ANYONE KNOW- SOCIAL SECURITY DISABILITY RECORDS CHECKED?
Jun 14, 2017 14:43:04 GMT
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Post by oldguy on Jun 14, 2017 14:43:04 GMT
I pasted this from my "hello thread-so it it might be viewed by someone familiar with the past investigations:
Questions? Do you know if any PD ever asked SSA to winnow out the SSI/SSD benes with mental health DIGs (diagnostic codes) who relocated from Visalia to Sacramento area in late 1975-76? (A timely c/o/a was crucial in those days because everyone had paper checks.) It should be easy for the agency to do, Some Data was purged from Social Security (T2) MBRs (Master Beneficiary Records on Retirement, Survivors' , Disability) after I think 15 years of inactivity but the MBR is still there. For all we know, he could still be in current pay. Even if over 66 and converted to retirement his medical diagnostic codes remain. The SSI records (T16) remain forever. Practically in toto.
It would not be a large universe of people. Winnow then down by age. Police could run them against known POIs and suspects. And SSA has quarterly payroll reports through at least 1967. (Online from1978-later.) Every employer, the address etc. If you found a guy with one or two quarters of military wages and a little security work.he is probably your guy. Look at him even if he never was a suspect. Police wages? No Even today many PDs do not pay into Social Security.
Before you say "they must have done it.." Remember...The police are the ones who told that neighbor to throw away that whole bag of EAR implements he found!
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Text below I added today.
The agency does the searches by parameters specified.. so you do not need an SSN. You discover it via the search parameters.. Frankly there would be so few men of age range 18-35 it might be worth it to review all of them in applicable areas, w/o the c/o/a described above. But anyone with an address change described above is highly suspect. Then go to SSI bones without the c/o/a but with SSI "public facility" suspensions. Then go to benes w/o the c/o/a described but with later prisoner suspensions on their records. (Prisoner suspension law did not exist in 1976.)
It would be a fertile field for the FBI.
Why is it likely a good source-especially for that time frame? Because in April 1974 by federal law all state disability welfare beneficiaries were converted to the new federal SSI program. It was chaos. And they remained on SSI pretty much w/o review for several years. Finally they were able to schedule CDRs (Continuing Disability reviews) in the mid-late 1970's. Even if he chose not to cooperate with the medical review and was terminated..the SSI records all exist and are online. (SSI is and has always been done totally from local offices-so everything is available.) So if he changed his address they built a new record. and both are available. Suppose a Medical CDR was done? Believe it to not a lot of those old paper files still exist.
Suppose he did not cooperate and was terminated?
Any later action could be pulled up using the SSN discovered when they did the search described above.
Query the SSN in T2 and you find he is on retirement in such and so place.
In my years with SSA I was always amazed at how little understanding law enforcement had of the data base and what you could do. I mean law enforcement at all levels..even our own OIG special agents.Even the few FBI guys I interfaced with had no understanding of what the agency had. A common comment "..you can do that?" in a tone of amazement. THAT IS WHY I QUESTION IF IT WAS EVER DONE.
SSA would need a request from an LE agency of proper jurisdiction-investigating a violent felony.
Questions? Do you know if any PD ever asked SSA to winnow out the SSI/SSD benes with mental health DIGs (diagnostic codes) who relocated from Visalia to Sacramento area in late 1975-76? (A timely c/o/a was crucial in those days because everyone had paper checks.) It should be easy for the agency to do, Some Data was purged from Social Security (T2) MBRs (Master Beneficiary Records on Retirement, Survivors' , Disability) after I think 15 years of inactivity but the MBR is still there. For all we know, he could still be in current pay. Even if over 66 and converted to retirement his medical diagnostic codes remain. The SSI records (T16) remain forever. Practically in toto.
It would not be a large universe of people. Winnow then down by age. Police could run them against known POIs and suspects. And SSA has quarterly payroll reports through at least 1967. (Online from1978-later.) Every employer, the address etc. If you found a guy with one or two quarters of military wages and a little security work.he is probably your guy. Look at him even if he never was a suspect. Police wages? No Even today many PDs do not pay into Social Security.
Before you say "they must have done it.." Remember...The police are the ones who told that neighbor to throw away that whole bag of EAR implements he found!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Text below I added today.
The agency does the searches by parameters specified.. so you do not need an SSN. You discover it via the search parameters.. Frankly there would be so few men of age range 18-35 it might be worth it to review all of them in applicable areas, w/o the c/o/a described above. But anyone with an address change described above is highly suspect. Then go to SSI bones without the c/o/a but with SSI "public facility" suspensions. Then go to benes w/o the c/o/a described but with later prisoner suspensions on their records. (Prisoner suspension law did not exist in 1976.)
It would be a fertile field for the FBI.
Why is it likely a good source-especially for that time frame? Because in April 1974 by federal law all state disability welfare beneficiaries were converted to the new federal SSI program. It was chaos. And they remained on SSI pretty much w/o review for several years. Finally they were able to schedule CDRs (Continuing Disability reviews) in the mid-late 1970's. Even if he chose not to cooperate with the medical review and was terminated..the SSI records all exist and are online. (SSI is and has always been done totally from local offices-so everything is available.) So if he changed his address they built a new record. and both are available. Suppose a Medical CDR was done? Believe it to not a lot of those old paper files still exist.
Suppose he did not cooperate and was terminated?
Any later action could be pulled up using the SSN discovered when they did the search described above.
Query the SSN in T2 and you find he is on retirement in such and so place.
In my years with SSA I was always amazed at how little understanding law enforcement had of the data base and what you could do. I mean law enforcement at all levels..even our own OIG special agents.Even the few FBI guys I interfaced with had no understanding of what the agency had. A common comment "..you can do that?" in a tone of amazement. THAT IS WHY I QUESTION IF IT WAS EVER DONE.
SSA would need a request from an LE agency of proper jurisdiction-investigating a violent felony.