in a ski mask) likely pointing a gun at her and Offerman and likely demanding money. It could have been anyone.
From reading the EAR accounts in Sudden Terror, it is obvious that EAR used a standard script (e.g. "I am only here for money and food", etc.). This was his technique to ensure that his victims would cooperate; thus likely making them think, "If we cooperate, he will just take our valuables and money and leave." If EAR were to reveal his true intentions and told them, "I am here to sexually assault your wife and then bludgeon you both to death", the victims would be fighting for their lives because EAR is going to kill them anyway. This is the same technique that was used by the highjackers in 911. "If we just let the passengers think that we will land and release them once our demands have been met, then we will not encounter resistance from them." This technique also worked then in keeping the passengers compliant... until the passengers on board flight 93 were informed by family members of the flights that were just previously flown into the World Trade Center. Once this was discovered, they took action realizing that the highjackers were going to kill them anyway and if they did not act, then death was imminent. Therefore, I believe that EAR/ONS used his standard line of only being there for money,etc. As a result, Manning removed her rings and tucked them in between the mattress. All of this was done before Manning knew she and Offerman would be killed. I cannot think of any reason why EAR/ONS would strategically place them there and what purpose that would serve. Guessting, I remember it was you who initially informed me of the ring being found in between the mattress and you also stated that LE assumed that Manning placed it there. You also alluded that you were in agreement with this theory. I am just curious what reasons do you have for your change of opinion? Because Manning removing it makes more sense logically than EAR removing it, unless you know something that I don't.
Good points law student. I don't think he took off his mask
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Out Of Curiosity...
Does anyone feel if ONS knew Offerman that this would bolster a medical connection theory?
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Re: Did EAR-ONS know Dr. Offerman?

I suspect that he had Type 1 diabetes because of his non-secretor status. Type 1 diabetes can lead to mild dementia. So I would not be suprised if it turns out that Dr. Offerman was recommended to ear/ons by someone else and this is why he knew Dr Offerman.
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I think that the likelyhood
Of Dr Robert Offerman knowing Ear-Ons is slim.The Drs house was just the last in a long line of burglarys that night.There was one next door.I think the Drs house suited him and the neighbourhood suited him aswell.
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Of Dr Robert Offerman knowing Ear-Ons is slim.The Drs house was just the last in a long line of burglarys that night.There was one next door.I think the Drs house suited him and the neighbourhood suited him aswell.
So just a coincidence that both Offerman and his janitor were attacked by different perps who both just happened to use 3-toed dogs to assist them in their crimes?
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I dont know much about
the attacks or the three toed dogs to comment.Maybe there is a link.
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the attacks or the three toed dogs to comment.Maybe there is a link.
I'm not saying for certain that there is a link - but it looks like there may well be one - and I think it is an avenue which should be re-explored.
Of course it may well be one of those weird coincidences.The psychologist who said 'there is no such thing as coincidence regarding serial killers' was IMHO wrong.Look at some of the suspects in the Zodiac case - there have been several great suspects who of course cannot all be the killer.Some have just been the victims of unlucky coincidences...
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Did EAR-ONS know Dr. Offerman? (responses continued)

Brett Glasby and the EAR-ONS both used 'Woofy', a three-toed dog, to aid them in their criminal activities.

Brett Glasby almost beat Dr. Offerman's janitor to death.

EAR-ONS murdered Dr. Offerman.

What are the odds that Offerman would be linked to two such awful crimes (both involving perps who used the same dog) by coincidence???

Surely EAR-ONS must either have known Offerman, or at least known of him via Glasby (and thus EAR must have been a confirmed associate of Glasby).

The only other explanations are that EAR-ONS used 'Woofy' to frame Glasby, after hearing about Glasby attacking the janitor - or that Dr. Offerman was the victim of an amazing coincidence...

Anyone agree that the ONS may not have been targeting random victims?

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I cannot think of any reason why EARONS would need to borrow or even use someone else's dog to successfully accomplish his attacks. A borrowed dog would be as risky an acquisition as a human accomplice. If he took it to frame Gladsby, if it really was Gladsby's dog, he would only have done so if he felt that LE were closing in on him and he needed to send them in another direction. If he merely selected a local dog, it strikes me as a tremendous waste of time and effort to coax a canine into accompanying you. A dog would present little or no extra protection to a perpetrator subduing his victims, at least in comparison to the reasoning power prvided through the wielding of a gun. Then you have the issue of disposing of your newly acquired accomplice: Do you simply let him loose? Do you take him back to his owner's house? Why go to such elaborate lengths of time to do nothing more than have a companion at your crime scene?

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I cannot think of any reason why EARONS would need to borrow or even use someone else's dog to successfully accomplish his attacks. A borrowed dog would be as risky an acquisition as a human accomplice. If he took it to frame Gladsby, if it really was Gladsby's dog, he would only have done so if he felt that LE were closing in on him and he needed to send them in another direction. If he merely selected a local dog, it strikes me as a tremendous waste of time and effort to coax a canine into accompanying you. A dog would present little or no extra protection to a perpetrator subduing his victims, at least in comparison to the reasoning power prvided through the wielding of a gun. Then you have the issue of disposing of your newly acquired accomplice: Do you simply let him loose? Do you take him back to his owner's house? Why go to such elaborate lengths of time to do nothing more than have a companion at your crime scene?

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EARONS didn't need the dog to help him kill people. He brought a gun, anticipating fatalaties. A silencer would have been his selection if he wanted to improve his MO. With that, he would have ensured that no one heard him killing anyone he needed to. Furthermore, the dog was taken on a raid at Christmas time, such that gunshots would have been anticipated as fireworks. No, the dog was taken as an excuse to leave somewhere for a prolonged period of time. It was to convince others that he had a geniune reason to leave and do somthing.

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"No, the dog was taken as an excuse to leave somewhere for a prolonged period of time. It was to convince others that he had a geniune reason to leave and do somthing."
Excellent assumption! I always wondered why anyone who was out to commit burglary, rape and murder in a populated area would be so foolish to take a dog with him. The dog would be no "help" to commit the crime. The dog could be the perfect excuse for being not at home. So the earons NEEDED some kind of excuse. He no longer had the operational freedom that he enjoyed in northern california. Ist is usually assumed that ear-ons visited family or friends (Glasby?) in Goleta. Or he already lived with someone (girlfriend/wife/relative) permanently in the area of the ons-attacks. A very sickening thought: didn´t the person(s) ear-ons visited or lived with became suspicious? Did no one count two and two together? When the crimes and the possible dog connection was made public, did no one wonder why the house guest was always walking the dog when a brutal murder was comitted in the neighbourhood, just a few blocks away?

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"No, the dog was taken as an excuse to leave somewhere for a prolonged period of time. It was to convince others that he had a geniune reason to leave and do somthing."
Excellent assumption! I always wondered why anyone who was out to commit burglary, rape and murder in a populated area would be so foolish to take a dog with him. The dog would be no "help" to commit the crime. The dog could be the perfect excuse for being not at home. So the earons NEEDED some kind of excuse. He no longer had the operational freedom that he enjoyed in northern california. Ist is usually assumed that ear-ons visited family or friends (Glasby?) in Goleta. Or he already lived with someone (girlfriend/wife/relative) permanently in the area of the ons-attacks. A very sickening thought: didn´t the person(s) ear-ons visited or lived with became suspicious? Did no one count two and two together? When the crimes and the possible dog connection was made public, did no one wonder why the house guest was always walking the dog when a brutal murder was comitted in the neighbourhood, just a few blocks away?
I thought the dog, if there was a dog and ears was with it, would have been at the crime sites. Maybe both G2 &G3. So in that context, it makes no sense that he was using dog walking as his excuse to be away from home or someone, if there even was someone. Bringing a dog would be risky, whether he brought it to the crime sites or had it tied somewhere he would then supposedly go back and pick him up as he walked away from the crime site under the guise of a dog walker.

Because he had to haul ass out of there and dog would be serious trouble if he got separated from it. And if he was living around there, its even possible that the dog could lead the LE back to earons. That would have to be one highly trained dog to listen to him, especially if it was at the crime scene and experienced the violence in that home. It would have never seen a human killed, and killed in such a violent vicious way. I would bet that that would agitate a dog (understatement). Oh, and can the dog jump fences? The two of them running away through yards jumping fences, etc, would have been more noisy (and possibly draw attention) than if it were just him.
Im not saying he didnt bring a dog, but it doesnt sound like something he would do because of the risk. And it really doesnt sound like something he would use as an excuse to gf or family member to be out late at night., also because of the risk. What does he do when he comes home without the dog because it got spooked and ran away, etc? I doubt he trained a second dog to withstand being around vicious bludgeonings, so that he he could take it for the next attack. Dog all have different personalities, they arent robots you can train to be perfectly what you want them to be. And they are unpredictable.

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This dog thing continues to drive me batty!!!

You are absolutely right about dogs. However: IF the dog actually belonged to EAR/ONS then there is no reason to assume it wouldn't behave as instructed around him. We know so little about this guy, there's every possibility that the dog witnessed him doing all manner of no-good and could have been well trained and used to it. As sickening a thought at that is. We also know this guy liked to beat dogs to death, so who knows what ugly methods he might have used to get the dog to behave. However, I think it's more likely that the dog WAS in the residences when these crimes were being committed. Having the dog tied up outside the house or around the block was risky as it was likely to become agitated and bark and any variety of things happening out there at night and would attract attention. I mean, how many times have you or I come across a dog tied to a street sign at 4am barking it's head off? It would certainly be an unusual sight.

So.... if the dog was indeed 3 toed and actually belonged to Glasby........ WTF??

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Could EAR/ONS be sitting in prison in California or another state without his DNA having been taken?

If EAR/ONS is currently in prison, and if he went to prison before the Harrington's got the law changed regarding taking DNA without the prisoner's permission, could it be EAR/ONS DNA has not been taken? If that is the case could it be that his DNA will not be taken unless he is scheduled for release?

I am confused on the law regarding this. I googled it and see the Michigan recently passed a law requiring inmates be tested that are incarcerated and have not had their DNA taken. So I wonder what is the case in California, and also what about the rest of the nation because it is entirely possible EAR/ONS is currently incarcerated in another state.

It is creepy to think that DNA could be taken shortly before a murderer's release and the results come back "after" he has flown the coop so to speak. Can anyone shed light on this?

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Re: Could EAR/ONS be sitting in prison in California or another state without his DNA having been taken?
You know this whole thing is futile. EAR is dead. Even if we find his dead body we won't be able to squeeze a story out of him. Why are we even wasting our time?

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Re: Could EAR/ONS be sitting in prison in California or another state without his DNA having been taken?
If this perp is in jail then I think he may be in jail for a crime other than sexual assault or murder. Most likely bank robbery. I think he is very bold and arrogant and would not hesitate to rob banks if he needed the money. It would be interesting if someone takes a look at bank robbers who committed robberies in California.

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Re: Re: Could EAR/ONS be sitting in prison in California or another state without his DNA having been taken?
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You know this whole thing is futile. EAR is dead. Even if we find his dead body we won't be able to squeeze a story out of him. Why are we even wasting our time?
At least we will know who he was, and we can build a picture from there. I think at the very least the 100+ people he has caused misery over 36 years deserve that much.

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1991 case Granite Bay green fibers/metal flakes!! + question for PortofLeith

Sorry, I don't know why this posted before I even started typing:

Last Wednesday, I recorded an episode of Cold Case Files that Conquistador mentioned was going to be coming on the t.v. I watched it last night. The program was about the Granite Bay woman, Cindy Wanner, that was abducted in 1991 while cleaning her sister's home. Her baby was left in a highchair unharmed. There was no sign of a struggle. Granite Bay being about 11 miles from Citrus Heights.

A cigarette butt was found outside the home on a walkway. Nobody in the family smoked. It is possible the cigarette was from the killer. EAR/ONS smoked and cigarettes were usually found at the scene of his crimes.

She was found by a deer hunter 11 days later in the forest. She had been strangled with a wire. In the crevaces of her neck and in her hair by her neck were GREEN FIBERS AND METAL FLAKINGS.

She was nude except for she still had her bra on. (In Sudden Terror over and over again, it was mentioned that EAR/ONS did not tough the woman's breasts and there was no dna or forensic evidence on Cindy's breasts or bra)

A bag was found in a garbage dump a few hundred feet away from her. (I don't know if the bag was canvas, or vinyl, etc.) In the bag were 4 beer cans, pornographic magazines and a poronographic video and green fibers and metal flakings. I recall in Sudden Terror it was mentioned various times that EAR/ONS brought a bag with him.

GREEN FIBERS AND METAL FLAKINGS! 1)Alexandria Manning, green particles of an unknown origin sprinkled around her. 2) Cheri Domingo unknown fibers scattered over her body 3) Charlene Smith fibers on Charlene's ankle 4) Manuela Witthuhn ball of fibers on her spine

Does anyone know if green fibers were found on Janelle Cruz?

I am seriously thinking that this is connected. 1991 is also the year of the phone call. Granite Bay means Conquistador might be right and he never left, or maybe he moved back, or maybe he is a trucker or has some sort of job that has him traveling and driving up and down the coast. Cigarettes were usually found outside the homes of the victims. He drank beer. THE GREEN FIBERS AND paint flakings. I am hypothesising that he still is active. That he had been continually changing his M.O. He stopped using the dish trick. He tried to change it in Goleta, and after 1986 he may have decided to change it again and stop bludgeoning his victims, stopped attacking couples as that is quite unique and would point to him.

As was mentioned in an earlier post, he never murdered with a child in the house so could that be why he abducted Cindy Wanner? Or has he started abducting victims to change his M.O.

However,remember Oakdale, the sleeping woman awoke to someone bludgeoning her with a log, when her child came in the room and the would-be murderer ran out.

It looks like EAR/ONS did not want to harm small children. (The only single thing I can say good about him, although he didn't care that he robbed children of their parents.)

PortofLeith: You brought up the green paint chips and possibly coming from a bag. Where did you hear that? Did you hear it from the Cold Case File on Cindy Wanner or elsewhere?



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Gary Ridgway left cigarettes as false clues
Ridgway did not actually smoke.
How do we know for sure that EAR was not leaving the same false clue? Not many victims described him as smelling of smoke.The main reason for EAR using matches at crime scenes could have been to help him see things without having to switch lights on.
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Cigarettes

One of the brands associated with EAR was Vantage -- the ones with the holes in their filters. A Vantage cigarette had been found in a victim's ashtray, and no one in the house smoked Vantage.

Curiously, however, none of the EAR's victims ever reported smelling cigarette smoke on him. So, it cannot be said conclusively that EAR was a smoker. Gary Ridgway, I believe was a non-smoker, and also borderline retarded, yet he was "clever" enough to plant cigarette butts near the bodies he dumped.

Vantage Cigarettes (Warning: NSFW!)

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Wooden matches:

I found one note and I can't cite my source right now: A partially burned wooden match was found in the Offerman fireplace.

Also regarding Manuela Witthuhn: pg. 443 Sudden Terror, "Wooden matches were found; two in front of the door leading into the garage and four in the flower bed alongside the garage. Similar matches had been collected at the Goleta murder scene."

I read somewhere else wooden matches were found on a hearth. I don't remember from which scene.

It is interesting that they don't mention cigarette butts in Crompton's book and I do not recall where I heard about the butts.
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wooden matches
Probably they were easier to carry than a flashlight. Maybe he just used the matches as a source of light.
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Re: 1991 case Granite Bay green fibers/metal flakes!! + question for PortofLeith
I personally spoke with the detective in the Wanner case and there in no known connection between EARONS and Wanner's killer.
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Probably they were easier to carry than a flashlight. Maybe he just used the matches as a source of light.

...and perhaps less obvious to a neighbour than a flashlight being switched on.


Even if the neighbour saw the faint light from a match, he or she might just think it was their neighbour (or a guest) having a late night smoke...much less suspicious than someone shining a torch outside a house in the middle of the night.

I do not think that the EAR would hang around in plain sight for too long - I doubt if he would actually stand smoking a cigarette for 5-10 minutes outside a victim's property.
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To Guessting, re Granite Bay fibers
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I personally spoke with the detective in the Wanner case and there in no known connection between EARONS and Wanner's killer.
G, I definitely respect what the detective says, I know he has inside information that we don't have, and I understand the m.o. is very different BUT those green fibers! I saw what they looked like in the program. Have they been compared to the other fibers found on and around the other victims? Can he say these fibers are the same, similar or not the same at all? I can't get past these fibers!!
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Re: 1991 case Granite Bay green fibers/metal flakes!! + question for PortofLeith
The fibers are not the same at all. I brought it to the detectives attention over a year ago. Other detectives involved in the EAR cases have also looked into it. It is not the same offender.
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Naval Connection/cars/change of cities/diamond knot

I know I may be a Johnny-come-lately on this subject but hope you will indulge my revisiting the military connection. I have been thinking lately about the length of time he stayed in one location before moving on, his access to cars and the military angle.

He offended in Visalia as far as we know for about 1yr and 8 or 9 months (4/74 -12/75 and maybe into 1/76)

Sacramento environs about 2 years (6/18/76 tp 7-6-78)

Contra Costa County to San Jose 9 months (10/07/78 - 7/10/79)

So would it make sense he was in the military? What branch of the military would use a nautical knot (the Lanyard or Diamond Knot?) Is it normal for someone in the military to have to move from base to base depending on his job in the military at those intervals?

COULD HE HAVE BEEN AT LEMORE "NAVAL" AIR STATION WHILE OFFENDING IN VISALIA.

THERE ARE NAVAL TRANSPORTATION CENTERS IN STOCKTON, PT. MUGU, PT. HUENEME (the last two VERY near VENTURA), ALAMEDA, LEMORE, CAMP PENDLETON AND SEAL BEACH

Then in Sacramento, there is or was a U.S. NAVAL OFFICER RECRUITING OFFICE IN RANCHO CORDOVA. There is also in Sacramento a U.S. Naval and Marine Corps RSV facility of some sort.

(I really am not knowledgeable about the military and if Mather AFB could tie in with a Naval connection.)

IN CONTRA COSTA COUNTY THERE IS A NAVAL WEAPONS STATION IN CONCORD. THERE IS A NAVAL AUXILIARY LANDING FIELD, CROW'S LANDING, MOFFETT FIELD IN SUNNYVALE, NEAR SAN JOSE AND ALSO IN TUSTIN, ORANGE COUNTY.

Next he heads south to Goleta and shows up there 2 months and 3 weeks later.

Goleta H/H attack 10/01/79, and Offerman/Manning 12/30/79 (almost a 3 month gap).

Ventura, the Smiths on 3/13/80 (2 months & 2 weeks later)

THERE IS A NAVAL BASE IN VENTURA -- PT. MUGU

Next down to Orange County--the Harringtons in Laguna Niguel on 8/19/80 (5 mo, 1wk later)

Irvine, Orange County-- Manuela Withuhn on 2/16/81 (6 months later)

Back to Goleta on 7/27/81--Sanchez/Domingo (5 months 1 1/2 weeks later)

Back to Irvine again on 5/04/86--Janelle Cruz (5 years later)

NAVAL WEAPONS STATION, SEAL BEACH, ORANGE COUNTY

Then there was the suspicious Oldsmobile with the sticker with the parachute and the missle entering some military facility in San Diego. Does anyone remember if it was a NAVAL base?

Next about the cars -- I'm trying to think of a connection to EAR/ONS's access to so many cars and how that might fit with a military connection. Could someone in the military have access to military personnell's private vehicles, while they are shipped out?,or in the brig, does the military have a shop to work on military personnell's private vehicles?

Also, it has been reported that he had an erect, military bearing. In Sudden Terror, pg. 111 the victim who's home had been broken into two weeks before she was attacked, who had been receiving hang up calls and was in Reserve training encountered a man in a darkend hallway at the Club at Travis AFB who spoke through lips that barely moved and creeped her out. Then one of the calls she got from EAR/ONS said "I'm going to kill your husband" (I'm noticing he threatened the husband and not her) Then during the attack he said she looked good at the club and asked how he compared to her "captain" husband. I'm noticing his need to compete with the captain.

So, to conclude, could being in the Navy account for his being moved around?, the Lanyard/Diamond knot which has nautical usage, his access to cars.

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Interesting summary.........
while reading it through something hit me- some descriptions of EAR said he had long hair, taking this into account, its possible he was not a marine therefore (assuming he had a naval/military connection) maybe he was other type employee or maybe a dependent of someone in the military .......
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while reading it through something hit me- some descriptions of EAR said he had long hair, taking this into account, its possible he was not a marine therefore (assuming he had a naval/military connection) maybe he was other type employee or maybe a dependent of someone in the military .......
Yes, I agree, I forgot about the hair.
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Posted By: DanCartell
while reading it through something hit me- some descriptions of EAR said he had long hair, taking this into account, its possible he was not a marine therefore (assuming he had a naval/military connection) maybe he was other type employee or maybe a dependent of someone in the military .......
Yes, I agree, I forgot about the hair.
I've been thinking about the hair and recalled something, I knew a man who worked at Vandenberg AFB in Lompoc (north of Santa Barbara). He did not dress in military uniform or have very short hair, that is he didn't have a military hair cut. He worked in the space program. Possibly as you mentioned above EAR/ONS worked in some other capacity. Again, remember the sticker on the suspicious Oldsmobile that had a parachute carrying a missle.
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Re: Naval Connection/cars/change of cities/diamond knot
Government contractor.
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By the way, there were many ways airman and sailors would doctor up their hair to make it look shorter
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Government contractor.
This is something I discussed in depth with my one of my colleagues. He literally could do a number of different jobs the military would contract out....everything from construction to medical could fall under this umbrella.
I've always thought of a military connection in Harrington case. The Harrington crime is his first in OC and off the beaten path from his other OC activities, but their home is just a short drive north via either I-5 or PCH from Camp Pendleton. This, construction, or him being a workplace stalker are the best theories I can come up with of why he'd be in Laguna Niguel.
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Sandia: Very interesting points. You know, I was thinking the other day about EAR/ONS and the possibility that he could be a military man. You see, I used to be one of those people who wrote off this possibility because EAR had long hair. But when I got to thinking about it, I realized that this sort of reasoning was every bit as stupid as those who say that EAR 'must' have been athletic because he outran the cops; all while men like John D'Zilva outrun the cops for days while barefoot despite not being athletic and living off of a diet of funnel web spiders and wildflowers. What if it turns out that EAR/ONS was wearing a wig underneath his ski mask? We might have overlooked the possibility that he was a soldier or a sailor all because of this subtle but clever trick.

I personally feel it is unlikely that EARONS was in the military, but I wouldn't rule it out...
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Non-secretors have more medical problems

I was reminded today that EAR/ONS was a non-secretor and that they suffer more from certain medical problems. I looked this up and decided to post it here for anyone who is interested:

Whether you're a secretor or a non-secretor is completely independent of your blood type, but just as important when it comes to understanding any metabolic dysfunctions and immune susceptibilities. Simply put, a secretor is a person whose body secretes its blood type antigens into its fluids – saliva, mucus, etc. A non-secretor does not. (Approximately 80% of the general population are estimated to be secretors.) And while no one blood type is better than the others, it is thought better to be a secretor than a non-secretor. The ability to secrete blood type antigens into your bodily fluids offers enhanced protection against outside factors such as potentially harmful microorganisms and the lectins from the food you eat. Secretors also have a more accomodating intestinal environment in which beneficial probiotic bacteria can thrive, since blood type can be used as a food source for such bacteria. Non-secretors on the other hand, because their bodies don't infuse their fluids with blood type antigens, have tendencies toward:

• Higher rates of oral disease, including more cavities – and, interestingly, habitual snoring
• Digestive problems, such as inflammation and ulcers
• A more prevalent rate of autoimmune disorders, such as multiple sclerosis

(Note this next one EAR/ONS was known to be a smoker)
• Lungs that are more susceptible to environmental factors and cigarette smoking


• A greater risk of diabetes and heart disease
• A greater risk for recurrent urinary tract and Candida (yeast) infections
• An increased association with alcoholism
• More difficulty breaking down dietary fat and properly metabolizing calcium
• An increased intolerance to carbohydrates

Your “secretor/non-secretor” status, in conjunction with your blood type, also determines the viscosity and clotting time of your blood.

I hope no one but EAR/ONS suffers from these maladies, but Mr. EAR/ONS suffer away!!!!

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Hello, Mrs. Sandia, ma'am.

I found this interesting post from someone named "Mockingbird".... I'll do a copy and paste for you and then link off to the thread in which I found it...


I am a non secretor. So is my mother and so was my Grandfather. He died age 99, and had never taken medicine(it bothered him). We do all react very strongly to meds, perfumes, paint, etc. It's not that we are a death trap, it's just best for us to avoid as many man made toxins, chemicals, and pollution as possible. When we live very naturally, we are in fact, extremely healthy people. Just as we respond quickly to toxins, we also respond very quickly to good diets, foods, etc. It is not true that Non Secretors dies around age 65. That's a ridiculous statement. We learned about all of this because a Dr Perls had my Grandfather in a longevity study. Grandad was driving, gardening, active up until the week of his death(in bed--at home). I am 45 and and in perfect health. My mother is 70 and going strong. If you read further, you will discover that non secretors are immune to many viruses, have a heightened resistance to HIV, and age much better than secretors.
Hope this helps.

And here is the thread I found this post....

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Thanks Aaron
Again, you are amazing at finding things. I posted what I found when I googled non-secretors and found a doctor who made those claims.
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Re: Non-secretors have more medical problems
I think I posted a topic related to this one a few months back. This guy had health problems for sure because of his status. This is what the dogs picked up.
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Raising the Question
As to why LE didn't take the dogs out to Sunrise Mall and let 'em sniff guys legs. Ya never know.
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As to why LE didn't take the dogs out to Sunrise Mall and let 'em sniff guys legs. Ya never know.
That may very well be a good idea. Where is Sunrise Mall???
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Re: Non-secretors have more medical problems

www.sunrisemallonline.com/

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Non-secretors -- XYY
I wonder if they were able to also check for XYY disorder?
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XXY and XYY

California LE would absolutely know if EAR-ONS was XYY or XXY (Klinefelter syndrome.)

Both these conditions occur so infrequently in the population; it's unlikely the EAR was afflicted. It might be worth asking about though---> both conditions, XXY and XYY, certainly can have phenotypic expression SO it is possible that's what the scent dogs were picking up on.

What I mean to say is, in the very unlikely case EAR was afflict his secretions (imo) would be more greatly affected than his being merely a non-secretor. [after all doesn't 10-20% of the population have non-secretor status? that is not in the least unusual, let along rare. imo the dogs were picking up on somethingelse.]

XXY has phenotypic (appearance) expression which sometimes includes breast growth*...sometimes the extra x chromosome isn't expressed (physically.) Wiki and Biology I text books can explain the physical effects ...you can see the pics of typical cases by googling XYY XXY.

The EAR's Y chromosome is a replica of his father's (as there is only a single Y coming from the parental generation.) Needless to say it'll also be found in all males in his paternal lineage.

* Bobby Joe Long was XXY and underwent breast reduction after puberty. He was willing and able to rape/murder many women. iirc he fathered child/childen with his 1st wife. He had (imo) a typical appearance, for a Klinefelter's guy.
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XYY - Arthur J. Shawcross
1/1000 men. It sounds like treatment was developed, but not until late 80's/early 90's. The picture of Arthur Shawcross, on the front of the book The Misbegotten Son, looks perfectly normal. He killed a little boy, a little girl, and eleven prostitutes.
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right, dengas

Shawcross was XYY. and a couple of books came out in the 90s suggesting XYY as a possible 'super male' / more likely to commit crimes condition. That idea's largely been put aside.

Due to the other physical problems caused by XYY (iq et.al.) it doesn't seem to describe the EAR. Either condition would be clearly visible in the EAR's DNA.

Easy enough to clear up, simply ask someone with access to EAR tests. It would be a talked about and known red flag if XXY or XYY were in EAR's profile.
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1/1000 men. It sounds like treatment was developed, but not until late 80's/early 90's. The picture of Arthur Shawcross, on the front of the book The Misbegotten Son, looks perfectly normal. He killed a little boy, a little girl, and eleven prostitutes.
I read 1/1000 men in general but 1/50 men in prison for violent crimes. As far as hermaphrodites, I know it has been brought up and discussed off th board with LE.
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A very common disorder affecting 1 in 1000 male births. The principal effects are development of small testicles and reduced fertility. Usually diagnosed when puberty is delayed. Treated with hormone therapy ie. steriods. Most men with this condition are infertile, however 15% are mosaic XXY/XY and some of them have no fetility issues.
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When a boy is diagnosed with this syndrome many are given testosterone treatment.


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If someone was given an incorrect dose or self medicates it could create a raving monster
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What did they say about it off board?
Not much was said. It was just mentioned in passing, as a possibility, due to the description of the genitalia.
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Did anyone get a really good look at EARONS? The talk is around about homosexual panic, but is it possible he was a hermaphrodite?

If this doesn't get EAR/ONS to post on this board I don't know what will.

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VR is not EAR/ONS according to Officer McGowen

Because of the ongoing discussion regarding if the information on the VR should be included for a new profile of the EAR/ONS I contacted the son of Officer William McGowen and asked him if his father thought the sketch of the VR was accurate and if his father thought any of the sketches of the EAR resembled the VR. Officer McGowen answered me, I have included it here:

"The sketch was produced off my father's description the night he was shot at. Yes he thought it was accurate and he positively identified a suspect and the case was sent to the DA's office for a filing of homicide. According to the reports and records the suspect is deceased now and the suspect he identified walked because the DA at the time said there was not enough evidence to file the case. I dont know if u have ever heard this story but I read the reports. Apparently one of two or both brothers were involved in the prowlings and burglary....I dont think the EARS/ON and ransacker are one in the same."

This was stunning news to me as I was one of those that was convinced the VR was the EAR/ONS.






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Similarities in M.O.

Accordingly, given that the prime VR suspect has been cleared of EAR/ONS crimes, why do current EAR/ONS investigators believe there is a connection between the EAR/ONS and the VR?

There are some obvious similarities in M.O., suspect description, shoe size and timing. The VR was clearly evolving into a rapist (or killer) with his attempt to kidnap Snelling's daughter. Visalia should be considered a 50/50 proposition. It may be linked. It may not be linked. Because McGowen did just about everything to try and identify the person who tried to kill him, I just do not see that case being solved 37 years after the fact with no supporting forensic evidence. I do not think anything was missed in Visalia. There just is not anything definitive in that case. As such, it is a distraction and there will never be a conclusion about Visalia (or the Maggiore murders) until the EAR/ONS is identified. And he won't be found in Visalia.
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what about the girl that was knocked unconcious by the VR prior to the Snelling murder? She stated he felt rather muscular and was very strong.....complete opposite from McGowen's description.
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what about the girl that was knocked unconcious by the VR prior to the Snelling murder? She stated he felt rather muscular and was very strong.....complete opposite from McGowen's description.
TB,

Does not change anything one iota. There are two somewhat disparate descriptions of the VR. it could be two separate individuals. There is one report where a witness saw a person matching the VR's description (chose whichever one you want) running and getting into a car with a second person driving. At this point, it makes no difference. The usual arguments about witness credibility will ensue. Essentially, you have a white male adult, age unknown, height unknown, weight unknown. Anything actual about this suspect will be determined only after he is identified and honestly, I do not see that happening even if the EAR/ONS is identified (if the cases are not linked).
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Arch76 you need to really try and keep the VR & EAR seperate!
If you're constantly trying to deny the two OR put the two together than you're wasting time. I think the best way to keep a clear head on both cases is to investigate both seperately. If they are the same guy OR if they are two different people than the process of elimination will work more smoothly if the two are investigated seperately.
Just because someone on here is talking about the VR doesn't mean they're trying to connect VR AND EAR!
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If you're constantly trying to deny the two OR put the two together than you're wasting time. I think the best way to keep a clear head on both cases is to investigate both seperately. If they are the same guy OR if they are two different people than the process of elimination will work more smoothly if the two are investigated seperately.
Just because someone on here is talking about the VR doesn't mean they're trying to connect VR AND EAR!
TB,

What part of the odds of VR being linked are 50/50 do you not understand? It is neither linking the cases or denying a link. I just said that the cases should be investigated separately.
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Lol and confused.

Larry Pool says there were some footage and pictures taken of the del dayo town hall meeting, the one it is believed he targeted the outspoken husband and wife. You say there is none, I'm puzzled.
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Santa Ana Hospital

The locals I have talked to (museum, dispatch, salvage yard) all old Santa Ana Citizens.....say the Santa Ana "Community" Hospital located at 600 East Washington Street was operating up to and possibly beyond 1990. Dispatch said he was working out of there in 1990. Museum said his children were born there in the 70's. Salvage said he dropped off an employee for drug overdose in the early 90's. Well, for whatever it's worth.....the locals say Santa Ana Hospital did exist and continued to be called such up until the time it vacated. The property at 600 East Washington Street is now a historical landmark occupied by the French Park Care Facility.

The Santa Ana "Acute Care" Facility did not open until around 1980....SOE is right about that.

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dengas, ma'am, thank you for your speedy and informative contribution. Thanks to you we now know that this person was someone who most likely had no job and no one to account for his activities in 1975. The killer went over to the Snelling residence at 6:30 pm, shut off their air conditioning and came back to slip inside the home at around 2:00 am. Later that morning he heads on over the Mt. Whitney to write that stupid message. This was definitely not some teenage kid who was going to school or an adult with a job. This was somebody like your suspect who was living the 'good life' - no responsibilities.
That theory hinges upon not only upon him having a financial/living support system, but also having one that wouldn't turn him in. He would have had no problem committing hot prowl burglaries Mon-Thurs had he wanted to, and actually did on a couple of occasions.
BTW....to disable the Snelling air conditioner he would have had to climb up on the roof and either break it or drain out the freeon all while Beth, her boyfriend, and her brother were home. This was probably coincidental....but if he were out prowling and saw all of the windows open he might have decided to make his move that night under the pretense of unlocked/opened windows would allow him easy entry. The time frame is right for when he would be out prowling, albeit on an off night.
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Ear/ons was known to travel from rooftop to rooftop according to Sudden Terror.
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dengas, ma'am, thank you for your speedy and informative contribution. Thanks to you we now know that this person was someone who most likely had no job and no one to account for his activities in 1975. The killer went over to the Snelling residence at 6:30 pm, shut off their air conditioning and came back to slip inside the home at around 2:00 am. Later that morning he heads on over the Mt. Whitney to write that stupid message. This was definitely not some teenage kid who was going to school or an adult with a job. This was somebody like your suspect who was living the 'good life' - no responsibilities.
That theory hinges upon not only upon him having a financial/living support system, but also having one that wouldn't turn him in. He would have had no problem committing hot prowl burglaries Mon-Thurs had he wanted to, and actually did on a couple of occasions.
BTW....to disable the Snelling air conditioner he would have had to climb up on the roof and either break it or drain out the freeon all while Beth, her boyfriend, and her brother were home. This was probably coincidental....but if he were out prowling and saw all of the windows open he might have decided to make his move that night under the pretense of unlocked/opened windows would allow him easy entry. The time frame is right for when he would be out prowling, albeit on an off night.
My thinking is that since he usually did his prowlings on the weekends, he probably did have a job or he was in the military. Because he offended mid week once in a while doesn't alter my thoughts on that. I have a couple of questions for those who know. Can't you disable an air conditioner by unplugging it somewhere? or possibly removing a fuse to it? or blocking a vent causing it to malfunction or some such way that the Snellings might not have noticed right away? Also, about the military angle, I have absolutely no knowledge of the military and how it works and how days off are arranged. Can anyone shed light on that?
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What's to say he wasn't on the Snelling's roof? The screen from the Snelling house window was later found on top of a neighbor's travel trailer. How did he get it there...without being heard? Did he toss it up, did the trailer have an atttached ladder, or did he borrow a ladder? I am pretty certain that the screen was still intact when the Snellings locked up and went to bed, otherwise wouldn't Mrs. Snelling have noticed it when she came home? She put her purse on the kitchen counter, and the carport is next to the back door where the VR gained entrance, so I would assume she came in via the back door leading to the kitchen.
Did I read that EAR/ONS unplugged appliances that made noise?
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What's to say he wasn't on the Snelling's roof? The screen from the Snelling house window was later found on top of a neighbor's travel trailer. How did he get it there...without being heard? Did he toss it up, did the trailer have an atttached ladder, or did he borrow a ladder? I am pretty certain that the screen was still intact when the Snellings locked up and went to bed, otherwise wouldn't Mrs. Snelling have noticed it when she came home? She put her purse on the kitchen counter, and the carport is next to the back door where the VR gained entrance, so I would assume she came in via the back door leading to the kitchen.
Did I read that EAR/ONS unplugged appliances that made noise?
If he had disabled the AC it would be in a police report somewhere. They had to have that AC fixed eventually and if it had been tampered with the repairman would have said something if it hadn't stopped working on its own accord.
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What's to say he wasn't on the Snelling's roof? The screen from the Snelling house window was later found on top of a neighbor's travel trailer. How did he get it there...without being heard? Did he toss it up, did the trailer have an atttached ladder, or did he borrow a ladder? I am pretty certain that the screen was still intact when the Snellings locked up and went to bed, otherwise wouldn't Mrs. Snelling have noticed it when she came home? She put her purse on the kitchen counter, and the carport is next to the back door where the VR gained entrance, so I would assume she came in via the back door leading to the kitchen.
Did I read that EAR/ONS unplugged appliances that made noise?
If he had disabled the AC it would be in a police report somewhere. They had to have that AC fixed eventually and if it had been tampered with the repairman would have said something if it hadn't stopped working on its own accord.
Great point ZForce. Do you know one way or the other if it was in a police report or not? Some of the dropping of the ball by LE though makes me wonder if this fact would have made it to a report especially if the tampering had been noticed by a repairman some days or weeks later after the initial report was made. I wonder if the family stayed in the house after Professor Snelling was murdered. Some EAR victims never set foot in their homes again after being raped and nobody had been murdered, so I wonder if the a/c problem was even noticed for some good long time.
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What's to say he wasn't on the Snelling's roof? The screen from the Snelling house window was later found on top of a neighbor's travel trailer. How did he get it there...without being heard? Did he toss it up, did the trailer have an atttached ladder, or did he borrow a ladder? I am pretty certain that the screen was still intact when the Snellings locked up and went to bed, otherwise wouldn't Mrs. Snelling have noticed it when she came home? She put her purse on the kitchen counter, and the carport is next to the back door where the VR gained entrance, so I would assume she came in via the back door leading to the kitchen.
Did I read that EAR/ONS unplugged appliances that made noise?
If he had disabled the AC it would be in a police report somewhere. They had to have that AC fixed eventually and if it had been tampered with the repairman would have said something if it hadn't stopped working on its own accord.
Great point ZForce. Do you know one way or the other if it was in a police report or not? Some of the dropping of the ball by LE though makes me wonder if this fact would have made it to a report especially if the tampering had been noticed by a repairman some days or weeks later after the initial report was made. I wonder if the family stayed in the house after Professor Snelling was murdered. Some EAR victims never set foot in their homes again after being raped and nobody had been murdered, so I wonder if the a/c problem was even noticed for some good long time.
As far as I know, the Snelling's continued living in the home. The fact that it was noted that the AC broke in the first place leads me to believe that there would have been some interest in if it had been tampered with. If it had been VR he would have been up there doing it in the early evening with three people inside the house and neighbors awake....it just doesnt seem likely considering that it wouldnt be a quiet job. And really, whether he did or didn't doesn't change the outcome of the case or people's perceptions of him to any high degree.
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The quickest way to disable the AC from the outside is to find the fuse box and flip the fuse. Of course, its usually the first thing people go outside and check. IF he was disabling it from the roof, it just adds to this guy's knowledge of the building trades - window screens, window locks, door locks, roofs, sliding glass doors, fence latches, AC, general layout of houses, etc. Makes me think of a construction worker. Plus, when you work construction, you generally can wear any damn clothing you want and the hours you work would fit his pattern of crimes. Mid week hits could be due to being between jobs.
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I still think this guy didn't have a job and that no one knew him. A good looking young blonde guy in athletic to muscular shape who happens to have a micro-penis and who is out of the house all hours of the night, who has access to cars, and guns, batons, knives, has an affinity for stamp collections, can't maintain an erection, as well as whatever other unknown issues (probably numerous) ....... We're talking red flag city! SOMEONE would have fingered him if anyone knew him.
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I still think this guy didn't have a job and that no one knew him. A good looking young blonde guy in athletic to muscular shape who happens to have a micro-penis and who is out of the house all hours of the night, who has access to cars, and guns, batons, knives, has an affinity for stamp collections, can't maintain an erection, as well as whatever other unknown issues (probably numerous) ....... We're talking red flag city! SOMEONE would have fingered him if anyone knew him.
If you look at the new thread posted regarding victim #11 you'll notice that it occurs in 1/77. That means that in 7 months he had only attacked on 11 occasions. That's a very miniscule portion of that time frame, which would thus leave a lot of time for a guy to be doing nothing. This guy had a life besides EAR....the rapes themselves were a very small part of it.
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I'm almost willing to believe that any time he spent not attacking was spent peeping/prowling/setting up future attacks.

Maybe he ate and slept a little in there somewhere, but only the bare minimum of what is humanly necessary.

I'll bet he got off on plotting/recon-ing his attacks even more than the real deal: where it often seemed like he was just getting though it based upon the script.
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Santa Barbara Detectives
I was informed this morning that Santa Barbara is reopening the O/M and D/S cases. There will be two detectives assigned exclusively to these cases. This is huge. I have to say the stars are all lining up. Many things are happening in this case. To all who are making this possible thank you. More later. G

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Aaron, yes everything has been turned over. I have researched this for 15 years now with findings prior to Manning/Offerman extending to this very day. The evidence is in the best hands who've the power to make a difference. The Santa Barbara authority are under control of a bigger force that disables them. There are those involved within the sheriffs dept. who have a conscious and will eventually tell all they know.
Caseprofiler, The perpetrators have used the Orange County MO as cover for themselves. These people are on the inside and have that information, as all sheriffs have access to records. Many of these people are ex-sheriffs at this time, as is Sneddon an ex-DA. But they've left a paper trail a mile long and will be 'found out'.Halogen, The China Town issue is directly connected. Many of those players left family within the infrastructure of SB and San Luis County. Though the game rules for greed and monetary gain and faces have changed the name of the game remains the same; laundering and embezzling drug money, diamond smuggling profits through private trusts and land sales is now the MO. There will soon be information coming out through the media. I also believe another movie such as "China Town" will be produced. I hope this time the real names of these families are used to stop future generations from getting by with such autrocities again.Oh how I would enjoy writing a long list of the names, connecting them to China Town. But, I must wait until the time is right. Hopefully by June of this year you will hear something. I have already completed the preliminary filming of a documentary.In your spare time take the real names implied in China Town and the positions they held. Map them to their families and those holding those offices from that time forward. They are all connected first to maintain water rights for development (as you must have water for people to come), are on the inside of the politics; planning commissioners, DA's, Superior Court Judges (Cook St. in Santa Maria) and city boards dealing with annexation of Ag Preserves lands particularly those held in private trusts. The sales are made undisclosed whilst disclosed sales are occurring at a much lesser value. When these land owers are murdered the courts take not only the land, but other assets as well. Stock portfolios disappear, deeds are fraudulently signed...........wills are hidden and destroyed or altered to suit themselves. The corruption is deeply engrained in these powerful people.........and they know they can get by with murder. There are more names of victims I do not see here. So I should offer a few. Giovanni Shoeman, Kimberly Roberts, and Errin Berkowitz. As you research these names listen carefully, and the documentation will speak to you of the truths hidden between the lines............
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Aaron, yes everything has been turned over. I have researched this for 15 years now with findings prior to Manning/Offerman extending to this very day. The evidence is in the best hands who've the power to make a difference. The Santa Barbara authority are under control of a bigger force that disables them. There are those involved within the sheriffs dept. who have a conscious and will eventually tell all they know.
Caseprofiler, The perpetrators have used the Orange County MO as cover for themselves. These people are on the inside and have that information, as all sheriffs have access to records. Many of these people are ex-sheriffs at this time, as is Sneddon an ex-DA. But they've left a paper trail a mile long and will be 'found out'.Halogen, The China Town issue is directly connected. Many of those players left family within the infrastructure of SB and San Luis County. Though the game rules for greed and monetary gain and faces have changed the name of the game remains the same; laundering and embezzling drug money, diamond smuggling profits through private trusts and land sales is now the MO. There will soon be information coming out through the media. I also believe another movie such as "China Town" will be produced. I hope this time the real names of these families are used to stop future generations from getting by with such autrocities again.Oh how I would enjoy writing a long list of the names, connecting them to China Town. But, I must wait until the time is right. Hopefully by June of this year you will hear something. I have already completed the preliminary filming of a documentary.In your spare time take the real names implied in China Town and the positions they held. Map them to their families and those holding those offices from that time forward. They are all connected first to maintain water rights for development (as you must have water for people to come), are on the inside of the politics; planning commissioners, DA's, Superior Court Judges (Cook St. in Santa Maria) and city boards dealing with annexation of Ag Preserves lands particularly those held in private trusts. The sales are made undisclosed whilst disclosed sales are occurring at a much lesser value. When these land owers are murdered the courts take not only the land, but other assets as well. Stock portfolios disappear, deeds are fraudulently signed...........wills are hidden and destroyed or altered to suit themselves. The corruption is deeply engrained in these powerful people.........and they know they can get by with murder. There are more names of victims I do not see here. So I should offer a few. Giovanni Shoeman, Kimberly Roberts, and Errin Berkowitz. As you research these names listen carefully, and the documentation will speak to you of the truths hidden between the lines............
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Mrs. shewhowatches said the following:

Aaron, yes everything has been turned over. I have researched this for 15 years now with findings prior to Manning/Offerman extending to this very day. The evidence is in the best hands who've the power to make a difference. The Santa Barbara authority are under control of a bigger force that disables them. There are those involved within the sheriffs dept. who have a conscious and will eventually tell all they know.


If Dr. Robert Offerman and Mrs. Alexandria Manning were NOT killed by Mr. EAR-ONS....
and you can prove it... I mean, ACTUALLY PROVE IT... NOT WITH JUST THEORIES...

Well... that would be a huge asset to this case.... what was once thought to be a crime
committed by one man will no longer be associated with his crime spree......
and.... 2 unsolved murders will now FINALLY have a face(s) to go with the
crimes..... maybe.... a hitman? an ex-cop-turned-hitman? mafia???

One of the great unsung heroes of all time was this gentleman named Gary Caradori.
Don't know if you ever heard of this fella... but if you've gotten hold of something
big... something that will threaten very powerful people....... just you be careful
they don't whack you out like they did Mr. Caradori, Mrs. shewhowatches.

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Mrs. shewhowatches wrote the following:

Halogen, The China Town issue is directly connected. Many of those players left family within the infrastructure of SB and San Luis County. Though the game rules for greed and monetary gain and faces have changed the name of the game remains the same; laundering and embezzling drug money, diamond smuggling profits through private trusts and land sales is now the MO. There will soon be information coming out through the media. I also believe another movie such as "China Town" will be produced. I hope this time the real names of these families are used to stop future generations from getting by with such autrocities again.Oh how I would enjoy writing a long list of the names, connecting them to China Town. But, I must wait until the time is right. Hopefully by June of this year you will hear something. I have already completed the preliminary filming of a documentary.In your spare time take the real names implied in China Town and the positions they held. Map them to their families and those holding those offices from that time forward. They are all connected first to maintain water rights for development (as you must have water for people to come), are on the inside of the politics; planning commissioners, DA's, Superior Court Judges (Cook St. in Santa Maria) and city boards dealing with annexation of Ag Preserves lands particularly those held in private trusts. The sales are made undisclosed whilst disclosed sales are occurring at a much lesser value. When these land owers are murdered the courts take not only the land, but other assets as well. Stock portfolios disappear, deeds are fraudulently signed...........wills are hidden and destroyed or altered to suit themselves. The corruption is deeply engrained in these powerful people.........and they know they can get by with murder. There are more names of victims I do not see here. So I should offer a few. Giovanni Shoeman, Kimberly Roberts, and Errin Berkowitz. As you research these names listen carefully, and the documentation will speak to you of the truths hidden between the lines............


Mrs. shewhowatches... ma'am, I had no idea you were a filmmaker... you ever
done anything I would have seen? What will the name of your documentary
be, ma'am? and when will you be releasing it?

I love Documentaries..... the 1994 film CRUMB is one of my all-time favorite
movies....

In regards to your above post... long story short.... just so we can distill this thing
down to its simplest form..............

The late Doctor Robert Offerman and the late Mrs. Alexandria Manning and
the late Mr. Gregory Sanchez and the late Mrs. Cheri Domingo.........

.... all of them were whacked out for.............................

.... their land?? their property?

Their murders had nothing to do with Mr. EAR-ONS??

That it? I mean, is that REALLY it?

Your research...... it proves this point, ma'am??? Conclusively proves this
point, does it?

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By the way, Mrs. shewhowatches, ma'am........ I love Roman
Polanski's CHINATOWN..... but, ma'am...... if I were you..... I wouldn't go
around saying what you uncovered parallels that movie if I were you........

I mean, you may see yourself as a "J.J. Gittes".... but actually.... you're the
"Hollis Mulwray" of this whole situation...

And if you've seen CHINATOWN, you know what happens to "Hollis Mulwray"...

If the Offerman/Manning and Domingo/Sanchez cases have NOTHING to do
with a serial killer but everything to do with these evil Noah Cross types..... be
careful, ma'am...

"...most people never have to face the fact that at the right time... and the right
place..... they're capable of.... anything."

- Noah Cross
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Just Find The Girl, Mr. Gittes

A certain someone wrote me a Private Message about 20 or so minutes ago and
picked up on what THEY believed to be sarcasm in my above posts...

If the references to CHINATOWN were interpreted as sarcasm...... the only
thing I have to say to that.............. is this......

I never brought up CHINATOWN.... I never compared what happened or what
may have happened way back when in Santa Barbara with Mr. Roman Polanski's
very awesome movie CHINATOWN.....

Until........

2 posters, independent of me, brought it up first.......

All I did was CONTINUE the conversation as it had already been brought up as a
CORRELATIVE to real life events..... to alleged real life events, I should say....

And that's it....

Oh.. and my telling Mrs. shewhowatches she ought to watch her back........

I meant that 100% from the heart...

I went out of my way to point out that she is getting involved in dangerous waters....
and she ought to be careful.... something I'm sure she is already fully aware of and
doesn't need to be told, but, hell, man, I didn't think it would hurt to reiterate this
point....

I can understand my reference to THE FRANKLIN SCANDAL being lost on some of the
people here.... I am sure not everyone has heard of Lawrence E. King.... Boys Town....
Johnny Gosch.... Noreen Gosch..... Gary Caradori......... Rusty Nelson... and especially
the dark secrets of BOHEMIAN GROVE as told by Paul Bonacci......

If you knew about THE FRANKLIN SCANDAL... and saw that I was referencing THAT
incident as a correlation with THIS incident............ then I hardly think the conclusion
one should reach is that I was being...........................................SARCASTIC.

History can teach us a lot............. all you need do is OPEN YOUR EYES and be
aware.... if you are willing to be aware, that is....

All I did was leverage my knowledge of THE FRANKLIN SCANDAL and the
movie, CHINATOWN, to help Mrs. shewhowatches see things in a certain light...

Just tried to help is all...

FADE TO BLACK.....
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Danny De Vito, Jack Palance, and Diff'rent Strokes

I don't care how whacked a theory is... if it can be grounded into something that can
be worked with... I'm all ears, man...

I don't care if someone comes to me and says they think Danny DeVito is good for
the Santa Barbara crimes just so long as they got a reasonable amount of evidence
and theory to make a convincing point....

I am sure Mr. Danny DeVito would never kill anyone.... only in the movies... and
never in real life.... but you'd be surprised how messed up things can get...

Years ago................. I read this story about this fella who was working in a
video store in Las Vegas... a woman came in to rob the joint.... and when she
left, the video store clerk called 911 and he goes,

"I've just been robbed by the girl who played Kimberly on 'Diff'rent Strokes'."

And you know what? It was the girl who played Kimberly on "Diff'rent Strokes"!!!!!!

You see, man? Do you see? How messed up is that??? Life is strange...

If Santa Barbara is a real life CHINATOWN...... fine............ but remember.....
like Mr. Jack Palance says in SHANE -

"Prove it."

Aaron
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Truth Is Always Stranger Than Fiction ...
The perps did not write this as a script. If the answer were clear, it would be solved by now.
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I am disappointed by this crappy money, land deal theory ...

I am disappointed in this crappy land deal, trust, money laundering, property management theory. The genius that decided to delve into murder for land, and drug shipments that require remote ocean front property, would have left LOTS of paperwork, and a long trail. It seems that diligent LE work, victims all the way into 2010 where the motive was obviously financial will be the end of his successful crime spree. The land and trusts aspect as well as a financial property management company make logical sense. Have you tried to buy gold lately, can you even obtain it, how much did it go up? Is he going to buy more diamonds than De Beers? How else is he going to get away with that much cash from the stolen arms, etc.

We know from the murders it is not Iran Contra, we know he hates the mob. There are friends of family members that have reported witness intimidation from Hispanic gentlemen involved in the drug trade. It make sense logically. I have seen the documentation and there will be many guilty parties. It is a less than thrilling theory for me, and a disappointment to "The Hunt" for EAR/ONS.

I am really upset that one of them moved to Newport News in Virginia taking away precious lives, and destrying families.
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Sandia,

That's a load. There you go with your weasel words again. You have no one specific in mind when you refer to "other posters," and you will not be able to name them because they don't exist—which you'll conceal by claiming you're not willing to name them. Using the semblance of integrity to cloak what you know is an untruth. You have an unctuous sanctimoniousness about you, you're dishonest, and you're not very bright. Your cliché-filled ("scared little man"), awkward ("rabid wolf"), child-like writing style makes me cringe. Whenever you engage me directly, I am left with that lovely feeling of being condescended to by an idiot.

dengas,

I think 222urit is being sincere, and I think R. Whitmeyer is confused (which is to say, I don't think the man would deliberately talk out of his starfish, but who knows). I don't think what he stated is true. And that wouldn't be the first time.
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SOE
I am begining to think that maybe RW was just exaggerating a bit, similar to what happened to me with Cody W. (VISALIA PD). I think they say what they think we want to hear. In my case, Cody and I agreed on a POI. The only problem is that I can't imagine why RW would think that 222 would want to think fingerprints were a match to EAR/ONS.
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I have to say I have read all of 222 posts and they are erratic, meaning even the brightest and most respected people stretch things at times, and a little confusing. But I am not one to judge. This is the human element in all cases. If you look hard enough you can blend things to your vision. Sometimes you need to step back, remove your spectacles, and take a fresh look. The key to this case lies in the first few attacks, the 81-86 gap, sightings activities in the first 10-20 attacks and other anomalies. In the beginning not even the perpetrator would have believed it would last this long. Mistakes were made before you had to worry about making mistakes. They just need to be discovered. For that we need access to case files and all of the info available. These mementos and trophies are out there somewhere. But unless people know about it, they wouldn't relate it to a murder/rape investigation.
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Just Guessing
I'm guessing that as soon as EARONS found out about DNA the lockbox or storage unit or whatever he kept his "mementos" in went in a dumpster. Careful as this guy was keeping anything incriminating this long would really be a surprise.
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I agree wholeheartedly with your statement, "...unless people know about it, they wouldn't relate...", but what would be the best way to get the word out? Those who remember, or can relate, are entering their twighlight years, and I would venture to guess that Cold Case T.V. programs aren't among their most watched. We need research marketers to tell us how to get to that particular age group. My guess would be through NEWS. I watch the news every evening around 6:00, and there certain was no mention of the Goleta DNA match (here in the San Joaquin Valley). When RW put an article in the Visalia Times, it WASN'T ON THE evening news. Oprah...has she ever been contacted? Also, Sudden Terror hit just a small segment of society; those of us who know about VR/EAR/ONS. What do you think...maybe 500 copies sold?
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I am begining to think that maybe RW was just exaggerating a bit, similar to what happened to me with Cody W. (VISALIA PD). I think they say what they think we want to hear. In my case, Cody and I agreed on a POI. The only problem is that I can't imagine why RW would think that 222 would want to think fingerprints were a match to EAR/ONS.

Since there are numerous examples of 222 misremembering, misstating, and misunderstanding various facts when retelling what she feels has happened in her life isn't it possible that she is wrong about what RW said as well? I do not doubt her sincerity. Her story unfortunately is full of holes. I am not trying to be mean. The reality is that nothing she says really makes much sense. Therefore when she says that RW said that the fingerprints match the EAR...I have to consider the source. If this is rude I apologize. Seriously dengas how can you say that there is no reason for you to not believe her? Seriously?
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I'll bet the guy still has the stash, lives alone or with elderly parent, and doesn't have the need/desire to go through his artifacts. They're in boxes in his very organized, but very full, garage. We talk about whether he comes to this site and reads/gets off on our postings; I've always been somewhat paranoid just thinking about that possibility. But, a part of me thinks that he may not have any interest in technology at all.
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Sandia,

That's a load. There you go with your weasel words again. You have no one specific in mind when you refer to "other posters," and you will not be able to name them because they don't exist—which you'll conceal by claiming you're not willing to name them. Using the semblance of integrity to cloak what you know is an untruth. You have an unctuous sanctimoniousness about you, you're dishonest, and you're not very bright. Your cliché-filled ("scared little man"), awkward ("rabid wolf"), child-like writing style makes me cringe. Whenever you engage me directly, I am left with that lovely feeling of being condescended to by an idiot.

dengas,

I think 222urit is being sincere, and I think R. Whitmeyer is confused (which is to say, I don't think the man would deliberately talk out of his starfish, but who knows). I don't think what he stated is true. And that wouldn't be the first time.
To answer your first point, one example is what dengas just got through mentioning that 222urit doesn't want to post here anymore. I have caught you in three lies in the past on this board and you know it, so you're claim to being brutally honest is what is "a load". I am an honest person and do have integrity, the only thing I'm not happy about is lowering myself to argue with you. You can call me stupid if you want but I will not brag to defend myself, so I'll let you have the last word on that. I will "try" to ignore you, in spite of all the baiting you do. I have one question: What is the matter with you!!! I have one piece of advice that I will steal from Dan Cartell's motto on his page: "Don't get bitter, get better" I really hope you do get better.
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Posted By: dengas
I am begining to think that maybe RW was just exaggerating a bit, similar to what happened to me with Cody W. (VISALIA PD). I think they say what they think we want to hear. In my case, Cody and I agreed on a POI. The only problem is that I can't imagine why RW would think that 222 would want to think fingerprints were a match to EAR/ONS.

Since there are numerous examples of 222 misremembering, misstating, and misunderstanding various facts when retelling what she feels has happened in her life isn't it possible that she is wrong about what RW said as well? I do not doubt her sincerity. Her story unfortunately is full of holes. I am not trying to be mean. The reality is that nothing she says really makes much sense. Therefore when she says that RW said that the fingerprints match the EAR...I have to consider the source. If this is rude I apologize. Seriously dengas how can you say that there is no reason for you to not believe her? Seriously?
I find it hard not to believe her because I have met personally with her. I have to say that it was hard to keep what she was saying in chronological order -- to be sure. Do you remember when another poster put an ad in the Valley Voice, asking for information on the VR? I introduced the two, and they are now communicating via email. 222 is president of one of our more prestigious (that sounds so stereotypical) clubs in Visalia, and hob-nobs with the "elite" group. I can't imagine why she would make any of this up. I do think she, and I as well, have a hard time writing our thoughts. I've asked her to put together a time-line, but she ended up with a severe case of hives. She worries that the VR is alive, well, and still in Visalia.
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Meeting with 222
If Portofleith, Sandia, Guessting, or Archangel ever want to meet 222, I am sure it can be arranged. I felt more confident with the board after meeting with Lateforlunch, NightDriver, and Archangel.
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Sandia,

That's a load. There you go with your weasel words again. You have no one specific in mind when you refer to "other posters," and you will not be able to name them because they don't exist—which you'll conceal by claiming you're not willing to name them. Using the semblance of integrity to cloak what you know is an untruth. You have an unctuous sanctimoniousness about you, you're dishonest, and you're not very bright. Your cliché-filled ("scared little man"), awkward ("rabid wolf"), child-like writing style makes me cringe. Whenever you engage me directly, I am left with that lovely feeling of being condescended to by an idiot.

dengas,

I think 222urit is being sincere, and I think R. Whitmeyer is confused (which is to say, I don't think the man would deliberately talk out of his starfish, but who knows). I don't think what he stated is true. And that wouldn't be the first time.
To answer your first point, one example is what dengas just got through mentioning that 222urit doesn't want to post here anymore. I have caught you in three lies in the past on this board and you know it, so you're claim to being brutally honest is what is "a load". I am an honest person and do have integrity, the only thing I'm not happy about is lowering myself to argue with you. You can call me stupid if you want but I will not brag to defend myself, so I'll let you have the last word on that. I will "try" to ignore you, in spite of all the baiting you do. I have one question: What is the matter with you!!! I have one piece of advice that I will steal from Dan Cartell's motto on his page: "Don't get bitter, get better" I really hope you do get better.
222urit and I were interacting via private message, civilly and soulfully, before her apparent decision to stop posting publicly—so, it seems to have had nothing to do with me. We're on good terms. Insofar as my "lies," I find it amusing (and slightly creepy) that you appear to be keeping count. I can only recall one accusation of dishonesty on your part, which was a mutual misunderstanding (over an edited post) that I rectified via private message. I guess you didn't buy it. Insofar as whatsamatta with me, I have low tolerance for the likes of you. I admit that this is a shortcoming. But, we all have them. C'est la vie, excusez-moi, and au revoir.
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And I thank you, SOE, for your interacting with her via PM. I remember that when I first started posting here, I worried that VR would identify me. I am sure that 222 felt/feels the same way. She has a very busy-successful professional life, and that, too, keeps her from posting. She simply doesn't have the time. By the way...she has the REAL ESTATE CONNECTION that goes back to the early 70s. I remember taking a real estate course that was offered in the K-Mart complex -- west side of the building, for those who are Visalians. Maybe the VR took the courses there as well.
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I am begining to think that maybe RW was just exaggerating a bit, similar to what happened to me with Cody W. (VISALIA PD). I think they say what they think we want to hear. In my case, Cody and I agreed on a POI. The only problem is that I can't imagine why RW would think that 222 would want to think fingerprints were a match to EAR/ONS.

Since there are numerous examples of 222 misremembering, misstating, and misunderstanding various facts when retelling what she feels has happened in her life isn't it possible that she is wrong about what RW said as well? I do not doubt her sincerity. Her story unfortunately is full of holes. I am not trying to be mean. The reality is that nothing she says really makes much sense. Therefore when she says that RW said that the fingerprints match the EAR...I have to consider the source. If this is rude I apologize. Seriously dengas how can you say that there is no reason for you to not believe her? Seriously?
I find it hard not to believe her because I have met personally with her. I have to say that it was hard to keep what she was saying in chronological order -- to be sure. Do you remember when another poster put an ad in the Valley Voice, asking for information on the VR? I introduced the two, and they are now communicating via email. 222 is president of one of our more prestigious (that sounds so stereotypical) clubs in Visalia, and hob-nobs with the "elite" group. I can't imagine why she would make any of this up. I do think she, and I as well, have a hard time writing our thoughts. I've asked her to put together a time-line, but she ended up with a severe case of hives. She worries that the VR is alive, well, and still in Visalia.
Just because 222Urit believes that someone said something to her does not mean that they did. I think she likely misunderstood what RW said to her. Just like she misunderstood why her light bulbs were being unscrewed, or why some guy was acting strange at the grocery store. RW may of said to her, "did the Police tell you that the fingerprints from your break in matched the EAR?" And she could of taken this as a statement of fact rather than a question. dengas, you do not have a hard time writing your thoughts because your thoughts make sense. Her thoughts do not make any sense which is why she can not express them in a logical way. She has contradicted herself several times and I do not see how anyone could take her word for anything. I do not doubt that she is in fear and that is why I sincerely hope that she goes to see someone that can help her process everything that she has experienced. I do not think she is crazy, just a little paranoid which is not a crime. She just needs to get a little perspective.
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' "did the Police tell you that the fingerprints from your break in matched the EAR?" And she could of taken this as a statement of fact rather than a question." ' Good point. Goes to show how important punctuation/intonation are in communication.
Portofleith, I used to think that you had a direct line to RW. If he is still around, maybe you could clear this up with him for us, once and for all. I asked this once before...how long did LE know that Goleta was a match before that information became public? Days...months...
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i personally believe they are the same but unless they came up with 100% proof like a matching finger print or dna you cant say for sure.Well if they are investigating VR and EAR as the same and their not well that could cause problems finding EAR and a waste of allot of time and money.Who knows what they are investigating.
All DNA does is determine probability. Much like a serial crime statitician does. Anyone who doesnt believe they're one and the same can always hire one to review the evidence and determine the probability of there being more than one offender.
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Does anyone know for certain?
I asked this once before...how long did LE know that Goleta was a match before that information became public? Days...months...
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Sandia,

That's a load. There you go with your weasel words again. You have no one specific in mind when you refer to "other posters," and you will not be able to name them because they don't exist—which you'll conceal by claiming you're not willing to name them. Using the semblance of integrity to cloak what you know is an untruth. You have an unctuous sanctimoniousness about you, you're dishonest, and you're not very bright. Your cliché-filled ("scared little man"), awkward ("rabid wolf"), child-like writing style makes me cringe. Whenever you engage me directly, I am left with that lovely feeling of being condescended to by an idiot.

dengas,

I think 222urit is being sincere, and I think R. Whitmeyer is confused (which is to say, I don't think the man would deliberately talk out of his starfish, but who knows). I don't think what he stated is true. And that wouldn't be the first time.
To answer your first point, one example is what dengas just got through mentioning that 222urit doesn't want to post here anymore. I have caught you in three lies in the past on this board and you know it, so you're claim to being brutally honest is what is "a load". I am an honest person and do have integrity, the only thing I'm not happy about is lowering myself to argue with you. You can call me stupid if you want but I will not brag to defend myself, so I'll let you have the last word on that. I will "try" to ignore you, in spite of all the baiting you do. I have one question: What is the matter with you!!! I have one piece of advice that I will steal from Dan Cartell's motto on his page: "Don't get bitter, get better" I really hope you do get better.
222urit and I were interacting via private message, civilly and soulfully, before her apparent decision to stop posting publicly—so, it seems to have had nothing to do with me. We're on good terms. Insofar as my "lies," I find it amusing (and slightly creepy) that you appear to be keeping count. I can only recall one accusation of dishonesty on your part, which was a mutual misunderstanding (over an edited post) that I rectified via private message. I guess you didn't buy it. Insofar as whatsamatta with me, I have low tolerance for the likes of you. I admit that this is a shortcoming. But, we all have them. C'est la vie, excusez-moi, and au revoir.
I have to say this sh it is getting old.Soe,you contribute so much to this board and then just like that your 15 again.You sound like a couple of school girls.End the bickering.You talk about zero tolerence, well i dont know anyone that wants to read this crap ever especially on here.Your shortcomingings would get you allot of blackeyes where i come from but i guess your safe behind your computer.End the B.S and move on.have a nice day
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Closing out 2010...What have we learned?

I'm asking anyone, and everyone, what new clues have surfaced this past year. The book released hasn't had the results everyone expected. I believe there are unknown victims out there, who didn't come forward at the time. All that's needed is that one break. Plus, I think LE needs to comb through the first murder.

That first killing has significant information. I believe that one of the victims knew EAR/ONS, or, guessed who he was; thereby sealing their fate. There HAS to be a common factor EAR/ONS used in selecting his victims. No serial killer as well organized as EAR/ONS could have committed these crimes without careful, well thought out planning; including picking which person to target. The key to his identity may lie in the memories of neighbors, friends, relatives, and aquaintances.

The trail is not only cold, it's twisted and broken. So many leads were never followed due to the lack of funds, or, were discarded as unlikely possibilities. Investigators triage leads, like medics during a crisis situation. They pick the most likely possibilities and follow them. I'm not saying they weren't doing their best. Just stating their ways of following leads were clouded at the time by all the pressure they were under. It was,( and still is ), a big news media case.

Everyone feel free to voice their newly found information, and opinions here. I'd very much like to hear your ideas, and information to help close this case in 2011.



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Excellent Analysis
One thing everybody should take away from the EAR story is that a smart, well organized criminal has a lot of advantages in a civilized and fundamentally law abiding society. And that people can do a lot more than they usually do to protect themselves from that very small percentage of sick individuals who will take advantage of our good will. And that giving law enforcement wider latitude doesn't always work either.
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Nicely Done

Thanks setrepeoh. You have put it nicely. I thank you for that I am hopeful that there will be resolution. I pray it will be this year. Guessting
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Resolution 2011? I will pay with you. I just took a look at my years of involvement...1983 - 2011. I find encouragement in the fact that there are boards that have been set up. Visalians are still VERY uninformed. I don't know how to rectify this, but I will speak to Miles (with Valley Voice) about how to wake our town/city up to the fact that those who will know anything about the VR are in their 60s+ and we need to get this done NOW NOW NOW.
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What to Expect in 2011

It is my sincere wish this coming year to see EAR/ONS exposed,(IE), wearing an orange jump suit, handcuffed, and shackled between two burley detectives as they enter court for arrainment. This criminal has lived among us for so long he's probably allowed himself to believe he's never going to have to pay for his crimes.

For that wish to come true there will have to be some breaks in the case. If there's a victim out there reading these posts that's still afraid to come forward, now is the time for them to do so, and end the frustration all of us feel.

I also want to offer my personal gratitude for those diligent posters here that have given so much time and energy in relating their discoveries. If I could have a marching band, balloons, and little girls sprinkling rose petals to your doors I'd gladly do so. It's you that's kept the vigil for so long. Thank You.
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Patience and Time

Hello, Mr. Setrepeoh, sir.

Even with all the problematic things plaguing this case, posters
like you and those who find it within themselves to reach
in to themselves and bring their best to the table in regards to
investigating... probing.... and researching... well... with
all that... I don't see this case fading away anytime soon....

There are a lot of brilliant dedicated individuals on this message
board who constantly amaze me with their investigative skills
and theories and endless quest to see this killer brought to
justice..... and that is a beautiful thing....Smile

Although a part of me already strongly believes Mr. EAR-ONS
is still alive... I would be greatly shocked if one day... out of
the clear blue sky... Law Enforcement were to receive a
Driver's License that belonged to one of The East Area Rapist's
victims along with a taunting letter stating that he was still alive
and there was nothing nobody could do to catch him.

One part of me would be dying inside knowing he were still
alive after all these years and that he evaded capture... but
then again... another part of me would at least know
DEFINITIVELY he is alive, you know what I mean?

And, on one level, that would make me happy... you'd know then
that at the very least you wouldn't be chasing a phantom.....

If only Mr. EAR-ONS could be persuaded in some way to
write a letter or send in a trophy of one of his victims from
all those years ago...

Definitive confirmation that he were still alive would
contribute to my insomnia, but I would love to see if, like
BTK, he can be lured back into the spotlight... even if
it only meant through a letter-writing correspondence with the
media and Law Enforcement....

This song is from me to you, Mr. EAR-ONS....

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GdeU0ww4zY&feature=related



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Thank you for the vote of confidence we all feel about solving this case. BTW, I've never heard this song by George Harrison before. It was refreshing to find a new side to an old favorite.
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Re: What to Expect in 2011
Posted By: setrepeoh

It is my sincere wish this coming year to see EAR/ONS exposed,(IE), wearing an orange jump suit, handcuffed, and shackled between two burley detectives as they enter court for arrainment. This criminal has lived among us for so long he's probably allowed himself to believe he's never going to have to pay for his crimes.

For that wish to come true there will have to be some breaks in the case. If there's a victim out there reading these posts that's still afraid to come forward, now is the time for them to do so, and end the frustration all of us feel.

I also want to offer my personal gratitude for those diligent posters here that have given so much time and energy in relating their discoveries. If I could have a marching band, balloons, and little girls sprinkling rose petals to your doors I'd gladly do so. It's you that's kept the vigil for so long. Thank You.
Two female detectives would be nice. They could be burley too. g
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By guessting
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Re: Re: What to Expect in 2011
Posted By: guessting
Posted By: setrepeoh

It is my sincere wish this coming year to see EAR/ONS exposed,(IE), wearing an orange jump suit, handcuffed, and shackled between two burley detectives as they enter court for arrainment. This criminal has lived among us for so long he's probably allowed himself to believe he's never going to have to pay for his crimes.

For that wish to come true there will have to be some breaks in the case. If there's a victim out there reading these posts that's still afraid to come forward, now is the time for them to do so, and end the frustration all of us feel.

I also want to offer my personal gratitude for those diligent posters here that have given so much time and energy in relating their discoveries. If I could have a marching band, balloons, and little girls sprinkling rose petals to your doors I'd gladly do so. It's you that's kept the vigil for so long. Thank You.
Two female detectives would be nice. They could be burley too. g
Yes Guessting...and they should be well trained in martial arts in case he gets friskey...lol wouldn't that drop his hat in the creek. LOL
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By setrepeoh
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2 years ago
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I hate to say this but......
One very sad thing is that this case was not featured on AMW, if it had been featured then it would have hit a wider audience especially given that people involved in the case(detectives,victims, unidentified victims ,maybe even EAR himself) many decades ago have probably dispersed across the country and also because maybe some someone who has he clues that could break this case open is living in some far off state and is not aware that this case is still being looked into
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