where do you think ONS is NOW?

[Jay7777]

Again maybe something like this:

Latest News


2 Men Found Dead On Floating Meth Lab In Delta Near Pittsburg, CA

November 27, 2013 6:57 PM


Authorities said Gary Lee Cooper and James Eugene McRae were found dead on a houseboat on the Delta near Pittsburg on November 25, 2013. The boat contained a meth lab, according to authorities. (Solano County Sheriff)

Authorities said Gary Lee Cooper and James Eugene McRae were found dead on a houseboat on the Delta near Pittsburg on November 25, 2013. The boat contained a meth lab, according to authorities. (Solano County Sheriff)


Local, News

PITTSBURG, CA (CBS SF) — Two men found dead onboard a houseboat equipped with a methamphetamine lab in the Sacramento-San Joaquin Delta near Pittsburg on Monday have been identified, a Solano County sheriff’s spokesman said.

The deceased men have been identified as 72-year-old Concord resident Gary Lee Cooper and 49-year-old Martinez resident James Eugene McRae.

Solano County Sheriff’s Deputy Daryl Snedeker said McRae and Cooper were reported missing by a family member on Monday, when they did not return home from a fishing trip, Snedeker said.
 

 
The Contra Costa County sheriff’s marine patrol unit and the U.S. Coast Guard located the boat near Spoonbill Creek in Solano County, about 6 miles south of Rio Vista, according to Snedeker.

Before boarding the vessel deputies attempted to make contact with the boat’s occupants, but received no response. Upon boarding the vessel, deputies found the lifeless bodies of McRae and Cooper, Snedeker said.

Deputies also located items indicating the consumption and manufacture of methamphetamine, according to Snedeker.

Investigators reported smelling an odd odor within the boat’s cabin and exited the vessel for safety reasons. Additional personnel were called to the scene to determine the nature of the odor, Snedeker said.


Due to the potential hazards associated with manufacturing of meth, the Solano County Sheriff’s Office and the U.S. Coast Guard secured the boat overnight with the two bodies still onboard, according to deputies.

Three Solano County sheriff’s deputies who initially boarded the boat were transported to a local hospital to be medically cleared after possible exposure to hazardous vapors and odors. The deputies were released after they were examined and showed no signs of illness.

Although the bodies were found by the Contra Costa County Sheriff’s Office, the Solano County Sheriff’s Office is investigating the case because the vessel was in its jurisdiction, Snedeker said.

Drug Enforcement Administration agents were brought to the scene on Tuesday and verified the clandestine meth lab. The houseboat was towed to the U.S. Coast Guard’s Rio Vista station, where the agents seized the chemicals and lab components, deputies said.

Snedeker said the agents removed McRae and Cooper’s bodies from the vessel in Rio Vista.

The investigation into the cause McRae and Cooper’s deaths is ongoing and the Solano County coroner’s office will be conducting an autopsy in the coming week.

Deputies are urging the public to be aware of the dangers clandestine labs pose to public safety. Exposure to the chemicals used in manufacturing illegal drugs can cause serious bodily injury or death.

Anyone with information regarding this case is urged to contact the Solano County Sheriff’s Office at [phone] . Anyone who suspects additional narcotics manufacturing is asked to contact their local law enforcement agency immediately.

(Copyright 2013 by CBS San Francisco and Bay City News Service. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.) 

[jkearns]

Nov 29, 2013 17:17:27 GMT Jay7777 said:

NO THIS IS MORE HIS STYLE

           oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/unsolved/0202_santaclara_sexassault.pdf?

[Agent99 aka Sandia]

Nov 23, 2013 17:07:28 GMT guessting said:

Nov 22, 2013 21:43:05 GMT valentina said:

I hope someone here can answer all of your questions. Here's what I know: In California, everyone who is convicted of a felony or even just arrested for suspicion of convicting a felony is swabbed for DNA. It's not like that in every state, but

there's a push for it to become a federal law.

The sad part of the DNA SAGA IS THAT THEY ARE YEARS BEHIND. Not in collecting as much as testing!

Think positive guessting, Glass 1/2 full.  It's good they are not so behind in collecting it at least.   I'm sure they are not going to release a felon without it  being tested. (Pessimistic throught coming through in spite of myself:  Well, come to think of it, I'm sure they are "supposed" to test it before releasing a felon, I'm fairly confident they will, but I hope there would be no bureaucratic mix-ups/bungling that we hear of from time to time especially when dealing with the government bureaucracy.)

Just that they might have the DNA is positive and hopefully if they do have his, one of these days it's going to rise to the top of the pile.  I just wonder if he is in prison and he dies in prison, will bother to test it.  

Becoming federal law is so important.  He could be in prison in another state where testing is not done or a state that does not cooperate with sharing the information with California.

[Jay7777]

Nov 29, 2013 18:08:13 GMT jkearns said:

Nov 29, 2013 17:17:27 GMT Jay7777 said:

That is a good one but I bet he is too young.

NO THIS IS MORE HIS STYLE

           oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/agweb/pdfs/unsolved/0202_santaclara_sexassault.pdf?

[Jay7777]

This guy could fit the bill, at least as far as what he might be doing now:

usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/29/21673156-handyman-sought-after-three-found-dead-in-colorado-house-fire#comments


Handyman sought after three found dead in Colorado house fire






Pueblo County


Harry Mapps, 59, of Colorado is being sought in connection to a fire that killed three people.

Authorities in rural southern Colorado are searching for a handyman who lived at a home where three people were found dead after a fire on Thanksgiving.

Investigators planned to remove the bodies of the two women and a man Thursday, a day after the home in the town of Rye burned. The fire has been labeled arson, though it wasn't immediately clear whether the victims died in the fire or were dead when it started.

Authorities were looking for Harry Mapps, 59, a former handyman who rented a room at the home. Mapps is described as 6 feet tall, 135 pounds and has red hair and blue eyes and may have a graying beard. He last drove a blue 2004 Chrysler Town & Country minivan with either Texas or Colorado license plates.

Authorities hadn't ruled out the possibility that Mapps also perished in the fire.

The Pueblo County coroner planned to conduct autopsies Friday. Three children who lived at the home were at a relative's in Pueblo and escaped harm.

Two dogs survived the fire and were taken by animal control.

— The Associated Press

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Assuming anything about EAR/ONS is risky but, I do believe that he most likely would meet the clinical (DSM IV) criteria for sociopathy. One characteristic of successful sociopaths is their uncanny ability to blend themselves into a "normal" life, presenting themselves as "normal...average" and acquiring many of the accoutrements of normality (spouses, children, regular employment, mini-van, even dogs and a white picket fence). Another characteristic very typical of sociopaths is that from the latter stages of adolescence through young adulthood is when they are most active relative to their engaging in antisocial (illicit, illegal and inappropriate) behaviors and conduct. It is common for their involvement and participation in antisocial activities commonly to taper down and often cease as they reach the end of young adulthood and transition into middle age. Clinical psychologists who deal with these individuals on a regular basis often refer to this as "burning out". If these assumptions are correct with respect to EAR/ONS they might provide an explanation as to how he:
          A) has been hiding in plain sight ala BTK,GRK and others; and
          B) why he seems to have initially been so prolific and then later slowed down drastically and then
              stopped.
Since actuarial statistics tell us that the overwhelming likelihood is that this guy is still alive it is at least somewhat probable that he is still among us.  Consequently if he is not imprisoned or otherwise institutionalized, I guess he could be almost anywhere...wherever life has taken him. However I believe that his fantasy life is of extreme importance to him. Perhaps if he has stopped or dramatically slowed in his commission of crimes and antisocial behaviors, his fantasy life is of even greater importance now than ever before. If that is the case I believe that he would be very resistant to making his residence far from the areas of his criminal exploits. So if I had to guess (and that is what I'm doing...just guessing), I would place him in California and probably living somewhere fairly close to Sacramento/Nor.Cal., Goleta/Ventura/SB or Orange County.

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"Real quiet guy, but always ready to help"

"Nice guy, always said hello in the morning"

"Real polite, you know"

"Helped out when we redid the Little League diamond"

"Always ready to lend a hand"

"What a shock, it's really hard to believe"

"Naaa, it couldn't be him, way too nice a guy"

[agatha]

Dec 4, 2013 21:09:07 GMT @playinem121 said:

Assuming anything about EAR/ONS is risky but, I do believe that he most likely would meet the clinical (DSM IV) criteria for sociopathy. One characteristic of successful sociopaths is their uncanny ability to blend themselves into a "normal" life, presenting themselves as "normal...average" and acquiring many of the accoutrements of normality (spouses, children, regular employment, mini-van, even dogs and a white picket fence). Another characteristic very typical of sociopaths is that from the latter stages of adolescence through young adulthood is when they are most active relative to their engaging in antisocial (illicit, illegal and inappropriate) behaviors and conduct. It is common for their involvement and participation in antisocial activities commonly to taper down and often cease as they reach the end of young adulthood and transition into middle age. Clinical psychologists who deal with these individuals on a regular basis often refer to this as "burning out". If these assumptions are correct with respect to EAR/ONS they might provide an explanation as to how he:
          A) has been hiding in plain sight ala BTK,GRK and others; and
          B) why he seems to have initially been so prolific and then later slowed down drastically and then
              stopped.
Since actuarial statistics tell us that the overwhelming likelihood is that this guy is still alive it is at least somewhat probable that he is still among us.  Consequently if he is not imprisoned or otherwise institutionalized, I guess he could be almost anywhere...wherever life has taken him. However I believe that his fantasy life is of extreme importance to him. Perhaps if he has stopped or dramatically slowed in his commission of crimes and antisocial behaviors, his fantasy life is of even greater importance now than ever before. If that is the case I believe that he would be very resistant to making his residence far from the areas of his criminal exploits. So if I had to guess (and that is what I'm doing...just guessing), I would place him in California and probably living somewhere fairly close to Sacramento/Nor.Cal., Goleta/Ventura/SB or Orange County.

I think you're absolutely right on. His fantasies are central now. I keep harping on this issue, and here I go again: someone with whom he lives (because I'm convinced he has a family) is passively tolerant of the behavior he exhibits that allows him to indulge in his fantasies. He MUST spend inordinate time alone reliving his crimes in some way. The other serials we know much about--our boys BTK, Ridgeway, Williams-- spent long hours alone, even when not actively killing. They dressed in victims' clothing, posed and photographed themselves, reenacted crimes with dolls, trolled by car obsessively......these guys spent a lot of time on their fantasies. I can only assume the women in their lives were aware they were gone, or busy elsewhere, or, as with BTK, locked in his garage workshop playing with barbies for hours, but were too passive to investigate what they were up to. All I can say is, if my husband was absenting himself for lengthy periods of time, I'd ask questions. I'm convinced a huge publicity campaign would have the potential to get people rethinking those long hours dad spends in the garage alone, ( with that locked trunk of trophies). Someone knows this guy and realizes he's off and just needs convincing that she should pick up the phone. Then again, Williams' wife refused to believe, in the face of concrete evidence, that he was anything other than the fine, outstanding family man and military hero he purported to be, so what are you going to do? Do these psychopaths intentionally choose spouses with passive, submissive, incurious personalities, as part of their cover?

[mb]

Agatha, I absolutely believe these guys pick submissive wives. They aren't capable of having a healthy interpersonal relationship, so they pick a partner who is damaged or needy enough that she doesn't dare rock the boat by addressing problems. Whoever this guy's wife is, she's either in extreme denial, or he has something to hold over her, whether it's financial security or something else.

[lepke]

I think that the fantasies were the beginning for EAR/ONS, the attacks the middle, and the memories the end.

[tongue]

Dec 4, 2013 22:33:49 GMT agatha said:

Dec 4, 2013 21:09:07 GMT @playinem121 said:

Assuming anything about EAR/ONS is risky but, I do believe that he most likely would meet the clinical (DSM IV) criteria for sociopathy. One characteristic of successful sociopaths is their uncanny ability to blend themselves into a "normal" life, presenting themselves as "normal...average" and acquiring many of the accoutrements of normality (spouses, children, regular employment, mini-van, even dogs and a white picket fence). Another characteristic very typical of sociopaths is that from the latter stages of adolescence through young adulthood is when they are most active relative to their engaging in antisocial (illicit, illegal and inappropriate) behaviors and conduct. It is common for their involvement and participation in antisocial activities commonly to taper down and often cease as they reach the end of young adulthood and transition into middle age. Clinical psychologists who deal with these individuals on a regular basis often refer to this as "burning out". If these assumptions are correct with respect to EAR/ONS they might provide an explanation as to how he:
          A) has been hiding in plain sight ala BTK,GRK and others; and
          B) why he seems to have initially been so prolific and then later slowed down drastically and then
              stopped.
Since actuarial statistics tell us that the overwhelming likelihood is that this guy is still alive it is at least somewhat probable that he is still among us.  Consequently if he is not imprisoned or otherwise institutionalized, I guess he could be almost anywhere...wherever life has taken him. However I believe that his fantasy life is of extreme importance to him. Perhaps if he has stopped or dramatically slowed in his commission of crimes and antisocial behaviors, his fantasy life is of even greater importance now than ever before. If that is the case I believe that he would be very resistant to making his residence far from the areas of his criminal exploits. So if I had to guess (and that is what I'm doing...just guessing), I would place him in California and probably living somewhere fairly close to Sacramento/Nor.Cal., Goleta/Ventura/SB or Orange County.

I think you're absolutely right on. His fantasies are central now. I keep harping on this issue, and here I go again: someone with whom he lives (because I'm convinced he has a family) is passively tolerant of the behavior he exhibits that allows him to indulge in his fantasies. He MUST spend inordinate time alone reliving his crimes in some way. The other serials we know much about--our boys BTK, Ridgeway, Williams-- spent long hours alone, even when not actively killing. They dressed in victims' clothing, posed and photographed themselves, reenacted crimes with dolls, trolled by car obsessively......these guys spent a lot of time on their fantasies. I can only assume the women in their lives were aware they were gone, or busy elsewhere, or, as with BTK, locked in his garage workshop playing with barbies for hours, but were too passive to investigate what they were up to. All I can say is, if my husband was absenting himself for lengthy periods of time, I'd ask questions. I'm convinced a huge publicity campaign would have the potential to get people rethinking those long hours dad spends in the garage alone, ( with that locked trunk of trophies). Someone knows this guy and realizes he's off and just needs convincing that she should pick up the phone. Then again, Williams' wife refused to believe, in the face of concrete evidence, that he was anything other than the fine, outstanding family man and military hero he purported to be, so what are you going to do? Do these psychopaths intentionally choose spouses with passive, submissive, incurious personalities, as part of their cover?

  well of course serial killers would choose spouses that are submissive and naive, or else it would be quite difficult to get away with their fantasies and murder..its going to take much more than a husband that simply spends time alone in his workshop to convince a devoted, naive, submissive  wife to finger him as a killer..murderers these day can sadly indulge their fantasies online to an extent or with escorts...its a different world than it was in the 70s obviously, different fetishes are much more accepted than they were back then..im keeping fingers crossed about GSK being found out but imo, he is not married with children, he may have a girlfriend but thats it..i could be wrong..

  besides, he is in his 50s-60s now so im sure his fantasies have died down considerably over time..

[tongue]

Dec 5, 2013 2:13:27 GMT lepke said:

I think that the fantasies were the beginning for EAR/ONS, the attacks the middle, and the memories the end.

i agree and sadly he is at the memories stage right now..i wonder if he has any shred of regret for what he did?does he still have the intense rage towards women that he had then?sooo many things i want answered about this guy..

[Drifter]

quote from tongue:
"im keeping fingers crossed about GSK being found out but imo, he is not married with children, he may have a girlfriend but thats it..i could be wrong."
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Agree. But I doubt that he even has a girlfriend. And that assumes he is still alive, of which I am skeptical.

Playinem121 makes a fine case for his position. (And ... with "accoutrements"; first time I have seen that word on this message board ... would like to see playinem121 post more often).

But here we go again comparing the Original Night Stalker to BTK and other captured criminals ...

Like you, tongue, I could very well be wrong in saying that the guy is not married + kids.

But the ONS is not comparable to other captured criminals, if for no other reason than differences in brain structure and chemistry. Serial killers are not infused with identical brains; they are not robots.

[agatha]

Dec 5, 2013 1:19:47 GMT mb said:

Agatha, I absolutely believe these guys pick submissive wives. They aren't capable of having a healthy interpersonal relationship, so they pick a partner who is damaged or needy enough that she doesn't dare rock the boat by addressing problems. Whoever this guy's wife is, she's either in extreme denial, or he has something to hold over her, whether it's financial security or something else.

I think you hit the nail on the head.....unhealthy, passive, needy. I believe it was Robert Lee Yates, a Spokane, Washington serial killer, who buried one of his victims under his bedroom window WHILE HIS WIFE WAS ASLEEP IN THE ROOM. I told my husband, if I heard him out in the garden digging in the middle of the night, I might not necessarily assume he was burying a victim, but I'd check out what he was up to, because I'd know for sure it certainly wasn't yardwork.

[agatha]

Dec 5, 2013 2:13:27 GMT lepke said:

I think that the fantasies were the beginning for EAR/ONS, the attacks the middle, and the memories the end.

Well said!