Age, Race, Hawaii, and Car Sales
Sept 18, 2013 15:06:14 GMT
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Post by eddyd on Sept 18, 2013 15:06:14 GMT
I'm not a new guy to the ONS/EAR/GSK cases but I'm not an expert either—somewhere in between. I've read Sudden Terror and thought it was well-done. So, I apologize if these points have been mentioned before but I couldn't find answers to them here or elsewhere. I'll try to be quick.
1. Has anybody done a database on the ages of the couples assaulted and murdered? I ask because it strikes me as odd that the couples who were murdered were part of a unique demographic: Either the woman was older than the man OR the man was quite a bit older than the woman. I read somewhere that the average age difference between people in adult relationships is 4 years with the man being older than the woman. All of those murdered were well outside that. And it's even more interesting since I think relationships with the woman being older are much more common now than they were then. Now, I'm no statistician but I dare to say that I could blindly pick six couples at a grocery store and at least three of them would fall within the average of 4 years difference with the man being older. Somehow, GSK picked none in an era where “traditional” age differences were much more common. Coincidence or part of his modus operandi? I also wonder about the age of Manuela's husband. And was the demographic breakdown by age of couples who were assaulted but not murdered ever examined?
2. What about race/ethnicity? Once again I bring up the people who were murdered. The first six people murdered had WASP-y last names. Whereas, the last 4 people he murdered had Hispanic last names (well, Manuela is a first name). Granted, I don't know any one these victims' heritages and I'm going by names. But, is that a coincidence or did GSK change his demographics? Keep in mind California has a considerable Hispanic population, but it wasn't as large then as it is now. Moreover, did he ever rape any black women or couples? Asians? Mixed race people? Does anybody know the race demographics of every woman and couple attacked? There are over 50 cases. That would definitely be enough to decide from a statistical standpoint if GSK was targeting people of certain races and ethnicities.
3. There's been quite a bit of talk of what he was doing between 1981 and 1986. Has anybody checked this out? the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2001/Jul/22/ln/ln05a.html Yes, the modus operandi of these murders are different but I wouldn't put anything past GSK. He might've gone to Hawaii and decided to try some new methods so authorities in California wouldn't know he moved. Lisa U, Diane Suzuki, Helen Correa—all still unsolved. Note that the last of the murders in the “Serial slayings” (also unsolved) section happened only a week before Janelle Cruz was murdered. He could've easily flown back to California and murdered her—I think Janelle has more in common with the murdered women in Hawaii than she does with the couples murdered in California.
4. Last point—has anybody entertained the idea that GSK might've been in the car business? I say this because the perception is he seemed to have access to all sorts of different vehicles. The average person may have a couple cars but 5? 6? 7? Late at night? It's a big logical jump to me. Nobody has access to more vehicles than people in the car business—technicians, service advisors, salesman, sales managers, owners of the used car lots, car rental operators. In addition, and I think this because I worked as a salesman 20 years ago, while reading Sudden Terror it struck me that GSK seemed to be using techniques from your typical car buying experience. He engaged his victims (customers), told them that everything would go quick if they cooperated, but then drew the whole terrible experience out for hours as he kept going back and forth between the bedroom, the kitchen, the bathroom, etc. Just like salesman do—they engage the customers, tell them how smooth everything will be, then draw out the entire experience out by going to their sales manager several times—faking exasperation every time. Suddenly, something that should take an hour takes 3 or 4 hours. And GSK got his victims to go along by telling them that if they just do one more thing then it would be all over . . . but it wouldn't be. And he seemed so smooth at it in the book that it struck me that he probably did this bait and switch in whatever job he had when he wasn't raping women and murdering couples.
I contrast this with your average rapists. They try to get in and out as fast as possible—for obvious reasons. But, most of them only master the physical side of the attack—keeping the victim in one position, not allowing them to escape. Rarely do any of them try to get inside their victims' heads. But GSK, he seemed to have a skill very early on, although he wasn't perfect, that he knew how to control his victims psychologically—that's not an inherent skill, it's learned. Once again, maybe acquired from a job he had. He knew that pretending to leave, and then popping back into the bedroom unannounced scared his victims even more. He knew that attacking people where they feel the safest—their home—and succeeding at it scared them the most, much worse than had it been in an alley way. He knew he could get what he wanted by promising things like “I'm just here for you money” would calm them down—only to raise their tension again in seconds when he changed his mind. I mean, that's why the book is called “Sudden Terror.” I think these were skills learned during work that he used at night.
1. Has anybody done a database on the ages of the couples assaulted and murdered? I ask because it strikes me as odd that the couples who were murdered were part of a unique demographic: Either the woman was older than the man OR the man was quite a bit older than the woman. I read somewhere that the average age difference between people in adult relationships is 4 years with the man being older than the woman. All of those murdered were well outside that. And it's even more interesting since I think relationships with the woman being older are much more common now than they were then. Now, I'm no statistician but I dare to say that I could blindly pick six couples at a grocery store and at least three of them would fall within the average of 4 years difference with the man being older. Somehow, GSK picked none in an era where “traditional” age differences were much more common. Coincidence or part of his modus operandi? I also wonder about the age of Manuela's husband. And was the demographic breakdown by age of couples who were assaulted but not murdered ever examined?
2. What about race/ethnicity? Once again I bring up the people who were murdered. The first six people murdered had WASP-y last names. Whereas, the last 4 people he murdered had Hispanic last names (well, Manuela is a first name). Granted, I don't know any one these victims' heritages and I'm going by names. But, is that a coincidence or did GSK change his demographics? Keep in mind California has a considerable Hispanic population, but it wasn't as large then as it is now. Moreover, did he ever rape any black women or couples? Asians? Mixed race people? Does anybody know the race demographics of every woman and couple attacked? There are over 50 cases. That would definitely be enough to decide from a statistical standpoint if GSK was targeting people of certain races and ethnicities.
3. There's been quite a bit of talk of what he was doing between 1981 and 1986. Has anybody checked this out? the.honoluluadvertiser.com/article/2001/Jul/22/ln/ln05a.html Yes, the modus operandi of these murders are different but I wouldn't put anything past GSK. He might've gone to Hawaii and decided to try some new methods so authorities in California wouldn't know he moved. Lisa U, Diane Suzuki, Helen Correa—all still unsolved. Note that the last of the murders in the “Serial slayings” (also unsolved) section happened only a week before Janelle Cruz was murdered. He could've easily flown back to California and murdered her—I think Janelle has more in common with the murdered women in Hawaii than she does with the couples murdered in California.
4. Last point—has anybody entertained the idea that GSK might've been in the car business? I say this because the perception is he seemed to have access to all sorts of different vehicles. The average person may have a couple cars but 5? 6? 7? Late at night? It's a big logical jump to me. Nobody has access to more vehicles than people in the car business—technicians, service advisors, salesman, sales managers, owners of the used car lots, car rental operators. In addition, and I think this because I worked as a salesman 20 years ago, while reading Sudden Terror it struck me that GSK seemed to be using techniques from your typical car buying experience. He engaged his victims (customers), told them that everything would go quick if they cooperated, but then drew the whole terrible experience out for hours as he kept going back and forth between the bedroom, the kitchen, the bathroom, etc. Just like salesman do—they engage the customers, tell them how smooth everything will be, then draw out the entire experience out by going to their sales manager several times—faking exasperation every time. Suddenly, something that should take an hour takes 3 or 4 hours. And GSK got his victims to go along by telling them that if they just do one more thing then it would be all over . . . but it wouldn't be. And he seemed so smooth at it in the book that it struck me that he probably did this bait and switch in whatever job he had when he wasn't raping women and murdering couples.
I contrast this with your average rapists. They try to get in and out as fast as possible—for obvious reasons. But, most of them only master the physical side of the attack—keeping the victim in one position, not allowing them to escape. Rarely do any of them try to get inside their victims' heads. But GSK, he seemed to have a skill very early on, although he wasn't perfect, that he knew how to control his victims psychologically—that's not an inherent skill, it's learned. Once again, maybe acquired from a job he had. He knew that pretending to leave, and then popping back into the bedroom unannounced scared his victims even more. He knew that attacking people where they feel the safest—their home—and succeeding at it scared them the most, much worse than had it been in an alley way. He knew he could get what he wanted by promising things like “I'm just here for you money” would calm them down—only to raise their tension again in seconds when he changed his mind. I mean, that's why the book is called “Sudden Terror.” I think these were skills learned during work that he used at night.