SB Co Sheriff: new lead and request for information

[Agent99 aka Sandia]

Sept 14, 2013 5:18:08 GMT redding said:

Sept 14, 2013 3:49:59 GMT ronin said:

Lepke, I agree that a potential list of students of male sixth-grade teachers should not be used to exclude people NOT on the list; but such a list would be very useful in excluding subjects ON the list.

The mere possibility that the writings were done by EAR/ONS make them very important and worth pursuing. Looking at students of male sixth-grade teachers in Visalia, Rancho Cordova, and Goleta would give you a reasonably manageable list of names to start checking out. Maybe EAR/ONS didn't write the essay; maybe he did, but grew up in another town -- it still has to checked out. Given the lack of other evidence to focus the search, the writings are a good lead that should not be ignored.

Here's another thought: suppose for the sake of argument that EAR/ONS did attend elementary school in Rancho Cordova. Even if he didn't write the essay, there is still a significant chance that he was a student of the Japanese-American sixth grade teacher, simply due to the limited number of schools in the area.

Great post.  Just because you start to look in one area does mean that you won't work your way around to other areas.  How do you eat an elephant?  One bite at a time.  

One thing I will say is that I got to thinking about the Cordova Gardens Elementary situation, Mr. S's class, I had been so excited until I reviewed my notes and spotted a potential problem. He started teaching 6th grade in 1973!!!!! If EAR was in the 6th grade in 1973 and not a lot before that is a problem. Mrs. S said she married Mr. S in 1969 but he taught school for 43 years. I wonder where he was teaching before 1973. The article below says he also taught at Mitchell Jr. H.S., and Cordova H.S.

"D.S. devoted more than 43 years as an educator at Cordova Gardens Elementary School, Mitchell Jr. High School and Rancho Cordova Elementary School. He was the founder of a 5th and 6th grade summer camp at Redwood Glen in the Coastal Redwoods. He also developed a reading program at Mitchell Middle School for remedial students; was a facilitator for an intervention program at Cordova High School; developed both physical geography and cultural geography courses for the Sacramento County Office of Education. He also taught an all boys 6th grade class, bringing in an automobile engine for the boys to dismantle as a project, and was a "Tough Love" facilitator at Cordova High. D.S. was presented the Gold Award by the Capitol Service Center Council of the California Teachers Association in 1983, and the George Beck Award for Community Service in 1986 by the Folsom Cordova PTA Council. D.S. died on August 13, 2008.

Let the discussion continue.

[Agent99 aka Sandia]

Sept 14, 2013 17:20:11 GMT Agent99 aka Sandia said:

Sept 14, 2013 5:18:08 GMT redding said:

Great post.  Just because you start to look in one area does mean that you won't work your way around to other areas.  How do you eat an elephant?  One bite at a time.  

One thing I will say is that I got to thinking about the Cordova Gardens Elementary situation, Mr. S's class, I had been so excited until I reviewed my notes and spotted a potential problem. He started teaching 6th grade in 1973!!!!! If EAR was in the 6th grade in 1973 and not a lot before that is a problem. Mrs. S said she married Mr. S in 1969 but he taught school for 43 years. I wonder where he was teaching before 1973. The article below says he also taught at Mitchell Jr. H.S., and Cordova H.S.

Quote:  "D.S. devoted more than 43 years as an educator at Cordova Gardens Elementary School, Mitchell Jr. High School and Rancho Cordova Elementary School. He was the founder of a 5th and 6th grade summer camp at Redwood Glen in the Coastal Redwoods. He also developed a reading program at Mitchell Middle School for remedial students; was a facilitator for an intervention program at Cordova High School; developed both physical geography and cultural geography courses for the Sacramento County Office of Education. He also taught an all boys 6th grade class, bringing in an automobile engine for the boys to dismantle as a project, and was a "Tough Love" facilitator at Cordova High. D.S. was presented the Gold Award by the Capitol Service Center Council of the California Teachers Association in 1983, and the George Beck Award for Community Service in 1986 by the Folsom Cordova PTA Council. D.S. died on August 13, 2008."

Let the discussion continue.

p.s. So I take it that Rancho Cordova Elementary School is different from Cordova Gardens Elementary School? If they are indeed two different schools, as seems to be indicated by the above quote, then that could be the answer. 

[redding]

Sept 14, 2013 17:20:11 GMT Agent99 aka Sandia said:

Sept 14, 2013 5:18:08 GMT redding said:

Great post.  Just because you start to look in one area does mean that you won't work your way around to other areas.  How do you eat an elephant?  One bite at a time.  

One thing I will say is that I got to thinking about the Cordova Gardens Elementary situation, Mr. S's class, I had been so excited until I reviewed my notes and spotted a potential problem. He started teaching 6th grade in 1973!!!!! If EAR was in the 6th grade in 1973 and not a lot before that is a problem. Mrs. S said she married Mr. S in 1969 but he taught school for 43 years. I wonder where he was teaching before 1973. The article below says he also taught at Mitchell Jr. H.S., and Cordova H.S.

"D.S. devoted more than 43 years as an educator at Cordova Gardens Elementary School, Mitchell Jr. High School and Rancho Cordova Elementary School. He was the founder of a 5th and 6th grade summer camp at Redwood Glen in the Coastal Redwoods. He also developed a reading program at Mitchell Middle School for remedial students; was a facilitator for an intervention program at Cordova High School; developed both physical geography and cultural geography courses for the Sacramento County Office of Education. He also taught an all boys 6th grade class, bringing in an automobile engine for the boys to dismantle as a project, and was a "Tough Love" facilitator at Cordova High. D.S. was presented the Gold Award by the Capitol Service Center Council of the California Teachers Association in 1983, and the George Beck Award for Community Service in 1986 by the Folsom Cordova PTA Council. D.S. died on August 13, 2008.

Let the discussion continue.

Sandia,

       I think you are mistaken about when he taught sixth grade.  I could be wrong, but I remember that he was a sixth grade teacher at Cordova Gardens in the 1960's and that he then taught an all male class in the early seventies.  I will review everything I have on it. 
Here is something that shows that he started teaching at Cordova Gardens Elementary in 1961:
"Mr. S, Teacher, Rancho Cordova Elementary School. David was hired on September 1, 1961 to teach at Cordova Gardens Elementary School. He transferred to Mitchell Junior High School at the start of the 1974/1975 school year. In 1981 he transferred to Rancho Cordova Elementary School. He will retire from his teaching position on June 30, 2004. Mr. S has been employed 43 years with the Folsom Cordova Unified School District."

[Agent99 aka Sandia]

Sept 14, 2013 17:56:06 GMT redding said:

Sept 14, 2013 17:20:11 GMT Agent99 aka Sandia said:

One thing I will say is that I got to thinking about the Cordova Gardens Elementary situation, Mr. S's class, I had been so excited until I reviewed my notes and spotted a potential problem. He started teaching 6th grade in 1973!!!!! If EAR was in the 6th grade in 1973 and not a lot before that is a problem. Mrs. S said she married Mr. S in 1969 but he taught school for 43 years. I wonder where he was teaching before 1973. The article below says he also taught at Mitchell Jr. H.S., and Cordova H.S.

"D.S. devoted more than 43 years as an educator at Cordova Gardens Elementary School, Mitchell Jr. High School and Rancho Cordova Elementary School. He was the founder of a 5th and 6th grade summer camp at Redwood Glen in the Coastal Redwoods. He also developed a reading program at Mitchell Middle School for remedial students; was a facilitator for an intervention program at Cordova High School; developed both physical geography and cultural geography courses for the Sacramento County Office of Education. He also taught an all boys 6th grade class, bringing in an automobile engine for the boys to dismantle as a project, and was a "Tough Love" facilitator at Cordova High. D.S. was presented the Gold Award by the Capitol Service Center Council of the California Teachers Association in 1983, and the George Beck Award for Community Service in 1986 by the Folsom Cordova PTA Council. D.S. died on August 13, 2008.

Let the discussion continue.

Sandia,

       I think you are mistaken about when he taught sixth grade.  I could be wrong, but I remember that he was a sixth grade teacher at Cordova Gardens in the 1960's and that he then taught an all male class in the early seventies.  I will review everything I have on it. 
Here is something that shows that he started teaching at Cordova Gardens Elementary in 1961:
"Mr. S, Teacher, Rancho Cordova Elementary School. David was hired on September 1, 1961 to teach at Cordova Gardens Elementary School. He transferred to Mitchell Junior High School at the start of the 1974/1975 school year. In 1981 he transferred to Rancho Cordova Elementary School. He will retire from his teaching position on June 30, 2004. Mr. S has been employed 43 years with the Folsom Cordova Unified School District."

Redding, I see that you are listed as a girl these days, anything you want to tell us, LOL. I am very glad to see what you have quoted above. I was going off my notes of my conversation with Mrs. S. Possibly she is confusing the schools? It is concerning though because she went on quite a bit about how proud she was of her husband and hold me all about his methods and what a popular teacher he was (very heartwarming) and how he arranged for all the fun activities etc. Could it be she is mixed up on schools. They married in 1969. Could she be thinking of the Jr. H.S. It does seem that your information is very specific and looks to be accurate. We just need to confirm this somehow in my never to be humble opinion.   

[redding]

Sept 14, 2013 18:54:14 GMT Agent99 aka Sandia said:

Sept 14, 2013 17:56:06 GMT redding said:

Sandia,

       I think you are mistaken about when he taught sixth grade.  I could be wrong, but I remember that he was a sixth grade teacher at Cordova Gardens in the 1960's and that he then taught an all male class in the early seventies.  I will review everything I have on it. 
Here is something that shows that he started teaching at Cordova Gardens Elementary in 1961:
"Mr. S, Teacher, Rancho Cordova Elementary School. David was hired on September 1, 1961 to teach at Cordova Gardens Elementary School. He transferred to Mitchell Junior High School at the start of the 1974/1975 school year. In 1981 he transferred to Rancho Cordova Elementary School. He will retire from his teaching position on June 30, 2004. Mr. S has been employed 43 years with the Folsom Cordova Unified School District."

Redding, I see that you are listed as a girl these days, anything you want to tell us, LOL. I am very glad to see what you have quoted above. I was going off my notes of my conversation with Mrs. S. Possibly she is confusing the schools? It is concerning though because she went on quite a bit about how proud she was of her husband and hold me all about his methods and what a popular teacher he was (very heartwarming) and how he arranged for all the fun activities etc. Could it be she is mixed up on schools. They married in 1969. Could she be thinking of the Jr. H.S. It does seem that your information is very specific and looks to be accurate. We just need to confirm this somehow in my never to be humble opinion.   

Confirm it?  My quote is from official district records.  He taught at Cordova Gardens Elementary from 1961 to 1973.  I have another source that said that he taught sixth grade at Cordova Gardens, and then later he taught 4th and 6th at Rancho Cordova Elementary.  We discussed all this at length four months ago and it was never ever mentioned that he didn't teach at Cordova Gardens Elementary until 1973. I do have a P.M. from you where you indicate that he taught an all boys class in 1973. P.S. I have always been listed as a 110 year old woman on my profiles.

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Redding Said:

"P.S. I have always been listed as a 110 year old woman on my profiles."

Pretty sharp for 110. Do you eat a lot of fish?

[Agent99 aka Sandia]

Sept 14, 2013 19:09:08 GMT f1guyus said:

Redding Said:

"P.S. I have always been listed as a 110 year old woman on my profiles."

Pretty sharp for 110. Do you eat a lot of fish?

A lot of fish?  Actually I do!  Hopefully good for longevity?

[Agent99 aka Sandia]

Sept 14, 2013 19:03:54 GMT redding said:

Sept 14, 2013 18:54:14 GMT Agent99 aka Sandia said:

Redding, I see that you are listed as a girl these days, anything you want to tell us, LOL. I am very glad to see what you have quoted above. I was going off my notes of my conversation with Mrs. S. Possibly she is confusing the schools? It is concerning though because she went on quite a bit about how proud she was of her husband and hold me all about his methods and what a popular teacher he was (very heartwarming) and how he arranged for all the fun activities etc. Could it be she is mixed up on schools. They married in 1969. Could she be thinking of the Jr. H.S. It does seem that your information is very specific and looks to be accurate. We just need to confirm this somehow in my never to be humble opinion.   

Confirm it?  My quote is from official district records.  He taught at Cordova Gardens Elementary from 1961 to 1973.  I have another source that said that he taught sixth grade at Cordova Gardens, and then later he taught 4th and 6th at Rancho Cordova Elementary.  We discussed all this at length four months ago and it was never ever mentioned that he didn't teach at Cordova Gardens Elementary until 1973. I do have a P.M. from you where you indicate that he taught an all boys class in 1973. P.S. I have always been listed as a 110 year old woman on my profiles.

O.K. It's confirmed, I'm losing it LOL.  Well, I'm glad you said that, and I consider that good and hopeful news.  Glad you didn't undergo a sex change operation

[redding]

Sept 14, 2013 19:09:08 GMT f1guyus said:

Redding Said:

"P.S. I have always been listed as a 110 year old woman on my profiles."

Pretty sharp for 110. Do you eat a lot of fish?

I don't want to shock you, but not everything that you read on the internet is true.

[redding]

Greg has locked my Cordova Gardens thread? I think this is a little over the top. Lepke was clearly skeptical of the link and I answered his posts. I don't see anywhere where it became heated or rude? So now this thread is closed? What gives?  I just reread the whole thread and if anything Lepke was being hostile towards me.  So why should my thread be locked?  Shouldn't his comments be removed?

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Sept 14, 2013 19:13:19 GMT Agent99 aka Sandia said:

Sept 14, 2013 19:09:08 GMT f1guyus said:

Redding Said:

"P.S. I have always been listed as a 110 year old woman on my profiles."

Pretty sharp for 110. Do you eat a lot of fish?

A lot of fish?  Actually I do!  Hopefully good for longevity?

Just stay away from those crappy California Chardonnays with your fish. You might make it to being really old.

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Sept 14, 2013 19:25:28 GMT redding said:

Sept 14, 2013 19:09:08 GMT f1guyus said:

Redding Said:

"P.S. I have always been listed as a 110 year old woman on my profiles."

Pretty sharp for 110. Do you eat a lot of fish?

I don't want to shock you, but not everything that you read on the internet is true.

Jeez, just when I was getting ready to give that Nigerian Prince my bank account number.

[Agent99 aka Sandia]

Sept 14, 2013 19:38:21 GMT f1guyus said:

Sept 14, 2013 19:25:28 GMT redding said:

I don't want to shock you, but not everything that you read on the internet is true.

Jeez, just when I was getting ready to give that Nigerian Prince my bank account number.

Funny!

[Drifter]

Sept 14, 2013 19:34:06 GMT redding said:

Greg has locked my Cordova Gardens thread? I think this is a little over the top. Lepke was clearly skeptical of the link and I answered his posts. I don't see anywhere where it became heated or rude? So now this thread is closed? What gives?  I just reread the whole thread and if anything Lepke was being hostile towards me.  So why should my thread be locked?  Shouldn't his comments be removed?

If you would like to start a new thread with a slightly altered heading, that would be fine.  Simply restate the same topic content that was in your initial post in the locked thread.
 

[redding]

Sept 15, 2013 4:51:30 GMT Drifter said:

Sept 14, 2013 19:34:06 GMT redding said:

Greg has locked my Cordova Gardens thread? I think this is a little over the top. Lepke was clearly skeptical of the link and I answered his posts. I don't see anywhere where it became heated or rude? So now this thread is closed? What gives?  I just reread the whole thread and if anything Lepke was being hostile towards me.  So why should my thread be locked?  Shouldn't his comments be removed?

If you would like to start a new thread with a slightly altered heading, that would be fine.  Simply restate the same topic content that was in your initial post in the locked thread.
 

Thanks.  I am good for now. Not more to say on the subject.....right now.