Attack #13

[Justflint]

Sept 3, 2017 20:37:31 GMT trabuco said:

Sept 3, 2017 7:18:35 GMT nick said:

There were so many potential witness sightings before the actual attack and the neighbor even seeing EAR as he fled from the victim's home between 0730 and 0800Hrs. They all shared the offender appeared to be in early 20's. But the one that got my attention the most was the couple who a few weeks before the attack saw 3 Sheriff Patrol vehicles turning from Heathcliff onto Northbound Crestview as they pulled a way they saw a 5'9 tall dressed in all black with a ski mask person step out from the bushes in the middle of a front yard on the northeast corner of Heathcliff and Crestview he ignored the couple who had just been walking around the neighborhood and stood in the open with his hands on hips and watched the patrol cars depart. Did they call Sheriff? Of course not. What the hell??? There is much more information that was gleaned on the neighborhood canvas in addition to this little gem.  This was weeks before the attack and another indication of how much prowling and surveilling EAR did also it demonstrates how EAR performed nighttime operations as we know but attack #13 was also an attack where EAR had entered the victim's home pre-attack (Daytime operation) and she had reported it to the sheriff who took a report. On the day of the assault, no fewer than four different neighbors reported seeing a man leaving the area of the victim's home without a mask!! Without a mask!!!  Just so it's clear without a mask!. Where are the offender drawings? Why is there nothing? This was in daylight that these sightings took place.

This one is also where EAR was reported to have climbed fence into the cement lined ditch behind the housing area. It was a reason I believe he was there it felt like Rancho to him with his safety zone of the ditch to flee from.

The EAR always had an air of confidence about him anytime a victim picked up a telephone. Not because he knew the line had been cut because it had not in the few instances I am referring to. I'm talking about the victims who were using a working telephone and whomever they called just never answered. IMO the EAR knew no one would answer but I don't know how he knew. The EAR was too comfortable in his victim's homes. Not the least bit worried that the police could show up at any minute. Why did the majority of criminals worry and plan to get in and get out? The EAR was the opposite. He would settle in, relax, eat, watch tv, rummage around, stand in the back yard and drink beer. But not worried. Why?

Which attacks were the uncut cord phone calls placed in?
 

[shard]

Sept 3, 2017 20:37:31 GMT trabuco said:

Sept 3, 2017 7:18:35 GMT nick said:

There were so many potential witness sightings before the actual attack and the neighbor even seeing EAR as he fled from the victim's home between 0730 and 0800Hrs. They all shared the offender appeared to be in early 20's. But the one that got my attention the most was the couple who a few weeks before the attack saw 3 Sheriff Patrol vehicles turning from Heathcliff onto Northbound Crestview as they pulled a way they saw a 5'9 tall dressed in all black with a ski mask person step out from the bushes in the middle of a front yard on the northeast corner of Heathcliff and Crestview he ignored the couple who had just been walking around the neighborhood and stood in the open with his hands on hips and watched the patrol cars depart. Did they call Sheriff? Of course not. What the hell??? There is much more information that was gleaned on the neighborhood canvas in addition to this little gem.  This was weeks before the attack and another indication of how much prowling and surveilling EAR did also it demonstrates how EAR performed nighttime operations as we know but attack #13 was also an attack where EAR had entered the victim's home pre-attack (Daytime operation) and she had reported it to the sheriff who took a report. On the day of the assault, no fewer than four different neighbors reported seeing a man leaving the area of the victim's home without a mask!! Without a mask!!!  Just so it's clear without a mask!. Where are the offender drawings? Why is there nothing? This was in daylight that these sightings took place.

This one is also where EAR was reported to have climbed fence into the cement lined ditch behind the housing area. It was a reason I believe he was there it felt like Rancho to him with his safety zone of the ditch to flee from.

The EAR always had an air of confidence about him anytime a victim picked up a telephone. Not because he knew the line had been cut because it had not in the few instances I am referring to. I'm talking about the victims who were using a working telephone and whomever they called just never answered. IMO the EAR knew no one would answer but I don't know how he knew. The EAR was too comfortable in his victim's homes. Not the least bit worried that the police could show up at any minute. Why did the majority of criminals worry and plan to get in and get out? The EAR was the opposite. He would settle in, relax, eat, watch tv, rummage around, stand in the back yard and drink beer. But not worried. Why? 

The 2/11/77 drawing was dead on and should have been circulated.  I agree with you (Nick), why was it not?

[trabuco]

Sept 6, 2017 23:08:42 GMT Justflint said:

Sept 3, 2017 20:37:31 GMT trabuco said:

The EAR always had an air of confidence about him anytime a victim picked up a telephone. Not because he knew the line had been cut because it had not in the few instances I am referring to. I'm talking about the victims who were using a working telephone and whomever they called just never answered. IMO the EAR knew no one would answer but I don't know how he knew. The EAR was too comfortable in his victim's homes. Not the least bit worried that the police could show up at any minute. Why did the majority of criminals worry and plan to get in and get out? The EAR was the opposite. He would settle in, relax, eat, watch tv, rummage around, stand in the back yard and drink beer. But not worried. Why?

Which attacks were the uncut cord phone calls placed in?
 

Attack #3 for sure. Another is one of the early attacks. Without going back and reading for it I can't be certain and for that I do apologize.

[nick]

The hiding in near plain sight is a good example of how EAR was able to avoid detection from arriving LE vehicles. A speeding police car makes a very distinctive sound as they approach a scene and they can be heard from quite a distance. EAR was a master (many offenders have used this technique) at using trees and surrounding foliage to hide and at times simply standing still in the dark will keep him from being discovered.

[kg]

Sept 4, 2017 6:39:10 GMT nick said:

This particular attack has me rethinking (again) the possibility EAR had an accomplish (male). I am working on a profile for this attack and will post it when I am done tomorrow.

It makes a lot of sense here that an accomplice was present. If you review Winter’s chapter on this assault you will recall this is one of several where a witness saw two suspicious men that set her dog off. Two men in their twenties who ran when they realized they had been spotted, on the day of the assault no less on a nearby street. Of course that is normal behavior for twenty something year old men at 6:15 a.m. to prowl neighborhoods and skedaddle when spotted right? In addition a man in a white van visible from the assault location who reported he was stargazing at 8:30 in the morning. Interviewed three times but not involved in the assault! Come on now really? Not involved in any way, oh please! What time is sunrise in Carmichael on February 7th?

We need a solution here that explains all of the data points. It is June 23, 2020 and we are still lacking it.

[walter]

Jun 24, 2020 3:33:30 GMT kg said:

Sept 4, 2017 6:39:10 GMT nick said:

This particular attack has me rethinking (again) the possibility EAR had an accomplish (male). I am working on a profile for this attack and will post it when I am done tomorrow.

It makes a lot of sense here that an accomplice was present. If you review Winter’s chapter on this assault you will recall this is one of several where a witness saw two suspicious men that set her dog off. Two men in their twenties who ran when they realized they had been spotted, on the day of the assault no less on a nearby street. Of course that is normal behavior for twenty something year old men at 6:15 a.m. to prowl neighborhoods and skedaddle when spotted right? In addition a man in a white van visible from the assault location who reported he was stargazing at 8:30 in the morning. Interviewed three times but not involved in the assault! Come on now really? Not involved in any way, oh please! What time is sunrise in Carmichael on February 7th?

We need a solution here that explains all of the data points. It is June 23, 2020 and we are still lacking it.

There wasn't any accomplice.  People see people all the time and do weird things because, as people, we are weird and have strange behaviors.  It's more insane to tie two people running in another direction when they were seen to sexual assaults and murders.  More likely the person watching misinterpreted what they saw or ran because of any number of reasons that had NOTHING to do with a sexual assault.

99.9999% of people will think of something weird that happened to them in their day at a given time if you specifically prime them to think of something weird.

JJD left his damn footprints everywhere and there was NEVER a second set.  It was JJD and JJD alone for the assaults he's accused of.

[Brad]

Attack #13 is an outlier in many ways. There are a few "head scratcher" things in the accounts of this incident, which incidentally is one of the poorest documented of the 50 canonical attacks.

There are a few east Sacramento attacks in the list which make me question it was actually EAR, #13 being among them. That poor mother and especially that little girl, though. No matter who did this to them, it was hideous.

Edit: I don't see anything here in the actual documentation of the attack that suggests two offenders were involved. Just that this particular attack is poorly documented and there are some small things that make me wonder if it was not possibly a different attacker than EAR. The location (near Cherrelyn, not far from Woodson), however, does strongly imply EAR.

[kg]

I agree Brad. There were at least two other attacks where two or three suspicious men were seen together not to mention victims who believed he was talking to someone in the garage or elsewhere. We can sweep it under the rug or claim it was a ruse but the most likely explanation is that there were others afoot here, what the exact relationship was we can only guess on as well.

[walter]

Literally there was only one case with any evidence even suggesting someone else and that was explained finally by the victim.

There was no relationship between JJD and another person because there wasn't another person.

[dwane1958]

Walter you seem so adamant about no one else offending, as if you have some divine relevation. By the way, the other offender has the same shoe size as JJD.

[walter]

Jun 24, 2020 22:40:12 GMT dwane1958 said:

Walter you seem so adamant about no one else offending, as if you have some divine relevation. By the way, the other offender has the same shoe size as JJD.

There was one set of foot prints from one pair of shoes.  Not two.  Nothing at all supports two people.

It's possible he had someone for some of the early VR thefts but I sort of doubt that as well.

Just basing this all on actual facts.  You may hate them but facts and logic are really the only things to go on and none of them have pointed to a second person.

[faser41]

Hmmmm. I’m gonna hafta stick to just one offender, just saying.

[jckbqwk]

Jun 24, 2020 22:40:12 GMT dwane1958 said:

Walter you seem so adamant about no one else offending, as if you have some divine relevation. By the way, the other offender has the same shoe size as JJD.

I am just so tired of the second offender crap. It ends up in every thread one way or the other. Now it’s same shoe size? My gawd what is the point?

[walter]

Jun 26, 2020 12:55:01 GMT jckbqwk said:

Jun 24, 2020 22:40:12 GMT dwane1958 said:

Walter you seem so adamant about no one else offending, as if you have some divine relevation. By the way, the other offender has the same shoe size as JJD.

I am just so tired of the second offender crap. It ends up in every thread one way or the other. Now it’s same shoe size? My gawd what is the point?

Same shoe size AND apparently the exact same shoe too ALWAYS.  Because there were no imprints of a second type/size of shoe.

[sammyt]

Jun 26, 2020 12:23:11 GMT walter said:

Jun 24, 2020 22:40:12 GMT dwane1958 said:

Walter you seem so adamant about no one else offending, as if you have some divine relevation. By the way, the other offender has the same shoe size as JJD.

There was one set of foot prints from one pair of shoes.  Not two.  Nothing at all supports two people.

It's possible he had someone for some of the early VR thefts but I sort of doubt that as well.

Just basing this all on actual facts.  You may hate them but facts and logic are really the only things to go on and none of them have pointed to a second person.

So nothing supports two people, yet it's possible he had an accomplice as the VR...

Where is the logic behind saying that?